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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:57:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:55:24 PM UTC-6, wrote: Driving has long been considered a privelege, not a right. Your comparison doesn't hold water. Do you consider using a table saw a right? Certainly. I'd classify it as a privilege too. There is some document written hundreds of years ago talking about the pursuit of happiness. Maybe table saws fall under that saying. Using table saws is a privilege. The government can mandate insurance and/or safety devices. Maybe you have a table saw license? Can anyone give an example of a law that required using a patented, licensed device? This question still stands. Does anyone have an example of a government mandated device that was still under license and restricted? ABS, airbags, seatbelts were all public property free to everyone when they were mandated. |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:48:02 -0500, Bill
wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 12:57 PM, wrote: On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:55:24 PM UTC-6, wrote: Driving has long been considered a privelege, not a right. Your comparison doesn't hold water. Do you consider using a table saw a right? I'd classify it as a privilege too. There is some document written hundreds of years ago talking about the pursuit of happiness. Maybe table saws fall under that saying. Using table saws is a privilege. The government can mandate insurance and/or safety devices. I see it as a right. Your insurance company could say they wouldn't accept liability associated with it. Of course they can. They can refuse to insure my life, too. What exactly is you point? There are no laws governing how I use it, no requirements or registration to buy one. I can use it for personal pleasure or as a tool to earn a living. Show me the government mandates. |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:47:06 -0500, Bill
wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 1:48 PM, Bill wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 12:57 PM, wrote: On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:55:24 PM UTC-6, wrote: Driving has long been considered a privelege, not a right. Your comparison doesn't hold water. Do you consider using a table saw a right? I'd classify it as a privilege too. There is some document written hundreds of years ago talking about the pursuit of happiness. Maybe table saws fall under that saying. Using table saws is a privilege. The government can mandate insurance and/or safety devices. I see it as a right. Your insurance company could say they wouldn't accept liability associated with it So? They haven't. I do know our carrier for Workmen's Comp is asking customers to buy a SawStop or equal but have not stopped insuring. That is anecdotal as we don't have saws at work. Still a right Some say smoking is a "right". But if they charge $10 a pack, hasn't the right been taken away from you? You have a right to buy food an water, too. It's not free and usually taxed. I still don't get your point. |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:08:55 -0500, Bill
wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 1:48 PM, Bill wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/11/2017 12:57 PM, wrote: On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:55:24 PM UTC-6, wrote: Driving has long been considered a privelege, not a right. Your comparison doesn't hold water. Do you consider using a table saw a right? I'd classify it as a privilege too. There is some document written hundreds of years ago talking about the pursuit of happiness. Maybe table saws fall under that saying. Using table saws is a privilege. The government can mandate insurance and/or safety devices. I see it as a right. Your insurance company could say they wouldn't accept liability associated with it So? They haven't. I do know our carrier for Workmen's Comp is asking customers to buy a SawStop or equal but have not stopped insuring. That is anecdotal as we don't have saws at work. Still a right Some say smoking is a "right". But if they charge $10 a pack, hasn't the right been taken away from you? No, just made more expensive. I gave it up 40+ years ago. You can grow your own tobacco if you want. If you don't agree that some would use taxation to take away you rights, you may just not have seen high enough rates yet... Charge a "birth tax" and see if you can't affect population growth. No one said that taxes don't change behavior. Only lefties believe that twaddle. OTOH, death taxes haven't stopped people from dying. ;-) |
#127
