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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to
post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Hell its a crap shoot if you buy from Homier tools in person at the
traveling tool sales, yet alone by phone or internet. I am sure you will eventually get yout lathe, but when is anyones guess. If they are out, and the next shipment is still being loadedon a boat in China somewhere, it could be a looooooooooooooong time. I would keep trying until you get them or call a number that is not a sales number or 1-800 type number, and demand your credit card be credited back with the amount. Its not right for them to charge the card until the merchandise ships. I don;t know if its illegal to do that, but a call to your credit card company would tell you. Its bad business practice to charge a card and not have the goods to ship. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wifes, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Try calling (219) 356-9477 or sending a FAX to (219) 356-4358 to see if you
get a response. If you don't get satisfaction you can always dispute the charge on your credit card. By law, the CC company must immediately credit back your account while they investigate (As long as it's a credit and not a debit card). Only problem with that is that I'm sure you'll lose your place in line for a lathe when one comes in. I'd recommend being patient. You'll really enjoy your lathe when it gets there and all of you aggravation will fade away... Or, you could spend $500 and get one from Grizzly in 2-3 days. Robert "Michael David Lay" wrote in message om... I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Try calling (219) 356-9477 or sending a FAX to (219) 356-4358 to see if you
get a response. If you don't get satisfaction you can always dispute the charge on your credit card. By law, the CC company must immediately credit back your account while they investigate (As long as it's a credit and not a debit card). Only problem with that is that I'm sure you'll lose your place in line for a lathe when one comes in. I'd recommend being patient. You'll really enjoy your lathe when it gets there and all of you aggravation will fade away... Or, you could spend $500 and get one from Grizzly in 2-3 days. Robert "Michael David Lay" wrote in message om... I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Michael David Lay wrote:
I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. I have a suggestion. As poor as their service is, I still don't think you should hassle them. Their alternative is to sweep up a lathe off the floor and send it to you, just to shut you up. If I were you, I'd hang tight, ask them to pick out a nice one from the next batch and order some tooling from Enco. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Another handwringing cheapskate from that 7 X 10 mini lathe group- These
guys post on endlessly about buying one for 299.99 or 314.95 and then make a big drama if the thing does't show up exactly on schedule. Once in their hands they scrutinize the thing like it was a 500,000 CNC mill and moan about backlash, flex, runout and everthing else that no reasonable person would criticize in a machine that costs about as much as a family Thanksgiving day dinner. Hey guys, if you want quality and service step up and pay the price- if you are a bottom feeder worrying over the 15.00 price difference get real and stop the moaning. "Michael David Lay" wrote in message om... I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
In article k.net, turnitdown
says... Another handwringing cheapskate from that 7 X 10 mini lathe group- These guys post on endlessly about buying one for 299.99 or 314.95 and then make a big drama if the thing does't show up exactly on schedule. Once in their hands they scrutinize the thing like it was a 500,000 CNC mill and moan about backlash, flex, runout and everthing else that no reasonable person would criticize in a machine that costs about as much as a family Thanksgiving day dinner. Fair's fair though, they shouldn't charge the card till it ships. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
"turnitdown" wrote in message thlink.net...
Hey guys, if you want quality and service step up and pay the price- if you are a bottom feeder worrying over the 15.00 price difference get real and stop the moaning. I have never had any problem with Homier service, and I know what I'm buying for that price. What you can't argue with, the machine does what it's supposed to do, serving the purpose for which I bought it. It ain't no Hardinge, but I didn't pay for one either. More important is the guy with his hands on the controls. Fortunately ignorance can be cured. Unfortunately, arrogance usually can't. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Here's the thing, I was very excited about getting my lathe, and very
irritated when I wasn't getting it. Not having a lathe, I figured I could at least whine about not having a lathe. Maybe you are used to getting tragic customer service, I am not. None the less, I was pretty clear about the fact that I know there are issues when shopping for the cheapest. I also thought I mentioned that part of the reason I bothered to write was I had not read other stories about problems, and figured I would offer up mine. What precisely is your issue? I assume you have a lathe, yet have nothing better to do then get your panties in a wad over my shipping issues? Seriously....ease up on the alcohol, deal with your rage issues, and for God's Sake....stay away from sharp objects and firearms. To everyone else, thanks for your feedback. I still can't get through to Homier, and I haven't bothered to try the direct numbers you gave me. I will probably just wait it out because I don't want a 7x10 lathe for $329, nor do I want a 7x12 lathe for $499. For the record....I am absolutely a cheapskate, and have never spent $300 on Thanksgiving Dinner. Thanks, M. "turnitdown" wrote in message thlink.net... Another handwringing cheapskate from that 7 X 10 mini lathe group- These guys post on endlessly about buying one for 299.99 or 314.95 and then make a big drama if the thing does't show up exactly on schedule. Once in their hands they scrutinize the thing like it was a 500,000 CNC mill and moan about backlash, flex, runout and everthing else that no reasonable person would criticize in a machine that costs about as much as a family Thanksgiving day dinner. Hey guys, if you want quality and service step up and pay the price- if you are a bottom feeder worrying over the 15.00 price difference get real and stop the moaning. "Michael David Lay" wrote in message om... I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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Michael David Lay writes:
Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Tell them to refund your money (or, put in a card dispute) and order it from Harbor Freight. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Richard J Kinch wrote in message ...
