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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357 Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.

Congrats on your new addition! I have a S&W .357 w/a bull barrel; it's
SS and I got it from a Chief of Police friend of mine whose department was
going to the little sissy 9mm's. The gun kills a phone book dead, and works
wonders on scaring drug dealers away too. BTDT. :-)


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We are very glad you are not allowed into our country.

"Jim" wrote in message
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"Steve Cothran" wrote in message
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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357
Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over
here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.

Congrats on your new addition! I have a S&W .357 w/a bull barrel;
it's SS and I got it from a Chief of Police friend of mine whose
department was going to the little sissy 9mm's. The gun kills a
phone book dead, and works wonders on scaring drug dealers away too.
BTDT. :-)



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We have a cell waiting for you. Our prison guards are standing by.

The same one that is holding border guards that shot drug dealers fleeing
into Mexico or trying to ram border gates....
right.

"Jim" wrote in message
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"Arnold Walker" wrote
Actually , that is the case of police state supporters every time
someone like the voluteer
guard.In the church this past week show up in the news.PC for a
concealed weapon carrier like Jim....


I never really thought of myself as a volunteer security guard, but I
guess that would not be an inaccurate statement. I would certainly shoot
anyone attempting to kill another person without stopping to inquire
whether or not the intended victim is a liberal puke-brain or not.

the guard got the shooter and the police state supporters are ****ing
all over themselves tring to justify thier view.










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It means that if you armed cricket player with guns, like the US does,
they would be shooting each other also.

I prefer not to live my life in fear.

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Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have
more churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK has
a larger percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than the US.
What does that mean?


Hum. . .no answer to either question, just an insult. Must be a liberal.
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Note that I am not in favour of our current gun legislation. I think
it has done little or nothing to make us safer and has succeeded
primarily in affecting sport shooting only. Nor, in fact, am I totally
unsympathetic to the left-pondian gun-lobby. However, I do not think
that an impartial observer can ignore the fact that those nations that
are awash with guns have more gun crime.


Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have more
churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK has a larger
percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than the US. What does
that mean?


It means that you have as usual no idea what you are talking about,.

A cricket bat is and expensive specialised tool, and useless for beating
up people with.

Only a Septic would eben think of using it thus.


Sorry didn't mean to go over your head. Let try to make it a little more
simple. Are people more violent because they have weapons or are do people
have weapons because they are violent?

IOW, if I take a peaceful law abiding person and put a handgun in his hand
is he suddenly going to go out and start shooting people?


Look at North America. You have Canada with very strict gun control and
very little gun crime. You have USA with less gun control and more gun
crime. Then you have Mexico with its draconian gun conrol laws but with
all kinds of gun crime. Why doesn't your logic work? IMO, its because
its not so much the laws but the people living under the laws.


And teh pople selling them the guns...


Huh? I point a failure of logic and you make a statement that makes no
sense.


You can break it down ever farther. In the US some states (and even
counties and cities) have very strict gun control laws and others have
very lax laws. California is a state in the strict group and yet LA is a
city "awash" in gun crime. On the other hand Vermont has some, if not
the most, lax gun laws in the US (anyone over 21 w/o a criminal record
may carry a handgun, openly or concealed). Using your logic Vermont
should be a very dangerous place to live but in fact it is one of the
safest.

More evidence that your logic is flawed is in Europe. Its the often
brought out Switzerland. You want to talk about a country awash with
guns!! Almost everyone knows that the Swiss are among the most armed
people in the world with a military rifle and ammo in almost every
household. I don't remember reading anything about the latest shootings
there.


You haven't been reading very hard then.

Can you read?

Or is it all just spoon fed from FoxNews?


So there is blood flowing in the streets in Switzerland? How about in
Vermont? Can you post the news reports showing this? I guess google news,
the BBC, newsday and the other news sites I read daily have missed all of
these.



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geoff
That's what Americans think about those who like living in countries
that won't allow you to defend yourselves.

Hence the term "Red-blooded American"; we don't have **** flowing in
our veins.

No, its running down yer trouser legs every time someone waves a gun
about.


No, no, no. He said American (meaning a citizen of the USA not someone from
anywhere in North or South America) not Frenchmen.

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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357 Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.



I can't think of a more boring experience to have to undergo.
Either way.


You might want to try target shooting some time. I have found a lot of
non-shooters and several anti-gun types discover how much fun it can be once
they try it. It takes a lot more skill than most other 'lazy sports' out
there, like golf. When you add moving targets to the mix its even more fun.