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. I've had the actuators fail in Myriad different modes, including a piston unwinding right off the actuator screw, activators seizing, and pump motors (in the activator) burning out. Activator failures are very hard to diagnose - in many of the cases no warning lights came on - the ABS just stopped working -often along with one half of the braking system. On the one with the spun off system I could even bleed the brakes, but could never get any pressure - to the point a leaky line didn't even show up untill the activator was replaced.. I've had them so sensitive that replacing a damaged tire with a new one after about 10,000km threw the system into a fit, and in much of our winter driving conditions it is virtually impossible to stop with quite a few vehicles with ABS (particularly with OEM wide tires installed - (even all season or snow tires). All ABS does in those situations is make sure you hit what you hit square on. Benz basically put their patent "into the public domain" because they knew there were so many ways to re-engineer the system to get around their patent that they would spend millions ineffectively trying to defend the patent - due in part to the prior state of the science which rendered the patent almost undefendable. It had all been done, in one way or another, by someone else before them. Their releasing the patent just made it a lot simpler for everyone else yto move ahead without worrying about patent infringement suites like the old Selden Patent fiasco. Uh, huh, right. So there was not one iotia of altruism involved, in your opinion. Absolutely convinced. Have you ever had to deal with Mercedes Benz??? |
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On 2/11/2017 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. GM was never able to (permanently) fix the ABS on my 2001 GMC truck. After numerous repairs and almost killing me several times on dry pavement, I gave up and pulled the ABS fuse to prevent them going off under normal breaking conditions. All you need is to have the ABS go off on a dry day on concrete at 50 mph when attempting to make a routine stop behind a line of traffic. This was apparently common with GM as two inspection garages told me it was common and most just pull the fuse and disable the ABS. That "fixed" it, so next, the brake lines rusted out. When your braking ability suddenly is reduced to 50% for no apparent reason other than the ABS deciding to activate for no reason, you learn quickly just how much force your brake peddle can handle w/o breaking/bending. Trust me, it is a lot. GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
#130
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:32:39 -0500, Jack wrote:
How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Protecting the margin and ignoring the prefered winter treatment on asphalt and concrete. |
#131
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On 2/9/2017 8:11 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
C'mon people. Every time anyone even mentions Sawstop someone resurrects the brouhaha we've had several times now. Whatever your opinion, you're not changing others. Can't we just let it go? Get back to woodworking? Even a political thread would be more interesting :-). Why is it when a lot of people engage in a topic they find interesting, someone attempts to impose their personal disinterest on the rest of the group. Why can't you just skip the topics you are not interested in, that's what most people would do? You are free to open or participate in anything you are interested in, although some would like you to do an intensive Google search to make sure any issues have not already been covered somewhere on the net before mentioning them here. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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In article , jbstein2
@comcast.net says... On 2/11/2017 8:48 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. GM was never able to (permanently) fix the ABS on my 2001 GMC truck. After numerous repairs and almost killing me several times on dry pavement, I gave up and pulled the ABS fuse to prevent them going off under normal breaking conditions. All you need is to have the ABS go off on a dry day on concrete at 50 mph when attempting to make a routine stop behind a line of traffic. This was apparently common with GM as two inspection garages told me it was common and most just pull the fuse and disable the ABS. That "fixed" it, so next, the brake lines rusted out. When your braking ability suddenly is reduced to 50% for no apparent reason other than the ABS deciding to activate for no reason, you learn quickly just how much force your brake peddle can handle w/o breaking/bending. Trust me, it is a lot. GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Also look into recall 05V379000. |
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On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:54:04 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
I mentioned the recyclable trash bags that the City of Houlston requires for yard waste. they are patented and required by the city if you are going to throw away yard waste. While not a vehicle component it is an example of a product that has to be used with the city's approval code, if you are going to throw yard refuse away. I guess the refuse bags sort of, kind of meet what I was asking. Although I doubt plastic bags are patented. They are specifically marked for Houston use. But anyone could make a similar bag out of petroleum and put the same markings on the bag and sell it for refuse use in Houston. And I suspect other landfills in your area or another county will accept yard waste without the specific Houston bag. I'm guessing the bags are required only if you want the city of Houston to pick up the waste from your curb. You are buying their service and are required to use their procedures. When I buy my cable TV I have to use their receiver box. With waste pickup its built into the water bill you get each month so not really a choice. In my city for picking up Christmas trees on the curb you have to buy a special ribbon and tie it onto the tree for the city workers to pick up the tree. Can't remember how we do yard waste. Might be the same as Houston. |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:43:20 -0500, Jack wrote:
C'mon people. Every time anyone even mentions Sawstop someone resurrects the brouhaha we've had several times now. Whatever your opinion, you're not changing others. Can't we just let it go? Get back to woodworking? Even a political thread would be more interesting :-). Why is it when a lot of people engage in a topic they find interesting, someone attempts to impose their personal disinterest on the rest of the group. Why can't you just skip the topics you are not interested in, that's what most people would do? I found the topic quite interesting the first time it generated a massive response. Even the second time gave me a few more snippets of info. But now it just elicits an "Oh no, not again" response. In other words, it's not that the topic isn't of interest, it's that its been beaten to death already. Now if you're a newbie, I forgive you. You haven't seen all the previous incarnations. But what I see is mostly the same posters with the same opinions they've had since the beginning. I wonder if some of them have any time left to do woodworking? -- What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie? |
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On 2/12/2017 12:55 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:43:20 -0500, Jack wrote: C'mon people. Every time anyone even mentions Sawstop someone resurrects the brouhaha we've had several times now. Whatever your opinion, you're not changing others. Can't we just let it go? Get back to woodworking? Even a political thread would be more interesting :-). Why is it when a lot of people engage in a topic they find interesting, someone attempts to impose their personal disinterest on the rest of the group. Why can't you just skip the topics you are not interested in, that's what most people would do? I found the topic quite interesting the first time it generated a massive response. Even the second time gave me a few more snippets of info. But now it just elicits an "Oh no, not again" response. In other words, it's not that the topic isn't of interest, it's that its been beaten to death already. Now if you're a newbie, I forgive you. You haven't seen all the previous incarnations. But what I see is mostly the same posters with the same opinions they've had since the beginning. But Larry, the same could be said about, why is my finish doing such and such. What brand such and such do you use? Most any question or topic you see here has surly been covered a dozen times. If topics were not repeated there would be no conversation. I wonder if some of them have any time left to do woodworking? Well, I tend to defend the SawStop regardless of how it got there and I might be considered a newby, I have only been posting here for 18 years. And I seem to be one of the very few that actually post pictures of my projects on a regular basis. So you know that I am building. It just might be the ones that are not building that do not have enough actual experience to have a valid/relevant opinion. Not jumping you!, I'm just saying in general. ;~) |
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On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 1:45:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
....snip... Can't remember how we do yard waste. ....snip... I carry mine over to the woods across the street and toss it down the hill. By the next season, it's all composted down to nothing. 35 years and have never bagged a leaf (and we have a lot of trees!) or grass clipping. :-) I give and I take. The woods are a great source of kindling for our fire pit. There's some downed trees too, but the hill is way too steep to bring anything up. |
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On 2/12/2017 12:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , jbstein2 @comcast.net says... On 2/11/2017 8:48 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. GM was never able to (permanently) fix the ABS on my 2001 GMC truck. After numerous repairs and almost killing me several times on dry pavement, I gave up and pulled the ABS fuse to prevent them going off under normal breaking conditions. All you need is to have the ABS go off on a dry day on concrete at 50 mph when attempting to make a routine stop behind a line of traffic. This was apparently common with GM as two inspection garages told me it was common and most just pull the fuse and disable the ABS. That "fixed" it, so next, the brake lines rusted out. When your braking ability suddenly is reduced to 50% for no apparent reason other than the ABS deciding to activate for no reason, you learn quickly just how much force your brake peddle can handle w/o breaking/bending. Trust me, it is a lot. GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Also look into recall 05V379000. You are not being specific with the SS you mentioned but it will indeed rust if a magnet will stick to it. |