Michael David Lay writes: Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Tell them to refund your money (or, put in a card dispute) and order it from Harbor Freight. Time to inject a little reason here. I have, out of my now nine lathes, the Speedway in question. I'm happy with it, it does fine for smaller stuff, and on the small stuff is a lot more convenient than either of my 12 inchers. No, it isn't going to run precision stuff out of the box, you've gotta make it do that. Meaning for saving the money, you've gotta do some work. Take the burrs off everything, clean it well, make sure there are no chips sticking inside that will raise hell later, and it will work just fine. I have had zero problems dealing with Homier. I've bought a few items from them, not much, and when I ordered the $7 angle grinder, I wasn't expecting a Milwaukee. Which is good, because I didn't get one either. For the money, it works. Add on a couple of bucks for one surplus ball bearing and it works quite well. Yeah, it gets hot after a while, but for $7 only a fool is going to expect an industrial grade tool. You bought junk, and that's what you got. Sad fact is that it does what I expect it to do, and I also expect it to get hot after a while. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that not everyone expects a Hardinge toolroom lathe for $300. It's worth waiting for, it's not 2 inches longer than the HF, It's four inches longer. Finely finished, smooth and polished? Don't count on it, it's a little rough, but that's where you use labor to replace money. It's quite solid and heavy, and MIcroMark has a wealth of attachments for it at fairly reasonable prices. Don't lose your temper, just have a little patience. It'll get there, you haven't been ripped off. |
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3-15-04 ordered lathe- didn't arrive immediately- big panic, pacing floor
3-17-04 lathe shipped my prediction- 3-24-04 lathe arrives- scratch in paint- big panic- pacing floor "Michael David Lay" wrote in message om... Update: The lathe did ship, and truthfully it should arrive well within their alloted 7-10 business days for delivery. So, was I being reactive? I don't know, I never really minded having to wait for my item, and would have been quite content if someone had just answered one of my numerous inquiries and told me either "it would ship soon", or "it was being loaded from China, expect to see it in two months". Thanks, m. (Michael David Lay) wrote in message . com... I am sure others have experienced similiar problems, but I want to post my story because I did my homework, did the research, to watch out for this exact situation. I decided I wanted a lathe, did some looking around, a lot of reading, checked out the very EXCELLENT www.mini-lathe.com, and ordered my Homier 7x12 Mini Lathe for $299, plus $63 in shipping. That was last Wednesday. Thursday morning my order shows some pending status, the money had been charged to my card...gone, no longer in my possession, in Homiers hands. Thursday afternoon my order shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, good...we are on track. Friday morning, still waiting to be picked up, same that afternoon. Finally I called to find out what the hold up was, and after a very long wait on hold, the lady explained it was waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex, thanks, but I knew that. I wanted to make sure, so I asked, "is it on backorder?". No, it should go out today she says. All weekend, still shows waiting to be picked up by Fed Ex. Monday comes, and suddenly my order shows the item on Backorder! Odd, my payment to them wasn't back ordered, they had my money, I had no indication from them that there would be a problem, but now there was. I started calling to find out when it might not be on back order, the line was busy, called again, busy, again, busy...you get the idea. Called again, it rings....I spend a long time on hold, then....I got to voice mail, so I can leave a message for someone to call me back. That's irritating, I thought. Left a message, left my cell number, no call back. Called again, same thing, waited a long time on hold, just so I could leave a message....give me a break! Did I mention, I sent some e-mails through the customer service section of their website while I was spending all this time on hold. Did I get a response? Nope. Now, I have no lathe, they have my money, they apparently don't want to talk to me to either give my money back or at least tell me when I might get the friggin lathe. Look, I live in the middle of no where, so mail order is my only real option, and I am not naive, I don't expect stellar customer service when shopping for the best deal in town. I don't really even mind having to wait longer for the lathe, it was after all $29 dollars cheaper then the closest competitor. I realize that to sell this cheaply they can only afford a staff of 2.3 people for their entire operation, and their order server is a souped up Commodore 64, but geez..... I did find one post that talked about this problem from a cached post from Homiers own forum. This was from a year ago, and their response was that the problem should be fixed in their new system by 3rd quarter 2003. I think they did not make that deadline. So, just wanted to know if others had experienced this problem, and if anyone new when I might get my lathe? Sorry for the length of this post, but as I don't have my lathe yet I don't have anything to do but complain. P.S. I just checked again, and the status of availability for this lathe on their website has gone from good to limited. That is an understatement. |
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I have the Homier lathe and when it arrived it had some damage from
shipping.There was no outward signs of damage to the crate and when I called Homier they sent replacement parts with no questions asked.Parts arrived in less than a week at no charge.I have purchased many items from them with no problems.Your best bet is to buy at their traveling tool sales done across the US.Get on their email list of sales in your area. |
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"Rex B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:35:12 -0500 (EST), (ED ROGERS) wrote: ||I have the Homier lathe and when it arrived it had some damage from ||shipping.There was no outward signs of damage to the crate and when I ||called Homier they sent replacement parts with no questions asked.Parts ||arrived in less than a week at no charge.I have purchased many items ||from them with no problems.Your best bet is to buy at their traveling ||tool sales done across the US.Get on their email list of sales in your ||area. those guys do get around. I'm in DFW and they been circling the area for about 6 weeks now, 2 sales per week. Get there early the first day if possible, because the good stuff sells out. You will still find plenty to spend money on. It doesn't actually run out, they're just too lazy to get more out of the truck. Joel. phx Rex in Fort Worth |
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"In Commerce" wrote in message ...
