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New DeWalt Circular Saw (Festool clone???)
Check out this video for a new Dewalt Saw. Looks pretty nice.
Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well engineered. Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S. Dave |
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"Dave - Parkville, MD" wrote in message ... Check out this video for a new Dewalt Saw. Looks pretty nice. Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well engineered. Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S. Dave Gotta link to that? |
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Dave - Parkville, MD wrote:
Check out this video for a new Dewalt Saw. Looks pretty nice. Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well engineered. Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S. Did you forget to include the link? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Jan 28, 7:52*am, "Dave - Parkville, MD"
wrote: Check out this video for a new Dewalt Saw. *Looks pretty nice. Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well engineered. *Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S. Dave Whoops! http://www.dewalt.co.uk/ontrack/UK/index.html |
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New DeWalt Circular Saw (Festool clone???)
"Dave - Parkville, MD" wrote in message ... Check out this video for a new Dewalt Saw. Looks pretty nice. Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well engineered. Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S. Dave Well that looks kinda cool. I bet it goes for about the same price as the Festool and I would certainly skip the battery operated models and stick with the corded models. |
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On Jan 28, 1:00*pm, "Leon" wrote:
Well that looks kinda cool. *I bet it goes for about the same price as the Festool and I *would certainly skip the battery operated models and stick with the corded models. Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off. Have they no shame? |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 1:00 pm, "Leon" wrote: Well that looks kinda cool. I bet it goes for about the same price as the Festool and I would certainly skip the battery operated models and stick with the corded models. Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off. Have they no shame? And their saw is a REVOLUTION. I guess they are referring to the blade spinning. |
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On Jan 28, 1:41*pm, Robatoy wrote:
Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off. Have they no shame? Oh now, c'mon. Of course they have no shame. But not all the Euro tools are completely original, either. Circular saws in all interations have been around more than a couple of centuries, so I am thinking this is kind of a evolution. Who knows, the key components of the two saws may be under license by someone else to both makers. Even the track guide systems became popular in the 60s, and certainly they are popular today. I'd put my money on DeWalt screwing their system up, though. But it is monkey see - monkey do. I am remembering the biscuit machine fiasco that DeWalt ran into. They copied Lamello, and in turn were copied by Porter Cable. DeWalt sued Porter Cable since it was too close to their design. That made PC come up with a new model that had a tiny difference in the machine. The point being, if it is actually close and unlicensed, expect a lawsuit soon. Festool's markup is huge enough that they have a responsibility to protect their products. But that being said, I am waiting for you and Leon to buy one of these. http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap Check out both sizes, the #2 and the #20. They are both pretty damn cool. And for some cool, original tooling, look around that site if you have a few minutes.. They have some cool flush cutting saws, dedicated laminate/wood trimmers, etc. Love that plugger, though. I guess you have to buy the plug maker with it though. If I was repairing furniture for a living, I would be getting out my checkbook now since the big plugger will even do edges! Robert |
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On Jan 28, 4:17*pm, "
wrote: On Jan 28, 1:41*pm, Robatoy wrote: Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off. Have they no shame? Oh now, c'mon. * Of course they have no shame. But not all the Euro tools are completely original, either. *Circular saws in all interations have been around more than a couple of centuries, so I am thinking this is kind of a evolution. *Who knows, the key components of the two saws may be under license by someone else to both makers. Even the track guide systems became popular in the 60s, and certainly they are popular today. I'd put my money on DeWalt screwing their system up, though. But it is monkey see - monkey do. *I am remembering the biscuit machine fiasco that DeWalt ran into. *They copied Lamello, and in turn were copied by Porter Cable. *DeWalt sued Porter Cable since it was too close to their design. *That made PC come up with a new model that had a tiny difference in the machine. The point being, if it is actually close and unlicensed, expect a lawsuit soon. *Festool's markup is huge enough that they have a responsibility to protect their products. But that being said, I am waiting for you and Leon to buy one of these. *http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap Check out both sizes, the #2 and the #20. *They are both pretty damn cool. And for some cool, original tooling, look around that site if you have a few minutes.. *They have some cool flush cutting saws, dedicated laminate/wood trimmers, etc. Love that plugger, though. *I guess you have to buy the plug maker with it though. *If I was repairing furniture for a living, I would be getting out my checkbook now since the big plugger will even do edges! Robert Doing the math based on the UK availability its about $575USD (289.95UK) |
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On Jan 28, 4:51*pm, BDBConstruction wrote:
Doing the math based on the UK availability its about $575USD (289.95UK) I imagine it would further disappoint if it were about the same (or the same with a couple of adjustments) that is meant to be sold overseas, and not here as an agreement with Festools. There could be some nefarious forces at work... Robert |
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wrote in message ... But that being said, I am waiting for you and Leon to buy one of these. http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty. |
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On Jan 28, 5:53*pm, "Leon" wrote:
*http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap LOL, that is pretty cool. *It would be interseting to use different color woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty. Actually, I thought they were REALLY cool. Never could find a price on them, and although I bet the plug cutter is affordable, I'll bet the plug maker isn't. Hey.... maybe you could dangle this in front of Swing! You never know.... ha! Robert |
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On Jan 28, 5:53 pm, "Leon" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty. Actually, I thought they were REALLY cool. Never could find a price on them, and although I bet the plug cutter is affordable, I'll bet the plug maker isn't. Hey.... maybe you could dangle this in front of Swing! You never know.... ha! http://www.csaw.com/lamello/minispot.html http://www.csaw.com/lamello/lampatchmaker.html -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 5:53 pm, "Leon" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty. Actually, I thought they were REALLY cool. Never could find a price on them, and although I bet the plug cutter is affordable, I'll bet the plug maker isn't. Hey.... maybe you could dangle this in front of Swing! You never know.... ha! Robert Yeah I agree, the divot cutter is probably much cheaper than the plug maker. I kinda like production runs perhaps I could guy the maker and sell the plugs. ;~) OR Maybe "you" could be then next in line to make "the purchase". LOL I just got the Rotex and he just got the new sharpener that uses the glass disks and sand paper to produce scary sharp edges, the name escapes me, maybe WorkSharp or something like that. Yeah Robert, I think it is your turn. Do you agree Swingman? LOL |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 5:53 pm, "Leon" wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty. Actually, I thought they were REALLY cool. Never could find a price on them, and although I bet the plug cutter is affordable, I'll bet the plug maker isn't. Hey.... maybe you could dangle this in front of Swing! You never know.... ha! Robert As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. And that sound too cheap. But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more reasonable price than the plug maker $790. http://www.csaw.com/lamello/patches.html About 20 cents each in boxes of 500 in a wide variety of species. I have go to think that 500 would last a very long time and if not, you need to find a different wood supplier. |
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On Jan 29, 7:52*am, "Leon" wrote:
As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. *And that sound too cheap. * But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more reasonable price than the plug maker $790. Noooo...... look again. The second CUTTER head only is $139. The machine is $790! And in my imagination I was about right - the actual cost of the plug maker is $1600. So for less than $2500, you're in! Get up ... call in now.... at these prices they won't last! And if you order today and ship within the US (sorry friends in the frozen tundra of Canada) it's free! Don't forget that spiffy little motorized planer (I am almost positive this is one of those suspended blade gizmos) they show in the video to finish the job, though. That would probably be in the $800 range. So for everything, you could be patching with the big dogs for about $3300. If you and Swing are relying on me, I think we should go this route, and just tell everyone we had one of those: http://tinyurl.com/2rkgb7 We could easily make a rounded slot patch, and we wouldn't have to use hearts, diamonds, or shamrocks. We could be in for under $40, whiich is about my speed! Sitting here thinking about it, I think the last major tool purchase I made was my HVLP system couple of years ago. To the door it was $1500, $1600, somewhere in there. I got the upgrade system then upgraded that, bought the stuff for maintenance, and extra gun, aircaps, etc., and it added up pretty quick. But that rascal made my money back in short order so it was a good purchase. Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. I want the ones I have to do everything I need. What I need to get is the time to use the ones I want on the projects I want to do. I don't see that in the near future, though. Robert |
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Robert blurted out...
Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. This is serious. Is there a wood dorker's intervention service in Texas? This man is not well. Hold him down and force him to peruse the Lee Valley catalog. Let him fondle some big buck planes. Maybe he will respond to a tool made with rosewood and brass. Lock him up in a room with some Festools. The man needs help! Hey Swingman and Leon, are you available for a serious wood dorker intervention? G |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 29, 7:52 am, "Leon" wrote: As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. And that sound too cheap. But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more reasonable price than the plug maker $790. Noooo...... look again. The second CUTTER head only is $139. The machine is $790! And in my imagination I was about right - the actual cost of the plug maker is $1600. So for less than $2500, you're in! Get up ... call in now.... at these prices they won't last! And if you order today and ship within the US (sorry friends in the frozen tundra of Canada) it's free! Don't forget that spiffy little motorized planer (I am almost positive this is one of those suspended blade gizmos) they show in the video to finish the job, though. That would probably be in the $800 range. So for everything, you could be patching with the big dogs for about $3300. Hummmmm.. now you are talking. $3300, now that IS starting to sound intersting. NOT! LOL You could buy about 8,000 plugs for the price of the cutter. I cannot see how buying the machine would pay for it self as the time required to make 8,000 plugs would surely cost you about $1600 in man hours and materials. Snip Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. I want the ones I have to do everything I need. What I need to get is the time to use the ones I want on the projects I want to do. I don't see that in the near future, though. Gasp! ;~) I'll have to say I scrimped along for more than 20 years. My previous ROS purchase was in 1990. In the last 2 years I have probably added and upgraded about $7K worth of equipment. Having said that, I don't feel so gooood.... It is hard keeping up with Swingman. LOL Well I do find my self accomplishing much more in shorter time and staying busier lately. ;~) |
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message . .. Robert blurted out... Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. This is serious. Is there a wood dorker's intervention service in Texas? This man is not well. Hold him down and force him to peruse the Lee Valley catalog. Let him fondle some big buck planes. Maybe he will respond to a tool made with rosewood and brass. Lock him up in a room with some Festools. The man needs help! Hey Swingman and Leon, are you available for a serious wood dorker intervention? LOL,,, A couple of days ago I mentioned the Houston WW show in early April. |
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wrote: *Festool's markup is huge enough that they have a responsibility to protect their products. I'm not so sure that the margins are all that great to Festool. They actually allow their dealers to make a buck. Not a bad thing... up to a point. rrrrrrrrr |
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On Jan 29, 9:06 pm, Robatoy wrote:
I'm not so sure that the margins are all that great to Festool. They actually allow their dealers to make a buck. Not a bad thing... up to a point. rrrrrrrrr Now that would be refreshing. I haven't heard of a dealer of mass produced goods making a decent profit in a long time. If it's true, good for Festool. And if their tools are a great quality as well it seems like it could be a win/win as everybody gets what they want. I can see me buying the Rotex in the future, but one of my Milwaukees or Bosch sanders will have to die. I'm betting on the Bosch 5" ROS giving up the ghost first, but it is an old Swiss model I got from CPO Bosch when the closed them out. Life span is unknown. BTW, last year I also got their last Swiss made Bosch half sheet sander. It was delivered to the door for under $200 as a closeout. I also have a 3 hp ELU/DeWalt Swiss made router. Unfortunately, my Metabo 6" ROS (you could stand in it and not bog it down and the dust collection was superb) was stolen from me a couple of years ago (providing the reason to purchase the Bosch 5") so that was that. Hey... wait a minute. What am I doing with all these Eurotools? Crap... Don't tell Leon... I couldn't tease him with a straight face... ;^) Robert |
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On Jan 30, 12:50*am, "
wrote: Hey... wait a minute. *What am I doing with all these Eurotools? Crap... Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap) http://www.specialtytools.com/produc...cts_id= 12727 |
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On Jan 30, 9:22 pm, Robatoy wrote:
Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap) http://www.specialtytools.com/produc...09_4110_4111&p... Oh man.... now that rollup compact fence really makes that look interesting. I have never seen anything like that. The additional portability could add a world of utility to that saw system. Just think, no rails to protect from bending, chipping, or having the indians throw them in the back of the truck. That system looks like it could be a winner. Damnit. Robert |
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Robatoy wrote:
Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap) http://www.specialtytools.com/produc...cts_id= 12727 Finally, a tool designed for ripping the 2 x's you get from the Borgs! -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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On Jan 31, 6:59*pm, Nova wrote:
Robatoy wrote: Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap) http://www.specialtytools.com/produc...09_4110_4111&p.... Finally, a tool designed for ripping the 2 x's you get from the Borgs! Isn't that the truth. But the word is out around here, the older, more established lumber yards have recovered from HD's initial onslaught. Better product, for not a whole more money. |
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Robatoy wrote:
But the word is out around here, the older, more established lumber yards have recovered from HD's initial onslaught. Better product, for not a whole more money. Sometimes, less. Delivery included, to boot! G |
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On Jan 31, 11:08*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:59*pm, Nova wrote: Robatoy wrote: Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap) http://www.specialtytools.com/produc...09_4110_4111&p.... Finally, a tool designed for ripping the 2 x's you get from the Borgs! Isn't that the truth. But the word is out around here, the older, more established lumber yards have recovered from HD's initial onslaught. Better product, for not a whole more money. I just had this conversation in depth with the president/owner of a large local electrical supply house we deal with regularly. They have been a quality supplier in the same location since 1934. He spoke frustratingly to the fact of having very few options over and above the BB's anymore. His large accounts are complaining and some are taking to billing him directly for lost time caused by the reduction in quality. We talked of the time when he could sell you the same junk you could buy at the BB's, or a far better product for those who wanted quality. Now in many cases there is just no choice. I highly doubt they will ever recover completely. Just ask the owner or president of your local lumberyard for a few minutes of their day and pose the question(s) to them directly. Unless your locale is very unique I would say their bottom line clearly reflects the long term damage these places have done. I have yet to speak with a supplier who hasnt brought it up. It will likely take several decades to recover if there will even be a complete recovery. The entire landscape of the industry has been changed. Manufacturers have completely adjusted/re- tooled, changing back will not be easy especially with the vast majority of the consumers drunk on cheap goods. Simple availability of quality materials and products is much more scarce now as the demand from the masses simply vaporized. We have been facing this on an almost daily basis for a good 15 years. You just cant put your hands on the variety of items and materials as easy as you used to. This is what all of us "chicken littles" were squaking about 10-15 years ago. Our main lumberyard has been fighting the quality fight and losing, and they continue to do so(lose that is). The owner of that company has stated to me many times that merely the damage an unrelated business like Walmart has done to the marketplace reaches far into his buisiness. Its is a clear case where, driven by the consumer, free market capitalism can be a very bad thing. My feeing is we have yet to see the tip of the iceburg with regards to the long term consequences of Walmart, BB's, and the like. Situations like these are why, in politics, we have the electoral college. The founders knew that the masses cant always be trusted to make the best decisions and they wanted a back door saftey net. Mark |
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"BDBConstruction" wrote in message ... I just had this conversation in depth with the president/owner of a large local electrical supply house we deal with regularly. They have been a quality supplier in the same location since 1934. He spoke frustratingly to the fact of having very few options over and above the BB's anymore. His large accounts are complaining and some are taking to billing him directly for lost time caused by the reduction in quality. We talked of the time when he could sell you the same junk you could buy at the BB's, or a far better product for those who wanted quality. Now in many cases there is just no choice. I highly doubt they will ever recover completely. Just ask the owner or president of your local lumberyard for a few minutes of their day and pose the question(s) to them directly. Unless your locale is very unique I would say their bottom line clearly reflects the long term damage these places have done. I have to say that location has a little to do with survival however how well the lumber yard and or hardware store is run will factor in also. Outside the SW Houston city limits but in 2 different small cities that border the Houston city limit line there are 2 separate small businesses, one a lumber yard and the other an old fashioned service but modern hardware store that are thriving and growing. They were around long before the Borgs began to show up in Houston 20+ years ago. They are closed on Sundays. always busy, expanding, and more importantly cheaper that the Borgs for the exact same manufactured hardware item or tool. The lumber yard is a bit more expensive on lumber but their lumber is "good" lumber. There are 4 Borgs within 15 minutes of both of those small businesses. |
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