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School kids get sniped by cowards every year in the USA. Almost every
student has a gun in their purse or back pocket.

Or don't you believe in weapons enough to allow your children to have
them?


My son, who is still in middle school, has two of his own and is allowed to
shoot any of mine if he ask. He has also received his first level black
belt in Tang Soo Do. Seeing as how he is well trained I'd have no problem
letting him carry a tool (a blade, firearm or other) to school is the school
would let him. FYI, there is only one weapon, your brain. Everything else
is a tool.

You don't hear about shootings in places where people know there will or
even MIGHT be several armed people.




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Yes a woman, church volunteer, private citizen
with a concealed carry permit. A good example of
what can actually work to address this problem.

So, a person who claims to be xtian then ...

What happened to "thou shalt not kill"?

I didn't notice any exceptions or exclusions there ...


You seem to only have read one small section of the Bible.


the 10 commandments - a stand alone set of rules by which all xtians are
meant to live by

no ifs no buts no excuses

even for retarded septics


You are really and truly ignorant of the Bible. The mosaic laws has many,
many 'crimes' that carry the death penalty. Usually carried out by stoning.
I could point out a few but you would probably just ignore them.

As I pointed out even Christ told his followers if they did not have a sword
(their equivalent of a firearm) that they should sell something and buy one.
I don't think he wanted them to have a sword to use as a walking stick.

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The statistics speak for themselves.


IIRC, the USSR crime statistics showed that there was almost no crime
there. Maybe we should go to using that system?

That is not what the immigrates fleeing Russia have to say about Russia.
Corruption and general mayham is so much standard procedure....that even
Hell it self sounded like an improvement
over what the machinist (we hired) lived in there.You don't normally find
Mexican machinist ,Russia and the East Bloc is a another story.


sigh Another point missed. . .The point was that stats are easily 'fixed'.
The USSR released stats showing that there was almost no crime anywhere in
the union. I could fix all the crime in the US. All you have to do is
repeal all the laws. No laws no crime.



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Actually, it wasn't an AK-47, as that is a selective-fire weapon. It
was a semi-auto only variant called an AKM.


I'm sure that's very reassuring to the families of the victims.

You wouldn't want them killed with an *illegally* owned weapon would you
?

Graham


I want factual information reported, not distortions by ignorant
agenda-driven sensationalists.


Don't hold your breath. If it bleeds it leads. The bigger the hype the
better.

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But guns are for bullies and cowards. A beer bottle full of gasoline
has to be thrown from close range and a coward isn't going to get that
close.


Use the tool that is appropriate for the task.


But they don't, that's the point. If a person is going out to try to kill a
lot of people then a handgun or even rifle is a poor tool. What's the max
number of people any one shooter has racked up?

I don't think anyone has reached a body count anywhere near the 87 killed by
one man with a can of gasoline and a match.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_Fire

IIRC, that is still the largest non-terrorist (defined as killing for
political gain or reason) mass killing in the US.

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"Steve Cothran" wrote in message
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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357 Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.

Congrats on your new addition! I have a S&W .357 w/a bull barrel; it's
SS and I got it from a Chief of Police friend of mine whose department was
going to the little sissy 9mm's. The gun kills a phone book dead, and works
wonders on scaring drug dealers away too. BTDT. :-)

The more you post, the more obvious it is that you can't be trusted with
a water pistol let alone a spud gun

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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357 Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.



I can't think of a more boring experience to have to undergo.
Either way.


You might want to try target shooting some time.


I used to, years ago

I can live without it


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Yes a woman, church volunteer, private citizen
with a concealed carry permit. A good example of
what can actually work to address this problem.

So, a person who claims to be xtian then ...

What happened to "thou shalt not kill"?

I didn't notice any exceptions or exclusions there ...

You seem to only have read one small section of the Bible.


the 10 commandments - a stand alone set of rules by which all xtians
are meant to live by

no ifs no buts no excuses

even for retarded septics


You are really and truly ignorant of the Bible. The mosaic laws has
many, many 'crimes' that carry the death penalty. Usually carried out
by stoning. I could point out a few but you would probably just ignore
them.

As I pointed out even Christ told his followers if they did not have a
sword (their equivalent of a firearm) that they should sell something
and buy one. I don't think he wanted them to have a sword to use as a
walking stick.

It just shows up yet another inconsistency in xtianity

ITYF that the 10 commandments override everything else

I bet you even call yourself a xtian


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In message , no one
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Yes a woman, church volunteer, private citizen
with a concealed carry permit. A good example of
what can actually work to address this problem.