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On 2/12/2017 12:45 PM, wrote: I guess the refuse bags sort of, kind of meet what I was asking. Although I doubt plastic bags are patented. They are specifically marked for Houston use. But anyone could make a similar bag out of petroleum and put the same markings on the bag and sell it for refuse use in Houston. Evidently you know little about bags. Most people have no reason to study them. Yes, some are patented as they use a particular blend of material, have certain properties or closures. The industry continues to to advance. |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:27:08 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , jbstein2 says... On 2/11/2017 8:48 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. GM was never able to (permanently) fix the ABS on my 2001 GMC truck. After numerous repairs and almost killing me several times on dry pavement, I gave up and pulled the ABS fuse to prevent them going off under normal breaking conditions. All you need is to have the ABS go off on a dry day on concrete at 50 mph when attempting to make a routine stop behind a line of traffic. This was apparently common with GM as two inspection garages told me it was common and most just pull the fuse and disable the ABS. That "fixed" it, so next, the brake lines rusted out. When your braking ability suddenly is reduced to 50% for no apparent reason other than the ABS deciding to activate for no reason, you learn quickly just how much force your brake peddle can handle w/o breaking/bending. Trust me, it is a lot. GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Also look into recall 05V379000. The copper alloy lines used by many european manufacturers lastrs virtually forever.(Copper-nickel alloy C70600,) It is becoming more readily available in the North American Automotive Aftermarket over the last few years. |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:54:04 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: I mentioned the recyclable trash bags that the City of Houlston requires for yard waste. they are patented and required by the city if you are going to throw away yard waste. While not a vehicle component it is an example of a product that has to be used with the city's approval code, if you are going to throw yard refuse away. I guess the refuse bags sort of, kind of meet what I was asking. Although I doubt plastic bags are patented. They are specifically marked for Houston use. But anyone could make a similar bag out of petroleum and put the same markings on the bag and sell it for refuse use in Houston. And I suspect other landfills in your area or another county will accept yard waste without the specific Houston bag. I'm guessing the bags are required only if you want the city of Houston to pick up the waste from your curb. You are buying their service and are required to use their procedures. When I buy my cable TV I have to use their receiver box. With waste pickup its built into the water bill you get each month so not really a choice. In my city for picking up Christmas trees on the curb you have to buy a special ribbon and tie it onto the tree for the city workers to pick up the tree. Can't remember how we do yard waste. Might be the same as Houston. The bags are not made of petro-plastic. They are (at least the ones we use here for composible refuse - food waste etc) made of corn or soy and are fully biodegradable. And they ARE patented (AT least the plastic they are made of is) and the few companies authorized to make them DO have an "enforced monopoly" For yard waste we have to use multi-layer paper bags which are widely available from many suppliers and retailers. |
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#143
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:54:04 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: I mentioned the recyclable trash bags that the City of Houlston requires for yard waste. they are patented and required by the city if you are going to throw away yard waste. While not a vehicle component it is an example of a product that has to be used with the city's approval code, if you are going to throw yard refuse away. I guess the refuse bags sort of, kind of meet what I was asking. Although I doubt plastic bags are patented. They are specifically marked for Houston use. But anyone could make a similar bag out of petroleum and put the same markings on the bag and sell it for refuse use in Houston. And I suspect other landfills in your area or another county will accept yard waste without the specific Houston bag. I'm guessing the bags are required only if you want the city of Houston to pick up the waste from your curb. You are buying their service and are required to use their procedures. When I buy my cable TV I have to use their receiver box. With waste pickup its built into the water bill you get each month so not really a choice. In my city for picking up Christmas trees on the curb you have to buy a special ribbon and tie it onto the tree for the city workers to pick up the tree. Can't remember how we do yard waste. Might be the same as Houston. Why would you believe that plastic bags couldn't be patented. I can easily imagine that a patent would be granted on some greenie bio-degradable, not-from-oil, bag or the process from which it's made. |
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In article srqdndLNJIliLj3FnZ2dnUU7-
