"Martin Brown" wrote in message ...

On 09/08/2012 07:57, Steve Firth wrote:
MM wrote:

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
NT wrote:
It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT for various
branded low quality shampoos and conditioners rather than use
something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not flush with cash buying lots
of
bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water. Bought in
bulk
it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for (the right sort
of)
water is far better than drinking London tap water.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

There is nothing wrong with tapwater in this country. A shade too much
chlorine in it at the weekends when they double the dose that's all.

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.
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It's what you are used to. Having drunk almost nothing else for the first
20 years of my life I like it and dislike anything else.

The first time that I went to Manchester I couldn't believe what came out of
taps - I thought that the hotel had wrongly routed the water softener to the
drinking taps. Completely undrinkable (as it is in Birmingham)

tim

Adam Funk wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Have you missed the posts indicating that Steve spends a lot of time in
Italy?

Nope.

I think he knows what goes on there.

He doesn’t on something as basic as what they cook pizzas in there.

And he doesn’t have a ****ing clue about bottled water either.

I happen to live where the majority of the town and surrounding
area is dominated by Italian immigrants, and not only was my
next door neighbour, who chose the block of land next to mine,
for them to build their new house on, next to mine, because we
lived in adjacent flats in a block of flats, she immigrated here
from Italy as a child, and I know what her parents who can't
even speak english at all, cook their pizzas on. And other mate
of mine also has an italian wife, and her parents also can barely
speak english and I know what they cook pizzas on as well.

And I know a number of other italians who do speak english
quite well, and I know what they cook pizzas on as well.

In fact know a hell of a lot more about how
Italians do things than that fool ever does.

tim..... wrote
Adam Funk wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Have you missed the posts indicating that Steve spends a lot of time in
Italy? I think he knows what goes on there.

I've lived in Italy too, and, whilst my circle of associates was likely to
be smaller (and younger) than Steve's, I didn't actually know anyone who
made pizza at home. If you wanted a pizza you went to the pizzeria at the
end of the road (and, whichever road it was, they made so much better
pizza than pizzeria anywhere else in the world, IME). It was cheap enough
to do 4 times a week if you wanted - how many times a week do you need
pizza?

So to me, Steve's comment can just as easily be interpreted to mean
"Italians don't make pizza at home".

I used the word EVEN for a reason.

And if that's what he meant, he is just plain wrong.

(BTW I've actually no idea what this "stone" is supposed to do,

You basically put the pizza on it. It gets the bottom of the
pizza a lot crisper and dedicated pizza ovens have a heavy
base that the pizza goes on, for the same reason.

Its one way to get closer to the result you get with a dedicated
pizza oven in a convention oven where you don't put stuff on
the bottom of the oven.

if that's relevant)

On 09/08/2012 11:44, tim..... wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ...

On 09/08/2012 07:57, Steve Firth wrote:
MM wrote:

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

There is nothing wrong with tapwater in this country. A shade too much
chlorine in it at the weekends when they double the dose that's all.

London water is pretty hard and bad for kettles, but ion exchange
filters are commonplace now so there is not problem fixing it.
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It's what you are used to. Having drunk almost nothing else for the
first 20 years of my life I like it and dislike anything else.

The first time that I went to Manchester I couldn't believe what came
out of taps - I thought that the hotel had wrongly routed the water
softener to the drinking taps. Completely undrinkable (as it is in
Birmingham)

Manchester has some of the softest mains water in the country. I think
it tastes great (since I grew up with it). I do get caught out almost
every time I return there using too much soap to wash with though and
end up spending ages washing off the excess soap afterwards.

There is a lot of truth in preferring "what you are used to".

How else would you explain the success of rancid vomit flavoured brown
fat Hershey Bars masquerading as chocolate in America. I was told in all
seriousness by an American that local Japanese chocolate was rubbish and
to bring plenty of supplies beacuse "proper" chocolate was very
expensive. In fact the Japanese learnt chocolate making directly from
the Portugese merchants. Their chocolate is gourmet quality.

