OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

"Ignoramus13886" wrote in
message ...
OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or
bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ng_better.html

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

The vast majority of victims of firearm related homicide are
criminals. In Boston between 1990 and 1994 some 75% of homicides were
individuals having a criminal record. In Philadelphia, the percentage
of those killed in gun homicides that had prior criminal records was
93% in 1996. In Richmond, Virginia, the risk of gunshot injury is 22
times higher for those males involved with crime.

So, who is committing the crimes? Or perhaps "where are the majority
of the crimes committed"?
--
cheers,

John B.

On 2015-10-29, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus13886" wrote in
message ...
OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or
bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ng_better.html




Very interesting. I am thinking, now, if the police stop pursuing drug
dealers, will tat increase or decrease crime? It almost amounts to a
stealthy decriminalization of drugs.

"Ignoramus25528" wrote in
message ...
On 2015-10-29, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus13886" wrote in
message ...
OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or
bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ng_better.html




Very interesting. I am thinking, now, if the police stop pursuing
drug
dealers, will tat increase or decrease crime? It almost amounts to a
stealthy decriminalization of drugs.

When I was in the Army in Germany in the early 1970's the excessive
zeal of civil rights lawyers destroyed discipline to the extent that
drug use became uncontrolled. Barracks inspections ceased so the
officers wouldn't have to see but ignore the punchbowls of hashish.
Heroin users walked around with their works in their shirt pockets.

The effect was surprisingly minimal, although examples from Army life
don't extend well to civil society. The 10 - 20% of us who make
everything happen continued to and the happy dopers mostly stayed out
of our way. Of course the military is functionally a dictatorial
communist society where everyone gets fed and paid regardless of how
much or little they contribute.

When required to prove they were addressing the issue the Army created
Drug Education Specialists, for which I was designated since my job
consisted of being available for a rare repair call and the classroom
was next to an airstrip.

The training consisted entirely of watching a grad student's films of
how various intoxicants reduce the blood flow through a frog's
transparent foot capillaries. His presentation was well prepared, I
could see how he BS'd his way into the paid jaunt to Europe.

He was NOT prepared for a soldier with a chemistry degree among a
class of those whose presence at home would not be missed.

-jsw

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 9:03:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

The vast majority of victims of firearm related homicide are
criminals. In Boston between 1990 and 1994 some 75% of homicides were
individuals having a criminal record.

"Gun suicides have increased from 57 percent of all firearm-related deaths"
------

The Washington Post says that: "There were 32,288 deaths from firearm violence in the United States in 2012, a rate that's remained relatively stable over the past few years. But since 2006, gun suicides have increased from 57 percent of all firearm-related deaths, according to research published this month in the Annual Review of Public Health."

-- http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...han-homicides/

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 10:23:23 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus13886 wrote:
OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

Anyone can hastily form a group. These groups come and go. More relevant is ANYONE owning a gun.
(because no one can foresee if they themselves will be killed with it first)

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i
Hey Iggy,
How can I email you directly?
Eric

On 2015-10-29, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i
Hey Iggy,
How can I email you directly?
Eric

ichudov AT gee - mail dot com

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Bad.


Would that save black lives?

No, it would probably end up in more lives lost (when the criminals
knew they would always get away with the crimes. But it would switch
deaths from the criminals (killed by cops) to the neighbors (killed by
the criminals). That's a bad thing, too.

-
To change one's self is sufficient. It's the idiots who want
to change the world who are causing all the trouble.
--Anonymous

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:09:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Bad.


Would that save black lives?

No, it would probably end up in more lives lost (when the criminals
knew they would always get away with the crimes. But it would switch
deaths from the criminals (killed by cops) to the neighbors (killed by
the criminals). That's a bad thing, too.

-
To change one's self is sufficient. It's the idiots who want
to change the world who are causing all the trouble.
--Anonymous

But you have to ask why they're intimidated. Is it because they're
used to ignoring the law, and now they're afraid they won't get away
with it?

