On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:03:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

Yeah, well, DUH!

MM

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On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 08:33:35 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

So how do you find Asda and Lidl? There was not one near us before but a
new one has opened up... Lidl's still a bit of a hike though.

I was in Asda yesterday. I believe it's the next cheapest to Aldi.
Lidl isn't as cheap as Aldi, BUT Lidl does do a lot of really far out
delicacies which are truly scrumptious. They're making it their
speciality while Aldi concentrates on really low prices and special
offers in DIY etc.

Now, while I went to Asda, and don't go there as often nowadays, the
size of the store compared to a typical Aldi or Lidl was overwhelming.
Simply negotiating the myriad number of aisles, the number of floor
staff (none of which knows where anything is), the huge ranks of
checkouts, it's more than I'm used to now. I prefer the more compact
model of shopping at Aldi, which is so much smaller. One can zoom
around in no time.

Problem is that they don't have everything you need, so you have to go
somewhere else as well, so that really ****s up the zooming around.

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On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:03:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

Yeah, well, DUH!

The whole point of self checkouts is that they don't cost
more than peanuts to run so they should have enough
so that there is always one free even at peak times.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:06:21 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

You need to get thee to a chinese restaurant - proper tofu is yummy

Agreed but you really need to find the one or three proper chinese
restraunts in a China Town area of a big city. The restraunts that
the local chinese population use for their good nights out birthday,
aniversarys etc.

You can cook it in soup, deep fry it (though I doubt your doctor had
that in mind).

Aye, I think for most western palats tofu is lacking in texture and
flavour. Also the Cauldron Foods isn't that good as far as tofu is
concerned. The carton Yutaka "Japanese Style Silken Tofu" (red and
black packaging) is far better, there is another carton one as well,
mainly white packaging, but not tried that one yet.

You do need to press it for quite a while with moderate pressure to
get as much water out as possible. Four or five sheets of kitchen
roll on a plate, already drained tofo block, more kitchen roll,
another plate and all your scale weights, couple of pounds or so, on
top. Check after 15 mins change kitchen roll another 15 mins, check
etc.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Monday, 27 April 2015 08:44:36 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
The whole point of self checkouts is that they don't cost
more than peanuts to run so they should have enough
so that there is always one free even at peak times.

They also take up less space as they don't need room for an operator

Owain

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:15:18 +0100, Chris French wrote:

As part of getting themselves sorted out, Tesco are reducing the number
of lines they stock, in part by reducing the number of brands of a typr
of product.

Yes, they seem to be dropping the things we buy...

E.G. they have stopped stocking kingsmill stuff, and have thus managed
to negotiate a better deal with Hovis - hence the 78p Hovis loaves they
stock now. similar things with their different own brand of stuff

Is there a bog standard medium sliced wholemeal Hovis to replace the
Tesco own brand bog standard medium sliced wholemeal that they used
to stock and is it 40p, as such a bread is in Aldi?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:19:12 +0100, MM wrote:

Even here there is a story to be told! At Aldi I buy either their Both
In One bread, which is a rip-off of Best of Both by Hovis. However,
Aldi also sell Kingsmill 50/50,

Normally get the Kingsmill 50/50 as that is what I'm told to buy.
Hovis Best of Both is not as nice and I agree. Is the Aldi Both in
One just a different wrapper on a Hovis Best of Both?

BiO or 50/50, and the winner is always... not the price, but the use
by date! Sometimes (mostly, in fact), Kingsmill has a longer use by
date and I'll happily pay the extra 20 pence.

You pay attention to dates on food? So half a loaf would go in the
bin at Use By +1? With bread if it's not going green and furry it's
good enough for toast at the very least. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Monday, 27 April 2015 08:44:36 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
The whole point of self checkouts is that they don't cost
more than peanuts to run so they should have enough
so that there is always one free even at peak times.

They also take up less space as they don't need room for an operator

Yep, both of ours that have self checkouts have 6 in the
space that would normally be used for 2 droided checkouts.

On Friday, 24 April 2015 20:09:00 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 24 April 2015 12:46:04 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:33:34 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:34:33 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:56:27 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:

On 23/04/2015 08:02, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Simon Brown wrote:

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message

A good manager is a leader whose job is to get the best from
the
team,

That's the theory, anyway. In reality its nothing like that.

