On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Let's be honest.
The people with money and influence created laws that repress blacks through out history.
The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

It is interesting that these things are going on in northern democrat
cities tho. I thought northern democrats were the progressive ones.
Yes I consider Atlanta a northern city it just happens to be in
Georgia. The vibe is more like DC and I lived in both.

wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

Yeah, much better to still be slaves.

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:57:31 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 8/7/2020 8:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131


That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?* Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


A good start would be to rescind all those gun control laws . Let the
average citizen have guns too so they are equally armed . Criminals
ain't going to chance getting shot by an irate victim ... I know for a
fact that being armed has saved my ass a couple of times - and I didn't
even have to take it out of the holster , just the fact that they knew I
was armed was a deterrent .

That reminds of something I heard a long time ago. "A redneck with a gun"
is redundant.

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On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 21:24:55 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131


That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?* Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!

I don't get it. What would that do to help?

First, is there such a thing as subsidies for fatherless children?
Second, did the children choose to be fatherless, and therefore they need
to be punished?

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.** I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

person for anything. Maybe they should fire educators who lie on
diplomas and say people actually "passed" high school.

Big difference.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.** I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

Being fired should be instant and automatic. On a case by case basis,
prosecution of the ex-officer should be considered.

Some jurisdictions are looking at getting rid of qualified immunity. I'd
support that because although the concept sounds good on its face, it's
been severely stretched and corrupted over the years. These days it's used
to excuse all kinds of misconduct.

Qualified immunity:
In the United States, the doctrine of qualified immunity grants government
officials performing discretionary functions immunity from civil suits
unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established
statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have
known"

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:14:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Cops shoot white people too.

Oh, well why didn't you say so earlier? That makes everything alright.
smh

I agree if they kill someone who was not
fighting with them it is a crime but that is not Michael Brown, Freddy
Gray, George Floyd, Eric Garner or Taser Boy in Atlanta. The cops who
shot Breonna Taylor should rot in jail for the rest of their lives but
the cop who shot Vicki Weaver should have too and nothing happened to
him. I bet you were not protesting that murder, she was white.

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.

On 08/08/2020 03:40 AM, wrote:
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.

The worst I came out of one of those stops was the trooper kept my
switchblade and gave me a fixit ticket for the emergency brake I didn't
have. The ticket was the worst part since I had to swap out the rear
axle for one that had the mechanism.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:26:33 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Let's be honest.
The people with money and influence created laws that repress blacks through out history.
The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

It is interesting that these things are going on in northern democrat
cities tho. I thought northern democrats were the progressive ones.

Exactly as expected. It's progressive to see wrong and try to right it.
When you finally start to see positive change in a deep southern city, such
as Birmingham as a random example, then you know we're almost where we
should be. Lots of other issues, plus some new ones, will have come up by
then, so it's a never ending struggle to make progress, i.e. to be
progressive.

Yes I consider Atlanta a northern city it just happens to be in
Georgia. The vibe is more like DC and I lived in both.

On 08/08/2020 11:14 AM, wrote:
Cops shoot white people too. I agree if they kill someone who was not
fighting with them it is a crime but that is not Michael Brown, Freddy
Gray, George Floyd, Eric Garner or Taser Boy in Atlanta. The cops who
shot Breonna Taylor should rot in jail for the rest of their lives but
the cop who shot Vicki Weaver should have too and nothing happened to
him. I bet you were not protesting that murder, she was white.

Lon Horiuchi went on to recommend H-S Precision custom stocks. That
wasn't one of the better thought out PR blurbs in history. I still know
people that would whittle a stock out of a Home Depot 2x4 before buying H-S.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 3:20:12 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

They did both.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 3:20:12 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

They did both.

Not in recent times they havent.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.

So much "wisdom" in one miserable endlessly gossiping senile ****! LOL

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:06:25 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Lon Horiuchi went on to recommend H-S Precision custom stocks. That
wasn't one of the better thought out PR blurbs in history. I still know
people that would whittle a stock out of a Home Depot 2x4 before buying H-S.

LOL Blathering asshole!

On 08/08/2020 10:41 AM, wrote:
Let's be honest.
The people with money and influence created laws that repress blacks through out history.
The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

Let's be honest. White people with money and influence passed the 14th
Amendment and all subsequent civil rights legislation.

On 08/08/2020 06:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A single young woman I know worked with a number of Hispanics. They
could not understand why she didn't have a baby yet.

I don't have the data and am not going to research it but my impression
is Hispanics tend to form extended nuclear families. Big families, but
real families none the less.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:00:02 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


The worst I came out of one of those stops was the trooper kept my
switchblade and gave me a fixit ticket for the emergency brake I didn't
have. The ticket was the worst part since I had to swap out the rear
axle for one that had the mechanism.

You should have used your biggest weapon: your big mouth! Buttonhole him
until he runs away from you!

On 08/08/2020 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Let's be honest.
The people with money and influence created laws that repress blacks through out history.
The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

It is interesting that these things are going on in northern democrat
cities tho. I thought northern democrats were the progressive ones.
Yes I consider Atlanta a northern city it just happens to be in
Georgia. The vibe is more like DC and I lived in both.


Even more interesting Oregon had black exclusion laws on the books up
until 1926 and are still under 2% black.

I've seen a variation on the theme when living in New Hampshire, Maine,
and Vermont. When I lived in that area all three were lily white but it
wasn't uncommon to hear people saying racist things in casual
conversation. For that matter NH was the last state to officially
celebrate MLK Day and that took a Democratic governor pushing it through
in 2000.

We've had an ongoing peaceful demonstration on the court house lawn.
There was a rather heavily armed redneck presence at first but they got
bored and went away. I think they scared up 7 or 8 actual black people,
one of whom is very vocal. Otherwise it's the usual white middle-class
kids you find in a college town, the same cast of characters who lived
on the lawn during the Occupy fiasco.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:55:35 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


A single young woman I know worked with a number of Hispanics. They
could not understand why she didn't have a baby yet.

I don't have the data and am not going to research it

Aw, come, senile idiot, get the data, research it! You know you want to do
it! LOL

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:10:08 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Even more interesting Oregon had black

Ever more interesting, there don't to be any black driveling assholes like
you deteriorated endlessly babbling whitey!

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:50:57 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Let's be honest. White people with money and influence passed the 14th
Amendment and all subsequent civil rights legislation.

Let's be REALLY honest: you are just an endlessly driveling senile
trumptard!

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:40:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:42:08 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/8/2020 2:40 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:00:24 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:23:21 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:26:58 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 6:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 01:04 AM, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Voters in police households of color were 27 points more likely to have
a favorable view of Black Lives Matter than voters in white police
households, and also significantly more likely to view police negatively
(44 percent versus 23 percent).

https://morningconsult.com/2020/07/2...phics-polling/


Surprise, surprise...



If you were raised your whole childhood being told by parents how
careful you had to be to avoid being targeted by police (because you
were likely to be no matter what you did) you would probably feel the
same. Profiling happens and puts black lives into levels of continuous
stress that you surely have no concept of.

And yet, you think the problem is all on them. Crazy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...police/491435/

I grew up being told if you fight with the police you get your ass
kicked and they like it.


Just one of thousands of stories:


One of my white acquaintances was handcuffed to a bench in the police
locker room of the 14th precinct in DC and 2 shifts of cops got to
bitch slap him. **** happens.


So you won't complain when it happens to you or your children.

I will ask them what the **** were you doing?
The difference between an unconstitutional car stop and search and an
ass whipping is usually attitude.
Yes I have been stopped and searched illegally before and I knew I had
the right to say no but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Say Yes Sir, let them see you don't have a trunk full of heroin and
get home in one piece that night.


OR, you are black, and get shot reaching for your license.

There is a big difference, and it is time America did something about it.

Old white people like Fretwell can't understand what all the fuss is about.
They say things, "fight with the cops and you get your ass kicked", which
completely misses the point. Black people don't have to fight with the
police. They don't really have to do anything, and yet the real possibility
of at least severe harassment, and possibly death, lingers over their heads
like a cloud.

That is over sold. Harassed ie stopped more often, yes but being beat
up and killed usually follows resisting arrest.
Maybe if blacks were not over represented in the people committing
crimes the cops would not be as suspicious. Bikers get harassed too if
that is your standard.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:40:49 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

No you are not reading for content. The union protects that activity.
I am OK with getting rid of public service unions and making cops (or
any other government worker) responsible for their misdeeds.

person for anything. Maybe they should fire educators who lie on
diplomas and say people actually "passed" high school.

Big difference.

Yeah one affects thugs who fight with the cops, the other affects
society as a whole because we will end up supporting those illiterate
"high school graduates" who were "socially promoted".

On 08/08/2020 02:12 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 3:20:12 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote

Let's be honest.

Tad radical.

The people with money and influence created
laws that repress blacks through out history.

Could have sworn that they actually freed the slaves.

They did both.

I've been rereading Charles Beard's history of the US. Beard fell oit of
favor some time ago and certainly isn't woke enough for today. He made
the observation that the preliminary drafts of the 13th Amendment
actually guaranteed slavery in perpetuity in those states where it was
legal, the Emancipation Proclamation only pertaining to the states in
rebellion. Charles Sumner from MA led the fight to abolish slavery
altogether.

He's also famous for almost getting beaten to death by Brooks in the
Senate. Senate was a lot more amusing in those days. That made him sort
of a martyr.

Lincoln was lukewarm since he didn't want a hot potato on his hands, and
Congress wasn't entirely enthusiastic. Eventually the abolitionists got
the present text ratified.

That was Beard's cardinal sin as a historian. He focused more on the
power plays and economics that the high minded ideals that are the
popular interpretation today. The truth is the abolitionists were the
BLM and Antifa radials of the day as far as their contemporaries were
concerned.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:47:33 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

Being fired should be instant and automatic. On a case by case basis,
prosecution of the ex-officer should be considered.

Some jurisdictions are looking at getting rid of qualified immunity. I'd
support that because although the concept sounds good on its face, it's
been severely stretched and corrupted over the years. These days it's used
to excuse all kinds of misconduct.

Qualified immunity:
In the United States, the doctrine of qualified immunity grants government
officials performing discretionary functions immunity from civil suits
unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established
statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have
known"


I was covered by the state's sovereign immunity law when I was
inspecting for them but it was made clear if I was doing anything that
was against the law or even written policy, that was out the window
because I was a contractor, not in the union, so I would not get a
union lawyer to invoke that immunity.
The reality, it meant nothing. I would still have to hire my own
lawyer and fight anything that came up. Nothing ever did.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:35:56 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I've been rereading Charles Beard's history of the US.

Good grief! Is there REALLY no end to your bull****ting, senile asshole?

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:55:35 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 06:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A single young woman I know worked with a number of Hispanics. They
could not understand why she didn't have a baby yet.

I don't have the data and am not going to research it but my impression
is Hispanics tend to form extended nuclear families. Big families, but
real families none the less.


That is true. I have a hispanic family living next to me and they are
reaching up, not reaching out for a handout (even in this Covid mess).
The kids are well supervised and seem well educated.
These are not rich people but they want to be. The American dream in
action. When I first met the guy he was detailing cars for Hertz. Now
he is the manager of the used car lot and he gets a taste of the
sales. I worry about Hertz but this guy will be OK.

On 8/8/2020 12:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy.Â* DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDRENÂ* !!!

What happens then?Â* The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton


Â*Â*Â* Or just maybe 14 year olds will stop having babies so they "get
their
OWN check" .

14-year-olds don't have the judgment to make that decision.Â* In
the absence of strong societal pressures to not engage in premarital
sex, they'll have out-of-wedlock babies any.

In the presence of strong societal pressures to not engage in
premarital sex, it will still happen albeit not as frequently.
I am the product of such a birth.


I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the fact
that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting jobs. The
problem in Chicago are largely based upon economic differences resulting
from systemic racism. Anyplace where populations are poor are going to
have more crime. And anyplace where a population is prosecuted because
of their race is going to have more arrests,, more convictions, more
unemployed ex-cons, and more poverty resulting. And therefore more
crime. You don't break the loop by arresting more poor people. That just
continues it.


Not to disagree, but what is the solution? How do you break the loop?

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:10:08 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Let's be honest.
The people with money and influence created laws that repress blacks through out history.
The people in Portland and Minneapolis know this and are just reacting.

It is interesting that these things are going on in northern democrat
cities tho. I thought northern democrats were the progressive ones.
Yes I consider Atlanta a northern city it just happens to be in
Georgia. The vibe is more like DC and I lived in both.


Even more interesting Oregon had black exclusion laws on the books up
until 1926 and are still under 2% black.

I've seen a variation on the theme when living in New Hampshire, Maine,
and Vermont. When I lived in that area all three were lily white but it
wasn't uncommon to hear people saying racist things in casual
conversation. For that matter NH was the last state to officially
celebrate MLK Day and that took a Democratic governor pushing it through
in 2000.

We've had an ongoing peaceful demonstration on the court house lawn.
There was a rather heavily armed redneck presence at first but they got
bored and went away. I think they scared up 7 or 8 actual black people,
one of whom is very vocal. Otherwise it's the usual white middle-class
kids you find in a college town, the same cast of characters who lived
on the lawn during the Occupy fiasco.



There are a few people paying lip service to BLM in Ft Myers but we
don't really have that many incidents to complain about. The police
chief is black and the FMPD was pronounced the most progressive PD in
Florida.

On 8/8/2020 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union
person for anything. Maybe they should fire educators who lie on
diplomas and say people actually "passed" high school.

That would be a good start too.

On 8/8/2020 3:40 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:21:34 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:26:18 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 8/7/2020 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 00:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said they
view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively, Support
Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



Depends on how you ask the question.Â* Not a lot
of folks are against better policing.Â* Very
few officers are for brutality.

Hmmmm.Â*Â* I thing all police should have body and
dash cams.Â* Does that make me a BLM supporter?

Would you support laws that lying on police reports results in police
being fired?

That is a union problem. It is very hard to fire any government union

So you seem to be saying that if the union objects, you're okay with
that. So you don't support such a law. I gather your okay with
police lying on the reports they file. How disappointing.

person for anything. Maybe they should fire educators who lie on
diplomas and say people actually "passed" high school.

Big difference.
Yes, one is a dollar, the other ten dimes. Both wrong and both
contribute to unemployment and crime.

On 8/8/2020 11:24 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 8/8/2020 7:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:19:57 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
On 8/8/2020 5:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 12:24:58 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives
matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly,
the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch" over in
the UK
could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy.Â* DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDRENÂ* !!!

What happens then?Â* The children starve in the streets?

Cindy Hamilton


Â*Â*Â* Or just maybe 14 year olds will stop having babies so they "get
their
OWN check" .

14-year-olds don't have the judgment to make that decision.Â* In
the absence of strong societal pressures to not engage in premarital
sex, they'll have out-of-wedlock babies any.

In the presence of strong societal pressures to not engage in
premarital sex, it will still happen albeit not as frequently.
I am the product of such a birth.


I notice that not one of these righties has said anything about the fact
that blacks have a significant bias against them in getting jobs. The
problem in Chicago are largely based upon economic differences resulting
from systemic racism. Anyplace where populations are poor are going to
have more crime. And anyplace where a population is prosecuted because
of their race is going to have more arrests,, more convictions, more
unemployed ex-cons, and more poverty resulting. And therefore more
crime. You don't break the loop by arresting more poor people. That just
continues it.



Jump down from that soapbox Boob F . We lived in a mostly black
neighborhood , our kids went to school with black kids and my wife
taught in a mostly black school in the Arkansas Delta region . The one
recurrent theme we found was that most black kids don't do well in
school . Not from lack of talent or intelligence , but because of PEER
PRESSURE . Those black people that gave so much to give these children a
chance to succeed must be spinning in their graves at the way these kids
have thrown away all that they worked and sacrificed for .
--
Snag

On 08/08/2020 03:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:55:35 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 06:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A single young woman I know worked with a number of Hispanics. They
could not understand why she didn't have a baby yet.