It doesn't actually run out, they're just too lazy to get more out of the truck. Pretty easy to tell someone that's never been to one of their sales. Homier doesn't bring in any more than their display. You get a slip and take it to their truck, where they get it and you pick it up. Engage brain before opening mouth, lazy twit. |
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"Lennie the Moron " wrote in message om... "In Commerce" wrote in message ... It doesn't actually run out, they're just too lazy to get more out of the truck. Pretty easy to tell someone that's never been to one of their sales. Homier doesn't bring in any more than their display. You get a slip and take it to their truck, where they get it and you pick it up. Nope, never. Oh, they only bring out one of each,... right. Except all those extra drill presses and drill/mills they had next to the mini-mill. Engage brain before opening mouth, lazy twit. Means a lot coming from a moron. Lazy twit would be the guy running the traveling circus that would rather leave it on the truck than sell it. Joel. phx |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
The local Homier sales are held about a mile from my house, every few
months. I go to every one. I went to one last weekend, and every item was brought out from the truck and placed on the sales floor to be sold, and the items were restocked on the floor as they sold out. There is, however, another travelling outfit called Cummins that uses the clipboard/sample/get from the truck/ shopping method when in town. RJ -- "You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me, instead of you." "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message om... "In Commerce" wrote in message ... It doesn't actually run out, they're just too lazy to get more out of the truck. Pretty easy to tell someone that's never been to one of their sales. Homier doesn't bring in any more than their display. You get a slip and take it to their truck, where they get it and you pick it up. Engage brain before opening mouth, lazy twit. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
"Backlash" wrote in message ... The local Homier sales are held about a mile from my house, every few months. I go to every one. I went to one last weekend, and every item was brought out from the truck and placed on the sales floor to be sold, and the items were restocked on the floor as they sold out. There is, however, another travelling outfit called Cummins that uses the clipboard/sample/get from the truck/ shopping method when in town. It's also possible they do it different in different towns or with different crews. The first one I went to I believe was Homier and all the display was along the sides, with the small stuff in the middle. Behind a rope was boxes and boxes of large equipment. The second one they had several open and behind the displays, but weren't willing to fetch one when the display was missing parts "you can call the 1-800 number". One show I went to was at a hotel and only seemed to have the smaller stuff and one each of the larger items. I don't recall if that was Homier or not, but same 'quality' of stuffs. I didn't know enough about them at the time to buy any of the big ticket items. Tuesday a HarborFreight opened about a mile away. I stopped by because they sent me a 10% off coupon. The lines were along the exterior walls and into the back room. Didn't need anything that bad, but it's nice to have it close, when something breaks.... Joel. phx Quick search on Cummins tool show: http://www.cumminstools.com/ Don't see any machining tools... RJ -- "You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me, instead of you." I know what it is you saw "Lennie the Loser" wrote in message |
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Yea, they vary here depending on where they set up. If the truck is buy
itself they don't bring everything out. But if it's part of a big sale at the fairgrounds they unload it all. So it ain't the same everywhere. Funny how people small some people think. I guess that's why I get turned around everytime I walk into a Menards, the layout isn't exactly the same from store to store...but Home Depot seems to be the same. So for the smarty guy that said, "Engage brain before opening mouth, lazy twit." don't expect that what happens in your town is the same in everybody else's. "Backlash" wrote in message ... The local Homier sales are held about a mile from my house, every few months. I go to every one. I went to one last weekend, and every item was brought out from the truck and placed on the sales floor to be sold, and the items were restocked on the floor as they sold out. There is, however, another travelling outfit called Cummins that uses the clipboard/sample/get from the truck/ shopping method when in town. RJ -- "You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me, instead of you." "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message om... "In Commerce" wrote in message ... It doesn't actually run out, they're just too lazy to get more out of the truck. Pretty easy to tell someone that's never been to one of their sales. Homier doesn't bring in any more than their display. You get a slip and take it to their truck, where they get it and you pick it up. Engage brain before opening mouth, lazy twit. |
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"Joel the terminally ignorant" had a brain fart and it caused his ass
to spew: Nope, never. Oh, they only bring out one of each,... right. Except all those extra drill presses and drill/mills they had next to the mini-mill. Depends on how much room they have, the amount of room dictates their operating method. Back to the trash with you. Lazy twit would be the guy running the traveling circus that would rather leave it on the truck than sell it. Maybe you should spend a few days working with them and then tell us how lazy you are. It's stupid jerks like you that are so willing to say everyone else is lazy, when you're the one that doesn't want to stir one of your well petrified muscles. they don't get paid to wheel you around on a cart so you don't have to find out what your feet are for. Your ass is for sitting on, and being as you're all ass.... |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
"Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message m... "Joel the terminally ignorant" had a brain fart and it caused his ass to spew: Nope, never. Oh, they only bring out one of each,... right. Except all those extra drill presses and drill/mills they had next to the mini-mill. Depends on how much room they have, the amount of room dictates their operating method. Back to the trash with you. Lazy twit would be the guy running the traveling circus that would rather leave it on the truck than sell it. Maybe you should spend a few days working with them and then tell us how lazy you are. It's stupid jerks like you that are so willing to say everyone else is lazy, when you're the one that doesn't want to stir one of your well petrified muscles. they don't get paid to wheel you around on a cart so you don't have to find out what your feet are for. Your ass is for sitting on, and being as you're all ass.... Nice rant, feel better? I'm sorry, I didn't realize you worked for them. I didn't say -everyone- is lazy, just you and your co-workers who have more time for "shop talk" than helping people (see it's possible to insult without resorting to swear words). Number of stitches indeed. I must not have hit the apply button, my fault. It's amazing that you can *lurk* for 1/2 a day and not even post metal content? That's only time mom will let you on the computer? I was guessing 14, but since you're working more like 17. Guessing dad left and mom works long hours? Though you might look into the definition of a 'lurker' and your posting stats. Perhaps when you grow up you can get into a shop where they use real equipment and discuss completing projects and tight schedules instead of your idea of "shop talk" which is really just insulting people you've never met. And poorly done at that. If you're not looking for a heart-attack by 40, I suggest asking a doctor about an anger-control medicine such as Prozac or Wellbutrin. But instead you'll just respond with another post containing vulgarities and what you believe are 'hurtful' comments. Have a nice life. Joel. phx |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ...