I've long had concerns about what makes a good manager, having
experienced quite a lot of managers during my engineering
career.

I've never worked with anybody who began straight off having
trained as a "manager", indeed can't quite see how anybody could
do this.

However, the other end of the scale, where promotion is based
only on engineering ability, is not without snags. There was a
time when my chief engineer and engineering manager, whilst both
excellent engineers, had no management skills. This was such a
shame, as their real talents were wasted, and their ineptitude
diminished the work of those in their charge.

Chris


I've often wondered how it is that the staff at Aldi seem so
cheerful,
efficient, and happy with their lot. Even the security guard knows
where
everything is in the store. There is a manager but he is either on
the
till or stacking shelves. Go figure, Tesco.

Many are foreigners. Many employers in Britain prefer to hire them,
as
they are much more committed to work than some of our own lot.

They'll also work cheaper, longer hours

You don't know that with Aldi employees.

I don't with regards to aldi, but we were talking about "Many employers
in
Britain prefer" not just aldi.



and more liley to let slide any H&S issues
that might reduce company profits.

Ditto.

They know what the job at Aldi entails before they join.
Aldi has the fastest checkouts bar none.

I've only shopped in aldi a couple of times and never noticed
it being faster than anywhere else. In fact once it was slower
much slower, when a eastern european customer tried it on with
the eastern european checkout assistant say how in their country
if you brought 2 of any item you could barter down the price.

Irrelevant to how fast the checkouts are.

are yuo talking about audi checkouts ?.
Lasre light travels mat the same speed in aldi as any other
supermarket.

But it makes a big difference how quickly the stuff is presented to the
scanner.

My local shop is far faster than aldi is or any other supermarket I go
into.
But that's down to the number of customers and till points open.

That isn't what is being discussed.

So what is being discussed the speed of the hands of the till person
working

More strictly how quickly they get all the items scanned and in the output
trolley.

If theres an output trolley the time I was there there was no such thiking.
I and the 2 peole in front had baskets NOT trolleys, and the person behind me didn't have a trolly or a basket.


or how fast you can get in and out of teh store ?

That too, particularly that they have enough checkouts open so you don't
have too wait for long before your stuff is done by the checkout person.

thats a problem I've found with lidle aldi and asda not enough checkouts open.
Lots there but few staffed.

Most end up in a queue and the speed of the checkout
girl is rarely the main factor, it's how long the person in
front of you takes to pack their products into the bags.

Much more often the main factor is how many checkouts
are open.

Last time I walked out of asada they had a 15 checkout store with 4 in use.
With at least 5 in each queue it didn't really matter how fast the checkout girl was the service was slow.

In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Saturday, 25 April 2015 07:48:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message

(of course, some people do manage to pack the bags properly at the
checkout.

Yeah, I do.

But they take a long time,

I don't.

and that's what slows the whole queue).

I don't. I pack the bags as fast as the checkout droid runs them thru the
checkout.

Just a few posts above you said
"I personally use self checkouts whenever I can. "

The other things I find slow queuses down is actually paying,
not eveyone is quick with putting in the PIN of the card, then there's getting the reward points then the little slips of paper receipts and offers, then cashback, or the older person sorting out their change or getting chanage. The scanning in is usually the quickest part by far.

What I find in the cheaper places, are the 2-5 kids arounfd the trolly asking mum/dad for sweets and teh parent having to say no and replacing the sweets back on the shelf and the kids sitting in the trolleys.

On 27/04/15 12:33, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.


And it takes external flavours well - it'll marinade in lemon, chilli,
soy - or anything else. Or maybe eat with with some dip?

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 25 April 2015 07:48:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message

(of course, some people do manage to pack the bags properly at the
checkout.

Yeah, I do.

But they take a long time,

I don't.

and that's what slows the whole queue).

I don't. I pack the bags as fast as the checkout droid runs them thru the
checkout.

Just a few posts above you said
"I personally use self checkouts whenever I can. "

And that is obviously talking about when I can't use a self checkout,
stupid.