, lcb11211@swbelldotnet says... On 2/12/2017 12:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , jbstein2 @comcast.net says... On 2/11/2017 8:48 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" Just google "abs problems". I've had sensors fail. I've had reluctor wheels split and spin, split and jam, and split and fall off. I've had them rust, and I've had them fill with crud between the teeth - all rendering them inneffective. I've had wires break and connections corrode.. I've had to replace very expensive wheel bearing assemblies because the sensor built into them failed. What do you _do_ to the poor things? The only ABS maintenance my Jeep has needed in 20 years was having one cable replaced after it got snagged on something or other and got physically ripped off. I FIX the damned things. GM was never able to (permanently) fix the ABS on my 2001 GMC truck. After numerous repairs and almost killing me several times on dry pavement, I gave up and pulled the ABS fuse to prevent them going off under normal breaking conditions. All you need is to have the ABS go off on a dry day on concrete at 50 mph when attempting to make a routine stop behind a line of traffic. This was apparently common with GM as two inspection garages told me it was common and most just pull the fuse and disable the ABS. That "fixed" it, so next, the brake lines rusted out. When your braking ability suddenly is reduced to 50% for no apparent reason other than the ABS deciding to activate for no reason, you learn quickly just how much force your brake peddle can handle w/o breaking/bending. Trust me, it is a lot. GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Also look into recall 05V379000. You are not being specific with the SS you mentioned but it will indeed rust if a magnet will stick to it. I'm not being specific because my statment is true of _all_ stainless steel. Google "crevice corrosion". |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:10:50 -0600, Leon wrote:
But Larry, the same could be said about, why is my finish doing such and such. What brand such and such do you use? Most any question or topic you see here has surly been covered a dozen times. If topics were not repeated there would be no conversation. Agreed. There'll always be a need to re-answer old questions as new people show up. But few topics inspire passionate responses by the hundreds every time :-). -- What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie? |
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On 2/12/2017 6:52 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:10:50 -0600, Leon wrote: But Larry, the same could be said about, why is my finish doing such and such. What brand such and such do you use? Most any question or topic you see here has surly been covered a dozen times. If topics were not repeated there would be no conversation. Agreed. There'll always be a need to re-answer old questions as new people show up. But few topics inspire passionate responses by the hundreds every time :-). Thanks for keeping us in line Larry. ;~) |
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On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Not true with my exhaust system. The stainless steel exhaust has never once been cleaned and it is now 16+ years old, and in the rust belt. Surely GM could have used the same stuff in the brake lines, which is magnitudes more important than the exhaust system as far as safety goes. Also look into recall 05V379000. Thanks for that, I never received that recall notice, but did get the notice on the tailgate straps. I looked it up and the recall is for them to clean the sensors. That works temporarily until they get dirty again. They also are to check the wheel speed sensor, which apparently doesn't work on my truck, allowing the screwed up ABS system to fire off at high speeds? Not sure why it wouldn't go off at high speeds if you are sliding, but who knows? Personally, after several heart stopping misfires on dry pavement, I don't want ABS period if there is ever a chance they will fire off at the wrong time. I think I'll just leave the fuse out rather than risk my life with a defective system. They sued VW billions for cheating on MPG crap, I think braking systems are WAY more important and GM should be sued out of business for the crappy ABS stuff and for sure the rusting brake line crap. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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On 2/12/2017 1:55 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:43:20 -0500, Jack wrote: C'mon people. Every time anyone even mentions Sawstop someone resurrects the brouhaha we've had several times now. Whatever your opinion, you're not changing others. Can't we just let it go? Get back to woodworking? Even a political thread would be more interesting :-). Why is it when a lot of people engage in a topic they find interesting, someone attempts to impose their personal disinterest on the rest of the group. Why can't you just skip the topics you are not interested in, that's what most people would do? I found the topic quite interesting the first time it generated a massive response. Even the second time gave me a few more snippets of info. But now it just elicits an "Oh no, not again" response. That's fine, you don't like it, skip it. In other words, it's not that the topic isn't of interest, it's that its been beaten to death already. Now if you're a