Couple of days ago I installed Firefox V-1.5 and Thunderbird for
email. I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

One click copies the necessary from IE and OE, no glitches, less than
ten minutes to install both and have them run the first time.

I sometimes find that links don't work, but also know that enabling
javascript would probably clear this up. Adaware not finding anything
after several days of browsing also gives a bit of confidence, haen't
been hijacked yet either. Some sites will have to allow popups,
changing one to allow doesn't change all of them.

Otherwise a great improvement over IE, you can actually find tools
where you would think they'd be instead of having to search 150
functions that you never use.

And it's freeware. I like free.

Rich

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

On 5 Dec 2005 08:45:47 -0800, "Larry Fishel"
wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...
=============
Or the site is trying to load some kind of spyware on your
computer. I have started seeing more and more of the sites where
if you block the spyware the site won't load.

If you aren't running one I suggest a good
firewall/anti-virus./anti-spyware program like zone labs zone
alarm or Iolo system mechanic
see
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/conten...try=US&lang=en
or
iolo
see http://www.iolo.com/
Walmart has the complete iolo system mechanic 6 package on sale.

Both zone labs and iolo provide updated definition files as the
threats change.

A word of caution -- you can't run two firewalls, virus checkers,
spyware/popup blockers *AT THE SAME TIME* If you try this you
will generally lock your computer. Boot under the "safe mode"
and remove one [change the .exe files to .xxx] to get the system
operational].

First time you do a system scan with either one, you will be
amazed on how much "junk" has been placed on your computer.

Uncle George

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:36:39 -0600, F George McDuffee wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 08:45:47 -0800, "Larry Fishel"
wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Or the site is trying to load some kind of spyware on your
computer. I have started seeing more and more of the sites where
if you block the spyware the site won't load.

Simplest explaination has already been given - he's got javascript
turned off.

If you aren't running one I suggest a good
firewall/anti-virus./anti-spyware program like zone labs zone

I prefer the antivirus called "MacOSX", but in the Windows world, AVG
antivirus isn't a bad one. http://www.grisoft.com/

First time you do a system scan with either one, you will be
amazed on how much "junk" has been placed on your computer.

Yup.

On 5 Dec 2005 18:07:38 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:36:39 -0600, F George McDuffee wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 08:45:47 -0800, "Larry Fishel"
wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Or the site is trying to load some kind of spyware on your
computer. I have started seeing more and more of the sites where
if you block the spyware the site won't load.

Simplest explaination has already been given - he's got javascript
turned off.

If you aren't running one I suggest a good
firewall/anti-virus./anti-spyware program like zone labs zone

I prefer the antivirus called "MacOSX", but in the Windows world, AVG
antivirus isn't a bad one. http://www.grisoft.com/

First time you do a system scan with either one, you will be
amazed on how much "junk" has been placed on your computer.

Yup.


For spyware..its hard to beat AdAware and Spybot S&D

Trend Micros PC-Cillian is a great av program.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:39:15 GMT, Gunner Asch wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 18:07:38 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

I prefer the antivirus called "MacOSX", but in the Windows world, AVG
antivirus isn't a bad one. http://www.grisoft.com/

For spyware..its hard to beat AdAware and Spybot S&D

Yes. The former is easier to use. When I'm cleaning systems for
people, I use both, and a few extras.

Gunner Asch wrote:


For spyware..its hard to beat AdAware and Spybot S&D


Ditto!

Although with Firefox you may not need them as much as with IE. With IE
as your only browser they are absolute must have programs.

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.

Tove

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, Tove Momerathsson
wrote:

Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.


When was the last time you updated Mozilla. I'm currently using
Mozilla Firefox and have no trouble with MSC's web site. I did have
some trouble with my older version of Mozilla.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

Wayne Cook wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, Tove Momerathsson
wrote:

Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.


