On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:33:46 -0600, Richard wrote:

Linux can catalog and move files around in the windoze part, but I
have no idea what result you'll get.

It just mounts that partition like any other file system, lets you
manipulate files or other data any way you want to.

I was trying to remember that the other night. Thanks

- -
Rex Burkheimer
Fort Worth TX

Richard wrote:
for too much "baggage" try StartRun. type "msconfig". Doesn't work
with all windoze, but for XP you get a window that lets you turn off
the excess.

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Hasn't AVG been catching all of them for you?

Nope, I don't leave AVG running in the background. The only time I use
antiviral software is to check a specific file that I have downloaded from
the net, and then I shut it off.

I do leave a firewall (ZA) running, though.

Jon

"Larry Jaques" wrote:

Thanks, Jon.
http://www.wunderground.com isn't bad, either. I'm surprised at how
good Yahoo Weather is, with the feeds and maps from Weather.com.
I'll probably stick with it.

Wow, I like that site; Thanks; it has all of the information I like on one
page, right up front. I used to like weather.com, but they dumbed it down
so much with empty space and ads that I don't go there anymore.

Jon

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:48:38 -0600, Rex B
wrote:

,;Dave Hinz wrote:
,;Linux would be the ideal answer, but the last time I tried to set up
,;internet access, I botched it completely, that's for when I have a
,;separate box I can use for Linux again. When it's up and running,
,;move this one, better yet, put Linux in this one and trash XP. I have
,;another box with win(lose)2k that I reserve for those backward
,;developers that only scribble for windoze.
,;
,;
,; Try one of the "Live CD" linux distributions. Ubuntu has a great one.
,; Stick the CD in your drive, reboot the system, you're in a linux system
,; running off the CD. You can see the state of the OS, without doing a
,; thing to your Windows installation. Take out the CD, reboot again, and
,; you're back to your untouched Windows installation.
,;
,;
,;That's pretty cool.
,;Is that something you buy at a retail software counter, or online?

Ubuntu is not only free but you can order the CD and get free
shipping. If that is not enough you can order more than one copy for
the same "price". I ordered several and gave them to interested
friends.

If you are reluctant to get into Linux google for "reatogo"
(www.reatogo.de). There is a bit of a learning curve to make the
bootable CD but you can run XP off the CD just like you run Linux with
Ubuntu. You now have a familiar OS and can work on the system files on
your computer which ordinarily would be unavailable because they were
in use. It is slowly as you might expect as it runs from a CD but it
does run

Nice way to by-pass passwords and delete "un-deleteable" files. As
soon as you shutdown this XP evaporates.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:09:30 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

,;On 5 Dec 2005 22:15:36 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
,;
,;On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:13:02 -0600, Richard wrote:
,; On 5 Dec 2005 21:15:11 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
,;
,;Yes. The former is easier to use. When I'm cleaning systems for
,;people, I use both, and a few extras.
,;
,; Had both of thiem installed for years now. Spybot generally stops
,; most things, AdAware cleans out the tracking cookied quite nicely,
,; plus the little MRU things that windoze puts in your machine.
,;
,;Yup.
,;
,; Linux would be the ideal answer, but the last time I tried to set up
,; internet access, I botched it completely, that's for when I have a
,; separate box I can use for Linux again. When it's up and running,
,; move this one, better yet, put Linux in this one and trash XP. I have
,; another box with win(lose)2k that I reserve for those backward
,; developers that only scribble for windoze.
,;
,;Try one of the "Live CD" linux distributions. Ubuntu has a great one.
,;Stick the CD in your drive, reboot the system, you're in a linux system
,;running off the CD. You can see the state of the OS, without doing a
,;thing to your Windows installation. Take out the CD, reboot again, and
,;you're back to your untouched Windows installation.
,;
,;
,;www.knoppix.org
,;
,;Its quite good.
,;
,;www.mepis.org is very good. Ive got an early distro installed on a
,;spare box and am using it as a server. Ive modified the box serveral
,;times, and am having an issue with the browsers understanding Im
,;actually on line.
,;
,;The modem will dial, log in and just sit there. When I installed a
,;proxy server on my personal machine..and set up the proxy values..it
,;goes on line very well. Just not via the modem (s)
,;
,;Ill do a full reinstall maybe tonight or next weekend and see if there
,;is an improvement.
,;
,;Ubunto is supposed to be very very good..but you have to install it on
,;a seperate machine..as it installes itself completly..including
,;formating your drives, as I understand it. I may be wrong with the
,;latest distro.
If you meant Ubuntu you are wrong. It runs from the CD without
installing.
,;
,;Gunner
,;
,;"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
,;Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
,;off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
,;them self determination under "play nice" rules.
,;
,;Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
,;for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:56:21 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon
Danniken" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Hasn't AVG been catching all of them for you?

