On 08/08/2012 17:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

Perhaps they have had their water supply disconnected...

I tend to agree that supermarket produce can vary in true quality in a
way that is not related to either price or claimed "quality" labelling.
Their fresh fish stalls are entertaining since sometimes some of the
fish is obviously well past its best if you know what to look for.

Other classics are the over packaged over priced Organic(TM) produce
that they stock to rip off the worried well and other hypochondriacs.

Regards,
Martin Brown

"Dave Plowman (News)" :
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

It's people letting advertisers tell them what they want.

--
Mike Barnes

"Tim W" wrote in message
...
On 06/08/2012 15:59, Mr Pounder wrote:
Here is the promised update.

The chicken cost a fiver, has fed 3 people and the ferking dog. Nobody
could
tell the difference between the Aldi chicken and the Marks & Sparks
chicken.
The dog was not questioned.

The chocolate ice lolly things are the same as Cadburys; or so Mrs
Pounder
has informed me.
The biscuits are indistinguishable from any other brand of biscuits.
The fruit juice is as good as any I have ever drank.
I was not too keen on the 4.5% lager. 4 cans for less than 3 quid. It was
too sweet for me.

More updates to follow as and when.



FWIW I am an ALDI fan, but I never buy cheap meats. The unfeasibly long
shelf life, the strange unnatural colours, the odd small selection of
identical cuts, and cheap meat has to mean compromised animal welfare.

The Aldi wine is excellent value - quaffable at £3.60, good at a fiver.
All the pasta, flour, juice, detergents, bog roll - excellent.

Tim w

The chicken was fine. I could not taste any difference between that and a
M&S chicken.
Animal welfare means little these days. I have seen many things happen to
animals. I'm not proud of being a meat eater.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

jkn wrote
Mike Barnes wrote

Do they actually make it form scratch though? I thought all they
do is finish off part baked bread, the sort you buy yourself out on
the shelves. It will stil be produced for them in an industrial scale.

Interesting that supermarket bakeries often have fresh yeast bricks
available for sale if you ask, but they're not out on the shelves.
They're presumably used in the bakery for something.

Maybe, but they still use variations of the dreaded 'Chorleywood'
process, which uses high concentrations of yeast, manual aeration,
and additives etc. to give fast throughput, long shelf life etc.

There is some evidence that consumption of bread
made with these 'modern' methods is a cause of
the rise in coeilac deseases, gluten intolerance, etc.

This compared with artisanal methods which use small amounts
of yeast, long fermentation times, no additives etc., which gives
a much nice 'proper' loaf apart from anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorleywood_bread_process

(I have just bought an expensive baking stone for my oven and am
enjoying learning more about making slow fermentation breads...)

I prefer to use a bread machine myself and refuse to bother with
any of the Chorleywood or other industrial breads if I have a choice.

Its actually less work to get a loaf with the bread
machine than to get it from the hot bread shop.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

You need to define better.
The tap water is almost certainly safer than the bottled water.
It may well taste different, nothing a cheap filter and an overnight stop in
the fridge couldn't fix.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...


"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots
of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

You need to define better.
The tap water is almost certainly safer than the bottled water.
It may well taste different, nothing a cheap filter and an overnight stop
in the fridge couldn't fix.

__________________________________________________ ________
Have you ever looked at the electric element in a kettle in a London
Travelodge?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT
for various branded low quality shampoos and conditioners
rather than use something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not
flush with cash buying lots of bottled water.

Yeah, bit easier to understand with cigarettes etc, at least those are
addictive.

Martin Brown wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use something
decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

Perhaps they have had their water supply disconnected...

There can't be that many of those.

I tend to agree that supermarket produce can vary in true quality in a way
that is not related to either price or claimed "quality" labelling. Their
fresh fish stalls are entertaining since sometimes some of the fish is
obviously well past its best if you know what to look for.

Other classics are the over packaged over priced Organic(TM) produce that
they stock to rip off the worried well and other hypochondriacs.

And all the vitamin ****, particularly with yanks.

"Mr Pounder" wrote in message
...

8

__________________________________________________ ________
Have you ever looked at the electric element in a kettle in a London
Travelodge?

people pay extra for mineral water, unless its from the tap.