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you worked for them. I didn't say -everyone- is lazy, just you and your co-workers who have more time for "shop talk" than helping people (see it's possible to insult without resorting to swear words). I'm very sorry about your tender feelings, tenderfoot. Pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath. You blew it again, and I have every indication that blow is all you've ever done. Stuff it. I don't work for any of them, fact is, after 44 years in the shops, I called it quits. BTW, there's 1000% more chance that your mother is lady of the night than mine, as long as you want to go to right wing lows. Number of stitches indeed. That speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge of metalworking, and the mannerisms we use. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a rough business, one that forgives very few mistakes, and for your own safety, you'd better find something that you can understand and reason. I'm getting the feeling you're about as dense as they make them, even for a right winger. (That's easy to tell too, you're entirely too familiar with the brain poisons you wish everyone had to take, as you do.) Take your router and do what you want, nobody gives a ****, and you might win a Darwin award for it. |
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"But instead
you'll just respond with another post containing vulgarities and what you believe are 'hurtful' comments." Well, I got that one right. Were you this angry and bitter the whole 44 or just since retiring? Joel. phx I fail to understand the point of bracketing people on their 'political views' (not a very good troll). That seems to be a fondness of this group and somehow meant to insult? Was this a big part of your 'shop talk', or is it just an old age type of thing? Just so I have a point of reference, is Gunner left or right? Maybe I will be hurt,... "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message om... "Joel Corwith" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, I didn't realize you worked for them. I didn't say -everyone- is lazy, just you and your co-workers who have more time for "shop talk" than helping people (see it's possible to insult without resorting to swear words). I'm very sorry about your tender feelings, tenderfoot. Pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath. You blew it again, and I have every indication that blow is all you've ever done. Stuff it. I don't work for any of them, fact is, after 44 years in the shops, I called it quits. Tooo funny. Anybody care? |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ...
Were you this angry and bitter the whole 44 or just since retiring? And who but you says I'm angry and bitter? I'm very intolerant of total idiots, like you. Classifying someone as lazy without having any knowledge in their jobs is stupid, arrogant, and relegates you to the trash can. I fail to understand the point of bracketing people on their 'political views' Right wingers are soooooo transparent, all they do is parrot what their owners want them to. YOu like to put people in pigeonholes, it's a right wing thing, but cry like babies when you find that we put you in your own pigeonhole. Tough, you're the master of nothing. You suggest a shrink and their filthy chemistry, you're a right wing whacko, and use much of the stuff yourself. You show disdain for working people, you're a right wing whacko. You think you're above others, you're a right winger. THose are common traits that I've never seen in anyone but a right winger, and you all have them. I talk here like I talked in the shop, and as everyone else in the shop spoke the same language, we understood each other quite well. Understanding is something you have not, and will never have. Find something you're more fit to do, like shelling peanuts. |
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"Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message
om... "Joel Corwith" wrote in message ... Were you this angry and bitter the whole 44 or just since retiring? And who but you says I'm angry and bitter? Several of the replys to your posts. Read your language, it's CLEAR your angry and bitter. Or just an asshole. I'm very intolerant of total idiots, like you. Name calling lefty. I see you truly like to pigeon hole people. Based on your definition of right winger, you're really a right winger. Classifying someone as lazy without having any knowledge in their jobs is stupid, arrogant, and relegates you to the trash can. Finally! Thank you **** head. It must take all of your imagination to understand a roadshow worker's job. I fail to understand the point of bracketing people on their 'political views' Right wingers are soooooo transparent, all they do is parrot what their owners want them to. YOu like to put people in pigeonholes, it's a right wing thing, but cry like babies when you find that we put Did *I* pigeon hole someone as a lefty right, or working class? No, I recognized the ranting of a loser and posted as such. Whether you fit in with your demented idea of the other members of those groups is irrelevant (big word, sorry). you in your own pigeonhole. Tough, you're the master of nothing. You suggest a shrink and their filthy chemistry, Just like I would suggest someone see a doctor for arthritis. But don't take that 'filthy chemistry' when you can't walk. The problem with a mental handicap is often the person doesn't recognize it, as you obviously don't. you're a right wing whacko, and use much of the stuff yourself. You show disdain for Bad guess lefty. Working with persons such as yourself makes it obvious when you post. working people, you're a right wing whacko. You think you're above Not "working people", just mental assholes like you. Most of the "working people" I work with aren't arrogant little asses. See another example of you saying "people" and me saying "YOU". Why is it you keep claiming *I* pigeon hole people when it's *YOU* that keep throwing out these groupings? others, you're a right winger. THose are common traits that I've never seen in anyone but a right winger, and you all have them. Pigeon holing, superior arrogant attitude, derogatory comments, I guess that makes *YOU* the right winger. I talk here like I talked in the shop, and as everyone else in the So you were an asshole then too. I get it. Joel. phx shop spoke the same language, we understood each other quite well. Understanding is something you have not, and will never have. Find something you're more fit to do, like shelling peanuts. |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ...