newbie, I forgive you. Should everyone but newbies ask forgiveness for participating in topics Larry is no longer interested in? You haven't seen all the previous incarnations. But what I see is mostly the same posters with the same opinions they've had since the beginning. If you were forced to read every message posted, I could see you trying to get everyone to kowtow to your views, but of course you are free to read what you want. If a topic is popular, naturally it will garner plenty of response. If it's not popular, it will die a natural death, with no need for Larry's help. In the old (very, very old days, before the internet) People like you would bitch because it wasted bandwidth. It was a lie then, because it wasn't really about the bandwidth, it was a control freak issue, just as it is today. I wonder if some of them have any time left to do woodworking? Yeah, right. You're worried that people participating in a topic you find not interesting is keeping them from woodworking. That's a new twist on the bandwidth crap. Just skip what you don't like and stop trying to control everything. -- Jack If we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for? http://jbstein.com |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 11:19:22 -0500, Jack wrote:
If a topic is popular, naturally it will garner plenty of response. Agreed. But on the Sawstop topic it's mostly the same 5-10 posters who've been obsessing on the issue since the beginning. According to Google, there have been 164 posts by only 17 authors. 'Nuff said? It was a lie then, because it wasn't really about the bandwidth, it was a control freak issue, just as it is today. My wife and friends got a good laugh out of that one! If there are any control freaks here, it's the ones who decry or defend the ethics of the Sawstop founder. But you've convinced me that I'm ****ing into the wind. So I'll stop. -- What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie? |
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On 2/13/2017 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
So you never go through a car wash? And what pressure does your exhaust have to withstand? What pressure do your brake lines have to withstand? It doesn't matter what the brake lines are made of, a 16 year old vehicle should have them inspected and replaced as necessary. You're expecting magic materials to take the place of proper maintenance. I'd agree if the lines lasted that long. In 55 years of driving, I never replaced corroded brake lines until rather recently. I drove plenty of 10 to 15 year old crap cars but two newer cars (2001 and 2010) needed brake lines after six years. That said, the 2001 Buick was falling apart in six years and I ended up giving it away. Last GM car for me. |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:07:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/13/2017 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote: So you never go through a car wash? And what pressure does your exhaust have to withstand? What pressure do your brake lines have to withstand? It doesn't matter what the brake lines are made of, a 16 year old vehicle should have them inspected and replaced as necessary. You're expecting magic materials to take the place of proper maintenance. I'd agree if the lines lasted that long. In 55 years of driving, I never replaced corroded brake lines until rather recently. I drove plenty of 10 to 15 year old crap cars but two newer cars (2001 and 2010) needed brake lines after six years. That said, the 2001 Buick was falling apart in six years and I ended up giving it away. Last GM car for me. My 1985 LeBaron rotted the lines - but at about the same point where the body was too weak to put it on the hoist to repair it The 1995 TransSport also split a line. I've seen a lot of late model cars rust the line under the clip that holds it in place. (Plastic or metal clip doesn't seem to make a difference) m 21 year old ford Ranger still has all original lines but it has been under-oiled since new and all the lines are well caked with a layer of grease and dirt. (just watch - now one will let go - serve me right for opening my big mouth - - - ) |
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On 2/13/2017 10:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote: GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Not true with my exhaust system. The stainless steel exhaust has never once been cleaned and it is now 16+ years old, and in the rust belt. Surely GM could have used the same stuff in the brake lines, which is magnitudes more important than the exhaust system as far as safety goes. So you never go through a car wash? In the south a good many car washes do not hit the bottom of the vehicle, only the wheels/wheel wells and the body. But the old exhaust systems rusted from within. Lot's of nasty crap coming from inside the exhaust including condensation that mixes to form some concoction. Remember the sulfur smell that was very common with GM vehicles equipped with catalytic converters in the 70's? These systems rusted out quickly and then the stainless steel exhaust systems began showing up and the problem has virtually gone away down here. The old steel exhaust systems looked fine on the outside but with just a little pressure with a pair of channel locks and you could easily crush and put a hole in the pipe. |
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On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/13/2017 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote: So you never go through a car wash? And what pressure does your exhaust have to withstand? What pressure do your brake lines have to withstand? It doesn't matter what the brake lines are made of, a 16 year old vehicle should have them inspected and replaced as necessary. You're expecting magic materials to take the place of proper maintenance. I'd agree if the lines lasted that long. In 55 years of driving, I never replaced corroded brake lines until rather recently. I drove plenty of 10 to 15 year old crap cars but two newer cars (2001 and 2010) needed brake lines after six years. That said, the 2001 Buick was falling apart in six years and I ended up giving it away. Last GM car for me. 2002 Mitsubishi Galant. Brake lines rusted out, strut towers rusted out, body rusted out, water was leaking in from under the globe compartment. I sold it to my mechanic for the price of scrap so he could teach his son how to fix cars. 2 weeks later he found out that the frame was rusted out so he rewrote the lesson plan. He taught his son how to part out junk cars. |
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In article PcqdnbxO4tImoD_FnZ2dnUU7-
, lcb11211@swbelldotnet says... On 2/13/2017 10:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote: GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Not true with my exhaust system. The stainless steel exhaust has never once been cleaned and it is now 16+ years old, and in the rust belt. Surely GM could have used the same stuff in the brake lines, which is magnitudes more important than the exhaust system as far as safety goes. So you never go through a car wash? In the south a good many car washes do not hit the bottom of the vehicle, only the wheels/wheel wells and the body. In the south corrosion from road salt is not an issue. Driving on the beach on the other hand . .. . Town I grew up in (north Florida)had a couple of pulp mills. The pulp mills provided a drivethrough rinsedown as a courtesy to employees to clean the fly ash off their cars. The rinsedown hit the underside. Everybody who knew about it went over to the pulp mill and ran through the rinsedown after driving on the beach (it was a different world then--security was a lot less stringent). But the old exhaust systems rusted from within. Lot's of nasty crap coming from inside the exhaust including condensation that mixes to form some concoction. Remember the sulfur smell that was very common with GM vehicles equipped with catalytic converters in the 70's? These systems rusted out quickly and then the stainless steel exhaust systems began showing up and the problem has virtually gone away down here. The old steel exhaust systems looked fine on the outside but with just a little pressure with a pair of channel locks and you could easily crush and put a hole in the pipe. |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:44:57 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 2/13/2017 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote: So you never go through a car wash? And what pressure does your exhaust have to withstand? What pressure do your brake lines have to withstand? It doesn't matter what the brake lines are made of, a 16 year old vehicle should have them inspected and replaced as necessary. You're expecting magic materials to take the place of proper maintenance. I'd agree if the lines lasted that long. In 55 years of driving, I never replaced corroded brake lines until rather recently. I drove plenty of 10 to 15 year old crap cars but two newer cars (2001 and 2010) needed brake lines after six years. That said, the 2001 Buick was falling apart in six years and I ended up giving it away. Last GM car for me. 2002 Mitsubishi Galant. Brake lines rusted out, strut towers rusted out, body rusted out, water was leaking in from under the globe compartment. I sold it to my mechanic for the price of scrap so he could teach his son how to fix cars. 2 weeks later he found out that the frame was rusted out so he rewrote the lesson plan. He taught his son how to part out junk cars. Mitsu****is and Mazdas still rust like it's 1984. |
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On 2/13/2017 7:54 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article PcqdnbxO4tImoD_FnZ2dnUU7- , lcb11211@swbelldotnet says... On 2/13/2017 10:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote: GM recalled my truck for the tailgate straps that could (but didn't) rust. No problem with ABS brake failure, or brake lines rusting out, but sure wouldn't want tailgate to drop 6 inches. How is it I have stainless steel exhaust but break lines on every GM product I've owned have rusted out? Contrary to popular belief, stainless steel corrodes under the right circumstances. If you want it to last you have to keep it pretty clean. Not true with my exhaust system. The stainless steel exhaust has never once been cleaned and it is now 16+ years old, and in the rust belt. Surely GM could have used the same stuff in the brake lines, which is magnitudes more important than the exhaust system as far as safety goes. So you never go through a car wash? In the south a good many car washes do not hit the bottom of the vehicle, only the wheels/wheel wells and the body. In the south corrosion from road salt is not an issue. Driving on the beach on the other hand . . . Town I grew up in (north Florida)had a couple of pulp mills. The pulp mills provided a drivethrough rinsedown as a courtesy to employees to clean the fly ash off their cars. The rinsedown hit the underside. Everybody who knew about it went over to the pulp mill and ran through the rinsedown after driving on the beach (it was a different world then--security was a lot less stringent). When I lived 3 miles from the coast we had a very long island, Padre Island, that allowed vehicles on the beach. As you were leaving the island there was a 4 way spray wash to go throuhg. And rust was an issue. Houston, you don't see rust and I have never seen a spray wash any where, even on Galveston island. I actually don't think they drive on the beach and if so only a small area. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in
: It doesn't matter what the brake lines are made of, a 16 year old vehicle should have them inspected and replaced as necessary. You're expecting magic materials to take the place of proper maintenance. Nonsense. Metal brake lines are not a "maintenance" item, even on a 16-yo vehicle. In more than forty years of doing the vast majority of my own maintenance and repair, I've had to replace a corroded brake line exactly once: last March, on the Dodge truck which my wife and I bought new shortly after we got married -- in 1985. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 2/12/2017 12:45 PM, wrote: On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:54:04 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: I mentioned the recyclable trash bags that the City of Houlston requires for yard waste. they are patented and required by the city if you are going to throw away yard waste. While not a vehicle component it is an example of a product that has to be used with the city's approval code, if you are going to throw yard refuse away. I guess the refuse bags sort of, kind of meet what I was asking. Although I doubt plastic bags are patented. They are specifically marked for Houston use. But anyone could make a similar bag out of petroleum and put the same markings on the bag and sell it for refuse use in Houston. Well a reasonable person would assume that. Actually, I disagree. It's quite clear that a bag designed for yard-waste would need to be made from a substance that will quickly break down into environmentally benign byproducts. That precludes petroleum-based bags. IIRC the bags had a patent pending number, had a seal, Approved by the city of Houston. Yard waste, right? They compost it, so the bags must also be compostable. There were/are several other heavier/thicker mil recycleable refuse bags available and much less expensive. But if you used those bags a warning label was attached and the bag was not picked up. Of course, since they'd contaminate the compost. The really unfortunate thing about the city of Housotn bags was that they were so thin that the humidity/condensation would cause them to begin melting from sitting out for just one one night and totally forget it it rained. The bags are designed to be biodegradable. |
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On 2/13/2017 11:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... Not true with my exhaust system. The stainless steel exhaust has never once been cleaned and it is now 16+ years old, and in the rust belt. Surely GM could have used the same stuff in the brake lines, which is magnitudes more important than the exhaust system as far as safety goes. So you never go through a car wash? Never, at least not with this truck. And what pressure does your exhaust have to withstand? What pressure do your brake lines have to withstand? The break lines have no problem withstanding pressure, until they RUST! There is no excuse not to use break lines that don't rust. Exhaust system were/are notorious rusters when made of steel. They rust from the inside because of all the crap, including water expelled from the engine, and laying in the pipes. Break lines don't have to battle all that crap and could easily be made not to rust for the life of the car. Between the brake lines rusting and the ABS braking system failing repeatedly, GM should have been sued out of business. BTW, it only cost $700 to have all the brake lines replaced on that truck, and that was a few years ago, and at a garage, not a dealer. Would have been more at the dealer. My daughter and son both had Chevy Cavaliers in college and brake lines rusted out on both cars. I've been driving for 56 years and never replaced brake lines until this GM truck and the two Cavaliers my kids had. That's 3 for 3... good job there GM. Our screwed up government fines VW a $billion or more for fudging MPG on a few cars, but could care less that the brakes on GM products SUCK big time. My brother has a '95 Ford truck and brake lines are fine. GM is a no sale for me and my family. My wife has a VS Passat, my daughter a Ford and Son a VW Jetta I think it is. If I ever buy another truck, it will be a Ford, or a Toyota, leaning towards the Toyota although the aluminum Ford sounds rust free, something I would like a lot. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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