I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the 1X4
has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs against
it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw (Milwaukee
*left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability and other
advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Max

On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
against it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
(Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.

Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
against it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
(Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Lord have mercy! If you can stand the freight, run, don't walk, to get
the Festool FS55 or FS75!

The guide rails come with all that stuff and I've cut a lot of sheet
goods (and even tubafours and sheathing) thus far with no inkling of
having to replace any of those components.

There are a world of videos on youtube ... check'em out.

Festool will put a smile on your face ... GUARANTEED!

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"Morris Dovey" wrote


Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/


Every piece of angle aluminum I've had access to wasn't *exactly* straight.
I need a "benchmark". a "master", "something" that's absolutely straight. I
do a little metal work now and then and I have several pieces of angle iron
of various sizes. None of them are straight enough for me and that includes
an 10' piece of 2X2 square tube, 12 gauge. Even it has a slight bow in it.
I paid $20 for a 10' piece of 1X2 aluminum tube that I thought would work
but it had a slight bow.
I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
implementing it.

Max

"Swingman" wrote

Lord have mercy! If you can stand the freight, run, don't walk, to get
the Festool FS55 or FS75!

The guide rails come with all that stuff and I've cut a lot of sheet goods
(and even tubafours and sheathing) thus far with no inkling of having to
replace any of those components.

There are a world of videos on youtube ... check'em out.

Festool will put a smile on your face ... GUARANTEED!

--
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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where the
smaller one seems underpowered.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Question:
Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?
I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get the
festool vac just for the saw.
Question?
I would be ordering online. Can the 102" guide rail be shipped with
*reasonable* expectation that it won't get damaged?

Max

On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:

I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
implementing it.

I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle
up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
plywood edge.

Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
of the base board.

It's straight enough.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:

Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
the smaller one seems underpowered.

I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut
more stock at a time.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Question:
Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?

I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
(CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things
like routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work
with either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)

I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it,
so I think you may be OK in that regard.

Perhaps he will chime in here.

I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get
the festool vac just for the saw.
Question?
I would be ordering online. Can the 102" guide rail be shipped with
*reasonable* expectation that it won't get damaged?

I got the 75" guide rail with the FS75, and bought an extra 55" guide
rail, along with the kit for joining guide rails. This gives me more
than enough flexibility for the longest diagonal cut on a 4 x 8 sheet of
plywood, and the ease of use of the 55" on a 4 x 4 sheet, or smaller, sheet.

These guide rails excel at diagonal cuts that you can't do on a table
saw ... something I've been beating my head against, looking for a
solution, for years.

All my Festool stuff thus far were purchased locally at Rockler, but I
have the shipping boxes for both guide rails and they are stout enough
to make pretty good containers for general shop use, if not for long
term offsite use.

Let me know if you have any more questions ... this Festool stuff is
dear to my heart .. even the cons far outweigh the pros of most of the
tools built today.

Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:

http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcail...60276095952578



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a wallpapers straight edge works great

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
against it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
(Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.

Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:

Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
the smaller one seems underpowered.

I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut more
stock at a time.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Question:
Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?

I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
(CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things like
routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work with
either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)

I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it, so
I think you may be OK in that regard.

Perhaps he will chime in here.

Excellent!

I got the 75" guide rail with the FS75, and bought an extra 55" guide
rail, along with the kit for joining guide rails. This gives me more than
enough flexibility for the longest diagonal cut on a 4 x 8 sheet of
plywood, and the ease of use of the 55" on a 4 x 4 sheet, or smaller,
sheet.

These guide rails excel at diagonal cuts that you can't do on a table saw
... something I've been beating my head against, looking for a solution,
for years.

All my Festool stuff thus far were purchased locally at Rockler, but I
have the shipping boxes for both guide rails and they are stout enough to
make pretty good containers for general shop use, if not for long term
offsite use.

Good news.

Let me know if you have any more questions ... this Festool stuff is dear
to my heart .. even the cons far outweigh the pros of most of the tools
built today.

Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:

http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcail...60276095952578

Cute as a...........dare I say...kitten?

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Thanks,

Max

On 3/30/2010 9:10 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:

I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
implementing it.

I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle
up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
plywood edge.

Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
of the base board.

It's straight enough.

Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodology.

AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with a
guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
the dust bin of history.

Never again ...

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On Mar 30, 10:37*pm, Swingman wrote:

Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:

http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcail...60276095952578




Yup, I know what you mean. Moxie was done playing with me and went
looking for Angela just to find herself locked out of Ang's study.
Dawg KNEW Ang was in there and sniffed at the bottom of the door,
whimpered a little and became quite silent.
Half an hour went by and next thing I know, Ang was calling me to come
take a look. Moxie had laid out a half dozen of her very favourite
toys along the closed door for her. Those dogs give back so much when
you treat them well.