Finally! Thank you **** head. It must take all of your imagination to understand a roadshow worker's job. Most of which is done before they have to let the driveling ****heads like you in and then have to wipe your noses for you. Did *I* pigeon hole someone as a lefty right, or working class? No, you classified them all as "lazy", and spent the rest of the time displaying your total ignorance. However, ratface, I've got your number, original thought isn't something you do, you just parrot. Just, before you start calling others lazy, look at yourself for the ultimate example. Of that, you are one of the best, anything else, no. Stuff your attitude where it belongs, right beside your head in your ass. I've been around all my life without you, you can safely be ignored. You are simply not needed, nothing to worry about, and nobody to even listen to. I didn't get in the position I'm in today by listening to ****heads. |
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"Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message m... "Joel Corwith" wrote in message ... Finally! Thank you **** head. It must take all of your imagination to understand a roadshow worker's job. Most of which is done before they have to let the driveling ****heads like you in and then have to wipe your noses for you. Right, because selling product is not the job of the show, their job is to drive the truck up and not help customers. Apparently you support the government mentality "LUNCH, sorry window closed till 2, you can wait in line till then". Oh sorry, did I insult another one of your group's 'working class'? Did *I* pigeon hole someone as a lefty right, or working class? No, you classified them all as "lazy", and spent the rest of the time displaying your total ignorance. You're right. I was so focused on your angry, hateful, rage ridden reply that I completely overlooked clarifying that when I said "they" I did not mean the entire working class of the free world. Clearly the morning crew was not lazy as he was more than happy to get it off the truck (no, those were here yesterday too). By the way, do you lefties consider the 'working class' the guys leaning on shovels, or the guy digging? Pays the same, doesn't matter? However, ratface, I've got your number, original thought isn't something you do, you just parrot. I'm sorry, didn't know you were the god who decided who had the right to speak, should we email it first to clear it with you? Just, before you start calling others lazy, look at yourself for the ultimate example. Of that, you are one of the best, anything else, no. Omniscient no less (sorry, nother big word). Stuff your attitude where it belongs, right beside your head in your ass. I've been around all my life without you, you can safely be ignored. You are simply not needed, nothing to worry about, and nobody to even listen to. Seems others feel the same of your postings. They call classify it an "abrasive personality", I call it being an 'asshole'. I didn't get in the position I'm in today by listening to ****heads. Can't hear yourself then, huh? Joel. phx |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ...
I didn't get in the position I'm in today by listening to ****heads. Can't hear yourself then, huh? I can hear myself quite well. Much more so than I can hear you, and you might as well be the sound of urine in the toilet. I listen to my chihuahua's, but you don't have anything nearly as intelligent as they do. One last thing Mr. "so far right that you couldn't see the middle with the Hale telescope", I'm neither left nor right, although the right wing seems to be far the worse of the two bad choices. Must really have bugged you that I could hit it as accurately on my first reading. It's not hard to do, you all parrot the same tune, and it sucks badly. I've worked all my life for what I have now, even though it may not be the course you would have chosen. I have what I have because I don't listen to the "better ideas" (NOT!!!) of the right wing, and I did what was best for me. I don't give a **** what you do, or how it turns out. You're of no consequence. I don't follow your ideals, I have my own which I doubt that you could live up to. |
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"Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message
om... "Joel Corwith" wrote in message ... I didn't get in the position I'm in today by listening to ****heads. Can't hear yourself then, huh? I can hear myself quite well. Much more so than I can hear you, and You're still listening. You MUST be the ****head. you might as well be the sound of urine in the toilet. I listen to my chihuahua's, but you don't have anything nearly as intelligent as they do. Chihuahua. That speaks volumes Mr My ideals are better than everyone else's. One last thing Mr. "so far right that you couldn't see the middle with the Hale telescope", I'm neither left nor right, although the right wing seems to be far the worse of the two bad choices. Must really have bugged you that I could hit it as accurately on my first reading. It's not hard to do, you all parrot the same tune, and it sucks Boy, you are a stupid asshole at that. When did I parrot anyone's 'tune'. I could tell from your responses to other people that you're an asshole. That's no political position. I'm sure it's just a condition of your environment since you're stupid enough to believe that type of crap. Searching back I see you bashing Gunner so I assume that would be Right and you Left. Since I trash the OT subjects and the only 'issue' with Gunner is pro-gun I assume you're an anti-gun nut. Is that why you want to restrict comments on rcm, you hate the US Constitution? "Hang it in your ass, lane, nobody likes a net-nazi" Nice, very nice. Speaking of net-nazi assholes.... badly. I've worked all my life for what I have now, even though it may not be the course you would have chosen. I have what I have because I don't listen to the "better ideas" (NOT!!!) of the right wing, and I did what was best for me. Sniff, sniff, I'm sooooo sorry you've had to listen to people your whole life, that is such a crying shame. And I bet you watch news and politics on TV and read all the OT topics here just so you can have something to BITCH about. blah blah blahblahbhbbh. Course -I- would have chosen? I could only aspire to be 1/2 the ass you are. You can keep calling me right winger, I really have no idea what it means. One group likes guns, one not. One group likes abortion, one not, one group believes what's written in the constitutions, one not. One group is represented by Republicans the other Democrats? Which one of each of these things is "right winger"? I don't give a **** what you do, or how it turns out. . That's twice you've said that DING!! dumb ****, because obviously you do. Thought you were going to "trash me". Instead you need to continue being an asshole. How *what* turns out? You know if you had 1/2 a clue you could add me to a filter right now, but you won't DING!! dumb ****. You know what, if you don't want to read "how it turns out" you don't have to read the freakin post! DING!! Dumb ****. Notice I'm not saying DON'T READ IT, I'm saying YOU HAVE THE CHOICE. Obviously you'll reply with some dumb ass statement and I'm looking forward to it. Your handle contradicts your actions. DING!! Dumb ****. You're of no consequence I see you want that censorship job again. Someone complains about OT posts and you're the asshole in charge. You want to speak with your ass and that's just fine. I get it, sorry I forgot to ask before posting Lord Asshole. I don't follow your ideals, I You have no idea my "ideals", but you're too big a lazy ass to get that. And get this, I don't give a **** what "ideals" you do follow, lefty. have my own which I doubt that you could live up to. Try as I might I don't think I could as big an ass as you. I wouldn't want to anyway. Joel. phx Wait, one more post from the asshole calling me a righty and how I don't matter,... commmming up. Oh, and just for the record I do believe in 'arms' ownership,... and no, 'arms' does NOT mean pistols and rifles. |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ...
