On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:15:16 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

FLUSH yet more of the endless senile drivel

On 08/08/2020 03:47 PM, wrote:
I haven't been to Chicago recently but I have spent a lot of time
there and like most northern cities, they are the most segregated in
the country.
Most of the segregation is actually economic but that tends to break
out along racial lines because of the education problem. Illiterate
parents tend to have illiterate kids.
Covid and forcing home schooling will only make that worse but nobody
seems to care.


I haven't been there since the '80s but in South Boston there were very
well defined lines. A black person didn't wander into a paddy bar unless
they were extremely stupid and vice versa. As far as school busing,
Selma had nothing on Boston.

I think the landscape has changed but NYC was the same. Harlem, Spanish
Harlem, watch where you wandered.

On 08/08/2020 03:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/8/2020 12:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers
said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!

What happens then? The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton


Or just maybe 14 year olds will stop having babies so they "get
their
OWN check" .

14-year-olds don't have the judgment to make that decision. In
the absence of strong societal pressures to not engage in premarital
sex, they'll have out-of-wedlock babies any.

In the presence of strong societal pressures to not engage in
premarital sex, it will still happen albeit not as frequently.
I am the product of such a birth.


I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the
fact that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting jobs.
The problem in Chicago are largely based upon economic differences
resulting from systemic racism. Anyplace where populations are poor
are going to have more crime. And anyplace where a population is
prosecuted because of their race is going to have more arrests,, more
convictions, more unemployed ex-cons, and more poverty resulting. And
therefore more crime. You don't break the loop by arresting more poor
people. That just continues it.


Not to disagree, but what is the solution? How do you break the loop?

The problem goes back a long ways. Blacks moved to the northern cities
from the south for the opportunities. Then the opportunities dried up
but they stayed.

If you read 'The Jungle' it wasn't any picnic for Lithuanian immigrants
either. Sinclair finished the book by holding up the carrot of socialism
but most eastern Europeans made other arrangements.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:31:42 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:40:49 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.** I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

No you are not reading for content.

Of course I am. You're words were ambiguous. Don't blame me.

Your words, "That is a union problem", are easily read as "That's not my
problem. That's a problem for the union and they will have to handle
it."

But I accept that you meant, "The union is the problem."

The union protects that activity.
I am OK with getting rid of public service unions and making cops (or
any other government worker) responsible for their misdeeds.

Instead of getting rid of them**, how about negotiating with them on
this point, as they do on other issues. So they can be fired for lying
on police reports

**Are you against unions in general, or just police unions?

person for anything. Maybe they should fire educators who lie on
diplomas and say people actually "passed" high school.

Big difference.

Yeah one affects thugs who fight with the cops, the other affects
society as a whole because we will end up supporting those illiterate
"high school graduates" who were "socially promoted".

LOL

On 2020-08-08 09:24, Bob F wrote:
I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the fact
that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting jobs.

What absolute utter narrative bull****. Two guys
apply for the same jobs: black and white. The black
guy gets the job if he is even remotely close to the
qualifications of the white guy.

I have lost a job before for being white. Thank
you General Dynamics. And I kow this
to be a fact as the guy trying to hire me told
me so and he was black. I had worked for him in
the Air Force. I would have loved to work for
him again. He was the real deal. Ther was
noting he could do and he argued the point
fiercely.

Larry Elder worked in personnel when he was younger.
He rips your stupid narrative to pieces.

On 2020-08-08 10:19, wrote:
Maybe if they actually graduated high school and learned something and
were not simply being promoted by age, they would be more employable.
The thug culture does not place much value in that.

It doesn't help that racist white liberals keep
telling minorities that they can't possible succeed
because the white man is keeping them down. So
don't try and rely on our handouts instead and be
sure to vote for us

On 2020-08-08 03:36, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!

What happens then? The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton

Oh my goodness. Let the idiocy continue for the
Children's Sake! What a crock.

Easy again.

Give those receiving the subsidies a year of jobs training
to get their **** together (no money if they don't show or
goof off), then have social services watch them for a
year or so. They mistreat their kinds, throw the full
force of the law at them, including losing their kids
and jail time.

Oh and drag them before a family court. Reveal the
father(s) or go to jail to 30 days repeatedly until
they do.

Once the fathers have been identified (DNA test),
slap the fathers with mandatory child support.