On 3/30/2010 9:55 PM, Swingman wrote:

Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodology.

AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with a
guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
the dust bin of history.

Never again ...

I confess that I haven't used mine for quite a while, too - same with my
panel saw. Nowadays I cut more accurately without any guide at all.

In fact I use the same tool to cut precise elipses, parabolas, gears,
text, dovetails, M&T's, dados, lap joints,...

....in wood, plastics, and soft metals.

But not everyone needs, wants, or can afford spendy tools - and I have
to admit that my old angle guide (and the little SawSquare for
cross-cutting) worked well enough to halve a knife mark.

I'd be happy to join you and Leon on the Festool cheering squad, but I
prefer to not sacrifice precision and flexibility for portability I
don't need.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Mar 31, 12:20*am, Morris Dovey wrote:
On 3/30/2010 9:55 PM, Swingman wrote:

Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodology.

AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with a
guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
the dust bin of history.

Never again ...

I confess that I haven't used mine for quite a while, too - same with my
panel saw. Nowadays I cut more accurately without any guide at all.

In fact I use the same tool to cut precise elipses, parabolas, gears,
text, dovetails, M&T's, dados, lap joints,...

...in wood, plastics, and soft metals.

But not everyone needs, wants, or can afford spendy tools - and I have
to admit that my old angle guide (and the little SawSquare for
cross-cutting) worked well enough to halve a knife mark.

I'd be happy to join you and Leon on the Festool cheering squad, but I
prefer to not sacrifice precision and flexibility for portability I
don't need.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

With some of that precision at my disposal, I still reach for my
trusty 12-foot x 6" aluminum straight edge. I still do many cross cuts
with a 48" shooting board with my Skil worm-drive. Then again, that
Corian is awkward and heavy and the tools are a lot easier to move.
The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
equal. A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol.

"Max" wrote in message
...

Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Max

I have several of these cutting guides in various lengths, they make one
long enough to do a sheet of plywood the long way. They also have adapter
plates for circular saws and routers that really lock the tool to the guide,
although so far I've been able to keep such tools tight enough to the guide
that I haven't needed the plates. Not as nice as the saw-guide systems, but
somewhat less expensive.

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-50-Inch-.../dp/B0000DYV40

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-99-Inch-...ref=pd_cp_hi_3

http://www.amazon.com/All-Clamp-9-In..._bxgy_hi_img_c

On 3/30/2010 11:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:

With some of that precision at my disposal, I still reach for my
trusty 12-foot x 6" aluminum straight edge. I still do many cross cuts
with a 48" shooting board with my Skil worm-drive. Then again, that
Corian is awkward and heavy and the tools are a lot easier to move.
The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
equal. A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol.

That makes sense to me, and my attitude would probably change if I were
working with difficult-to-move materials. What I build doesn't begin to
become heavy/awkward until assembly time - at which point I tip it onto
a pallet and wrap/strap it for shipment. Even then I'll guess that a
fully assembled 8x6 solar panel on its pallet weighs less than a full
sheet of your solid surface material. I'm glad I don't have to muscle
stuff like that around my shop...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 11:17 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:37 pm, wrote:

Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:

http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcail...60276095952578




Yup, I know what you mean. Moxie was done playing with me and went
looking for Angela just to find herself locked out of Ang's study.
Dawg KNEW Ang was in there and sniffed at the bottom of the door,
whimpered a little and became quite silent.
Half an hour went by and next thing I know, Ang was calling me to come
take a look. Moxie had laid out a half dozen of her very favourite
toys along the closed door for her. Those dogs give back so much when
you treat them well.

This tiny rascal has me wrapped around her little finger like no coon
dog or hunting dog ever did. She actually belongs to our youngest
daughter, who is staying here while recuperating from surgery, but since
they only live three blocks away, in the house on the same property as
the shop, I take care of the pup just as much, if not more, than she.

It was love at first sight ... I can't hep it.

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"Robatoy" wrote


The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
equal.

"A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol."

A winner all by itself!

Max

"DGDevin" wrote

"Max" wrote
Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Max

I have several of these cutting guides in various lengths, they make one
long enough to do a sheet of plywood the long way. They also have adapter
plates for circular saws and routers that really lock the tool to the
guide, although so far I've been able to keep such tools tight enough to
the guide that I haven't needed the plates. Not as nice as the saw-guide
systems, but somewhat less expensive.