So, a person who claims to be xtian then ...

What happened to "thou shalt not kill"?

I didn't notice any exceptions or exclusions there ...

You seem to only have read one small section of the Bible.

the 10 commandments - a stand alone set of rules by which all xtians
are meant to live by

no ifs no buts no excuses

even for retarded septics


You are really and truly ignorant of the Bible. The mosaic laws has
many, many 'crimes' that carry the death penalty. Usually carried out
by stoning. I could point out a few but you would probably just ignore


As I pointed out even Christ told his followers if they did not have a
sword (their equivalent of a firearm) that they should sell something
and buy one. I don't think he wanted them to have a sword to use as a
walking stick.

It just shows up yet another inconsistency in xtianity

ITYF that the 10 commandments override everything else

I bet you even call yourself a xtian


€œAmerica is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence
without civilization in between.€ Oscar Wilde


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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:58:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Arnold Walker" wrote
Actually , that is the case of police state supporters every time someone
like the voluteer
guard.In the church this past week show up in the news.PC for a
concealed weapon carrier like Jim....


I never really thought of myself as a volunteer security guard, but I
guess that would not be an inaccurate statement. I would certainly shoot
anyone attempting to kill another person without stopping to inquire whether
or not the intended victim is a liberal puke-brain or not.


So, if you saw someone that was going to shoot a robber, you would
take him out without thinking or getting an overview of the situation?

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SEE YA !!!
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"Trygve Lillefosse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:58:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Arnold Walker" wrote
Actually , that is the case of police state supporters every time
someone
like the voluteer
guard.In the church this past week show up in the news.PC for a
concealed weapon carrier like Jim....


I never really thought of myself as a volunteer security guard, but I
guess that would not be an inaccurate statement. I would certainly shoot
anyone attempting to kill another person without stopping to inquire
whether
or not the intended victim is a liberal puke-brain or not.


So, if you saw someone that was going to shoot a robber, you would
take him out without thinking or getting an overview of the situation?

That is part of the training for concealed weapon in most states.....you
must not have one to
know that.

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Yes a woman, church volunteer, private citizen
with a concealed carry permit. A good example of
what can actually work to address this problem.

So, a person who claims to be xtian then ...

What happened to "thou shalt not kill"?

I didn't notice any exceptions or exclusions there ...

You seem to only have read one small section of the Bible.

the 10 commandments - a stand alone set of rules by which all xtians are
meant to live by

no ifs no buts no excuses

even for retarded septics


You are really and truly ignorant of the Bible. The mosaic laws has many,
many 'crimes' that carry the death penalty. Usually carried out by
stoning. I could point out a few but you would probably just ignore them.

As I pointed out even Christ told his followers if they did not have a
sword (their equivalent of a firearm) that they should sell something and
buy one. I don't think he wanted them to have a sword to use as a walking
stick.

It just shows up yet another inconsistency in xtianity

ITYF that the 10 commandments override everything else

I bet you even call yourself a xtian

As if liberals were consistent....you might call yourself a socialist I bet.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:
"NapalmHeart" wrote in message
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"Adam-the-Kiwi" wrote
However, I do not think
that an impartial observer can ignore the fact that those nations
that
are awash with guns have more gun crime.
Well, here in America, the =right= people are buying more guns
and
getting the right to carry them. I have been investigated by the
FBI and a
psychiatrist and come through with flying colors.

I bet the loonie who killed those 8 people last week did too

You all seem to display the same mental instabilities, paranoia and
separation from reality

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geoff
That's what Americans think about those who like living in countries
that won't allow you to defend yourselves.

Hence the term "Red-blooded American"; we don't have **** flowing
in our veins.

No, its running down yer trouser legs every time someone waves a gun
about.


Hardly. I was at an indoor shooting range tonight that had about 45
people in it, all armed. No **** running down anyone's leg, nor guns
being waved about. Wouldn't be a safe gun-handling procedure.




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We have a cell waiting for you. Our prison guards are standing by.


I am a Corrections Officer (prison guard to you). People don't get
incarcerated for a justified homicide.


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We are very glad you are not allowed into our country.


Why would anyone want to go or be there?


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"Steve Cothran" wrote in message
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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357 Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.