Chihuahua. That speaks volumes Mr My ideals are better than everyone else's. Spoken like someone that has never been around one long enough to know what they are like. I don't have any problems with any dog, can't say the same for their owners. Is that why you want to restrict comments on rcm, you hate the US Constitution? Sorry dipwad, but I did my time in "defense" of the same document. You're following a typical right wing whacko line of reasoning. "Hang it in your ass, lane, nobody likes a net-nazi" Nice, very nice. Speaking of net-nazi assholes.... In true right wing manner, no context. Sorry dingbat, you lose that one too. Right wingers is soooooo predictable! Sniff, sniff, I'm sooooo sorry you've had to listen to people your whole life, that is such a crying shame. Sitting on nine lathes, two mills, three surface grinders, and four drillpresses, as well as a pretty good set of instruments, mostly Starrett, Brown and Sharp, I don't really think I could cry much. Had I paid any attention to your kind, it is doubtful that I would have any of them, much less know how to use them. And I bet you watch news and politics on TV TV is a right wing obcession, I don't have one, won't allow it in my house. Sorry, your score is now minus 5000. You can keep calling me right winger, I really have no idea what it means. It means that you're spoon fed the bull**** that our illegal "president" is trying to dish out. Any one that can read at all can see that your tactic is the same as his, the truth is out, defame the exposer if you can. You know if you had 1/2 a clue you could add me to a filter right now, but you won't DING!! dumb ****. If you had two functioning brain cells, you would know that Google doesn't allow a kill filter. Pipe that up your ass and into your head. Your handle contradicts your actions. DING!! Dumb ****. My handle originated in a group that you probably don't even know exists, and that I have since found out that to be one of them is a disgrace, although I scrambled for three years to be in their number. Unlike you, I do learn. I also don't regret turning my back on the $7000 bucks I spent and walking away from them. Best decision I ever made. You're of no consequence As we used to say on alt.aviation.safety, "we love our loons." Keep it up, loon. Flame wars with the terminally stupid are nothing new to me, and I do enjoy them. (That's why I sometimes hunt on the predominantly conservative, or right (wrong)wing groups. No shortage of loons available.) |
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Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Sitting on nine lathes, two mills, three surface grinders, and four drillpresses, as well as a pretty good set of instruments, mostly Starrett, Brown and Sharp, I don't really think I could cry much. Had I paid any attention to your kind, it is doubtful that I would have any of them, much less know how to use them. Sounds like you're one of those capitalist pigs, sitting on the resources the the working class needs a share of. Weren't you the one talking about how private property should be abolished? TV is a right wing obcession, I don't have one, won't allow it in my house. Sorry, your score is now minus 5000. If you had a TV, you would know that most of the programing and news is far left of center, and as critical of Bush as it can get without being obvious. Unfortunatly, the internet is undercutting the monopoly. |
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Offbreed wrote in message ...