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-50-Inch-.../dp/B0000DYV40

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-99-Inch-...ref=pd_cp_hi_3

http://www.amazon.com/All-Clamp-9-In..._bxgy_hi_img_c


I think the dust collection feature will be the clincher.
But thanks for that info.

Max

On 03/30/2010 07:05 PM, Max wrote:

I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw (Milwaukee
*left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability and other
advantages would be worth the money.

I've used one of these for a long time:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...240,45313&ap=1

I have a dedicated circular saw with a 1/4 ply base plate and the
"traveller" from that page. The "traveller" keeps it from moving away
from the fence.

Handy for breaking down plywood, though not as fancy (or spendy) as the
dedicated track saws. Makes a great straight edge for cutting drywall
too.

Chris

"Max" wrote in message
...
I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the 1X4
has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
against it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw (Milwaukee
*left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability and other
advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Max



What are you looking for exactly?

Do you simply want to cut straight lines? Renew what you have.

Would you like to get a saw that delivers a cut quality that might be better
than your TS? Look to one of the new track saws.

I am partial to the Festool saw, they have had the idea in use since the
60's.
The track guide pretty much stays where you put it with out clamps, but you
can use clamps.
The track sets up on the line you want to cut, there is no off set
measurements needed.
The track helps to prevent tear out on the top inner side of the cut. The
saw has a replaceable piece that prevents tear out on the outer side of the
cut. I have seen Swingman's saw work and it cuts oak plywood as good as
what my cabinet saw does and I don't have to sand or clean up my cuts.
The saw easily makes plunge cuts and stopped cuts.

Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on both
of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
getting the TS55 saw.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Max" wrote in message
...
I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
against it.
I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
straight.
I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.

I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
Do I really need all that extra crap.
I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
(Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability
and other advantages would be worth the money.
Some input would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Max



What are you looking for exactly?

Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my circular
saw when cutting panel goods.
Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of the
"track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.

Do you simply want to cut straight lines? Renew what you have.

Would you like to get a saw that delivers a cut quality that might be
better than your TS? Look to one of the new track saws.

I am partial to the Festool saw, they have had the idea in use since the
60's.
The track guide pretty much stays where you put it with out clamps, but
you can use clamps.
The track sets up on the line you want to cut, there is no off set
measurements needed.
The track helps to prevent tear out on the top inner side of the cut. The
saw has a replaceable piece that prevents tear out on the outer side of
the cut. I have seen Swingman's saw work and it cuts oak plywood as good
as what my cabinet saw does and I don't have to sand or clean up my cuts.
The saw easily makes plunge cuts and stopped cuts.

Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
getting the TS55 saw.

I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Max

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:

Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
the smaller one seems underpowered.

I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut more
stock at a time.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Question:
Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?

I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
(CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things like
routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work with
either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)

I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it, so
I think you may be OK in that regard.

Perhaps he will chime in here.

I think that a 1.25" ID would be too large. But there are lots of adapters
out there. The adapter that Swingman mentioned for the Kreg jig is made by
Fein.
I measured the Festool Hose, the ID is 15/16" OD is 1.5".


I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get
the festool vac just for the saw.

Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:10:57 -0500, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following:

On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:

I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
implementing it.

I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle

Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?


up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
plywood edge.

Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
of the base board.

The porch frame I just put in was 1.5" out of square. I built it that
way because the porch roof/railing/uprights were all skewed and the
roof would have looked out of square if I'd built it properly. sigh
So, I needed to rip a couple of six foot tubasixes. Nix the SCMS. Nix
the Ryobi portable table saur. Nix the Tiger saw. Nix the ryoba. Nix
the pruning saw. Nix the razor knife. Nix the Zona saw. Nix the
drywall saw. And nix the fret saw. Hmm...what else do I carry?

OK, the ancient Skilsaw gets the job. (Not a hard choice.

I put another piece of tubasix up against the piece I wanted to cut
and used it as the straightedge with a very dull HF blade. After the
smoke cleared, I put on a new blade that night. The other stick cut
in about 1/4 the time, and without any of the smoke. Amazing!
(Note to self: remember to replace the blades you use with new ones so
you'll have them in the truck when you need them.)


It's straight enough.

That's exactly what I said and the owner concurred. He added "It's
only a rental unit."

--
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And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

"Leon" wrote in message
...


Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.

Hey!!
I'm lucky to get away with the expense of the saw, never mind the vac.
At some point in time............................

Max

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:25 -0600, the infamous "Max"
scrawled the following:

"Leon" wrote in message
m...

Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
getting the TS55 saw.

April Fools! , eh?


I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.

The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy ****, $1,079 with shop vac!
Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
burst into tears again. Gotta go.)