The other things I find slow queuses down is actually paying,

Yes, some fools still use cash.

not eveyone is quick with putting in the PIN of the
card, then there's getting the reward points then
the little slips of paper receipts and offers,

We mostly aren't actually stupid enough to do it like that.

then cashback, or the older person sorting
out their change or getting chanage.

Yes, those should be summarily executed.

The scanning in is usually the quickest part by far.

Not with a full trolley.

What I find in the cheaper places, are the 2-5
kids arounfd the trolly asking mum/dad for
sweets and teh parent having to say no and
replacing the sweets back on the shelf and
the kids sitting in the trolleys.

Don't see much of that myself, but that is because I mostly
do the supermarket run before the brats are around.

On 27/04/2015 12:33, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.

Slice it thinly, then fry in sunflower oil while adding soy sauce. Who
needs bacon?

Cheers
--
Syd

On Monday, 27 April 2015 13:22:18 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 25 April 2015 07:48:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message

(of course, some people do manage to pack the bags properly at the
checkout.

Yeah, I do.

But they take a long time,

I don't.

and that's what slows the whole queue).

I don't. I pack the bags as fast as the checkout droid runs them thru the
checkout.

Just a few posts above you said
"I personally use self checkouts whenever I can. "

And that is obviously talking about when I can't use a self checkout,
stupid.

Why can't you use one ? Sainsbury where I go have a queue of at least 20 for those checkouts.


The other things I find slow queuses down is actually paying,

Yes, some fools still use cash.

Still a fact lots of older shoppers use cash. I rarey use cash and often asked for cashback for those plkacxes where I use cash.
Those 'fools' that don't use cash still have to insert their card then the PIN then the reward card, then remove CC. It's not that much faster if any to use a card because I have to stopm packing m,y goods in order to use the card.
Usually I'd just hand over the £20 note and carry on packing I don't accept the change until I finish packing.


not eveyone is quick with putting in the PIN of the
card, then there's getting the reward points then
the little slips of paper receipts and offers,

We mostly aren't actually stupid enough to do it like that.

So you're stupid enough to do it diferntly then well done.


then cashback, or the older person sorting
out their change or getting chanage.

Yes, those should be summarily executed.

I'd prefer if they shopped at differnt times.


The scanning in is usually the quickest part by far.

Not with a full trolley.

makes no differnce how full the trolly is.
if yuo can wave product A past the laserts at 1 every second then what differnce does the number of items in the trolly make to the speed of scanning?



What I find in the cheaper places, are the 2-5
kids arounfd the trolly asking mum/dad for
sweets and teh parent having to say no and
replacing the sweets back on the shelf and
the kids sitting in the trolleys.

Don't see much of that myself, but that is because I mostly
do the supermarket run before the brats are around.

I do mostly, I almost always shop after 5pm.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
The other good tip is Cravendale milk - you can keep 4 x 1litre bottles
of that in the fridge and the stuff lasts for ages. Even when opened
it's then good for a week - bloody amazing stuff.

Yes, the supermarkets have now managed to convert the customers to
sterilised milk. When you actually get to taste fresh milk, you remember
how milk ought to taste.

I'd guess you've never tasted sterilised milk. Otherwise you'd know the
norm is pasteurised - a very different thing.

--
*I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:15:18 +0100, Chris French wrote:

As part of getting themselves sorted out, Tesco are reducing the number
of lines they stock, in part by reducing the number of brands of a typr
of product.

Yes, they seem to be dropping the things we buy...

I guess it's one of those situations where you don't really notice until
ot affects the articular products you buy

E.G. they have stopped stocking kingsmill stuff, and have thus managed
to negotiate a better deal with Hovis - hence the 78p Hovis loaves they
stock now. similar things with their different own brand of stuff

Is there a bog standard medium sliced wholemeal Hovis to replace the
Tesco own brand bog standard medium sliced wholemeal that they used
to stock and is it 40p, as such a bread is in Aldi?

I don't think the intention is to replace their own brands with the
branded stuff sio much. Tesco White and Wholemeal sliced bread sells
for 40p (in our local Tesco express anyway)


--
Chris French

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I've had some kind of fake cream cheese stuff made based on Tofu that
was ok, but no generally not.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.

Yes plain is rather bland, but it marinades well .