On 2020-08-08 14:56, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/8/2020 12:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers
said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

On 2020-08-08 15:07, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 11:24 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers
said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

On 8/8/2020 3:40 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.


If you find yourself being arrested for passing funny-money and you have a lot of previous frequent flyer miles at the penitentiary, you might want to be polite to the police officer. Fighting with the police never turns out well for any skin color.

Go peacefully then call your attorney.Â* Get it?

On Sat Aug 8, 2020 at 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.

Our generation had glass meth pipes & crack pipes. I wonder what the present generation has?

On 8/8/2020 3:25 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:57:31 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 8/7/2020 8:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131


That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?Â* Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in the UK
could grow suspect.
You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.
Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.

A good start would be to rescind all those gun control laws . Let the
average citizen have guns too so they are equally armed . Criminals
ain't going to chance getting shot by an irate victim ... I know for a
fact that being armed has saved my ass a couple of times - and I didn't
even have to take it out of the holster , just the fact that they knew I
was armed was a deterrent .
That reminds of something I heard a long time ago. "A redneck with a gun"
is redundant.

How many black-on-black shootings in Chicago this week?

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:35:56 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 02:12 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 3:20:12 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

They did both.

I've been rereading Charles Beard's history of the US. Beard fell oit of
favor some time ago and certainly isn't woke enough for today. He made
the observation that the preliminary drafts of the 13th Amendment
actually guaranteed slavery in perpetuity in those states where it was
legal, the Emancipation Proclamation only pertaining to the states in
rebellion. Charles Sumner from MA led the fight to abolish slavery
altogether.

He's also famous for almost getting beaten to death by Brooks in the
Senate. Senate was a lot more amusing in those days. That made him sort
of a martyr.

Lincoln was lukewarm since he didn't want a hot potato on his hands, and
Congress wasn't entirely enthusiastic. Eventually the abolitionists got
the present text ratified.

That was Beard's cardinal sin as a historian. He focused more on the
power plays and economics that the high minded ideals that are the
popular interpretation today. The truth is the abolitionists were the
BLM and Antifa radials of the day as far as their contemporaries were
concerned.

I suspect capitalists north and south were worried that the US
agricultural and hence raw material industry would collapse without
slavery. The reality is, the economics did not change that much. A
large number of blacks just transitioned from being indentured slaves
to wage slaves and their life did not change that much. It is why I
think slavery itself could have withered on the vine and died from
it's own weight if rich northerners and europeans simply demanded it
by way of boycotting slave grown goods. Who knows what the south and
the plight of black people would have evolved to being without that
war.
In the 19th century the entire western world eliminated slavery and
the US was the only country that thought they needed to do it with a
war. We are the one with the problems. I don't think that is a
coincidence.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:15:16 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:55:35 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 06:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A single young woman I know worked with a number of Hispanics. They
could not understand why she didn't have a baby yet.

I don't have the data and am not going to research it but my impression
is Hispanics tend to form extended nuclear families. Big families, but
real families none the less.


That is true. I have a hispanic family living next to me and they are
reaching up, not reaching out for a handout (even in this Covid mess).
The kids are well supervised and seem well educated.
These are not rich people but they want to be. The American dream in
action. When I first met the guy he was detailing cars for Hertz. Now
he is the manager of the used car lot and he gets a taste of the
sales. I worry about Hertz but this guy will be OK.


Only anecdotal, but that's been my experience. The antics of the
narcotraficantes get all the press but most are just looking to get
ahead. Even the illegals come here and bust their asses in the fields
and factories chasing the dream like everyone else that came to America.

I was in LA during the Rodney King riots and some of the comments from
the guys I ran into would make David Duke sound like a flaming liberal.
I wonder how all the BLM stuff will play out with the Hispanic vote. I
doubt you can even say Brown Lives Matter without getting mobbed by the
SJWs.

As far as police discrimination I've spent enough time in southern AZ to
know how that works. I get waved through the checkpoints, brown people
get to meet the narcotics dogs, unload their cars, and generally get
hassled.


To a certain extent you need to understand cops work on production.
You don't make stats wasting time with people who are nit doing
something illegal.
Narco is a horrible example of that being a good thing tho.
Finding Julio with a joint in his sock is still a drug bust and goes
toward the stats. The drug war as a whole was a terrible experiment,
simply reaffirming what we learned in prohibition and it landed
hardest on blacks and hispanics.
The simple fact that a street guy with one 100mg crack rock has a
worse penalty than 28 grams of powder cocaine in a stock brokers
briefcase demonstrates that.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:23:20 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.


Yeah, but were they shooting each other? Unless they clog up the ER
nobody cares if they lay around the pad and get a good buzz on. They
aren't the ones making headlines with the weekend body count.


Stabbing was the thing in those days. A guy might have a .22 or .25
Saturday Night Special but it wasn't double stack Glocks.
The Democrats fixed that too. They promoted the term Saturday Night
Special in the 60s and assured the thugs were better armed by banning
them (Led By Feinstein and Boxer who also popularized "Ring of Fire"
gun)

You're right though. Even in an urban setting white trash tend to
disappear into the shadows where the lumpenproletariat have always
lived. Most of the ones I've known might have aspired to being career
criminals but were too dumb to pull it off.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:39:24 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/8/2020 12:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers
said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!

What happens then? The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton


Or just maybe 14 year olds will stop having babies so they "get
their
OWN check" .

14-year-olds don't have the judgment to make that decision. In
the absence of strong societal pressures to not engage in premarital
sex, they'll have out-of-wedlock babies any.

In the presence of strong societal pressures to not engage in
premarital sex, it will still happen albeit not as frequently.
I am the product of such a birth.


I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the
fact that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting jobs.
The problem in Chicago are largely based upon economic differences
resulting from systemic racism. Anyplace where populations are poor
are going to have more crime. And anyplace where a population is
prosecuted because of their race is going to have more arrests,, more
convictions, more unemployed ex-cons, and more poverty resulting. And
therefore more crime. You don't break the loop by arresting more poor
people. That just continues it.


Not to disagree, but what is the solution? How do you break the loop?

The problem goes back a long ways. Blacks moved to the northern cities
from the south for the opportunities. Then the opportunities dried up
but they stayed.

The second wave was on LBJ. He piled the welfare money up in the
cities and people flocked to it creating a mass of hard core
unemployables in some of the most expensive real estate in the
country. They would have been far better off spreading that welfare
money around the small towns where those people were, maybe even
encouraging some to leave the city.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:52:03 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:31:42 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:40:49 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

No you are not reading for content.

Of course I am. You're words were ambiguous. Don't blame me.

Your words, "That is a union problem", are easily read as "That's not my
problem. That's a problem for the union and they will have to handle
it."

But I accept that you meant, "The union is the problem."

The union protects that activity.
I am OK with getting rid of public service unions and making cops (or
any other government worker) responsible for their misdeeds.

Instead of getting rid of them**, how about negotiating with them on
this point, as they do on other issues. So they can be fired for lying
on police reports

**Are you against unions in general, or just police unions?

Government unions all of them. They get to negotiate from both sides
of the bargaining table. They have the power to sway local elections
then they get to demand terms from the people they got elected. That
is how our cities went broke and why it is really hard to fire people,
even when they commit crimes.

Regular unions have to compete in the global market place and good
luck to them these days.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sat Aug 8, 2020 at 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.

Our generation had glass meth pipes & crack pipes. I wonder what the present generation has?

Vape seems to be the thing these days with the suburban kids. The only
question is which drug they vape.
I suspect crack, smack and pot are still popular in town.
If Biff and Mandy want speed (usually Adderal) and downers
(Oxysumpin), Doctor Feel good will prescribe it and Dad's drug
insurance will pay for it.
Most states will sell you a pot card too.

On 8/8/2020 9:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 8/8/2020 3:25 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:57:31 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 8/7/2020 8:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?Â* Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in the UK
could grow suspect.
You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.
Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.

Â*Â* A good start would be to rescind all those gun control laws . Let the
average citizen have guns too so they are equally armed . Criminals
ain't going to chance getting shot by an irate victim ... I know for a
fact that being armed has saved my ass a couple of times - and I didn't
even have to take it out of the holster , just the fact that they knew I
was armed was a deterrent .
That reminds of something I heard a long time ago. "A redneck with a gun"
is redundant.

How many black-on-black shootings in Chicago this week?