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

On Mar 31, 1:18*pm, "Max" wrote:


I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Max

See you on the Other Side....

On 3/31/2010 2:00 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy ****, $1,079 with shop vac!
Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
burst into tears again. Gotta go.)

You're in the business, right? Section 179 expense ... let Uncle OBama
pay for a good part of it.

Well designed, 'top of the line' tools of the trade save time, effort,
and material, and improve the overall quality of your work ... and waste
of any of those is wasted, and lost, money and opportunity.

Regarding the alternative edge guides and aluminum angle cobble-ups for
circle saws ... I did that for 40 years, there is simply NO comparison
with these guide rail/plunge saw systems.

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 3/31/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?

BB = Baltic Birch (plywood)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Max" wrote in message
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"Leon" wrote in message
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Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.

Hey!!
I'm lucky to get away with the expense of the saw, never mind the vac.
At some point in time............................

Max


Typically you can get better pricing on Festool tools when you buy a sander,
saw, Domino etc along with one of the vac's.
Because the saw will be on sale for 10% off tomorrow you would not likely
get much better of a deal getting the vac now anyway. ;~)

Get vac when you buy a Rotex sander or the Domino. LOL.

"Max" wrote in message
...
"Leon" wrote in message

What are you looking for exactly?

Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my
circular saw when cutting panel goods.
Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of
the "track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.

The dust collection is wonderful. I added a dusto collector to my shop
about 5 years ago after dealing with it for the previous 25 years. 3 years
ago I bought the Festool Domino and the CT22 Festool vac. 2 years ago I
started adding the Rotex Sander and Festool finish sander. Quiet and I no
longer get dusty. I no longer have to clean up before going insde at the
end of the day. I no longer have to blow out the shop befor applying a
finish to a fresh sanded project.

The really cool thing about Festool tools is that they address and fix many
problems that you did not realize you had.
Storage a problem? You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on
top of a Festool CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about
ready to add another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet
for more tools. ;~)


Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably
be getting the TS55 saw.

I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Max

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
Snip


Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.

The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy ****, $1,079 with shop vac!
Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
burst into tears again. Gotta go.)


Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?

I'm worth it.

"Leon" wrote

You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet for more
tools. ;~)

Not to worry Leon.

When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder! LOL

I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.

On Mar 31, 7:04*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Leon" *wrote

*You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. *I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
another foot with the TS55 saw. *That will leave me 3 more feet for more
tools. *;~)

Not to worry Leon.

When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder! *LOL

I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.

Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)

"Robatoy" wrote

Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)
===================

Hey..., aren't you the guy who does those computer generated systainer
images?

On Mar 31, 8:04*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Robatoy" *wrote

Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)
===================

Hey..., *aren't you the guy who does those computer generated systainer
images?

You mean the Festool Fridge?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...idgstainer.jpg

New, to me, Festool site:

http://www.tracksaw.com/?ref=fog

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Mar 31, 10:35*pm, Swingman wrote:
New, to me, Festool site:

http://www.tracksaw.com/?ref=fog

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

There is no doubt in my mind that it, together with the Festool table,
could be the finest piece of woodworking machinery available... period.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:12:55 -0500, the infamous Swingman
scrawled the following:

On 3/31/2010 2:00 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy ****, $1,079 with shop vac!
Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
burst into tears again. Gotta go.)

You're in the business, right? Section 179 expense ... let Uncle OBama
pay for a good part of it.

Yeah, right. If the rest of the year shapes up anything like the
first quarter has, I'll be in a position to look at Festeringtools for
once. Egad, though, they just overprice the living **** out of 'em,
though. It's like asking what's his butt if I could pay double for
his safe saw. It just doesn't seem _moral_ to pay that much. /huff
(or right or sane)


Well designed, 'top of the line' tools of the trade save time, effort,
and material, and improve the overall quality of your work ... and waste
of any of those is wasted, and lost, money and opportunity.

That's true, but it only counts when you have too much work to do and
too little time. If you're only working 1/4 of the time, it doesn't
hurt anything, 'cept your leisure time.


Regarding the alternative edge guides and aluminum angle cobble-ups for
circle saws ... I did that for 40 years, there is simply NO comparison
with these guide rail/plunge saw systems.

My mind just copped an accent and it sounds like Aunt Bee. I can just
make out is saying "That's nice dear. I'm sure the Festerer is quite
nice little plunger. Now eat up all your breakfast before you go out
to play."

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:55:27 -0500, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following:

On 3/31/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?

BB = Baltic Birch (plywood)

But of course. whap

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote

You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet for more
tools. ;~)

Not to worry Leon.

When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder!
LOL

I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.


There is a ladder??? ;~)