The smoked ones tend to have a good savoury flavour - I don't like the
current Cauldron one so much, but Waitrose sell a nice one with added
sesame seeds and stuff

--
Chris French

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:06:21 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 27/04/15 05:23, MM wrote:

Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)



You need to get thee to a chinese restaurant - proper tofu is yummy

You can cook it in soup, deep fry it (though I doubt your doctor had
that in mind). They even do a red tofu which is their version of black
pudding!

Sorry, but your menu hasn't persuaded me! (I've just had a delicious
crabmeat and creamed corn soup from a local Chinese takeaway, so the
thought of tofu as an alternative doesn't exactly fill me with
enthusiasm.)

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:33:54 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.

All the ones I tried from the tins my BIL sent me tasted bland. I gave
all the unopened tins to a niece who is a committed veggie.

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:49:51 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 27/04/15 12:33, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.


And it takes external flavours well - it'll marinade in lemon, chilli,
soy - or anything else. Or maybe eat with with some dip?

Yeah, but what's so good about it if it needs added flavours to taste
of anything? And anyway, it wasn't just the lack of flavour I queried
at the time (when the tins arrived), but also the texture. Just didn't
'fit' somehow.

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:29:27 +0100, Syd Rumpo
wrote:

On 27/04/2015 12:33, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
MM writes:
Since this thread seems to draw in a lot of interesting comments
unrelated to DIY, I'd love to hear others' experiences of eating and
specifically tofu. After my heart bypass op in 2013 my BIL, a doctor
in Hamburg, suggested I go vegetarian and eat lots of tfu. He even
sent me several tins of tofu-based spreads, all of which were totally
disgusting, The Germans are really in to their health food, but tofu?
Yuk! (I'm still not sure whether he was taking the pi...)

I like tofu, although the thought of a tofu spread is not
appealing to me at all.

I first had it cubed as part of a mixed salad in the US many
years ago. Try buying a block of it. Plain might be too bland
for you, but it comes with various added flavours too.

Slice it thinly, then fry in sunflower oil while adding soy sauce. Who
needs bacon?

Cheers

Well, no one NEEDS bacon, but you have to admit it's pretty yummy
grilled till it's crispy. I'm not keen on flabby bacon cooked in the
skillet. All my bacon is grilled. However, I can't eat it too often
because of the saturated fat.

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:16:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Yes, some fools still use cash.

That's because it's quicker than cards. They're not fools.

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:19:22 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:19:12 +0100, MM wrote:

Even here there is a story to be told! At Aldi I buy either their Both
In One bread, which is a rip-off of Best of Both by Hovis. However,
Aldi also sell Kingsmill 50/50,

Normally get the Kingsmill 50/50 as that is what I'm told to buy.
Hovis Best of Both is not as nice and I agree. Is the Aldi Both in
One just a different wrapper on a Hovis Best of Both?

No. The Aldi version is slightly thicker and has 96 cals per slice
compared to Best of Both which has 87 cals per slice. I nearly always
eat my bread toasted, however, and I can't tell the difference.

BiO or 50/50, and the winner is always... not the price, but the use
by date! Sometimes (mostly, in fact), Kingsmill has a longer use by
date and I'll happily pay the extra 20 pence.

You pay attention to dates on food?

Absolutely. ALL the time. It's a religion with me.

So half a loaf would go in the
bin at Use By +1? With bread if it's not going green and furry it's
good enough for toast at the very least. B-)

No, no, I check the dates in order to decide which one to buy (may not
be bread; might be a completely different product). But I'm not going
to buy a loaf that has its use by date as the same day or one day
later. It has to have at least THREE days' useful life. If there are
one or two slices left over three days after the use by date, they go
on the bird table as breadcrumbs. If I can be bothered, I'll split a
loaf and put half in the freezer. But bread takes up a lot of space,
and the birds always make me chuckle.

MM

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlegq6dndMryKiNLqHInZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
The other good tip is Cravendale milk - you can keep 4 x 1litre bottles
of that in the fridge and the stuff lasts for ages. Even when opened
it's then good for a week - bloody amazing stuff.

Yes, the supermarkets have now managed to convert the customers to
sterilised milk. When you actually get to taste fresh milk, you remember
how milk ought to taste.

I'd guess you've never tasted sterilised milk. Otherwise you'd know the
norm is pasteurised - a very different thing.