The thing is , just about every "redneck" (**** you J Joyce) out here
is heeled most of the time . Kinda stupid going out in the woods unarmed
.. Why a wild bear/boar might try to eat you ! And for sure while I'm out
cutting firewood I like to keep a snake killer handy . Usually a hatchet
will suffice or that though , I mean , this ain't ****cago ...
--
Snag

On 08/08/2020 03:57 PM, wrote:
There are a few people paying lip service to BLM in Ft Myers but we
don't really have that many incidents to complain about. The police
chief is black and the FMPD was pronounced the most progressive PD in
Florida.

The city mayor is as left as they get and he just asked for MORE money
for the police department. Montana Democrats really need to form another
party. They don't march to the same drum as the coastal breed.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:35:56 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 02:12 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 3:20:12 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

They did both.

I've been rereading Charles Beard's history of the US. Beard fell oit of
favor some time ago and certainly isn't woke enough for today. He made
the observation that the preliminary drafts of the 13th Amendment
actually guaranteed slavery in perpetuity in those states where it was
legal, the Emancipation Proclamation only pertaining to the states in
rebellion. Charles Sumner from MA led the fight to abolish slavery
altogether.

He's also famous for almost getting beaten to death by Brooks in the
Senate. Senate was a lot more amusing in those days. That made him sort
of a martyr.

Lincoln was lukewarm since he didn't want a hot potato on his hands, and
Congress wasn't entirely enthusiastic. Eventually the abolitionists got
the present text ratified.

That was Beard's cardinal sin as a historian. He focused more on the
power plays and economics that the high minded ideals that are the
popular interpretation today. The truth is the abolitionists were the
BLM and Antifa radials of the day as far as their contemporaries were
concerned.

I suspect capitalists north and south were worried that the US
agricultural and hence raw material industry would collapse without
slavery. The reality is, the economics did not change that much. A
large number of blacks just transitioned from being indentured slaves
to wage slaves and their life did not change that much. It is why I
think slavery itself could have withered on the vine and died from
it's own weight if rich northerners and europeans simply demanded it
by way of boycotting slave grown goods. Who knows what the south and
the plight of black people would have evolved to being without that
war.

In the 19th century the entire western world eliminated slavery and the
US was the only country that thought they needed to do it with a war.

Depends on how you define a war. The way the US dealt with
the slave trade in the mediteranean and the way the english
dealt with the last of the slave trade from africa to the USA etc
was certainly war in a real sense.

We are the one with the problems.

Because of the much bigger number of slaves, stupid.

I don't think that is a coincidence.

It certainly is in the war sense.

On 08/08/2020 04:07 PM, Snag wrote:
Jump down from that soapbox Boob F . We lived in a mostly black
neighborhood , our kids went to school with black kids and my wife
taught in a mostly black school in the Arkansas Delta region . The one
recurrent theme we found was that most black kids don't do well in
school . Not from lack of talent or intelligence , but because of PEER
PRESSURE . Those black people that gave so much to give these children a
chance to succeed must be spinning in their graves at the way these kids
have thrown away all that they worked and sacrificed for .

We have the same problem with the Indians. When she was head of the
state education department Juneau fought against the whole No Child Left
Behind scam. She knew any school with Indian students was going to have
problems.

Juneau is an enrolled member of the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikara
Nations, and graduated from Browning High School which is on the
Blackfeet rez so she knows of what she speaks. She taught at Fort
Berthold, which is the Mandan rez and at Browning.

She got out of the culture but realized a lot of Indian kids aren't
going to make it. They're not stupid but the culture is the diametrical
opposite of the Asian Tiger Moms.

On 08/08/2020 07:00 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-08 15:07, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 11:24 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers
said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!

What happens then? The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton


Or just maybe 14 year olds will stop having babies so they "get
their
OWN check" .

14-year-olds don't have the judgment to make that decision. In
the absence of strong societal pressures to not engage in premarital
sex, they'll have out-of-wedlock babies any.

In the presence of strong societal pressures to not engage in
premarital sex, it will still happen albeit not as frequently.
I am the product of such a birth.


I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the
fact that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting
jobs. The problem in Chicago are largely based upon economic
differences resulting from systemic racism. Anyplace where
populations are poor are going to have more crime. And anyplace where
a population is prosecuted because of their race is going to have
more arrests,, more convictions, more unemployed ex-cons, and more
poverty resulting. And therefore more crime. You don't break the loop
by arresting more poor people. That just continues it.