Congrats on your new addition! I have a S&W .357 w/a bull barrel;
it's
SS and I got it from a Chief of Police friend of mine whose department
was
going to the little sissy 9mm's. The gun kills a phone book dead, and
works
wonders on scaring drug dealers away too. BTDT. :-)

The more you post, the more obvious it is that you can't be trusted
with a water pistol let alone a spud gun

The more you post, the more obvious it is that you should never be in a
position that would allow you to make such a decision about others.


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Note that I am not in favour of our current gun legislation. I
think
it has done little or nothing to make us safer and has succeeded
primarily in affecting sport shooting only. Nor, in fact, am I
totally
unsympathetic to the left-pondian gun-lobby. However, I do not
think
that an impartial observer can ignore the fact that those nations
that
are awash with guns have more gun crime.

Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have
more churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK has
a larger percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than the US.
What does that mean?


It means that you have as usual no idea what you are talking about,.

A cricket bat is and expensive specialised tool, and useless for
beating up people with.

Only a Septic would eben think of using it thus.


Sorry didn't mean to go over your head. Let try to make it a little
more simple. Are people more violent because they have weapons or are
do people have weapons because they are violent?

IOW, if I take a peaceful law abiding person and put a handgun in his
hand is he suddenly going to go out and start shooting people?


Look at North America. You have Canada with very strict gun control
and very little gun crime. You have USA with less gun control and
more gun crime. Then you have Mexico with its draconian gun conrol
laws but with all kinds of gun crime. Why doesn't your logic work?
IMO, its because its not so much the laws but the people living
under the laws.


And teh pople selling them the guns...


Huh? I point a failure of logic and you make a statement that makes
no sense.


You can break it down ever farther. In the US some states (and even
counties and cities) have very strict gun control laws and others
have very lax laws. California is a state in the strict group and
yet LA is a city "awash" in gun crime. On the other hand Vermont
has some, if not the most, lax gun laws in the US (anyone over 21
w/o a criminal record may carry a handgun, openly or concealed).
Using your logic Vermont should be a very dangerous place to live
but in fact it is one of the safest.

More evidence that your logic is flawed is in Europe. Its the often
brought out Switzerland. You want to talk about a country awash
with guns!! Almost everyone knows that the Swiss are among the most
armed people in the world with a military rifle and ammo in almost
every household. I don't remember reading anything about the latest
shootings there.


You haven't been reading very hard then.

Can you read?

Or is it all just spoon fed from FoxNews?


So there is blood flowing in the streets in Switzerland? How about in
Vermont? Can you post the news reports showing this? I guess google
news, the BBC, newsday and the other news sites I read daily have
missed all of these.


I went shopping last night with a Glock 23 on my hip and under my coat.
No one else knew and surprisingly, no one was shot. If the Eurotards
were right it would have overpowered my cerebral cortex, forced its way
into my hand, and caused me to commit mass-murder.


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We are very glad you are not allowed into our country.


Why would anyone want to go or be there?


Damn...you beat me to it. I guess if maybe I was gay and looking for a
selection of submissive males, maybe, but can't think of another good
reason.


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Lillefosse writes
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:58:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Arnold Walker" wrote
Actually , that is the case of police state supporters every time someone
like the voluteer
guard.In the church this past week show up in the news.PC for a
concealed weapon carrier like Jim....


I never really thought of myself as a volunteer security guard, but I
guess that would not be an inaccurate statement. I would certainly shoot
anyone attempting to kill another person without stopping to inquire whether
or not the intended victim is a liberal puke-brain or not.


So, if you saw someone that was going to shoot a robber, you would
take him out without thinking or getting an overview of the situation?

He's a braindead redneck - he's do anything that gave him that wild west
vigilante buzz


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Congrats on your new addition! I have a S&W .357 w/a bull barrel;
it's
SS and I got it from a Chief of Police friend of mine whose department
was
going to the little sissy 9mm's. The gun kills a phone book dead, and
works
wonders on scaring drug dealers away too. BTDT. :-)

The more you post, the more obvious it is that you can't be trusted
with a water pistol let alone a spud gun

The more you post, the more obvious it is that you should never be in a
position that would allow you to make such a decision about others.

You seem to be a professional in missing the obvious point

I have no desire to be in such a position, and because we don't have
retards like you running about waving your weapons about to demonstrate
your other inadequacies


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the 10 commandments - a stand alone set of rules by which all xtians are
meant to live by

no ifs no buts no excuses

even for retarded septics

You are really and truly ignorant of the Bible. The mosaic laws has many,
many 'crimes' that carry the death penalty. Usually carried out by
stoning. I could point out a few but you would probably just ignore them.