Another subject you need educating about Dave? Your ignorance amazes me.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlegq6dndMryKiNLqHInZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
The other good tip is Cravendale milk - you can keep 4 x 1litre
bottles of that in the fridge and the stuff lasts for ages. Even
when opened it's then good for a week - bloody amazing stuff.

Yes, the supermarkets have now managed to convert the customers to
sterilised milk. When you actually get to taste fresh milk, you
remember how milk ought to taste.

I'd guess you've never tasted sterilised milk. Otherwise you'd know
the norm is pasteurised - a very different thing.


Another subject you need educating about Dave? Your ignorance amazes me.

Crikey. You've got me there gov. The normal milk you buy from a
supermarket is sterilised. Of course you don't say where that supermarket
is. You obviously live in some remote third world country without cows.

However, to show you what you're missing, here is a list of the milks
available in the UK.

http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=43

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:15:18 +0100, Chris French
wrote:

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes

It's also interesting that some items in Tesco have fallen to those
of Aldi in the last month or so and some lines have been dropped.
Tesco don't appear to stock *any* Kingsmill bread products now and
their own brand bread is now only available in "Everyday Value" form.


As part of getting themselves sorted out, Tesco are reducing the number
of lines they stock, in part by reducing the number of brands of a typr
of product.

E.G. they have stopped stocking kingsmill stuff, and have thus managed
to negotiate a better deal with Hovis - hence the 78p Hovis loaves they
stock now. similar things with their different own brand of stuff

If you're comparing, say, Hovis Best of Both with Aldi Both in One,
the latter was 55 pence yesterday at Aldi Spalding and weighs 800g.
The Hovis at 78p only weighs 750g.

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:44:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:03:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"MM" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

Yeah, well, DUH!

The whole point of self checkouts is that they don't cost
more than peanuts to run so they should have enough
so that there is always one free even at peak times.

So why don't they at Morrisons?

MM

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:01:08 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

You do need to press it for quite a while with moderate pressure to
get as much water out as possible.

Sounds absolutely delicious! Drip, drip, drip. (Was that the original
Chinese water torture?)

Four or five sheets of kitchen
roll on a plate, already drained tofo block, more kitchen roll,
another plate and all your scale weights, couple of pounds or so, on
top. Check after 15 mins change kitchen roll another 15 mins, check
etc.

Then pop to the shops 'cos you've run out of kitchen roll, and anyway,
the compact car isn't heavy enough to weigh down that tofu block.
You'll need at least a new Boris Routemaster with 10 people on the
platform. Meanwhile all the dinner guests have fainted from hunger.

MM

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlegq6dndMryKiNLqHInZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
The other good tip is Cravendale milk - you can keep 4 x 1litre
bottles of that in the fridge and the stuff lasts for ages. Even
when opened it's then good for a week - bloody amazing stuff.

Yes, the supermarkets have now managed to convert the customers to
sterilised milk. When you actually get to taste fresh milk, you
remember how milk ought to taste.

I'd guess you've never tasted sterilised milk. Otherwise you'd know
the norm is pasteurised - a very different thing.


Another subject you need educating about Dave? Your ignorance amazes me.

Crikey. You've got me there gov. The normal milk you buy from a
supermarket is sterilised. Of course you don't say where that supermarket
is. You obviously live in some remote third world country without cows.

Yup, not sure what Capitol is on about.

But you don't need to go to a third world country, just France. UHT milk
is the norm there in supermarkets, fresh pasteurised milk is sold, but
it's a tiny section in the chilled area compared the serried ranks of
plastic milk bottle in a UK supermarket

However, to show you what you're missing, here is a list of the milks
available in the UK.

http://www.milk.co.uk/page.aspx?intPageID=43


--
Chris French

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2015-04-27, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlegq6dndMryKiNLqHInZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
The other good tip is Cravendale milk - you can keep 4 x 1litre
bottles of that in the fridge and the stuff lasts for ages. Even
when opened it's then good for a week - bloody amazing stuff.

Yes, the supermarkets have now managed to convert the customers to
sterilised milk. When you actually get to taste fresh milk, you
remember how milk ought to taste.

I'd guess you've never tasted sterilised milk. Otherwise you'd know
the norm is pasteurised - a very different thing.