Jump down from that soapbox Boob F . We lived in a mostly black
neighborhood , our kids went to school with black kids and my wife
taught in a mostly black school in the Arkansas Delta region . The one
recurrent theme we found was that most black kids don't do well in
school . Not from lack of talent or intelligence , but because of PEER
PRESSURE . Those black people that gave so much to give these children
a chance to succeed must be spinning in their graves at the way these
kids have thrown away all that they worked and sacrificed for .

A good strong father in the home wold greatly help that.

Also, let the parents chose their children's schools




We're three generations into the experiment. I doubt many families with
a good strong father are living in the 'hood anymore. That's another
part of the problem. The people who would be good role models get the
hell out.

On 08/08/2020 08:43 PM, wrote:
Stabbing was the thing in those days. A guy might have a .22 or .25
Saturday Night Special but it wasn't double stack Glocks.

It's that damn Austrian engineering. When you squeezed the trigger on
your Jennings .25 it was never clear which end on the exchange would
come off worse.

Glock had another effect. When the cops fell in love with Glocks the old
..38 revolvers got surplused. More than one of those wound up on the street.

On 08/08/2020 06:51 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-08 10:19, wrote:
Maybe if they actually graduated high school and learned something and
were not simply being promoted by age, they would be more employable.
The thug culture does not place much value in that.

It doesn't help that racist white liberals keep
telling minorities that they can't possible succeed
because the white man is keeping them down. So
don't try and rely on our handouts instead and be
sure to vote for us

That's another thing that may be coming full circle. In the '60s it
reached the point where blacks were telling the northern Jewish liberals
'We got this. You can go the hell home now.' Some of the BLM types are
a bit antisemitic too, especially those of the Somali Muslim persuasion.

The red diaper baby David Horowitz had his little epiphany when they
found what was left of Betty Van Patter when the Black Panthers got
through with her. Up until then the Panthers had been so cool and hip
that Horowitz had to introduce her to them when she was working at
Ramparts.

On 08/08/2020 07:20 PM, wrote:
On Sat Aug 8, 2020 at 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.

Our generation had glass meth pipes & crack pipes. I wonder what the present generation has?


Meth is still popular around here. Meth to take you up up and away, a
little fentanyl to smooth the rough edges, the time proven Floyd recipe.

On 08/08/2020 08:31 PM, wrote:
I suspect capitalists north and south were worried that the US
agricultural and hence raw material industry would collapse without
slavery. The reality is, the economics did not change that much. A
large number of blacks just transitioned from being indentured slaves
to wage slaves and their life did not change that much. It is why I
think slavery itself could have withered on the vine and died from
it's own weight if rich northerners and europeans simply demanded it
by way of boycotting slave grown goods. Who knows what the south and
the plight of black people would have evolved to being without that
war.

The real problem was tariffs. After 1812 the northern capitalists fought
for high tariffs to protect the fledgling industries. This was
detrimental to the southern planters who preferred to trade cotton for
cheaper British products. The 1832 Nullification Crisis was about
another bump in the tariffs in 1828. South Carolina was on the verge of
seceding but Jackson smoothed it over with a tariff reduction.

That had nothing to do with slavery but the problem remained simmering
away. The south preferred trading with Britain. Even before the onset of
the Civil War the north was blockading southern ports to try to force
the south into being a vassal state growing cotton for the northern
mills and buying their expensive goods.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 21:54:52 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 04:07 PM, Snag wrote:
Jump down from that soapbox Boob F . We lived in a mostly black
neighborhood , our kids went to school with black kids and my wife
taught in a mostly black school in the Arkansas Delta region . The one
recurrent theme we found was that most black kids don't do well in
school . Not from lack of talent or intelligence , but because of PEER
PRESSURE . Those black people that gave so much to give these children a
chance to succeed must be spinning in their graves at the way these kids
have thrown away all that they worked and sacrificed for .

We have the same problem with the Indians. When she was head of the
state education department Juneau fought against the whole No Child Left
Behind scam. She knew any school with Indian students was going to have
problems.

Juneau is an enrolled member of the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikara
Nations, and graduated from Browning High School which is on the
Blackfeet rez so she knows of what she speaks. She taught at Fort
Berthold, which is the Mandan rez and at Browning.