When was the last time you updated Mozilla. I'm currently using
Mozilla Firefox and have no trouble with MSC's web site. I did have
some trouble with my older version of Mozilla.

I checked out Mozilla vs MSC at work and it's just fine.

So the problem is at my end, either how I have Mozilla configured (and yes,
Javascript _is_ enabled) and the firewall and other assorted stuff between
me and them.

Tove

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Tove
Momerathsson quickly quoth:

Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.

I have had no problems with either site using Mozilla 1.0 through
1.0.7, Tove.

Weather.com has been hosed for months, though, giving me "too many
redirect" errors in all browsers since around September. I'm going
through Yahoo now.


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http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications
================================================== ==

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
Weather.com has been hosed for months, though, giving me "too many
redirect" errors in all browsers since around September. I'm going
through Yahoo now.

Try going here. Enter your zip code, and bookmark the resulting page:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/

Jon

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:50:51 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon
Danniken" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
Weather.com has been hosed for months, though, giving me "too many
redirect" errors in all browsers since around September. I'm going
through Yahoo now.

Try going here. Enter your zip code, and bookmark the resulting page:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/

Thanks, Jon.
http://www.wunderground.com isn't bad, either. I'm surprised at how
good Yahoo Weather is, with the feeds and maps from Weather.com.
I'll probably stick with it.


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Thesaurus: Ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary
http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications
================================================== ==

Never had gone to weather.com - I rely on Unisys and wunderground.

http://www.wunderground.com is a good site -
but one of my all time and very old sites - when it was their hobby to do it -

http://weather.unisys.com/index.html


Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:58:12 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Tove
Momerathsson quickly quoth:


Larry Fishel wrote:

It may not be too uncommon to find pages that worked under IE but don't
work under firefox. That's often because the page has a bug (some times
intentional) that happened to work because of a bug in IE...

Then there's MSC and Enco's sites, where whatever they use to tell whether
Javascript is enabled doesn't like what Mozilla is answering. So I keep
IE around mostly for them.


I have had no problems with either site using Mozilla 1.0 through
1.0.7, Tove.

Weather.com has been hosed for months, though, giving me "too many
redirect" errors in all browsers since around September. I'm going
through Yahoo now.


----------------------------------------------------
Thesaurus: Ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary
http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications
================================================== ==

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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:48:57 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Martin H. Eastburn" quickly quoth:

Never had gone to weather.com - I rely on Unisys and wunderground.

http://www.wunderground.com is a good site -
but one of my all time and very old sites - when it was their hobby to do it -

http://weather.unisys.com/index.html

Great, now I have 6 copies of Mozilla running concurrently. g
Hey, interesting page. I'll have to bookmark it.

Ooh, there's a big storm just offshore just below me. Mt. Shasta
and Mt. Siskiyou are gonna get hammered. To see my closest mountains
via the OR webcams via www.TripCheck.com :
http://167.131.0.179/Pages/CCview.asp?CCPageName=Jake's%20Page%202005
I really love seeing live video feeds of the passes I need to go
through to get where I'm going during a long trip.

Also see http://accuweather.com for another good site. Yahoo has both
their video and data feeds and weather.com's. I just found a link to
see weather in Canadian cities and chose Vancouver. The weather gal
happily stated that current temps were above zero at 4, and the
weekend looked good at 10 degrees! Um, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
They want too much for premium (ad-free) weather, though. $80/yr.


--
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
-----------------------------------------------------
www.diversify.com -- Wisearse Website Design

I've been using Firefox and Thunderbird for almost a year.
I love both, ended most of my system crashes. Only a few sites will not
accept Firefox, unfortunately they are work related and I have to revert
to IE to access them.
I do like having better control. Especially like the tabs in Firefox.
and the Google (and others) search window in the upper right..

- -
Rex Burkheimer
WM Automotive
Fort Worth TX

Richard wrote:
Couple of days ago I installed Firefox V-1.5 and Thunderbird for
email. I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

One click copies the necessary from IE and OE, no glitches, less than
ten minutes to install both and have them run the first time.