Another subject you need educating about Dave? Your ignorance amazes
me.

Cravendale is not sterilised.

And as Dave says, sterilised milk tastes completely different from
pasteurised.

So you're the ignoramus.


First time I ever tasted it was on moving to London in the 60s. Landlady
had got a taste for it during WW2. I thought it disgusting.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Tim, the pasteurisation process was changed a few years ago to give
milk a longer shelf life. The result is that milk now has a sterilised
tang to it. Your palate has adjusted I suspect. The visible difference
is that there is no cream line formed in a bottle of milk, if you can
actually find milk in a bottle.

Given you're so confused about milk in general, sure you don't mean
homogenised? That is a process whereby the cream in the milk doesn't rise
to the top, but is kept in suspension throughout it. But it's hardly new -
been around for well over 50 years.

--
*I don't work here. I'm a consultant

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/04/15 17:39, Chris French wrote:

But you don't need to go to a third world country, just France. UHT milk
is the norm there in supermarkets, fresh pasteurised milk is sold, but
it's a tiny section in the chilled area compared the serried ranks of
plastic milk bottle in a UK supermarket

And this from the country that whines about pasteurising cheese!

Blimey....

On 26/04/2015 08:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

You're missing the point. An Aldi checkout operator can outperform by a
factor of 2 or 3 those at other grocers. Therefore they don't need as
many tills, or till operators.

In message , MM
writes
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:15:18 +0100, Chris French
wrote:

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes

It's also interesting that some items in Tesco have fallen to those
of Aldi in the last month or so and some lines have been dropped.
Tesco don't appear to stock *any* Kingsmill bread products now and
their own brand bread is now only available in "Everyday Value" form.


As part of getting themselves sorted out, Tesco are reducing the number
of lines they stock, in part by reducing the number of brands of a typr
of product.

E.G. they have stopped stocking kingsmill stuff, and have thus managed
to negotiate a better deal with Hovis - hence the 78p Hovis loaves they
stock now. similar things with their different own brand of stuff

If you're comparing, say, Hovis Best of Both with Aldi Both in One,
the latter was 55 pence yesterday at Aldi Spalding and weighs 800g.
The Hovis at 78p only weighs 750g.

I wasn't comparing anything in Tesco with anything in Aldi. (I rarely
shop in Aldi as we don't yet have a convenient one)

I was commenting on Tesco reducing the number of lines they stock
--
Chris French

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:39:42 +0100, Chris French wrote:

I don't think the intention is to replace their own brands with the
branded stuff sio much. Tesco White and Wholemeal sliced bread sells
for 40p (in our local Tesco express anyway)

Tesco wholemeal (75p/800g loaf) has gradually become like hens teeth
up here in the last few months. First it would be two or even three
empty crates, then back in the following week and for a few weeks but
by the end only two crates. Then it would disappear completely come
back but only a single crate. These days it's rarely even an empty
crate, even the "Stay Fresh" has gone. The "Everyday Value" is still
about.

Maybe we are too far from the bakery and dropping the price to Aldi
levels means it loses money?

--
Cheers
Dave.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 27 April 2015 13:22:18 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 25 April 2015 07:48:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message

(of course, some people do manage to pack the bags properly at the
checkout.

Yeah, I do.

But they take a long time,

I don't.

and that's what slows the whole queue).

I don't. I pack the bags as fast as the checkout droid runs them thru
the
checkout.

Just a few posts above you said
"I personally use self checkouts whenever I can. "

And that is obviously talking about when I can't use a self checkout,
stupid.

Why can't you use one ?

Because two of the supermarkets don't have any self checkouts, stupid.

Another one has just added them but doesn't open them when the
supermarket opens, presumably because they need an extra person
there and so they only open the self checkouts later when there are
more staff in the supermarket.

Sainsbury where I go have a queue of at least 20 for those checkouts.

Mine do at the busiest times. Which is stupid with the one
that has just added self checkouts, they only have 6 of them.

The other things I find slow queuses down is actually paying,

Yes, some fools still use cash.

Still a fact lots of older shoppers use cash.

I haven't noticed who mostly uses cash, mainly because
I use the self checkouts whenever that is possible.