She got out of the culture but realized a lot of Indian kids aren't
going to make it. They're not stupid but the culture is the diametrical
opposite of the Asian Tiger Moms.

Around here the indians make a pretty good living just being indians
(~$8k a month). They can work in the casino and make more but few do.
They all ride around Naples in jacked up, tricked out, pickups with
free plates "native American" and date pale faced girls from what I
see.
The days of wrestling alligators and taking people on air boat rides
has been left to the redneck kids.
I am not sure if the Covid thing had cramped their style any tho. I
haven't been down there much lately.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 22:04:18 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 08:43 PM, wrote:
Stabbing was the thing in those days. A guy might have a .22 or .25
Saturday Night Special but it wasn't double stack Glocks.

It's that damn Austrian engineering. When you squeezed the trigger on
your Jennings .25 it was never clear which end on the exchange would
come off worse.

Glock had another effect. When the cops fell in love with Glocks the old
.38 revolvers got surplused. More than one of those wound up on the street.

I don't think I have ever heard of a gangsta with a wheel gun. They
want as many shots as they can get., It is easier than learning how to
aim ... but cops have the same problem these days. That is why you
have shootouts with 40 or 50 shots being fired and few hits other than
bystanders.
I have a Jennings 9 someone pretty much gave me but it is a POS. If I
still had the range in my basement I probably could tune it up but I
am not sure why I would.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 22:26:00 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 08:31 PM, wrote:
I suspect capitalists north and south were worried that the US
agricultural and hence raw material industry would collapse without
slavery. The reality is, the economics did not change that much. A
large number of blacks just transitioned from being indentured slaves
to wage slaves and their life did not change that much. It is why I
think slavery itself could have withered on the vine and died from
it's own weight if rich northerners and europeans simply demanded it
by way of boycotting slave grown goods. Who knows what the south and
the plight of black people would have evolved to being without that
war.

The real problem was tariffs. After 1812 the northern capitalists fought
for high tariffs to protect the fledgling industries. This was
detrimental to the southern planters who preferred to trade cotton for
cheaper British products. The 1832 Nullification Crisis was about
another bump in the tariffs in 1828. South Carolina was on the verge of
seceding but Jackson smoothed it over with a tariff reduction.

That had nothing to do with slavery but the problem remained simmering
away. The south preferred trading with Britain. Even before the onset of
the Civil War the north was blockading southern ports to try to force
the south into being a vassal state growing cotton for the northern
mills and buying their expensive goods.


People here ignore the function of Ft Sumpter in those blockades.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:27:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:40:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.

That is over sold. Harassed ie stopped more often, yes but being beat
up and killed usually follows resisting arrest.
Maybe if blacks were not over represented in the people committing
crimes the cops would not be as suspicious. Bikers get harassed too if
that is your standard.

You still don't get it.

On 09/08/2020 06:03, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:27:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:40:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.

That is over sold. Harassed ie stopped more often, yes but being beat
up and killed usually follows resisting arrest.
Maybe if blacks were not over represented in the people committing
crimes the cops would not be as suspicious. Bikers get harassed too if
that is your standard.

You still don't get it.

You're banging your head against a brick wall, Jim.

On 08/08/2020 08:59 PM, Snag wrote:
The thing is , just about every "redneck" (**** you J Joyce) out here
is heeled most of the time . Kinda stupid going out in the woods unarmed
. Why a wild bear/boar might try to eat you ! And for sure while I'm out
cutting firewood I like to keep a snake killer handy . Usually a hatchet
will suffice or that though , I mean , this ain't ****cago ...

I've never run into a rattlesnake on this side of the divide or a boar
but we do have two flavors of bears, one of which isn't too friendly,
and cats. I never had a problem with bears or cats but there's always
the first time.

On 2020-08-08 19:51, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:52:03 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:31:42 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:40:49 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

No you are not reading for content.

Of course I am. You're words were ambiguous. Don't blame me.

Your words, "That is a union problem", are easily read as "That's not my
problem. That's a problem for the union and they will have to handle
it."

But I accept that you meant, "The union is the problem."

The union protects that activity.
I am OK with getting rid of public service unions and making cops (or
any other government worker) responsible for their misdeeds.