There have been some good statements by high-level police officials
lately, to the effect that this video recording may finally be the
trick that enables something they've been trying to do for decades --
encourage professionalizing of the politce, and building a better
relationship with the communities they serve.

Meantime, there is going to be some blowback and overreaction. Let's
hope it works out positively, and soon.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 9:00:36 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:



But you have to ask why they're intimidated. Is it because they're
used to ignoring the law, and now they're afraid they won't get away
with it?


Meantime, there is going to be some blowback and overreaction. Let's
hope it works out positively, and soon.

--
Ed Huntress

I think it is because they do not believe there can be a positive benefit from getting out of their car. They feel that the suspect might shoot them and that whatever they do may be reported as harassment. If the suspect does pull a gun and the police shoot, then they are likely to end up out of a job and indited for unreasonable force. So just stay in the car and drive on.

Dan

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:32:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 9:00:36 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:



But you have to ask why they're intimidated. Is it because they're
used to ignoring the law, and now they're afraid they won't get away
with it?


Meantime, there is going to be some blowback and overreaction. Let's
hope it works out positively, and soon.

--
Ed Huntress

I think it is because they do not believe there can be a positive benefit from getting out of their car. They feel that the suspect might shoot them and that whatever they do may be reported as harassment. If the suspect does pull a gun and the police shoot, then they are likely to end up out of a job and indited for unreasonable force. So just stay in the car and drive on.

Dan

Except that hasn't happened, unless you know of a particular case. The
few who have found themselves out of a job seem to be fired for good
reasons.

I don't think they're intimidated at all. I think they're ****ed off
because they feel they're being picked on, and they're going to take
it out on everyone else.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:18:20 -0500, Ignoramus25528
wrote:

On 2015-10-29, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus13886" wrote in
message ...
OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or
bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Would that save black lives?

i

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ng_better.html




Very interesting. I am thinking, now, if the police stop pursuing drug
dealers, will tat increase or decrease crime? It almost amounts to a
stealthy decriminalization of drugs.

Well if we were to instruct the police to ignore, robbery, fraud and
beating one's wife as well as dope dealers, why we could practically
eliminate crime.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:09:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Bad.


Would that save black lives?

No, it would probably end up in more lives lost (when the criminals
knew they would always get away with the crimes. But it would switch
deaths from the criminals (killed by cops) to the neighbors (killed by
the criminals). That's a bad thing, too.

On the other hand..it would also increase criminals killed by
victims..which we are seeing now. Florida in fact was one of the early
indicators. Victims were killing criminals in such numbers that
crooks had to start watching for tourists , who were mostly unarmed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-pe/?page=all

This is also of interest to some....fascinating how crooked cops are
in some places....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...uns-without-w/

-
To change one's self is sufficient. It's the idiots who want
to change the world who are causing all the trouble.
--Anonymous

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:25:22 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:09:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:23:18 -0500, Ignoramus13886
wrote:

OK, let me ask you a question.

If the police feels too intimidated to get out of their cars and
confront criminals, in black neighborhoods, would that be good or bad
for the residents of those neighborhoods?

Bad.


Would that save black lives?

No, it would probably end up in more lives lost (when the criminals
knew they would always get away with the crimes. But it would switch
deaths from the criminals (killed by cops) to the neighbors (killed by
the criminals). That's a bad thing, too.

On the other hand..it would also increase criminals killed by
victims..which we are seeing now. Florida in fact was one of the early
indicators. Victims were killing criminals in such numbers that
crooks had to start watching for tourists , who were mostly unarmed.

Florida has the highest concealed carry numbers of all the states.
But I still think that there would be more crime if the cops stopped
patrolling bad areas. Poor folks can't afford guns. (They can't
afford not to own/train, either. sigh)


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-pe/?page=all

This is also of interest to some....fascinating how crooked cops are
in some places....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...uns-without-w/

That just sucks. The LAPD burglarized his house!

--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear
ideas in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson