I'm still searching for more speed from this desktop , and have plans to
upgrade to a Phenom X4 CPU and go to 64 bit XP Pro . I know that the
processor upgrade and BIOS update won't affect my programs and all that ,
but what about the 64 bit upgrade ? Am I going to have to rebuild this whole
set of programs , address books , bookmarks , etc ? Not that I don't have
all the software , but it's a pain in the ass and time consuming to do all
that .

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 21:58:44 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I'm still searching for more speed from this desktop , and have plans to
upgrade to a Phenom X4 CPU and go to 64 bit XP Pro . I know that the
processor upgrade and BIOS update won't affect my programs and all that ,
but what about the 64 bit upgrade ? Am I going to have to rebuild this whole
set of programs , address books , bookmarks , etc ? Not that I don't have
all the software , but it's a pain in the ass and time consuming to do all
that .
Upgrading from 32 to 64 bit will require a complete rebuild of the
system - save all your data and make sure you have all your install
disks. Running 1 program at a time you will see NO performance
improvement. If you don't increase the ram you will see no
improvement. If running multiple programs, and you put in more than
4GB of ram, you will see a performance improvement. You'll see a lot
more improvement going to Windows 10 32 on 4GB of ram. I've got it
running on an ATOM powered ZG5 Acer Aspire One netbook and it is
significantly faster than the XP it came with., with only 1GB of ram.

On 04/02/2017 08:58 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
I'm still searching for more speed from this desktop , and have plans to
upgrade to a Phenom X4 CPU and go to 64 bit XP Pro . I know that the
processor upgrade and BIOS update won't affect my programs and all that ,
but what about the 64 bit upgrade ? Am I going to have to rebuild this whole
set of programs , address books , bookmarks , etc ? Not that I don't have
all the software , but it's a pain in the ass and time consuming to do all
that .

The 64 bit will be a clean install so prepare for a pain in the ass.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...4f450f5ee=True

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3179...d-a-usb-drive/

They're talking about XP to 7 but it should work for XP to XP. Your 64
bit install will have two directories;

C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)

with the 32 bit installs going into (x86). To further confuse the issue

C:\Windows\system32
C:\Windows\SysWOW64

With fantastic M$ logic, the 64bit dlls etc go into system32 and the 32
bit ones go into SysWOW64. WOW64 -- Windows (32) On Windows 64. Think of
it as an emulator for the 64 bit machine to run 32 bit binaries.

All your 32 bit stuff will run but I don't think it will be too pretty
getting there. We've got a few boxes left that have XP32 running on 64
bit hardware and XP64 on 64 bit hardware but we've never tried to
migrate a 32 to 64. Actually if you don't have more than 3GB of RAM and
less than 1TB disks you're not buying much as far as I've ever been able
to tell.

Mon, 03 Apr 2017 03:53:09 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 21:58:44 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

I'm still searching for more speed from this desktop , and have
plans to
upgrade to a Phenom X4 CPU and go to 64 bit XP Pro . I know that
the processor upgrade and BIOS update won't affect my programs and
all that , but what about the 64 bit upgrade ? Am I going to have
to rebuild this whole set of programs , address books , bookmarks
, etc ? Not that I don't have all the software , but it's a pain
in the ass and time consuming to do all that .
Upgrading from 32 to 64 bit will require a complete rebuild of
the
system - save all your data and make sure you have all your
install disks. Running 1 program at a time you will see NO
performance improvement. If you don't increase the ram you will
see no improvement. If running multiple programs, and you put in
more than 4GB of ram, you will see a performance improvement.
You'll see a lot more improvement going to Windows 10 32 on 4GB of
ram. I've got it running on an ATOM powered ZG5 Acer Aspire One
netbook and it is significantly faster than the XP it came with.,
with only 1GB of ram.


If you want to see an even faster box, give Linux a try. I've got one
box left that actually runs Windows (XP) as it's native OS. I fully
intend to convert the last remaining non Linux machine on this
network to linux. And keep various flavors of Windows as VMs only;
for technical support and repairs. I'm a certified computer tech
(with two honorary masters) by trade, so I'm forced to keep Windows
around to provide technical support for clients. The remaining ones
that aren't ready/possibly never will be ready to goto greenier
pastures. Linux is so much easier to maintain and support from
malware/browser hijack POV. While it's certainly not impossible to
hijack a Linux box, it's much more difficult than it is a Windows
(pick a flavor) box.

Currently, I settled on Linux Mint v17.3. I have some running MATE's
desktop, and others running KDE. KDE spoils me. I'm waiting until the
v18 series matures a bit more before I take the plunge, because with
the KDE boxes, there's no simple upgrade path. It's copy your stuff
to external media and reload. An upgrade path supposedly exists for
Mate, Cinnamon, Xfce, etc, but another poster who runs one of those
reported that for whatever reason, his machine cannot go the simple
upgrade route either. He's 'stuck' like my KDE boxes.



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Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:45:46 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel wrote:

(with two honorary masters)


LOL....Really?

rbowman wrote:
On 04/02/2017 08:58 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
I'm still searching for more speed from this desktop , and have
plans to upgrade to a Phenom X4 CPU and go to 64 bit XP Pro . I know
that the processor upgrade and BIOS update won't affect my programs
and all that , but what about the 64 bit upgrade ? Am I going to
have to rebuild this whole set of programs , address books ,
bookmarks , etc ? Not that I don't have all the software , but it's
a pain in the ass and time consuming to do all that .

The 64 bit will be a clean install so prepare for a pain in the ass.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...4f450f5ee=True

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3179...d-a-usb-drive/

They're talking about XP to 7 but it should work for XP to XP. Your 64
bit install will have two directories;

C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)

with the 32 bit installs going into (x86). To further confuse the
issue
C:\Windows\system32
C:\Windows\SysWOW64

With fantastic M$ logic, the 64bit dlls etc go into system32 and the
32 bit ones go into SysWOW64. WOW64 -- Windows (32) On Windows 64.
Think of it as an emulator for the 64 bit machine to run 32 bit
binaries.
All your 32 bit stuff will run but I don't think it will be too pretty
getting there. We've got a few boxes left that have XP32 running on 64
bit hardware and XP64 on 64 bit hardware but we've never tried to
migrate a 32 to 64. Actually if you don't have more than 3GB of RAM
and less than 1TB disks you're not buying much as far as I've ever
been able to tell.




Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start off with a
clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it . The Plan is to bump
this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch
to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and update the BIOS . I just built one on
an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a 1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already
had XP Pro loaded and it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core
Athlon . That one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently
.. All but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one won't do
the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more graphic/data
intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff" expanding to fill all
available space , as capability increases they will expand to use it . Oh ,
and I've got a couple of 1T drives for storage , seemed like I needed the
space for my "stuff" ...
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In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start off with a
clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it . The Plan is to bump
this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch
to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and update the BIOS . I just built one on
an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a 1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already
had XP Pro loaded and it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core
Athlon . That one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently
. All but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one won't do
the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more graphic/data
intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff" expanding to fill all
available space , as capability increases they will expand to use it . Oh ,
and I've got a couple of 1T drives for storage , seemed like I needed the
space for my "stuff" ...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to ebay
and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor and more
memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the win
10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and upgraded to
win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should be able to fine
a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want to stay with XP you
can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way will probably be less
than $ 150.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start off with a
clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it . The Plan is to bump
this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch
to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and update the BIOS . I just built one on
an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a 1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already
had XP Pro loaded and it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core
Athlon . That one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently
. All but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one won't do
the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more graphic/data
intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff" expanding to fill all
available space , as capability increases they will expand to use it . Oh ,
and I've got a couple of 1T drives for storage , seemed like I needed the
space for my "stuff" ...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to ebay
and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor and more
memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the win
10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and upgraded to
win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should be able to fine
a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want to stay with XP you
can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way will probably be less
than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
... buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish
to stay with XP Pro .


Well then press on and STFU...you have no legit questions.
After you are done Report back the results.

In article , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you say
that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The web
sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount to
anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.

You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go to a
speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are getting.
It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .
I hear ya - but XP is a DOG compared to 10, and 64 bit, in your case,
isn't going to buy you ANYTHING..
All 64 bit will do is make half your hardware not work if it is older
stuff - scanners, printers, TV Tuners - all kinds of stuff doesn't
work on 64 bit. At trhe VERY least, update to Win7-32 Pro.. Internet
Explorer 11 is a HUGE improvement over 8 - and comes with Win7. It
comes with Win10 too.

I wouldn't go back to 7 again for my own computer, although 2 of my
big customers are almost exclusively Win 7. One still has some XP
machines on the shop floor, but as they die we are replacing with
Win7. HUGE improvement - and 10 is noticeably better yet, once you
get used to the different interface.

Do yourself a BIG favor - and DUMP the XP64 in favor of 7-32.

7 makes a lot better use of resources than XP - and 10 does even
better - boot times are quicker, for starters.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:13:39 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you say
that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The web
sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount to
anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.

You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go to a
speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are getting.
It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.


Even FireFox doesn't support XP any more - and the Fox that runs on XP
can't handle a lot of the new web content. GO 7!!!! Internet explorer
11, or the latest Firefox. Forget about Chrome.

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my experience, XP
still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first moved to "NT" (New
Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some 16 & 8 bit programs to
run.

About XP (NT) you can do two or three things: Give it as much RAM as
you can and more drive space (larger). If you have a separate
secondary drive, set that drive for your swap file. A single drive has
to work harder swapping memory to the single drive.

"More RAM -- More Drive". That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish
to stay with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but
nothing newer . I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was
such a dog ... and a copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should
arrive today .

Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my experience, XP
still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first moved to "NT" (New
Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some 16 & 8 bit programs to
run.

About XP (NT) you can do two or three things: Give it as much RAM as
you can and more drive space (larger). If you have a separate
secondary drive, set that drive for your swap file. A single drive has
to work harder swapping memory to the single drive.

"More RAM -- More Drive". That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

OK , after a bit of a ****up updating the bios (wrong version for this
processor , LAN quit working), I'm running again with the 1.8 quad core
phenom . I already have as much RAM as 32 bit XP will see , but setting the
swap file to a different drive than the OS is intriguing ... This box has a
total of 1.5 Tb of storage in a pair of 250's and a single 1 Tb drive (which
was the other thing that was affected by me loading the wrong BIOS) that has
all my video and music content on it .
So tell me more about how to set the swap file to a different drive ...
--
Snag

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:27:40 -0400, wrote:

Do yourself a BIG favor - and DUMP the XP64 in favor of 7-32.

7 makes a lot better use of resources than XP - and 10 does even
better - boot times are quicker, for starters.

Windows 10 ("magically") boots faster because newer machines use UEFI
vs BIOS. _Unified Extensible Firmware Interface_ You can turn it off
and see if 10 boots the same?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

That microsoft Kool Ade is some yummy stuff huh?

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

That microsoft Kool Ade is some yummy stuff huh?

The thought has crossed my mind to go to Ubuntu ... I've messed around
with it a little and liked it , but getting the wife on board for a major OS
change has been problematic .
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:57:08 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish
to stay with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but
nothing newer . I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was
such a dog ... and a copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should
arrive today .

Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my experience, XP
still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first moved to "NT" (New
Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some 16 & 8 bit programs to
run.

About XP (NT) you can do two or three things: Give it as much RAM as
you can and more drive space (larger). If you have a separate
secondary drive, set that drive for your swap file. A single drive has
to work harder swapping memory to the single drive.

"More RAM -- More Drive". That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

OK , after a bit of a ****up updating the bios (wrong version for this
processor , LAN quit working), I'm running again with the 1.8 quad core
phenom . I already have as much RAM as 32 bit XP will see , but setting the
swap file to a different drive than the OS is intriguing ... This box has a
total of 1.5 Tb of storage in a pair of 250's and a single 1 Tb drive (which
was the other thing that was affected by me loading the wrong BIOS) that has
all my video and music content on it .
So tell me more about how to set the swap file to a different drive ...

Aw man. Been many years. See if this link helps.

http://www.tech-faq.com/how-to-change-the-swap-file-settings.html

If you have an empty secondary drive give the swap file everything you
can. It will be independent of the primary drive so you get a boost
in performance.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:40:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

That microsoft Kool Ade is some yummy stuff huh?

The thought has crossed my mind to go to Ubuntu ... I've messed around
with it a little and liked it , but getting the wife on board for a major OS
change has been problematic .

+1 I can't get my bride to learn Windows OS. "I don't want to know.
I just want it to do stuff", she tells me. I did move her to Win10
last week with a new machine so she is a little bit familiar, at least
in a Windows environment.

In article ,
says...



+1 I can't get my bride to learn Windows OS. "I don't want to know.
I just want it to do stuff", she tells me. I did move her to Win10
last week with a new machine so she is a little bit familiar, at least
in a Windows environment.


That is the way I feel. I don't want to learn the OS either. I just
want it to run the programs I want. Seems like that in order to get
lots of programs I want to run, I have to do some edditing of the OS.

I am not new to computers, having had a TRS 80. and one of each of the
IBM type processors except the 286. Skipped over that one.

When I got started seems like there was a push to get people to learn
BASIC. I thought at that time, it was useless for most to know anything
about that. Just learn the programs.

I had to learn lots of the systems in the first years just to get a
sound card, modem, or a cd to even work. It was plug, look for jumpers,
load in several driver type programs, and then hope something would work
without screwing up another device.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 18:42:40 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...



+1 I can't get my bride to learn Windows OS. "I don't want to know.
I just want it to do stuff", she tells me. I did move her to Win10
last week with a new machine so she is a little bit familiar, at least
in a Windows environment.


That is the way I feel. I don't want to learn the OS either. I just
want it to run the programs I want. Seems like that in order to get
lots of programs I want to run, I have to do some edditing of the OS.

I am not new to computers, having had a TRS 80. and one of each of the
IBM type processors except the 286. Skipped over that one.

When I got started seems like there was a push to get people to learn
BASIC. I thought at that time, it was useless for most to know anything
about that. Just learn the programs.

I had to learn lots of the systems in the first years just to get a
sound card, modem, or a cd to even work. It was plug, look for jumpers,
load in several driver type programs, and then hope something would work
without screwing up another device.

I'm self taught. Only took one computer class (NT), because work paid
for it. My boss approved the class because he met me in the parking
lot on the way home and told me to report to Computer Services on
Monday. "Candy (CSM) just resigned." I've always built my own
systems. In recent years it is really cheaper to buy a system with
the OS, etc. Can't make any money like back 20 years ago. While
acting CSM I managed the contract for a 70 node Fiber Optics LAN on a
WAN.

One thing about Windows. "Don't try to make it do more than it can
do." E-mail, browsing and simple things work great. Intense programs
require more, "more gooder" hardware like CPU, RAM, VIDEO and such.

I'm not running intense stuff like Photoshop or AutoCAD to draw
spaceships

Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded
and it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon
. That one is going to my shop to replace the one that died
recently . All but that last one are boxes that are older than 10
years , with no significant upgrades since they were built . It's
not that this one won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough
any more with the more graphic/data intense web sites . It's just
the same as your "stuff" expanding to fill all available space ,
as capability increases they will expand to use it . Oh , and
I've got a couple of 1T drives for storage , seemed like I needed
the space for my "stuff" ...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you
should be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If
you want to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer.
Eithe way will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish
to stay with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but
nothing newer . I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was
such a dog ... and a copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should
arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you
say that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The
web sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount
to anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.

You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go
to a speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are
getting. It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.

Last time I checked I was getting a solid 6Mb/s down and 768k+ upload . I
just scored a Win7 Pro/64 COA on ebay ... and am downloading a clean ISO to
burn to disk .
--
Snag

Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:30:31 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Even FireFox doesn't support XP any more - and the Fox that runs
on XP can't handle a lot of the new web content. GO 7!!!!
Internet explorer 11, or the latest Firefox. Forget about Chrome.

That's not entirely true, yet with regard to firefox. 45.8.0 ESR
edition runs fine on XP. It'll continue to do so for awhile longer.

I haven't heard any serious security aware person recommend IE. Running
IE is practically asking for it. That hasn't changed in.. ****, over a
decade or more. Not that I mind if people take your advice; I make
money doing repairs and a lot of malware removal, so the more infected,
the better for me. That and name brand boxes. Dell has kept the lights
on for a long time for me. lol.

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

Windows 7 isn't fully supported on modern hardware, anymore. In case
you missed the memo. XP isn't totally yesterdays news, just yet,
either. Many POS systems still use it, in one form or another. Many ATM
machines are still running it, too.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by,
and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

"Terry Coombs" news Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:40:38 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO
many counts.

That microsoft Kool Ade is some yummy stuff huh?

The thought has crossed my mind to go to Ubuntu ... I've messed
around
with it a little and liked it , but getting the wife on board for
a major OS change has been problematic .

Give Linux Mint a try. I'm running 17.3 KDE on most of my boxes, and
MATE on a few others. 18.2 is around the corner, but, I'm waiting for
the 18 series to mature a little more before I run it as a daily OS.

I had no trouble switching some family members from Windows XP over
to Linux Mint. Infact, my support calls/time has been reduced as a
result. They aren't getting browser hijacked and/or malware anymore.
[g]

And, they aren't asking me a pile of questions about it either. It
just works for them. No steep learning curve either, if you want to
remain in the GUI and just use the machine for surfing the web,
email, etc. Oh, and no crashes, etc. it's an awesome OS.

Only have one left that actually runs windows native. The Linux boxes
run various Windows flavors in VM, to continue providing tech support
for my clients.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

Oren
Mon, 03 Apr 2017
20:40:46 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I
wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but
nothing newer . I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista
was such a dog ... and a copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way ,
should arrive today .

Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my
experience, XP still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first
moved to "NT" (New Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some
16 & 8 bit programs to run.

8bit? [g] Umm, no. 16bit, yes. [g] In the sense it can provide you
emulation from console. There's no actual 16bit 'code' in the NT code
base itself. 16bit is emulated for you, via console and some aspects
of the GUI, depending on what the 16bit code is trying to do, of
course. 8bit, doesn't even exist in the world of NT. You're thinking
of the ataris/cocos, etc. machines of that genre. And the 80s early
90s gaming consoles; aside from a select few that were 16bit cpu's,
like the supernintendo and I think the sega genesis. Wasn't much of a
sega person, so I could be wrong there.

About XP (NT) you can do two or three things: Give it as much RAM
as you can and more drive space (larger). If you have a separate
secondary drive, set that drive for your swap file. A single drive
has to work harder swapping memory to the single drive.

Well, not exactly. More ram, less swapping. Lots of real ram, nearly
no swapping to disk. Remember, it only swaps to disk when it doesn't
have real ram available to work with. 32bit OSes can't take full
advantage of 4gigs or more, though; without some tweaking, and even
then, it's more of a hack than actually supporting it.

--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

Oren
Mon, 03 Apr 2017
21:53:08 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:57:08 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:38 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I
wish
to stay with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro ,
but nothing newer . I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but
Vista was such a dog ... and a copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's
way , should arrive today .

Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my
experience, XP still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first
moved to "NT" (New Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some
16 & 8 bit programs to run.

About XP (NT) you can do two or three things: Give it as much
RAM as you can and more drive space (larger). If you have a
separate secondary drive, set that drive for your swap file. A
single drive has to work harder swapping memory to the single
drive.

"More RAM -- More Drive". That's my story and I'm stickin' to
it.

OK , after a bit of a ****up updating the bios (wrong version
for this
processor , LAN quit working), I'm running again with the 1.8 quad
core phenom . I already have as much RAM as 32 bit XP will see ,
but setting the swap file to a different drive than the OS is
intriguing ... This box has a total of 1.5 Tb of storage in a pair
of 250's and a single 1 Tb drive (which was the other thing that
was affected by me loading the wrong BIOS) that has all my video
and music content on it .
So tell me more about how to set the swap file to a different
drive ...

Aw man. Been many years. See if this link helps.

http://www.tech-faq.com/how-to-change-the-swap-file-settings.html

If you have an empty secondary drive give the swap file everything
you can. It will be independent of the primary drive so you get a
boost in performance.


Maybe. Depends on the hd configuration to the mainboard. Are both
drives sharing the same data cable? If they're IDE based and one is
master/slave, you need to seperate them to seperate channels for full
speed, for what little it counts compared to SATA.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are
too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get
by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:03:05 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:27:40 -0400, wrote:

Do yourself a BIG favor - and DUMP the XP64 in favor of 7-32.

7 makes a lot better use of resources than XP - and 10 does even
better - boot times are quicker, for starters.

Windows 10 ("magically") boots faster because newer machines use UEFI
vs BIOS. _Unified Extensible Firmware Interface_ You can turn it off
and see if 10 boots the same?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
I'm not talking about on new computers. I have 10 running on several
old laptops and even a N370 ATOM netbook.- All of them run BIOS. I
also have one UEFI computer that came with Win 7 and upgraded to W10.
This one is on 64 bit.. Both 32 and 64 bit boot fast and run fasat (as
fast as ANYTHING can run on an ATOM) On the Atom I am definitely
memory limited with only 1GB - can only run one program at a time. The
BIG surprise is not how well it runs, but that it runs at all!!

As far as UEFI and BIOS, you can't switch between them. I have not set
the same machine up with 2 different drives, one UEFI and one BIOS
with Win 10, but I have with Win 7 - I didn't notice much if any
difference.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 00:29:37 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:


Give Linux Mint a try.

Listen to what Snag is saying. Stop trying to push Linux on him;
especially his wife for cripes sake. If he can improve performance on
his present hardware, try to help a little. I don't like Penguins with
big heads. That's my rulin'.

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:10:09 -0400, wrote:

As far as UEFI and BIOS, you can't switch between them. I have not set
the same machine up with 2 different drives, one UEFI and one BIOS
with Win 10, but I have with Win 7 - I didn't notice much if any
difference.

I'd like to know if you turn off fast boot on UEFI on Win10 is slower
to boot. I'm not concerned with Win7, BIOS doesn't have fast boot.

Elucidate for us.

On 04/03/2017 11:00 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Win 7 is okay. I run that on two of my boxes at work and my laptop.
Theoretically it's on my home desktop but by default that one boots into
SuSE and stays there. The IT department wanted to replace my XP box and
I told them it would be over my dead body. If I'm lucky it takes three
days to set up a development machine and get into a useful state.

On 04/03/2017 04:42 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
When I got started seems like there was a push to get people to learn
BASIC. I thought at that time, it was useless for most to know anything
about that. Just learn the programs.

BASIC was Gates' revenge on the world...

On 04/03/2017 05:05 PM, Oren wrote:
I'm self taught. Only took one computer class (NT), because work paid
for it. My boss approved the class because he met me in the parking
lot on the way home and told me to report to Computer Services on
Monday. "Candy (CSM) just resigned." I've always built my own
systems. In recent years it is really cheaper to buy a system with
the OS, etc. Can't make any money like back 20 years ago. While
acting CSM I managed the contract for a 70 node Fiber Optics LAN on a
WAN.

I was going to build my last Linux box but after sorting through the
mobos, processors, and so forth I bought a Win7 Dell and put SuSE on it.
If I were a gamer I might do a build but software development just isn't
that intensive.

On 04/03/2017 06:29 PM, Diesel wrote:
That's not entirely true, yet with regard to firefox. 45.8.0 ESR
edition runs fine on XP. It'll continue to do so for awhile longer.

It depends... I'm developing a map product using the ESRI Javascript
API and it won't go on XP's Firefox. The OpenGL calls just aren't there.
It might be the underlying hardware but it hasn't worked on any XP box
we tested.

Many websites still do work but I'm thinking the move to HTML5 rather
than Flash (cursed be thy name) will create more problems for XP browsers.

On 04/03/2017 02:40 PM, Oren wrote:
Just a couple of comments. People can correct me but my experience, XP
still has a bunch of 16 bit code when MSFT first moved to "NT" (New
Technology) The 32 bit code still allows some 16 & 8 bit programs to
run.

There are some gotchas. Win7 got rid of ANSI.sys. It's a small niche but
legacy programs that used ncurses (the old menu system like the BIOS
screens) won't work. DOSBox was developed by the gamers to run their
legacy stuff and can be used.

Oddly, you can still run 16 bit applications on 32 bit Windows 10:

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/ena...rt-windows-10/

32 bit Win10 installs are pretty rare though. On 64 bit XP, 7, 8, and 10
you're SOL.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 21:31:16 -0600, rbowman wrote:

DOSBox was developed by the gamers to run their
legacy stuff and can be used.


I am running 25 year old dBase IV applications in DOSBOX and they seem
to think I am still running DOS. The only thing I am missing is the
PROMPT tricks in ANSI.SYS
There are still a lot of "text" things you can do in DOS that Windows
can't do.

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 19:54:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:10:09 -0400, wrote:

As far as UEFI and BIOS, you can't switch between them. I have not set
the same machine up with 2 different drives, one UEFI and one BIOS
with Win 10, but I have with Win 7 - I didn't notice much if any
difference.

I'd like to know if you turn off fast boot on UEFI on Win10 is slower
to boot. I'm not concerned with Win7, BIOS doesn't have fast boot.

Elucidate for us.
I've never compared or tested so I cannot say. I would IMMAGINE
fast-boot would boot faster - - - However, you CAN run Win7 (64 bit
only - not 32) on UEFI - it is only required by Microsoft for OEMs on
8.0 and above (You cannot sell an OEM system without UEFI with Windows
8.0, 8.1, or 10)

To install Win7 64 on UEFI, you need to boot from UEFI CD/DVD.

Also, according to Tomshardware.com, fast-boot is basically a hybrid
hibernate mode, - and on a lot of desktop systems in particular, it is
buggy (my experience - not Tom's). I turn hibernate off as a matter of
course on all desktops, and on a lot of laptops as well - solves a lot
of lockup and reboot problems.

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:13:38 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you say
that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The web
sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount to
anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

+1

IDK of any browser company that is still doing updates of any browsers
for XP. And each month, what's left gets further and further away
from working with websites that are updated. I have an old notebook
that I keep as a spare, it has XP on it and I put Pale Moon on it,
that was the last one I know of that was still supported and they
ended support for it last year too.



You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.


Another example.


You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go to a
speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are getting.
It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.

Like others have said, before buying a new CPU, memory, etc, I'd look
at what a used PC goes for on Ebay. He also said he was going to update
the BIOS. Unless I was having a problem or needed to do it for some
particular reason, I would not screw with that either. IMO, it's very
unlikely to make a performance difference.

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:13:38 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you say
that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The web
sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount to
anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

+1

IDK of any browser company that is still doing updates of any browsers
for XP. And each month, what's left gets further and further away
from working with websites that are updated. I have an old notebook
that I keep as a spare, it has XP on it and I put Pale Moon on it,
that was the last one I know of that was still supported and they
ended support for it last year too.



You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.


Another example.


You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go to a
speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are getting.
It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.

Like others have said, before buying a new CPU, memory, etc, I'd look
at what a used PC goes for on Ebay. He also said he was going to update
the BIOS. Unless I was having a problem or needed to do it for some
particular reason, I would not screw with that either. IMO, it's very
unlikely to make a performance difference.

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 4:30:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:13:39 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

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wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:23:52 -0400, Ralph Mowery
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Well , if it's gotta be a clean install I might as well start
off with a clean hdd ... and I have a new 320 WD on hand for it .
The Plan is to bump this mobo ( Asus M2A-VM) to the max 8 Gb RAM
with 4 x 2 Gb sticks , switch to a Phenom X4 2.3 Ghz processor and
update the BIOS . I just built one on an Asrock N68C-GS4 FX with a
1.8 Phenom/4Gb/32 bit and an hdd that already had XP Pro loaded and
it seems significantly faster than this 2.6 dual core Athlon . That
one is going to my shop to replace the one that died recently . All
but that last one are boxes that are older than 10 years , with no
significant upgrades since they were built . It's not that this one
won't do the job , it just isn't fast enough any more with the more
graphic/data intense web sites . It's just the same as your "stuff"
expanding to fill all available space , as capability increases
they will expand to use it . Oh , and I've got a couple of 1T
drives for storage , seemed like I needed the space for my "stuff"
...

If you are going to go to all that, you may be better off going to
ebay and buying a whole computer. Get one with a faster processor
and more memory and win 10 already on it.
I have not checked lately, but about a year ago I wanted to get the
win 10 for free, so bought a computer with win 7 pro on it and
upgraded to win 10. Now the free upgrade is out of date, you should
be able to fine a computer with win 10 already on it. If you want
to stay with XP you can probably find a fast xp computer. Eithe way
will probably be less than $ 150.



That was my first thought ..
.. buy a $ 99. desktop Canadian dollars !
with Win 10 Pro 64 bit - here's just one example ..

http://www.eco-techrecycling.com/pcsales.php

John T.

What y'all are not understanding is that I don't want W10 , I wish to stay
with XP Pro . I MIGHT consider going to 64 bit W7 Pro , but nothing newer .
I have on hand a 64 bit Vista copy , but Vista was such a dog ... and a
copy of XP Pro 64 bit is on it's way , should arrive today .

Ok on not wanting to go with win 10. From some of your posting you say
that the main problem is with the graphics of the internet. The web
sites and brousing programs are not supporting win xp to ammount to
anything any more. That may be part of the problem.

You may have to go to win 10 to get programs that will work at speed.
One reason I put a computer on win 10 is because Turbo Tax said they
would not support win xp after last year.

You did not mention what speed your internet connection was at. Go to a
speed test web site and see what kind of download speed you are getting.
It many be that you are not getting the data fast enough.


Even FireFox doesn't support XP any more - and the Fox that runs on XP
can't handle a lot of the new web content. GO 7!!!! Internet explorer
11, or the latest Firefox. Forget about Chrome.

Try it - you'll LOVE it. XP is TOTALLY yesterday's news on SO many
counts.

So is Internet Explorer 11. Microsoft already dropped support for any
previous versions over a year ago. Switching to IE at this point as
part of his upgrade strategy is just going from a dead horse to a
dying horse. Firefox on XP is in the same boat, they are ending support
too. His problem isn't a browser, it's that XP is obsolete and over
and to be investing in upgrading an XP system doesn't make sense to me
at this point.