Instead of getting rid of them**, how about negotiating with them on
this point, as they do on other issues. So they can be fired for lying
on police reports

**Are you against unions in general, or just police unions?

Government unions all of them. They get to negotiate from both sides
of the bargaining table. They have the power to sway local elections
then they get to demand terms from the people they got elected. That
is how our cities went broke and why it is really hard to fire people,
even when they commit crimes.

Regular unions have to compete in the global market place and good
luck to them these days.




1+

What Was FDRs Stance on Government Unions?

https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/gov...ernment-unions

Public sector unions insist on laws that serve
their interests -- at the expense of the common good

... a strike of public employees manifests nothing
less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct
the operations of Government until their demands are
satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of
Government by those who have sworn to support it, is
unthinkable and intolerable.

Teachers unions are at the top of the list

On 08/08/2020 10:45 PM, wrote:
Around here the indians make a pretty good living just being indians
(~$8k a month). They can work in the casino and make more but few do.
They all ride around Naples in jacked up, tricked out, pickups with
free plates "native American" and date pale faced girls from what I
see.

The Indians in Montana are pretty much ****ed. It isn't Vegas but most
gas stations have casinos with slots and video poker. I think they can
have live poker with some restrictions. Driving to the rez doesn't have
much attraction.

The Crows built a casino out near the Custer Battlefield to try for the
tourists. It was financed by a rich eastern tribe but I don't think it's
paying off.

The Assiniboine and Northern Cheyenne reservations are in the middle of
nowhere so they get nothing. I think the Cheyenne might have gotten some
work at Colstrip but the government is doing its best to put coal out of
business. The Sioux out at Fort Peck tried to get a bison slaughterhouse
going but I don't think that worked either.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 21:59:07 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 8/8/2020 9:27 PM, Roger Oveur wrote:
On 8/8/2020 3:25 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:57:31 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 8/7/2020 8:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?* Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in the UK
could grow suspect.
You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.
Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.

** A good start would be to rescind all those gun control laws . Let the
average citizen have guns too so they are equally armed . Criminals
ain't going to chance getting shot by an irate victim ... I know for a
fact that being armed has saved my ass a couple of times - and I didn't
even have to take it out of the holster , just the fact that they knew I
was armed was a deterrent .
That reminds of something I heard a long time ago. "A redneck with a gun"
is redundant.

How many black-on-black shootings in Chicago this week?


The thing is , just about every "redneck" (**** you J Joyce) out here

Hey, don't blame me. I heard that from one of the guys on that Blue Collar
Comedy Tour. I'm sure it was meant as a joke. Please put your panties back
on.

is heeled most of the time . Kinda stupid going out in the woods unarmed

I confess, I have no idea what heeled means in this context.


. Why a wild bear/boar might try to eat you ! And for sure while I'm out
cutting firewood I like to keep a snake killer handy . Usually a hatchet
will suffice or that though , I mean , this ain't ****cago ...

On 08/08/2020 10:49 PM, wrote:
I don't think I have ever heard of a gangsta with a wheel gun. They
want as many shots as they can get., It is easier than learning how to
aim ... but cops have the same problem these days. That is why you
have shootouts with 40 or 50 shots being fired and few hits other than
bystanders.


Even the OGs aren't old enough to know anything but Glocks but until the
cops started using them revolvers weren't much of a handicap. As you say
spray and pray wasn't the usual practice.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 06:06:59 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/08/2020 06:03, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:27:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:40:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.

That is over sold. Harassed ie stopped more often, yes but being beat
up and killed usually follows resisting arrest.
Maybe if blacks were not over represented in the people committing
crimes the cops would not be as suspicious. Bikers get harassed too if
that is your standard.

You still don't get it.

You're banging your head against a brick wall, Jim.

I think some people simply reach a time in their life when they've had
enough. Beyond that point, no new information is allowed in.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 00:37:46 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I've never run into a rattlesnake on this side of the divide or a boar
but we do have two flavors of bears, one of which isn't too friendly,
and cats. I never had a problem with bears or cats but there's always
the first time.

....babble, babble, babble... LOL

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 22:04:18 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


It's that damn Austrian engineering. When you squeezed the trigger on
your Jennings .25 it was never clear which end on the exchange would
come off worse.

Glock had another effect. When the cops fell in love with Glocks the old
.38 revolvers got surplused. More than one of those wound up on the street.

Oh, gosh ...**** off to some ng for endlessly blabbering seniles finally!
tsk