Martin Brown :
I tend to agree that supermarket produce can vary in true quality in a
way that is not related to either price or claimed "quality" labelling.
Their fresh fish stalls are entertaining since sometimes some of the
fish is obviously well past its best if you know what to look for.

One thing to look for is the date on the back of the customer-facing
ticket. Just lean forward a bit, to inspect the goods of course!

--
Mike Barnes

On Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:58:50 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...


I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while. I have higher hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a start. I take over an hour to raise it to full temperature.

J^n

jkn wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:58:50 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...


I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while. I have higher
hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a start. I take over an hour
to raise it to full temperature.

No one in Italy uses such a thing. Does that tell you how essential they
are?

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:58:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...

Perhaps uneven heating in the oven. Is/was it a fan oven?

--
Frank Erskine

Steve Firth wrote
jkn wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...

I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while.
I have higher hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a
start. I take over an hour to raise it to full temperature.

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Does that tell you how essential they are?

Different situation to his.

On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:01:01 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at £1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.

Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a small
loaf.

I do buy them for a treat every now and again. Exorbitant prices, I
know, but the bread IS delicious. Yesterday, because I was having such
fun and games trying to install Turbo Delphi Explorer (one of
erstwhile Borland's free products) I bought a sourdough loaf. It was
£1.30 for a 400g loaf! A 'normal' 400g loaf costs around 80 pence. But
with some of that Black Forest ham I mentioned it is sheer mouth
heaven. I'm going to eat some more in a minute for brekkers.

Here, the trick is to go to Asda, because they also do these
specialist breads but don't charge an arm and a leg. Last time I was
there, they had some decent looking loaves for £1 each. Our local Lidl
has started selling fresh, baked on the premises rolls, loaves and
cake-type thingies (apple turnovers etc), so maybe they'll do some
special kinds, too. The rolls are even cheaper than Asda's. The apple
turnover is 39 pence.

MM

On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:14:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at £1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.

Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a small
loaf.

You can bake em for about 75p

What I bought yesterday was a sourdough loaf. I don't think that's
your run-of-the-mill loaf for simply knocking up at home. People talk
glibly about baking their own bread, but I've seen the results (and
the resultant mess) from some attempts and, well, you'd much rather
buy professionally made bread. Making some decent bread isn't like
knocking up a few fairy cakes!

MM

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:37:07 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

stuart noble wrote:
On 07/08/2012 16:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
Man at B&Q :
On Aug 7, 12:56 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Bread is one of the few things where a decent supermarket may
make some types there self - on the premises.

Do they actually make it form scratch though? I thought all they
do is finish off part baked bread, the sort you buy yourself out
on the shelves. It will stil be produced for them in an
industrial scale.

Interesting that supermarket bakeries often have fresh yeast bricks
available for sale if you ask, but they're not out on the shelves.
They're presumably used in the bakery for something.


Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at
£1.85. Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense
as the cheaper loaves.

That should give MM a heart attack.

Indeed. But as I've just said, occasionally I'll treat myself. Not to
a walnut one, though. My taste is for the olive bread, or the onion
variety (delicious with cheese), or the Mediterranean loaf that Tesco
does. Asda does a nice range of these expensive specialties, but is
cheaper than Tesco or Sainsbury's.

MM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:17:33 -0700 (PDT), jkn
wrote:

(I have just bought an expensive baking stone for my oven and am
enjoying learning more about making slow fermentation breads...)

Ah, do you mean, like, a pizza stone? I've had one for about a year
and for baking pizzas it's absolutely brilliant. You have to leave it
to heat up in the hot oven for quite a while, though, to get good
results. I put mine in the top oven, switch it on and leave it for 20
minutes, then put the pizza in for just a few minutes. However, I only
ever buy thin-based Italian pizzas, fresh if possible. Aldi's fresh
pizza is not bad.

MM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

jkn wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:58:50 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...


I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while. I have higher
hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a start. I take over an hour
to raise it to full temperature.

No one in Italy uses such a thing. Does that tell you how essential they
are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

MM

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:19:28 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:58:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...

Perhaps uneven heating in the oven. Is/was it a fan oven?

I've only ever put my pizza stone (a huge one) into a *cold* oven,
then heated it slowly as the oven heats up.

MM

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

MM

Rod Speed wrote:

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****. the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.
Most people have gas ovens, there are electric ovens as well but they
are the same type and even the same brands as those sold in the UK.
These have a 200C maximum temperature settings.

Pizza ovens are either wood fired - in which case they have to be
located outside like a barbecue and are only fitted in homes with
gardens or they are large gas or electric units and again tend to be
fitted outside requiring at the least a portico or balcony. They are
distinguished from the standard oven by being able to run at
temperatures up to 500C and they are either installed on professional
premises or are a luxury item. They are certainly *not* available to the
majority by reasons of size, energy consumption or price.

Does that tell you how essential they are?

Different situation to his.

rolls eyes Is there anything that you utter that isn't fatuous and
wrong?

MM wrote:

No one in Italy uses such a thing. Does that tell you how essential they
are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

Logic failure from you again. The Italians make decent pizza, they don't
use pizza stones to do so. This should tell anyone with more than a
single brain cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

MM wrote:

Aldi's fresh pizza is not bad.

Indeed, bad is sufficiently negative to describe them. They are not bad,
they are minging.

MM wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

MM wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
stuart noble wrote

Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at £1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.

Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a
small loaf.

You can bake em for about 75p

Lot less than that in fact.

What I bought yesterday was a sourdough loaf. I don't think
that's your run-of-the-mill loaf for simply knocking up at home.

It is actually if you use a bread machine.

People talk glibly about baking their own bread,

Plenty do it too.

but I've seen the results (and the resultant mess) from some attempts

Some can **** up anything cooking wise.

and, well, you'd much rather buy professionally made bread.

Not if you have even half a clue and use a bread machine.

What I make every 4 days leaves the professionally made bread for dead.

Making some decent bread isn't like knocking up a few fairy cakes!

Its actually even easier to do than that if you use a bread machine.

Just weigh out the 3 components, dry mix, water and yeast
and the machine does all the rest, perfect result every time.

MUCH better than the 'professionally made' **** and MUCH cheaper too.

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Most people have gas ovens, there are electric ovens as well but
they are the same type and even the same brands as those sold
in the UK. These have a 200C maximum temperature settings.

Pity about the dedicated pizza ovens.

Pizza ovens are either wood fired - in which case
they have to be located outside like a barbecue

And that is precisely what many of them do.

and are only fitted in homes with gardens

More drivel.

or they are large gas or electric units and again tend to be
fitted outside requiring at the least a portico or balcony.

So what ? Plenty of them do that anyway.

They are distinguished from the standard oven
by being able to run at temperatures up to 500C

Which is why so many of them do have dedicated pizza ovens.

and they are either installed on professional
premises or are a luxury item.

More drivel. They are easy to do yourself and hordes of them do that.

They are certainly *not* available to the majority

Never said anything about the majority, fool.

by reasons of size, energy consumption or price.

Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Does that tell you how essential they are?

Different situation to his.

reams of your puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
where it belongs

On 09/08/2012 07:57, Steve Firth wrote:
MM wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

There is nothing wrong with tapwater in this country. A shade too much
chlorine in it at the weekends when they double the dose that's all.

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.

Coke's expensive Dasani brandname famously *was* London tapwater except
that by adding the magic ingredients for "mineral water" they famously
produced a mixture with too much bromate not fit for human consumption.

London water analysts could not believe their luck. The whole product
launch for Dasani crashed and burned totally - never to return here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....lifeandhealth

Great markup if you can get it. Raw materials 0.03p resell at 95p.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT
for various branded low quality shampoos and conditioners
rather than use something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not
flush with cash buying lots of bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water.

More fool you.

Bought in bulk it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for
(the right sort of) water is far better than drinking London tap water.

That’s all you are getting, filtered tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

He's dead right there. Its just filtered tap water at that price, stupid.

Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.
Does that tell you how essential they are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

Logic failure from you again.

We'll see...

The Italians make decent pizza, they don't use pizza stones to do so.

Because they use dedicated pizza ovens, stupid.

This should tell anyone with more than a single brain
cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

Only for fools that are so stupid that they haven't even
noticed that italians use dedicated pizza ovens instead.

If you don’t have a dedicated pizza oven, a stone
can be rather better than just a normal oven, stupid.

Martin Brown wrote
Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots
of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in
bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort
of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

There is nothing wrong with tapwater in this country. A shade too much
chlorine in it at the weekends when they double the dose that's all.

Why do they double the dose on weekends ? They don't do that here.

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange filters
are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.

Coke's expensive Dasani brandname famously *was* London tapwater except
that by adding the magic ingredients for "mineral water" they famously
produced a mixture with too much bromate not fit for human consumption.

London water analysts could not believe their luck. The whole product
launch for Dasani crashed and burned totally - never to return here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....lifeandhealth

Great markup if you can get it. Raw materials 0.03p resell at 95p.

Sure, but most of the cost isn't the cost of the water.

On 08/08/2012 21:42, Mike Barnes wrote:
Martin Brown :
I tend to agree that supermarket produce can vary in true quality in a
way that is not related to either price or claimed "quality" labelling.
Their fresh fish stalls are entertaining since sometimes some of the
fish is obviously well past its best if you know what to look for.

One thing to look for is the date on the back of the customer-facing
ticket. Just lean forward a bit, to inspect the goods of course!


Those of us who grew up before best before / use by dates don't need to.
I was well trained in picking out the freshest produce when, as a boy,
I was sent out to do the shopping.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.

My kettles seem to last quite well without any filters. And weren't there
some reports that hard water is better for health?

--
Small asylum seeker wanted as mud flap, must be flexible and willing to travel

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 09/08/2012 09:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.

My kettles seem to last quite well without any filters. And weren't there
some reports that hard water is better for health?

Only if you never drink milk or eat cheese.

I have known people on private soft water supplies so lacking in
minerals and calcium that they were prevented from using it. Didn't stop
all previous generations growing up healthy.

Pure deionised water isn't that good for you. If you read the MSDS for
deionised water you would imagine it was as bad as hydrochloric acid!

You have to consume large amounts of deionised water and almost nothing
else before it will deplete calcium from your bones. Certain sweet
yoghurt vendors play on parents fears to sell it with added calcium.

Sadly rickets is making a comeback due to the chips & pizza generation.

Regards,
Martin Brown

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
stuart noble wrote

Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at
£1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.

Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a
small loaf.

You can bake em for about 75p

Lot less than that in fact.

What I bought yesterday was a sourdough loaf. I don't think
that's your run-of-the-mill loaf for simply knocking up at home.

It is actually if you use a bread machine.

People talk glibly about baking their own bread,

Plenty do it too.

but I've seen the results (and the resultant mess) from some attempts

Some can **** up anything cooking wise.

and, well, you'd much rather buy professionally made bread.

Not if you have even half a clue and use a bread machine.

What I make every 4 days leaves the professionally made bread for dead.

LMFAO, there's a surprise.
https://www.messnerinc.com/catalog/g...hit_Repellent/


Making some decent bread isn't like knocking up a few fairy cakes!

Its actually even easier to do than that if you use a bread machine.

Just weigh out the 3 components, dry mix, water and yeast
and the machine does all the rest, perfect result every time.

MUCH better than the 'professionally made' **** and MUCH cheaper too.

On 2012-08-09, Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Have you missed the posts indicating that Steve spends a lot of time
in Italy? I think he knows what goes on there.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Martin Brown wrote

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.

My kettles seem to last quite well without any filters.

And weren't there some reports that hard water is better for health?

Not any that have been substantiated with any rigorous science.

"Adam Funk" wrote in message ...

On 2012-08-09, Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Have you missed the posts indicating that Steve spends a lot of time
in Italy? I think he knows what goes on there.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've lived in Italy too, and, whilst my circle of associates was likely to
be smaller (and younger) than Steve's, I didn't actually know anyone who
made pizza at home. If you wanted a pizza you went to the pizzeria at the
end of the road (and, whichever road it was, they made so much better pizza
than pizzeria anywhere else in the world, IME). It was cheap enough to do 4
times a week if you wanted - how many times a week do you need pizza?

So to me, Steve's comment can just as easily be interpreted to mean
"Italians don't make pizza at home".

(BTW I've actually no idea what this "stone" is supposed to do, if that's
relevant)

tim

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:43:01 +0200, Martin wrote:

Lidl also sells Black Forest smoked ham.

More expensive than Aldi.

MM