Lennie the Lurker wrote: Sitting on nine lathes, two mills, three surface grinders, and four drillpresses, as well as a pretty good set of instruments, mostly Starrett, Brown and Sharp, I don't really think I could cry much. Had I paid any attention to your kind, it is doubtful that I would have any of them, much less know how to use them. Sounds like you're one of those capitalist pigs, sitting on the resources the the working class needs a share of. Weren't you the one talking about how private property should be abolished? No, you're putting words in my mouth that only the gummer has attributed falsely to me. The other hard fact is that goddam few of you wouldn't have stuck your snouts in the air and let most of them go to the compactor. TV is a right wing obcession, I don't have one, won't allow it in my house. Sorry, your score is now minus 5000. If you had a TV, you would know that most of the programing and news is far left of center, Surrrre they are. How far right did you say you were? THey created a fourth dimension so they could accomodate you? You're certainly far to radical to fit this three dimensional universe. You'd fit right in with rush "druggie" limbaughahahah. He doesn't have any concept of reality either. and as critical of Bush as it can get without being obvious. And the stupid son of a bitch has earned every bit of it. IF the dumb ******* would quit lying, quit acting like he has the capability to think, and just drown himself, the world would be a much better place. He's a disgrace to himself, his family, and the American people, not to mention the human race and he should appologize to the universe for filthing it up. bu$hco has no place in a position that he can decide anything for anyone, even himself. |
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Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Offbreed wrote in message ... Sounds like you're one of those capitalist pigs, sitting on the resources the the working class needs a share of. Weren't you the one talking about how private property should be abolished? No, you're putting words in my mouth that only the gummer has attributed falsely to me. The other hard fact is that goddam few of you wouldn't have stuck your snouts in the air and let most of them go to the compactor. Nope. I was arguing with a zero property type last year about the same time we were arguing about something else. Got the two of you confused. Sorry. Hmmm (google, google, google), yeah. "Robbly the wobbly". (The workers should own the tools. And how many people YOU know would set aside resources to replace the tools with when they wear out?) If you had a TV, you would know that most of the programing and news is far left of center, Surrrre they are. How far right did you say you were? THey created a fourth dimension so they could accomodate you? You're certainly far to radical to fit this three dimensional universe. You'd fit right in with rush "druggie" limbaughahahah. He doesn't have any concept of reality either. What do Limbo and ACLU have in common? One never sees dayligh during his show and the other is allergic to crosses. You might not agree with what's on the tube, but it sure is biased left. Or, as Eric Hoffer said in "True Believer", when an extremist is far enough in one direction, he becomes indistinguishable from extremists in the other. Nope. What I'm seeing on the tube is an attempt to support one style of statism, one that is compatible with what calls it's self "left" or "liberal". and as critical of Bush as it can get without being obvious. And the stupid son of a bitch has earned every bit of it. IF the dumb ******* would quit lying, quit acting like he has the capability to think, and just drown himself, the world would be a much better place. He's a disgrace to himself, his family, and the American people, not to mention the human race and he should appologize to the universe for filthing it up. bu$hco has no place in a position that he can decide anything for anyone, even himself. I think he is doing wrong things, but what I think he is doing wrong is not what the "liberals" say he is doing wrong. As a result, I often appear to be a supporter of his. What especially irks me is people criticising Bush for things that Clinton did more of, and they either defended or praised Clinton for doing. Or, repeating those criticisms originated by the Clinton supporters. Looks like Clinton did not do as much damage as he might have with what he did is because he was a lazy SOB. Otherwise, the US would be headed down the tubes just like Argentina did under Perron. |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Offbreed wrote in message ... Nope. What I'm seeing on the tube is an attempt to support one style of statism, one that is compatible with what calls it's self "left" or "liberal". You are seeing what you want to see, nothing more or less. You also follow in the normal right wing line, if one is not right wing, he must be left wing, there is no middle of the road. I'm sorry, but I vote for the party that will do me the LEAST harm, and that is never the right wing. I don't worry about the whims and wheedles of the people with six or more figure incomes, or about the corporations, they pay people to do the worrying for them. I'm more worried about me and mine than I am about the spoiled haploid offspring of those that think they know what's best for me. What's good for the 5% at the top is NOT good for the 95% of us not in the top. I think he is doing wrong things, but what I think he is doing wrong is not what the "liberals" say he is doing wrong. As a result, I often appear to be a supporter of his. And again, "Disagree with the GWeeB and you're a liberal." Either suck his ass daily or be called liberal. Did you ever notice that republican and reprehensible have the same first three letters? One means the other. What especially irks me is people criticising Bush for things that Clinton did more of, It doesn't bother you that the GWeeB has taken a huge budget surplus and turned it into a debt that will take many generations to pay off? And for nothing more than a hillbilly ego trip? And how, in your right wing extremist world, are you going to PAY for his ego trip? The money has to come from somewhere, and the only legal way our government has is with taxes. Taxes that will now be paid for many years to pat little georgie on the ass and tell him that he's an asshole. The right wing doesn't want any taxes, but I take that to mean no taxes for the rich, more taxes for everyone else. You complain about social programs, they cost too much, but blow many times that amount for a little adventure in Iraq, where the GWeeB will never put his worthless ass. You **** and moan about "tax and spend" liberals, then come up with the brilliant "borrow and spend". You **** and moan when the taxpayer wants something for the dollars we send to the GWeeB, but only because you want to give more breaks to the corporations, so they don't have any tax liability. As more and more of them are now headquartered or owned someplace other than the US, that makes a lot of sense, "lets hurry up and send everything to someplace else." The GWeeB is on the hotseat now, the same old tactic will be used, smear the squealer. I _like_ squealers, the president should never be off the hotseat, doesn't matter which party he belongs to. He is supposed to be accountable to the people that he's supposed to represent, not set himself up as another dictator. He's supposed to uphold law and order in this country as a primary function, not as an afterthought when the money giving is all done. Laws are supposed to be made by congress, not the president, and especially one that is not legally in the office. IF he's lying, and the GWeeB has no other way of life, he should be called on it, and demanded to justify his actions. He cannot, so he will not allow it. Which is why he's going to follow his failure father down the same failure tube. (Actually, george the first wasn't really all that bad, but he accomplished exactly nothing. george the second has to measure his accomplishments in negative numbers.) The failure, total and complete, of the right wing is staring you in the face, and you refuse to see it. I don't know what's wrong with me today. I actually agree with about half of what Lenny said (: |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
Offbreed wrote in message ...
