Note that I am not in favour of our current gun legislation. I think
it has done little or nothing to make us safer and has succeeded
primarily in affecting sport shooting only. Nor, in fact, am I totally
unsympathetic to the left-pondian gun-lobby. However, I do not think
that an impartial observer can ignore the fact that those nations that
are awash with guns have more gun crime.

Is that a cause or an effect? A Christian country tends to have more
churches than a Muslim one. I'm willing to bet that the UK has a larger
percentage of people beaten with cricket bats than the US. What does
that mean?


It means that you have as usual no idea what you are talking about,.

A cricket bat is and expensive specialised tool, and useless for beating
up people with.

Only a Septic would eben think of using it thus.

Sorry didn't mean to go over your head. Let try to make it a little more
simple. Are people more violent because they have weapons or are do people
have weapons because they are violent?

IOW, if I take a peaceful law abiding person and put a handgun in his hand
is he suddenly going to go out and start shooting people?


Look at North America. You have Canada with very strict gun control and
very little gun crime. You have USA with less gun control and more gun
crime. Then you have Mexico with its draconian gun conrol laws but with
all kinds of gun crime. Why doesn't your logic work? IMO, its because
its not so much the laws but the people living under the laws.


And teh pople selling them the guns...

Huh? I point a failure of logic and you make a statement that makes no
sense.


You can break it down ever farther. In the US some states (and even
counties and cities) have very strict gun control laws and others have
very lax laws. California is a state in the strict group and yet LA is a
city "awash" in gun crime. On the other hand Vermont has some, if not
the most, lax gun laws in the US (anyone over 21 w/o a criminal record
may carry a handgun, openly or concealed). Using your logic Vermont
should be a very dangerous place to live but in fact it is one of the
safest.

More evidence that your logic is flawed is in Europe. Its the often
brought out Switzerland. You want to talk about a country awash with
guns!! Almost everyone knows that the Swiss are among the most armed
people in the world with a military rifle and ammo in almost every
household. I don't remember reading anything about the latest shootings
there.


You haven't been reading very hard then.

Can you read?

Or is it all just spoon fed from FoxNews?

So there is blood flowing in the streets in Switzerland? How about in
Vermont? Can you post the news reports showing this? I guess google news,
the BBC, newsday and the other news sites I read daily have missed all of
these.