I don't have the data and am not going to research it but my impression
is Hispanics tend to form extended nuclear families. Big families, but
real families none the less.


That is true. I have a hispanic family living next to me and they are
reaching up, not reaching out for a handout (even in this Covid mess).
The kids are well supervised and seem well educated.
These are not rich people but they want to be. The American dream in
action. When I first met the guy he was detailing cars for Hertz. Now
he is the manager of the used car lot and he gets a taste of the
sales. I worry about Hertz but this guy will be OK.


Only anecdotal, but that's been my experience. The antics of the
narcotraficantes get all the press but most are just looking to get
ahead. Even the illegals come here and bust their asses in the fields
and factories chasing the dream like everyone else that came to America.

I was in LA during the Rodney King riots and some of the comments from
the guys I ran into would make David Duke sound like a flaming liberal.
I wonder how all the BLM stuff will play out with the Hispanic vote. I
doubt you can even say Brown Lives Matter without getting mobbed by the
SJWs.

As far as police discrimination I've spent enough time in southern AZ to
know how that works. I get waved through the checkpoints, brown people
get to meet the narcotics dogs, unload their cars, and generally get
hassled.

On 08/08/2020 03:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:56:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 08/08/2020 03:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 23:41:19 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-08-07 23:07, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 10:24 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-07 18:23, Bob F wrote:
On 8/7/2020 6:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2020 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:18AM, wrote:
On 07/08/2020 08:04, wrote:
"58 percent of respondents who identified as police officers said
they view Black Lives Matter favorably."

Majority of Police Officers See Black Lives Matter Positively,
Support Reforms
Newsweek Magazine - July 8, 2020
--
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-po...s-poll-1520131



That's good, but maybe a better message would be *ALL lives matter*.
Including organized crime members who target these Blacks?
Suddenly, the purposes of military groups like "The Black Watch"
over in the UK could grow suspect.

You mean the black gang members in Chicago that mostly kill other
blacks? Yeah, you'd think the mayor would do something about that.

Do tell us exactly how you would solve the problem.


Easy. DE-FUND SUBSIDIES FOR FATHERLESS CHILDREN !!!


I don't see Bob F's post but I'll reply here. Start with broken window
policing along with stop and frisk. Bust a lot of balls in the bad
neighborhoods. They don't like cops so give them a really good reason.

Sure, the libs will whine about racial profiling but that's the reality
in Chicago. In over 90% of the murders both the perp and the victim are
black or brown.

That is a good idea whilst we wait for fatherhood to
take over. But without fatherhood, the above is only
a treatment, not a cure.

This is all because of racism on the Democrats part.
Before the Great Society, black fatherlessness and
crime were slightly below that of whites. Now thanks
to subsidizing fatherlessness for votes, we have this
situation. Democrats are all about dependence,
regardless of the consequences on society.


That is really LBJ's fault. The rules around "Great Society" welfare
programs were such that if the Mom kicked that out of work sperm donor
out, she got a bigger check.


The road to hell... It hasn't worked for trash, white or black. In the
long run it's led to more divisiveness particularly among those who are
so colorblind they can't see the white trash. The difference is the
white trash tend to be more rural and quietly kill themselves with
alcohol, oxycontin, or fentanyl.


Not really. There were plenty of white people living in "Soufeese" DC
sucking on the same government tit as the black people and shooting
smack, the drug of choice, in those days.


Yeah, but were they shooting each other? Unless they clog up the ER
nobody cares if they lay around the pad and get a good buzz on. They
aren't the ones making headlines with the weekend body count.

You're right though. Even in an urban setting white trash tend to
disappear into the shadows where the lumpenproletariat have always
lived. Most of the ones I've known might have aspired to being career
criminals but were too dumb to pull it off.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:23:20 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Yeah, but were they shooting each other?

Yeah, but has this ANYTHING got to do with ahr, senile idiot?