Nope, I don't leave AVG running in the background. The only time I use
antiviral software is to check a specific file that I have downloaded from
the net, and then I shut it off.

I do leave a firewall (ZA) running, though.

That helps a bit, but what about downloads embedded in News posts?


--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

Never had gone to weather.com - I rely on Unisys and wunderground.

http://www.wunderground.com is a good site -
but one of my all time and very old sites - when it was their hobby to do it -

http://weather.unisys.com/index.html


Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Tove
Momerathsson quickly quoth:


Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.


I have had no problems with either site using Mozilla 1.0 through
1.0.7, Tove.

Weather.com has been hosed for months, though, giving me "too many
redirect" errors in all browsers since around September. I'm going
through Yahoo now.


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"Dave Hinz" wrote:
Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from
'96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet
for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

When's the last time you did a spyware scan, Jon?

A month or two ago, using both Spybot and AdAware. All it ever finds are
tracking cookies, which I really don't have a problem with

Jon

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE
I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not,
nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over
the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Hasn't AVG been catching all of them for you?

Nope, I don't leave AVG running in the background. The only time I use
antiviral software is to check a specific file that I have downloaded
from
the net, and then I shut it off.

I do leave a firewall (ZA) running, though.

That helps a bit, but what about downloads embedded in News posts?

Well, for one thing my news server (news.individual.net) is a text only
affair, but even still, just downloading something isn't the problem.
Running executables from an unknown source is what causes infections. For
another thing, I set OE with high security, since I only use it for text
anyway (or maybe images sometimes).

Jon.

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:03:48 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE


Well, for one thing my news server (news.individual.net) is a text only
affair, but even still, just downloading something isn't the problem.
Running executables from an unknown source is what causes infections. For
another thing, I set OE with high security, since I only use it for text
anyway (or maybe images sometimes).

Jon.

Hmmm. I seem to remember that the KAK worm was transmitted through
Email, also it's written in HTML, which OE happily accepts without
question, and launches when you open that email. Doesn't even ask you
about it. But, if you're happy with Ie and OE, have at them. I like
being able to say what my box does and doesn't do.

But then, with email, I've settled on what I call a "reverse
killfile", if your name isn't on the list, into the bit bucket and
I'll never know it was sent. The Yahoo addy that came with SBC global
probably has a bunch of spam in it, but I never open it anyhow, don't
care what's there.

Rich

"Richard" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" wrote:

Well, for one thing my news server (news.individual.net) is a text only
affair, but even still, just downloading something isn't the problem.
Running executables from an unknown source is what causes infections.
For
another thing, I set OE with high security, since I only use it for text
anyway (or maybe images sometimes).


Hmmm. I seem to remember that the KAK worm was transmitted through
Email, also it's written in HTML, which OE happily accepts without
question, and launches when you open that email. Doesn't even ask you
about it. But, if you're happy with Ie and OE, have at them. I like
being able to say what my box does and doesn't do.

I set up OE to read as "text only", which is how it should be anyway. In
any case, one "I seem to remember" cite doesn't exactly substantiate your
previous claim of "magnets for virii of all kinds" now does it?

Anyway, use whatever you want. I use IE and OE and have never had an
infection.

Jon

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:56:27 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
Richard quickly quoth:

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:03:48 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE


Well, for one thing my news server (news.individual.net) is a text only
affair, but even still, just downloading something isn't the problem.
Running executables from an unknown source is what causes infections. For
another thing, I set OE with high security, since I only use it for text
anyway (or maybe images sometimes).

Jon.

Hmmm. I seem to remember that the KAK worm was transmitted through
Email, also it's written in HTML, which OE happily accepts without
question, and launches when you open that email. Doesn't even ask you
about it. But, if you're happy with Ie and OE, have at them. I like
being able to say what my box does and doesn't do.

I don't like IE but have to use it for several sites, such as my
banks. FIDIOTS, they. And I couldn't use my older copy of Eudora
when I moved up here and started using Starband. It wouldn't work
and the techies there said it couldn't work, so I fell back to OE.
I immediately turned off the preview function which automatically
opened every single email.


But then, with email, I've settled on what I call a "reverse
killfile", if your name isn't on the list, into the bit bucket and
I'll never know it was sent. The Yahoo addy that came with SBC global
probably has a bunch of spam in it, but I never open it anyhow, don't
care what's there.

I do business online and have to accept email from strangers far too
often. But turning off the preview function in OE worked. Now if there
is any question as to the validity of the email, I view it as text
first. NAV is there to back me up if I accidentally open one, as
happens if I don't look through the new email list before opening
mail. If I delete the viewed message, it automatically opens the next
one in the queue. Thankfully, the anti-virus program catches those few
slipups immediately.

I've had a love/hate relationship with NAV since the day I installed
it. There was a virus on my computer which went into effect the second
NAV was installed, forcing me to get onto another computer to download
the fix. I lost all use of my computer for 3 days whenthat happened.

And I used to suggest McAfee for clients back in the days of BBSes.
Then I had a client with a problem and couldn't get a response from
them for a week and told them I'd never put their program on another
computer.

So, what else is out there that people trust for killing virii?


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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:48:57 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Martin H. Eastburn" quickly quoth:

Never had gone to weather.com - I rely on Unisys and wunderground.

http://www.wunderground.com is a good site -
but one of my all time and very old sites - when it was their hobby to do it -

http://weather.unisys.com/index.html

Great, now I have 6 copies of Mozilla running concurrently. g
Hey, interesting page. I'll have to bookmark it.

Ooh, there's a big storm just offshore just below me. Mt. Shasta
and Mt. Siskiyou are gonna get hammered. To see my closest mountains
via the OR webcams via www.TripCheck.com :
http://167.131.0.179/Pages/CCview.asp?CCPageName=Jake's%20Page%202005
I really love seeing live video feeds of the passes I need to go
through to get where I'm going during a long trip.

Also see http://accuweather.com for another good site. Yahoo has both
their video and data feeds and weather.com's. I just found a link to
see weather in Canadian cities and chose Vancouver. The weather gal
happily stated that current temps were above zero at 4, and the
weekend looked good at 10 degrees! Um, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
They want too much for premium (ad-free) weather, though. $80/yr.


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On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:46:55 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:


I set up OE to read as "text only", which is how it should be anyway. In
any case, one "I seem to remember" cite doesn't exactly substantiate your
previous claim of "magnets for virii of all kinds" now does it?

Apparently sarcasm is a bit over your head. KAK, or Kagau Anti
Krosoft was a relatively benign virus, it popped up a window, witn a
short and stupid message. If you clicked on any part of that window,
the computer shut down. But, like 99.999% of all virus, it was
targeted to use weaknesses in MS software. That's also when I decided
that enabling auto protect in Nortons was a good idea.

Anyway, use whatever you want. I use IE and OE and have never had an
infection.

MY guess is that your ISP has better protection in their system than
you have in yours. Before I installed Firefox I had installed:

Popup blockers
Cookiewall
Naviscope
Zeroclick

All of which allow that which M$ doesn't, meaning blocking those
things that have no right to exist.

I don't need them now.

Rich

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:00:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:



I don't like IE but have to use it for several sites, such as my
banks. FIDIOTS, they. And I couldn't use my older copy of Eudora
when I moved up here and started using Starband. It wouldn't work
and the techies there said it couldn't work, so I fell back to OE.
I immediately turned off the preview function which automatically
opened every single email.

Give Thunderbird a try. Works for me. OE specific sites, I just
decide they don't want me to see what they're offering. I also don't
do my banking by internet, there are no numbers in this machine for
anyone to steal.


But then, with email, I've settled on what I call a "reverse
killfile",

I do business online and have to accept email from strangers far too
often.

My method might be a problem there.

I've had a love/hate relationship with NAV since the day I installed
it.

Necessary evil. Slows things down, but not as much as even a benign
virus. A rock and a hard place.

Rich

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:55:53 -0600, Unknown wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:09:30 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

,;Ubunto is supposed to be very very good..but you have to install it on
,;a seperate machine..as it installes itself completly..including
,;formating your drives, as I understand it. I may be wrong with the
,;latest distro.

If you meant Ubuntu you are wrong. It runs from the CD without
installing.

You're both right. The Ubuntu "Live CD" runs off the CD without
touching the system. The standard distribution installs as normal, on
the hard drive. Same functionality, but the liveCD is great for testing
systems to make sure they'll work with the real install.

"Richard" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote:

I set up OE to read as "text only", which is how it should be anyway. In
any case, one "I seem to remember" cite doesn't exactly substantiate your
previous claim of "magnets for virii of all kinds" now does it?

Apparently sarcasm is a bit over your head. KAK, or Kagau Anti
Krosoft was a relatively benign virus, it popped up a window, witn a
short and stupid message. If you clicked on any part of that window,
the computer shut down. But, like 99.999% of all virus, it was
targeted to use weaknesses in MS software. That's also when I decided
that enabling auto protect in Nortons was a good idea.

So basically, when you get called on a bull**** statement that you made, you
just call it sarcasm after the fact, eh?

*plonk*

Jon

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:42:21 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:


So basically, when you get called on a bull**** statement that you made, you
just call it sarcasm after the fact, eh?

*plonk*

OH, Goodie! Jon can get a global Plonk! and it won't even bother me
at all now. Anyone dumb enough to use IE and OE without an active
antivirus, I don't want to see or open anything that comes out of that
machine. Bye-Bye, jon. (MIssed cap deliberate.)

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
Try one of the "Live CD" linux distributions. Ubuntu has a great one.
Stick the CD in your drive, reboot the system, you're in a linux system
running off the CD. You can see the state of the OS, without doing a
thing to your Windows installation. Take out the CD, reboot again, and
you're back to your untouched Windows installation.

I have tried downloading and booting a linux iso CD file but my computer
seems to ignore it (I can boot however from the CD with a Windows boot
disk). My computer is about 10 years old and I wonder if the bios does not
recognize iso extensions (or some such). Would anyone know what the problem
might be??

I'd like to try the Ubuntu linux but don't really want to do a three hour or
so download unless the file is going to work.

Laurie Forbes

Larry Jaques wrote:

So, what else is out there that people trust for killing virii?

On my Winders machines I use AVG free personal edition (plus spybot
and adaware personal).

On my linux machines, nothing. They are as naked as a newborn.
See, virus stuff written for Winders won't run on linux.


technomaNge
--

"Subject: human YOUR D!CK IS TOO SMALL, BIGGER IT NOW purpose"
Funny spam subject line. I wonder if they also send spam to
non-human addresses.

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recent/index.html
and perhaps more important - locally -
http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/



Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:48:57 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Martin H. Eastburn" quickly quoth:


Never had gone to weather.com - I rely on Unisys and wunderground.

http://www.wunderground.com is a good site -
but one of my all time and very old sites - when it was their hobby to do it -

http://weather.unisys.com/index.html


Great, now I have 6 copies of Mozilla running concurrently. g
Hey, interesting page. I'll have to bookmark it.

Ooh, there's a big storm just offshore just below me. Mt. Shasta
and Mt. Siskiyou are gonna get hammered. To see my closest mountains
via the OR webcams via www.TripCheck.com :
http://167.131.0.179/Pages/CCview.asp?CCPageName=Jake's%20Page%202005
I really love seeing live video feeds of the passes I need to go
through to get where I'm going during a long trip.

Also see http://accuweather.com for another good site. Yahoo has both
their video and data feeds and weather.com's. I just found a link to
see weather in Canadian cities and chose Vancouver. The weather gal
happily stated that current temps were above zero at 4, and the
weekend looked good at 10 degrees! Um, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
They want too much for premium (ad-free) weather, though. $80/yr.


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The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
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Did you use the burn ISO image option in your CD writing software. If
you just burned the .ISO file onto the CD that won't work.

Laurie Forbes wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Try one of the "Live CD" linux distributions. Ubuntu has a great one.
Stick the CD in your drive, reboot the system, you're in a linux system
running off the CD. You can see the state of the OS, without doing a
thing to your Windows installation. Take out the CD, reboot again, and
you're back to your untouched Windows installation.


I have tried downloading and booting a linux iso CD file but my computer
seems to ignore it (I can boot however from the CD with a Windows boot
disk). My computer is about 10 years old and I wonder if the bios does not
recognize iso extensions (or some such). Would anyone know what the problem
might be??

I'd like to try the Ubuntu linux but don't really want to do a three hour or
so download unless the file is going to work.

Laurie Forbes

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:49:31 +0000, David Billington
wrote:

,;Did you use the burn ISO image option in your CD writing software. If
,;you just burned the .ISO file onto the CD that won't work.
,;
,;Laurie Forbes wrote:
,;
,;"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
,;
,;Try one of the "Live CD" linux distributions. Ubuntu has a great one.
,;Stick the CD in your drive, reboot the system, you're in a linux system
,;running off the CD. You can see the state of the OS, without doing a
,;thing to your Windows installation. Take out the CD, reboot again, and
,;you're back to your untouched Windows installation.
,;
,;
,;I have tried downloading and booting a linux iso CD file but my computer
,;seems to ignore it (I can boot however from the CD with a Windows boot
,;disk). My computer is about 10 years old and I wonder if the bios does not
,;recognize iso extensions (or some such). Would anyone know what the problem
,;might be??
,;
,;I'd like to try the Ubuntu linux but don't really want to do a three hour or
,;so download unless the file is going to work.

You can get a CD free from the following URL...
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/

There are several hoops to jump through as you need to register. I
have done so and have not had a problem with unwanted email or junk
mail. I did receive the 5 CDs I ordered.

If you download an iso file you can not just burn it to a CD.

If you are using EZ CD creator

1.select "Create CD" from File menu.
2. find the iso file on your HD
3. Click on the "Files of type" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
Files (*ISO).
4. Select the ISO image file
5. Make sure that the "Write method" is set to Disc-At-Onnce" and
Close CD.
6. Click OK twice.

OR
1. Double click the ISO file on your HD. This should open CD Creator
2. Three options are available...Test, Test & Create CD, or Crate CD.
Either of the last two are OK.
3. Be sure the Write Method is set to Disc-At-Onnce" and Close CD.
4. Click OK

If you have Nero or some other burning software the directions will be
different but will have a procedure that doesn't just copy the ISO
file to a CD.

The easiest (but slowest) way is to order the free CDs.

Now your BIOS must be able to "Boot from CD" and must be set to use
that option.

The "reatogo" XP CD also takes you through burning an ISO image file.
This will give you XP running from a CD.

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:20:05 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
technomaNge quickly quoth:

Larry Jaques wrote:

So, what else is out there that people trust for killing virii?

On my Winders machines I use AVG free personal edition (plus spybot
and adaware personal).

On my linux machines, nothing. They are as naked as a newborn.
See, virus stuff written for Winders won't run on linux.

You trusting fool, you! They might not be as prevalent now...

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=linux+virus
1 - 100 of about 34,000,000 for linux virus. (0.32 seconds)

Me? I'd rather have protection and not need it.


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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:03:15 GMT, Laurie Forbes wrote:

I have tried downloading and booting a linux iso CD file but my computer
seems to ignore it (I can boot however from the CD with a Windows boot
disk). My computer is about 10 years old and I wonder if the bios does not
recognize iso extensions (or some such). Would anyone know what the problem
might be??

Yup, you just need to burn that .iso file to a CD-R. Your CD burning
software _should_ recognize it, just double click on the .iso and nero
or whatever you use will say "Ah, you want to make a CD from this,
right?" or something to that effect.

I'd like to try the Ubuntu linux but don't really want to do a three hour or
so download unless the file is going to work.

It'll work if your burning software understands (or can be made to
understand) what to do with an iso, no worries.

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:20:05 -0600, technomaNge wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:

So, what else is out there that people trust for killing virii?

On my Winders machines I use AVG free personal edition (plus spybot
and adaware personal).

A good combination, to be sure.

On my linux machines, nothing. They are as naked as a newborn.
See, virus stuff written for Winders won't run on linux.

Ya, a virus with an installation procedure which includes "Then make the
file executable, become root, and run it" won't get very far, all things
considered.

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:10:25 -0800, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:20:05 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
technomaNge quickly quoth:

You trusting fool, you! They might not be as prevalent now...
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=linux+virus
1 - 100 of about 34,000,000 for linux virus. (0.32 seconds)

Come on, Larry, that's crap and you know it.

Me? I'd rather have protection and not need it.

Great. I'll get a scanner to watch for all zero of the real Linux and
Mac OSX viruses, and keep counting all none of them on my systems.
Yes, there's been one or two "theoretical, in the lab only, not in the
wild" experiments.

If you can provide a cite to an actual security site showing I'm wrong,
I'll retract and learn about it, but saying "google has 27 bazillion
hits" for something is insane. You can combine any random words and get
a bunch of hits on google. He yellow monkey fever triangle
174,000 hits. So, by your logic showing Linux viruses are prevalant,
it's also common to encounter the yellow monkey fever triangle.

Dave Hinz

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
Great. I'll get a scanner to watch for all zero of the real Linux and
Mac OSX viruses, and keep counting all none of them on my systems.
Yes, there's been one or two "theoretical, in the lab only, not in the
wild" experiments.

There is ONE wild Linux virus -- Bliss. It is still out there, but
propagates slowly, and dies young because of the natural user-limited
create, read, and write priveleges inherent with 'ix-es of all ken. Unless
a careless user is abusing root privileges (usually on a single-user system)
an infectious binary has little chance of replacing an executable.

There was (maybe still is) one OS-X virus in the wild -- Switchback. It
probably never had more than a hundred live copies going worldwide at one
time. Slow to propagate, and easy to kill, it had virtually zero impact on
Mac users. That was way back in 2003, and no new ones have shown up.

LLoyd

I should have added: We run WinBlows, OS-X, and RedHat, so it's not like
I'm trying to knock any one of them. Despite its lousy security, XP offers
some indispensible features, Mac rages on graphics, and there's nothing like
a basic CLI-driven "ix" to do quicky filter and formatting programming, and
basic server functions.

LLoyd

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:10:49 GMT, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
Great. I'll get a scanner to watch for all zero of the real Linux and
Mac OSX viruses, and keep counting all none of them on my systems.

There is ONE wild Linux virus -- Bliss. It is still out there, but
propagates slowly, and dies young because of the natural user-limited
create, read, and write priveleges inherent with 'ix-es of all ken.

Looks to be limited to elf-style executables, and you have to install
and run it as root.

Unless
a careless user is abusing root privileges (usually on a single-user system)
an infectious binary has little chance of replacing an executable.

There ya go. It's no different than calling this a virus:
1. Become root.
2. type this:
cd /
rm -rf *

There was (maybe still is) one OS-X virus in the wild -- Switchback. It
probably never had more than a hundred live copies going worldwide at one
time. Slow to propagate, and easy to kill, it had virtually zero impact on
Mac users.

I checked the usual sources for info on that, and could only find
"lowendmac.com" and references to that site describing it. CIAC,
F-secure, symantec, sophos...nobody knows about this virus. Do you have
a cite from an actual authority I could read about this at? I suspect
it's just FUD.

Dave Hinz

Wayne Cook wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, Tove Momerathsson
wrote:

Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.


When was the last time you updated Mozilla. I'm currently using
Mozilla Firefox and have no trouble with MSC's web site. I did have
some trouble with my older version of Mozilla.

I checked out Mozilla vs MSC at work and it's just fine.

So the problem is at my end, either how I have Mozilla configured (and yes,
Javascript _is_ enabled) and the firewall and other assorted stuff between
me and them.

Tove

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:03:15 GMT, Laurie Forbes wrote:

I have tried downloading and booting a linux iso CD file but my computer
seems to ignore it (I can boot however from the CD with a Windows boot
disk). My computer is about 10 years old and I wonder if the bios does not
recognize iso extensions (or some such). Would anyone know what the problem
might be??


Yup, you just need to burn that .iso file to a CD-R. Your CD burning
software _should_ recognize it, just double click on the .iso and nero
or whatever you use will say "Ah, you want to make a CD from this,
right?" or something to that effect.


I'd like to try the Ubuntu linux but don't really want to do a three hour or
so download unless the file is going to work.


It'll work if your burning software understands (or can be made to
understand) what to do with an iso, no worries.

One other thing: Make sure to download the iso image file in
binary mode (FTP). By default some browsers download in ASCCI
mode which corrupts the image. HTH John
--
I'm getting old, I can't make up my mind:
When my glass is full, I want it empty.
When my glass is empty, I want it full.

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:48:55 +0000, Gary Wooding
wrote:

Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:

...snip...
According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Jon

Then you are just lucky. Two days ago I was asked to help out a friend
whose computer was misbehaving. It turned out to be a particularly nasty
bit of malware which, because it had destroyed part of the OS (W2K
Prof), I reckoned was best eradicated by a fresh install of W2K. I saved
his user data onto a FAT32 partition, reformatted the C: drive as NTFS,
reinstalled W2K and restored the user data. I installed AVG and
downloaded ZoneAlarm, then ran the AVG scan and it found two Trojan
horses - one was wudpcom.exe. So, even though we hadn't opened any
attachments, a few hours after a totally clean install his system was
infected by two worms - but AVG got rid of them.
As I say, you're just lucky.

Just put him in the killfile, I don't think I want to see anything
that comes out of that machine. He's probably got a whole pandora's
box in there and hasn't figured it out yet.

Rich

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:53:41 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:42:21 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:


So basically, when you get called on a bull**** statement that you made, you
just call it sarcasm after the fact, eh?

*plonk*

OH, Goodie! Jon can get a global Plonk! and it won't even bother me
at all now. Anyone dumb enough to use IE and OE without an active
antivirus, I don't want to see or open anything that comes out of that
machine. Bye-Bye, jon. (MIssed cap deliberate.)

jons only saving grace...which 99% of Outleak Exploder uses DONT
do..is he set his to text only.

Which of course leaves out all the RTF christmas cards and so forth
from Aunt Leona etc etc..with their little bits of html etc.

If you cripple OE well enough..it may be proof against many..not
all...but many viri..then there is the buffer overrun issues that
should be addressed by making sure that all your updates are current
and so forth.

Me..Ill stick with Eudora, and Mailwasher as a prefilter.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:19:59 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:00:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:



I don't like IE but have to use it for several sites, such as my
banks. FIDIOTS, they. And I couldn't use my older copy of Eudora
when I moved up here and started using Starband. It wouldn't work
and the techies there said it couldn't work, so I fell back to OE.
I immediately turned off the preview function which automatically
opened every single email.

Give Thunderbird a try. Works for me. OE specific sites, I just
decide they don't want me to see what they're offering. I also don't
do my banking by internet, there are no numbers in this machine for
anyone to steal.


Thunderbird is VERY similar in operation to OE..but with a better
security system built in. Its clumsy..but not bad. Ive got it
installed as a backup if Eudora takes a ****.

But then, with email, I've settled on what I call a "reverse
killfile",

I do business online and have to accept email from strangers far too
often.

My method might be a problem there.

I've had a love/hate relationship with NAV since the day I installed
it.

Necessary evil. Slows things down, but not as much as even a benign
virus. A rock and a hard place.

Rich

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:55:53 -0600, Unknown
wrote:

,;
,;Ill do a full reinstall maybe tonight or next weekend and see if there
,;is an improvement.
,;
,;Ubunto is supposed to be very very good..but you have to install it on
,;a seperate machine..as it installes itself completly..including
,;formating your drives, as I understand it. I may be wrong with the
,;latest distro.
If you meant Ubuntu you are wrong. It runs from the CD without
installing.

As I thought. I had an early distro that automatically installed to
HD and wasnt sure that it was changed or not. My current copy was from
another person and wont even boot on my machine. Ill need to find
someone with broadband to get another copy of the latest.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:58:55 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
Asch quickly quoth:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:19:59 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:00:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:



I don't like IE but have to use it for several sites, such as my
banks. FIDIOTS, they. And I couldn't use my older copy of Eudora
when I moved up here and started using Starband. It wouldn't work
and the techies there said it couldn't work, so I fell back to OE.
I immediately turned off the preview function which automatically
opened every single email.