I rarey use cash

I almost never do at a supermarket. The main exception is
that one of them doesn't accept a card below a minimum
transaction value, think its $5.

and often asked for cashback for those plkacxes where I use cash.

We don't do it that way. You get points on
the loyalty card that you can turn into cash
and vouchers you can scan instead of cash.

Those 'fools' that don't use cash still have to insert their
card then the PIN then the reward card, then remove CC.

Not with ours, you just tap the card on the terminal. No PIN.

It's not that much faster if any to use a card

Much faster here.

because I have to stopm packing
m,y goods in order to use the card.

I don't, the checkout droid puts the stuff in the
bags as they are scanned and I can use the card
to pay while the droid is still scanning stuff and
so there is no delay after all the stuff is scanned.

Usually I'd just hand over the £20 note and carry on
packing I don't accept the change until I finish packing.

Much more convenient to just tap the card on
the terminal while the stuff is still being scanned.

not eveyone is quick with putting in the PIN of the
card, then there's getting the reward points then
the little slips of paper receipts and offers,

We mostly aren't actually stupid enough to do it like that.

So you're stupid enough to do it diferntly then well done.

then cashback, or the older person sorting
out their change or getting chanage.

Yes, those should be summarily executed.

I'd prefer if they shopped at differnt times.

They mostly do the way I shop. I do the weekly supermarket
run just after the garage sales have ended, normally about
8am. Main problem is that one of the supermarkets that opens
at 7am doesn't have the self checkouts open that early.

The scanning in is usually the quickest part by far.

Not with a full trolley.

makes no differnce how full the trolly is.

Corse it does. It obviously takes longer
to scan all the stuff in a full trolley.

if yuo can wave product A past the laserts at 1 every
second then what differnce does the number of items
in the trolly make to the speed of scanning?

It makes a different to the total time spend scanning, stupid.

And with our system which allows you to tap the card
on the terminal while the stuff is still being scanned,
the total time at the checkout is entirely determined
by how long you wait till its your time to be scanned,
and the total time to have all your stuff scanned.

There is no time to pack stuff because the droid
puts the stuff in the bags as they are scanned.

What I find in the cheaper places, are the 2-5
kids arounfd the trolly asking mum/dad for
sweets and teh parent having to say no and
replacing the sweets back on the shelf and
the kids sitting in the trolleys.

Don't see much of that myself, but that is because I mostly
do the supermarket run before the brats are around.

I do mostly, I almost always shop after 5pm.

Like I said, I mostly do it before 8am.

There are certainly plenty of brats around after about 4pm.
Quite a few appear to pick up the kids from school and do
the shopping run on the way home etc.

MM wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Yes, some fools still use cash.

That's because it's quicker than cards.

Like hell it is than the most recent tap&pay cards
where you don't even need to enter a PIN, just
tap the card on the terminal. And with the best
of the checkouts, you can do that while the stuff
is still being scanned, don't need to wait until
the total value is known.

No farting around with the change or counting
what the droid gets handed either.

They're not fools.

Corse they are.

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"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:03:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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"MM" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued
well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

Yeah, well, DUH!

The whole point of self checkouts is that they don't cost
more than peanuts to run so they should have enough
so that there is always one free even at peak times.

So why don't they at Morrisons?

Too stupid to do something that basic.

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2015 08:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:21:43 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 25/04/2015 10:40, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:39 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

I personally use self checkouts whenever I can.

The Aldis I frequent don't have them.

More fool Aldi.

No, more fool the other chains.

No need, as the checkouts are faster
anyway than any self-checkout.

You don't frequent Aldis very much do you. The checkout operators are
like lightening. I'm happy to stand in a line there knowing that the
goods on the belt will be placed back in the trolley in a near flash.

Last time at Morrisons, I counted 13 people in my queue and it took 10
minutes just to get to the till. The self-service side was queued well
into an isle.

Exactly.

Only because they don't have enough self checkouts, stupid.

You're missing the point.

Nope.

An Aldi checkout operator can outperform by a factor of 2 or 3 those at
other grocers.

I don’t believe that. Yes, they are faster but not that much faster.

Therefore they don't need as many tills, or till operators.

But if they had a clue they would have self checkouts
that don’t need anything like as many staff as tills do.