I sometimes find that links don't work, but also know that enabling
javascript would probably clear this up. Adaware not finding anything
after several days of browsing also gives a bit of confidence, haen't
been hijacked yet either. Some sites will have to allow popups,
changing one to allow doesn't change all of them.

Otherwise a great improvement over IE, you can actually find tools
where you would think they'd be instead of having to search 150
functions that you never use.

And it's freeware. I like free.

Rich

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:34:31 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Couple of days ago I installed Firefox V-1.5 and Thunderbird for
email. I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

One click copies the necessary from IE and OE, no glitches, less than
ten minutes to install both and have them run the first time.

I sometimes find that links don't work, but also know that enabling
javascript would probably clear this up. Adaware not finding anything
after several days of browsing also gives a bit of confidence, haen't
been hijacked yet either. Some sites will have to allow popups,
changing one to allow doesn't change all of them.

Otherwise a great improvement over IE, you can actually find tools
where you would think they'd be instead of having to search 150
functions that you never use.

And it's freeware. I like free.

Rich


Better still..is Free Agent for newsgroups, and Eudora for email,
followed by the very free Pegasus Mail.

http://www.pmail.com/

Keep your Firefox updates current. And yes.its better than Outleak
Exploder.


Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

I use OE for my newsreader does thunderbird automatically set this up as
well?

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:33:11 -0600, "williamhenry"
wrote:

I use OE for my newsreader does thunderbird automatically set this up as
well?

Yes.

Rich

"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from '96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

Jon

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:57:06 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from '96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

Jon
When Nortons tells me some 30 times in a row that it's just blocked a
worm, I'm glad it was there. Biggest problem, or maybe benefit is
that most virus are targeted to windoze through their super hiway
programs and they don't affect Linux, and don't have the serurity
holes if you're using anything else. If Microscrappers would get
their act together and write some code that wasn't so full of gateways
they might be able to do something, but I doubt it.

Rich

"Richard" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote:

"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from
'96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

When Nortons tells me some 30 times in a row that it's just blocked a
worm, I'm glad it was there. Biggest problem, or maybe benefit is
that most virus are targeted to windoze through their super hiway
programs and they don't affect Linux, and don't have the serurity
holes if you're using anything else. If Microscrappers would get
their act together and write some code that wasn't so full of gateways
they might be able to do something, but I doubt it.

snicker Norton? That is one of the most bloated pieces of trash software
out there, and rather innefective at stopping real viruses. Even the free
AVG scanner blows it out of the water.

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Jon

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:25 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon
Danniken" quickly quoth:

"Richard" wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote:

"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from
'96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

When Nortons tells me some 30 times in a row that it's just blocked a
worm, I'm glad it was there. Biggest problem, or maybe benefit is
that most virus are targeted to windoze through their super hiway
programs and they don't affect Linux, and don't have the serurity
holes if you're using anything else. If Microscrappers would get
their act together and write some code that wasn't so full of gateways
they might be able to do something, but I doubt it.

snicker Norton? That is one of the most bloated pieces of trash software
out there, and rather innefective at stopping real viruses. Even the free
AVG scanner blows it out of the water.

Verily. I had a problem with NAV a few months ago and lost a couple
full days (2-4 hours at a time over a nearly 2 week period) to
troubleshooting the damned thing WITH SlymeAntic's help. Grrrrr. I
won't be renewing. You like AVG, eh? I'll switch to them in Feb when
the NAV expires. I'm very glad I don't have many faxes as WinFaxPro
is now a SlymeAntic program which has little real support. sigh

Peter Norton is and was a DOS God. When he moved to supporting the
Windows platform, he lost considerable credibility with me. An when he
sold out and allowed his name to be put on SlymeAntic products, he
lost all further credibility with me whatsoever. RIP, Pete.