Give Thunderbird a try. Works for me. OE specific sites, I just
decide they don't want me to see what they're offering. I also don't
do my banking by internet, there are no numbers in this machine for
anyone to steal.


Thunderbird is VERY similar in operation to OE..but with a better
security system built in. Its clumsy..but not bad. Ive got it
installed as a backup if Eudora takes a ****.

Does it have prefiltering and multiple email capabilities?
I have several dozen filters for clients which move their mail into
their mail folder. I also used different emails with different
companies for tracking and like OE's handling there. When I create
or reply to an email, I can choose the FROM: email.

OE is probably the best program I've ever used by M$, but I still
miss my paid version of Eudora 3. Spam Assassin (on both my host and
own computer) catches about 95% of spam and is a real godsend.
(Would someone please invent a Pepper Spray/220volt keyboard which
catches spammers in the act, sprays 'em, and then takes 'em out?)

I loved NN4's handling of the bookmarks and still hate IE's method.
And I'm growing less and less fond of FF's bookmark system. The old
bookmarks.html file was SOOOOOOOO much easier to massage by hand...


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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:50:37 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:58:55 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
Asch quickly quoth:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:19:59 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:00:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:



I don't like IE but have to use it for several sites, such as my
banks. FIDIOTS, they. And I couldn't use my older copy of Eudora
when I moved up here and started using Starband. It wouldn't work
and the techies there said it couldn't work, so I fell back to OE.
I immediately turned off the preview function which automatically
opened every single email.

Give Thunderbird a try. Works for me. OE specific sites, I just
decide they don't want me to see what they're offering. I also don't
do my banking by internet, there are no numbers in this machine for
anyone to steal.


Thunderbird is VERY similar in operation to OE..but with a better
security system built in. Its clumsy..but not bad. Ive got it
installed as a backup if Eudora takes a ****.

Does it have prefiltering and multiple email capabilities?
I have several dozen filters for clients which move their mail into
their mail folder. I also used different emails with different
companies for tracking and like OE's handling there. When I create
or reply to an email, I can choose the FROM: email.

OE is probably the best program I've ever used by M$, but I still
miss my paid version of Eudora 3. Spam Assassin (on both my host and
own computer) catches about 95% of spam and is a real godsend.
(Would someone please invent a Pepper Spray/220volt keyboard which
catches spammers in the act, sprays 'em, and then takes 'em out?)

I just bought 3.0 at a yard sale. On several floppies. Ill zip em up
for ya.

Try Thunderbird. Its free. You might like it. You can always delete
it if you dont. Its not like Norton stuff that hangs around for
years...

Gunner


I loved NN4's handling of the bookmarks and still hate IE's method.
And I'm growing less and less fond of FF's bookmark system. The old
bookmarks.html file was SOOOOOOOO much easier to massage by hand...


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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:44:15 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
Asch quickly quoth:

Thunderbird is VERY similar in operation to OE..but with a better
security system built in. Its clumsy..but not bad. Ive got it
installed as a backup if Eudora takes a ****.

Does it have prefiltering and multiple email capabilities?
I have several dozen filters for clients which move their mail into
their mail folder. I also used different emails with different
companies for tracking and like OE's handling there. When I create
or reply to an email, I can choose the FROM: email.

OE is probably the best program I've ever used by M$, but I still
miss my paid version of Eudora 3. Spam Assassin (on both my host and
own computer) catches about 95% of spam and is a real godsend.
(Would someone please invent a Pepper Spray/220volt keyboard which
catches spammers in the act, sprays 'em, and then takes 'em out?)

I just bought 3.0 at a yard sale. On several floppies. Ill zip em up
for ya.

I still have it but it doesn't work with Starband; their techies
confirmed that. Just too old, I guess. But I like OE. (Yeah, surprised
the crap out of me, too.)

Try Thunderbird. Its free. You might like it. You can always delete
it if you dont. Its not like Norton stuff that hangs around for
years...

Again, prefiltering and multi-email capable? I guess I should probably
take a look at Agent's email capabilities while I'm at it. I already
use the program. g


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