Nope. What I'm seeing on the tube is an attempt to support one style of statism, one that is compatible with what calls it's self "left" or "liberal". You are seeing what you want to see, nothing more or less. You also follow in the normal right wing line, if one is not right wing, he must be left wing, there is no middle of the road. I'm sorry, but I vote for the party that will do me the LEAST harm, and that is never the right wing. I don't worry about the whims and wheedles of the people with six or more figure incomes, or about the corporations, they pay people to do the worrying for them. I'm more worried about me and mine than I am about the spoiled haploid offspring of those that think they know what's best for me. What's good for the 5% at the top is NOT good for the 95% of us not in the top. I think he is doing wrong things, but what I think he is doing wrong is not what the "liberals" say he is doing wrong. As a result, I often appear to be a supporter of his. And again, "Disagree with the GWeeB and you're a liberal." Either suck his ass daily or be called liberal. Did you ever notice that republican and reprehensible have the same first three letters? One means the other. What especially irks me is people criticising Bush for things that Clinton did more of, It doesn't bother you that the GWeeB has taken a huge budget surplus and turned it into a debt that will take many generations to pay off? And for nothing more than a hillbilly ego trip? And how, in your right wing extremist world, are you going to PAY for his ego trip? The money has to come from somewhere, and the only legal way our government has is with taxes. Taxes that will now be paid for many years to pat little georgie on the ass and tell him that he's an asshole. The right wing doesn't want any taxes, but I take that to mean no taxes for the rich, more taxes for everyone else. You complain about social programs, they cost too much, but blow many times that amount for a little adventure in Iraq, where the GWeeB will never put his worthless ass. You **** and moan about "tax and spend" liberals, then come up with the brilliant "borrow and spend". You **** and moan when the taxpayer wants something for the dollars we send to the GWeeB, but only because you want to give more breaks to the corporations, so they don't have any tax liability. As more and more of them are now headquartered or owned someplace other than the US, that makes a lot of sense, "lets hurry up and send everything to someplace else." The GWeeB is on the hotseat now, the same old tactic will be used, smear the squealer. I _like_ squealers, the president should never be off the hotseat, doesn't matter which party he belongs to. He is supposed to be accountable to the people that he's supposed to represent, not set himself up as another dictator. He's supposed to uphold law and order in this country as a primary function, not as an afterthought when the money giving is all done. Laws are supposed to be made by congress, not the president, and especially one that is not legally in the office. IF he's lying, and the GWeeB has no other way of life, he should be called on it, and demanded to justify his actions. He cannot, so he will not allow it. Which is why he's going to follow his failure father down the same failure tube. (Actually, george the first wasn't really all that bad, but he accomplished exactly nothing. george the second has to measure his accomplishments in negative numbers.) The failure, total and complete, of the right wing is staring you in the face, and you refuse to see it. |
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In article , Lennie the Lurker
says... The GWeeB is on the hotseat now, the same old tactic will be used, smear the squealer. This can't go on indefinitely. The administration screwed Plame because her husband squealed. Next chance it gets, the CIA takes the opportunity to give some back, and blurts out the fact that audio recordings of that meeting exist. It's a small world, you can't screw your co-workers forever without it coming around to nip you on the ass. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
On 27 Mar 2004 19:37:37 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Lennie the Lurker says... The GWeeB is on the hotseat now, the same old tactic will be used, smear the squealer. This can't go on indefinitely. The administration screwed Plame because her husband squealed. Next chance it gets, the CIA takes the opportunity to give some back, and blurts out the fact that audio recordings of that meeting exist. It's a small world, you can't screw your co-workers forever without it coming around to nip you on the ass. Jim Yup.. Clinton found that out. On a related note..visa vis the co-workers..too bad so many of them wound up dead or out of work. The poor ******* who ran the White House Travel Office was a prime example. So is Linda Tripp. Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Kathleen Wiley's husband...quite a list. Gunner "As physicists now know, there is some nonzero probability that any object will, through quantum effects, tunnel from the workbench in your shop to Floyds Knobs, Indiana (unless your shop is already in Indiana, in which case the object will tunnel to Trotters, North Dakota). The smaller mass of the object, the higher the probability. Therefore, disassembled parts, particularly small ones, of machines disappear much faster than assembled machines." Greg Dermer: rec.crafts.metalworking |
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HOMIER Lathe Order Problems, customer service dept. MIA...
jim rozen wrote in message ...
This can't go on indefinitely. The administration screwed Plame because her husband squealed. Next chance it gets, the CIA takes the opportunity to give some back, and blurts out the fact that audio recordings of that meeting exist. It doesn't have to go on indefinitely, if some of these are not sorted out, there is a good chance that the damage will be done before the facts are really known, if they ever are. Chances of what's on those tapes being known by the public are exactly zero, nada, zilch. The same old crap will continue, if it's going to be damaging to the president, and it doesn't matter which side he comes from, suddenly "national security" would be put at risk if it became public knowledge. My thoughts on the matter, if it's going to be damaging to the president, it SHOULD be public knowledge. For an analogy, when one decides to run for that office, his life should become a glass house, and the windows should be top quality optical glass. If someone wants to "lead" the country, every act he does should be open to public scrutiny, and with high power glasses examining every breath he takes. His life before running should be examined closely, and from every possible direction. If there's a mark against him, it should be known BEFORE he's elected or allowed to run. A candidate should not be allowed to seal his military, civil, criminal or any other record from being examined closely by the people he's trying to convince. If something will be damaging to the president if it were known, that should be the lowest priority, or not even on the list. Far more important that the people he wants to "lead" know where he's leading us from, and where he wants to lead us to. So far, all I've seen is a lack of a direction he wants us to go in, no clear cut vision with a goal, and no means of accomplishing anything that is to the benefit of the rest of us. If it turns out that georgie girl lied to the country in his reasons for invading Iraq, he has disgraced not only himself, but the entire country in the process. His reasons become only excuses, and very weak ones at that. |
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