According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Hasn't AVG been catching all of them for you?


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http://diversify.com Dynamic Website Applications
================================================== ==

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
, "Jon Danniken" quickly quoth:

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Hasn't AVG been catching all of them for you?

Nope, I don't leave AVG running in the background. The only time I use
antiviral software is to check a specific file that I have downloaded from
the net, and then I shut it off.

I do leave a firewall (ZA) running, though.

Jon

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:25 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:


snicker Norton? That is one of the most bloated pieces of trash software
out there, and rather innefective at stopping real viruses. Even the free
AVG scanner blows it out of the water.

According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Jon

Some (most?) ISP's have virus blocking, which might explain your good
luck. I've had virus attacks a couple of times, not nice, but the
worst they caused me was to reformat the HD and start over.

I'm not holding Nortons up as the paragon of virus protection, but
adding a little minor bloat to the major bloat of windoze or any other
MS programs is hardly noticed.

Also, if you're running W98 or 95, you won't have much problem with
virus, most are targetted for later "versions" of windoze. If you've
"upgraded" to 2K or XP, you now have the problem of windoze not
allowing to reinstall your earlier version. (Just put in a version of
Linux, tell it to take the whole HD and windoze goes bye-bye.)

Agent for newsgroups, Thunderbird for Email, Firefox browser, life can
still be good.

Rich

Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:

...snip...
According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Jon

Then you are just lucky. Two days ago I was asked to help out a friend
whose computer was misbehaving. It turned out to be a particularly nasty
bit of malware which, because it had destroyed part of the OS (W2K
Prof), I reckoned was best eradicated by a fresh install of W2K. I saved
his user data onto a FAT32 partition, reformatted the C: drive as NTFS,
reinstalled W2K and restored the user data. I installed AVG and
downloaded ZoneAlarm, then ran the AVG scan and it found two Trojan
horses - one was wudpcom.exe. So, even though we hadn't opened any
attachments, a few hours after a totally clean install his system was
infected by two worms - but AVG got rid of them.
As I say, you're just lucky.

--

Regards, Gary Wooding
(To reply by email, change feet to foot in my address)

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:48:55 +0000, Gary Wooding
wrote:

Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:

...snip...
According to your "data", because I don't use Norton and use IE and OE I
should be flooded with worms and virii, but as is the case, I am not, nor
have I *ever* had a virus or worm infect any of my various boxes over the
last five years with IE and OE. How do you explain that, Richard?

Jon

Then you are just lucky. Two days ago I was asked to help out a friend
whose computer was misbehaving. It turned out to be a particularly nasty
bit of malware which, because it had destroyed part of the OS (W2K
Prof), I reckoned was best eradicated by a fresh install of W2K. I saved
his user data onto a FAT32 partition, reformatted the C: drive as NTFS,
reinstalled W2K and restored the user data. I installed AVG and
downloaded ZoneAlarm, then ran the AVG scan and it found two Trojan
horses - one was wudpcom.exe. So, even though we hadn't opened any
attachments, a few hours after a totally clean install his system was
infected by two worms - but AVG got rid of them.
As I say, you're just lucky.

Just put him in the killfile, I don't think I want to see anything
that comes out of that machine. He's probably got a whole pandora's
box in there and hasn't figured it out yet.

Rich

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:57:06 -0800, Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from '96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

When's the last time you did a spyware scan, Jon?

"Dave Hinz" wrote:
Jon Danniken wrote:
"Richard" wrote:
I've never been comfortable with IE or OE, both of which are
magnets for virii of all kinds.

Funny, I've been using IE and OE for five years now (used Netscape from
'96
to '00), and I haven't had *one* virus. That's not much of a "magnet
for
virii of all kinds", now is it?

When's the last time you did a spyware scan, Jon?

A month or two ago, using both Spybot and AdAware. All it ever finds are
tracking cookies, which I really don't have a problem with

Jon