As I pointed out even Christ told his followers if they did not have a
sword (their equivalent of a firearm) that they should sell something and
buy one. I don't think he wanted them to have a sword to use as a walking
stick.

It just shows up yet another inconsistency in xtianity

ITYF that the 10 commandments override everything else

I bet you even call yourself a xtian

As if liberals were consistent....you might call yourself a socialist I bet.


hardly, but your narrow window on life probably can't accept the breadth
of the spectrum of people

clue, it's not just rednecks or socialists


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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:02:16 GMT, geoff wrote:


You seem to be a professional in missing the obvious point


And are you!!!!


I have no desire to be in such a position, and because we don't have
retards like you running about waving your weapons about to demonstrate
your other inadequacies


Americans do not give a good God-Damn about how your Sissy State is
run....where you have the State to change every ****ty diaper. We
will just keep it off our side and change our own ****ty diapers.
Thank you.



Do what you ****ing like - you're still a bunch of retards

.... who have just done an a U turn at the Bali climate summit

It'll soon be against the law for you to talk - you produce too much hot
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:02:16 GMT, geoff wrote:


You seem to be a professional in missing the obvious point


And are you!!!!


I have no desire to be in such a position, and because we don't have
retards like you running about waving your weapons about to demonstrate
your other inadequacies


Americans do not give a good God-Damn about how your Sissy State is
run....where you have the State to change every ****ty diaper. We
will just keep it off our side and change our own ****ty diapers.
Thank you.


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Jim wrote:
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It is rather funny that they would refer to us as "Ameristan" when Europe
is getting Islamified from the inside out. Their countries and culture
will be taken from them and flushed before they can do a damn thing about
it.


Yeah, they really don't know anything about America. Their ignorance
shows every time their fingers type. Folks here are ready for another
right-wing rebellion, cuz we sure didn't get the one W promised us, and
Nancy Pelosi hasn't done a damned thing to help anyone.
I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! will be our new
rallying cry.


Nah, you're just plain mad, as in foaming at the mouth. You've had
almost 8 years of total right wing nonsense
that has bankrupted the country and blamed democrats like they had been
in control of all branches of the
government the whole time Bush has been in office. The end result is the
country is in the worst shape in living
memory, you need a revolution all right, but not a right wing one.
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Note that I am not in favour of our current gun legislation. I
think
it has done little or nothing to make us safer and has succeeded
primarily in affecting sport shooting only. Nor, in fact, am I
totally
unsympathetic to the left-pondian gun-lobby. However, I do not
think
that an impartial observer can ignore the fact that those nations
that
are awash with guns have more gun crime.

Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have
more churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK has
a larger percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than the US.
What does that mean?


It means that you have as usual no idea what you are talking about,.

A cricket bat is and expensive specialised tool, and useless for
beating up people with.

Only a Septic would eben think of using it thus.

Sorry didn't mean to go over your head. Let try to make it a little
more simple. Are people more violent because they have weapons or are
do people have weapons because they are violent?

IOW, if I take a peaceful law abiding person and put a handgun in his
hand is he suddenly going to go out and start shooting people?



Look at North America. You have Canada with very strict gun control
and very little gun crime. You have USA with less gun control and
more gun crime. Then you have Mexico with its draconian gun conrol
laws but with all kinds of gun crime. Why doesn't your logic work?
IMO, its because its not so much the laws but the people living
under the laws.


And teh pople selling them the guns...

Huh? I point a failure of logic and you make a statement that makes
no sense.



You can break it down ever farther. In the US some states (and even
counties and cities) have very strict gun control laws and others
have very lax laws. California is a state in the strict group and
yet LA is a city "awash" in gun crime. On the other hand Vermont
has some, if not the most, lax gun laws in the US (anyone over 21
w/o a criminal record may carry a handgun, openly or concealed).
Using your logic Vermont should be a very dangerous place to live
but in fact it is one of the safest.

More evidence that your logic is flawed is in Europe. Its the often
brought out Switzerland. You want to talk about a country awash
with guns!! Almost everyone knows that the Swiss are among the most
armed people in the world with a military rifle and ammo in almost
every household. I don't remember reading anything about the latest
shootings there.


You haven't been reading very hard then.

Can you read?

Or is it all just spoon fed from FoxNews?

So there is blood flowing in the streets in Switzerland? How about in
Vermont? Can you post the news reports showing this? I guess google
news, the BBC, newsday and the other news sites I read daily have
missed all of these.


I went shopping last night with a Glock 23 on my hip and under my coat.
No one else knew and surprisingly, no one was shot. If the Eurotards
were right it would have overpowered my cerebral cortex, forced its way
into my hand, and caused me to commit mass-murder.



Take a gun to the mall? Sounds chicken**** to me, what do you take to a
real scary open place like
a playground, a bazooka?
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Jim wrote:
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It is rather funny that they would refer to us as "Ameristan" when
Europe is getting Islamified from the inside out. Their countries
and culture will be taken from them and flushed before they can do a
damn thing about it.


Yeah, they really don't know anything about America. Their
ignorance shows every time their fingers type. Folks here are ready
for another right-wing rebellion, cuz we sure didn't get the one W
promised us, and Nancy Pelosi hasn't done a damned thing to help anyone.
I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! will be
our new rallying cry.


Nah, you're just plain mad, as in foaming at the mouth. You've had
almost 8 years of total right wing nonsense
that has bankrupted the country and blamed democrats like they had been
in control of all branches of the
government the whole time Bush has been in office. The end result is
the country is in the worst shape in living
memory, you need a revolution all right, but not a right wing one.


intelligence across the pond at last

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They don't want to kill a lot of people and they are also lazy. They
use the tool that they can find in their closet 'cause their
brainwashing politicians say they should have one there.

"no one" wrote in message
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But guns are for bullies and cowards. A beer bottle full of
gasoline
has to be thrown from close range and a coward isn't going to get
that close.


Use the tool that is appropriate for the task.


But they don't, that's the point. If a person is going out to try
to kill a lot of people then a handgun or even rifle is a poor tool.
What's the max number of people any one shooter has racked up?

I don't think anyone has reached a body count anywhere near the 87
killed by one man with a can of gasoline and a match.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_Fire

IIRC, that is still the largest non-terrorist (defined as killing
for political gain or reason) mass killing in the US.



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Except for yourself. You are a brainwashed tool.

careful. Better go shoot somebody before they think of hurting you.

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School kids get sniped by cowards every year in the USA. Almost
every student has a gun in their purse or back pocket.

Or don't you believe in weapons enough to allow your children to
have them?


My son, who is still in middle school, has two of his own and is
allowed to shoot any of mine if he ask. He has also received his
first level black belt in Tang Soo Do. Seeing as how he is well
trained I'd have no problem letting him carry a tool (a blade,
firearm or other) to school is the school would let him. FYI, there
is only one weapon, your brain. Everything else is a tool.

You don't hear about shootings in places where people know there
will or even MIGHT be several armed people.








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You enter out country you will be sent back or imprisoned.



"NapalmHeart" wrote in message
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"Solar Flare" wrote in message
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We have a cell waiting for you. Our prison guards are standing by.


I am a Corrections Officer (prison guard to you). People don't get
incarcerated for a justified homicide.



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These idiots are the reason for gun controls and laws.

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , Trygve
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:58:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Arnold Walker" wrote
Actually , that is the case of police state supporters every time
someone
like the voluteer
guard.In the church this past week show up in the news.PC for a
concealed weapon carrier like Jim....

I never really thought of myself as a volunteer security guard,
but I
guess that would not be an inaccurate statement. I would certainly
shoot
anyone attempting to kill another person without stopping to
inquire whether
or not the intended victim is a liberal puke-brain or not.


So, if you saw someone that was going to shoot a robber, you would
take him out without thinking or getting an overview of the
situation?

He's a braindead redneck - he's do anything that gave him that wild
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I used to shoot guns and kill things

and then I grew up and started obeying the law more.

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Well, this has sure been a fun thread, I has really gotten me to
thinking. So much so that I bought yet another handgun. A .357
Ruger
SP101. Why? Because I can. Sorry, sissies. Come over to my house
friendly-like and we'll punch holes in paper with it. Come over
here
unfriendly-like and I'll punch a hole in you with it.



I can't think of a more boring experience to have to undergo.
Either way.


You might want to try target shooting some time.


I used to, years ago

I can live without it


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Why would anybody want to discuss your trolling technique. Not bad.

PLONK

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We are very glad you are not allowed into our country.


Why would anyone want to go or be there?



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No insult. Only stating an answer to a stupid conjecture.

"no one" wrote in message
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It means that if you armed cricket player with guns, like the US
does, they would be shooting each other also.

I prefer not to live my life in fear.

"no one" wrote in message
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Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have
more churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK
has a larger percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than
the US. What does that mean?


Hum. . .no answer to either question, just an insult. Must be a
liberal.



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