It amused me that you had to pay so much more for the specially imported
Hershey Bar rubbish than for top quality chocolate.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:59:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Not if you have even half a clue and use a bread machine.

Bread machine? You ****ing useless heathen.
Real men can knock out bread in an ordinary oven, and even use an oven
made from scratch in the countryside.

On Aug 9, 7:59*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
MM wrote

The Natural Philosopher wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
stuart noble wrote
Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at 1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.
Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a
small loaf.
You can bake em for about 75p

Lot less than that in fact.

What I bought yesterday was a sourdough loaf. I don't think
that's your run-of-the-mill loaf for simply knocking up at home.

It is actually if you use a bread machine.

People talk glibly about baking their own bread,

Plenty do it too.

but I've seen the results (and the resultant mess) from some attempts

Some can **** up anything cooking wise.

and, well, you'd much rather buy professionally made bread.

Not if you have even half a clue and use a bread machine.

What I make every 4 days leaves the professionally made bread for dead.

Making some decent bread isn't like knocking up a few fairy cakes!

Its actually even easier to do than that if you use a bread machine.

Just weigh out the 3 components, dry mix, water and yeast

Some of us prefer to use ingredients that we know the provenance of,
rather than "dry mix" crap.

MBQ

MM wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:14:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
Our Co Op has gone all posh with an instore baked walnut loaf at £1.85.
Have to say it was rather tasty and more than twice as dense as the
cheaper loaves.
Yes - most supermarkets do those now. At a price - about 1.60 for a small
loaf.

You can bake em for about 75p

What I bought yesterday was a sourdough loaf. I don't think that's
your run-of-the-mill loaf for simply knocking up at home.

How many do you want. My wife knocks up half a dozen a week.

Piece of ****.
Crust is sligthly below par despite various forays into steam baking and
containered baking but otherwise its excellent.


People talk
glibly about baking their own bread, but I've seen the results (and
the resultant mess) from some attempts and, well, you'd much rather
buy professionally made bread. Making some decent bread isn't like
knocking up a few fairy cakes!


No, its easier.

MM


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MM wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

jkn wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:58:50 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...


I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while. I have higher
hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a start. I take over an hour
to raise it to full temperature.
No one in Italy uses such a thing. Does that tell you how essential they
are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

They cant. Its an American invention AFAICR.

MM


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

MM wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:19:28 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:58:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...
Perhaps uneven heating in the oven. Is/was it a fan oven?

I've only ever put my pizza stone (a huge one) into a *cold* oven,
then heated it slowly as the oven heats up.

MM
well thats not possible with an aga.


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Martin Brown wrote:


Sadly rickets is making a comeback due to the chips & pizza generation.


No, more due to the XBOX and daddy take me in the car generation, as
they then don't get enough vitamin D.

Todays kids are a pasty faced indoor reared lot, and if they happen to
be black as well they simply will never get enough vitamin D.



Regards,
Martin Brown


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Adam Funk wrote:
On 2012-08-09, Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote
No one in Italy uses such a thing.
They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.
Bull****.
Fact.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.
Bull****.

Have you missed the posts indicating that Steve spends a lot of time
in Italy? I think he knows what goes on there.

He spends lot of time in the UK but has never displayed any knowledge of
what goes on here either.


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Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Most people have gas ovens, there are electric ovens as well but
they are the same type and even the same brands as those sold
in the UK. These have a 200C maximum temperature settings.

Pity about the dedicated pizza ovens.

You don't really need one.
Both my electric ovens go to 250C and that is enough to cook a pizza.

I have never seen one in the UK that didn't go to at least 220C.

"Martin" wrote in message
...

Emulate the heat at the bottom of a pizza oven. It works for us.

I knew I must be doing it wrong.. using a cheap oven with top and bottom
elements.

"Rod Speed" wrote:
Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.
Does that tell you how essential they are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

Logic failure from you again.

We'll see...

The Italians make decent pizza, they don't use pizza stones to do so.

Because they use dedicated pizza ovens, stupid.

They don't invariably use "dedicated pizza ovens". Most families don't have
one.

This should tell anyone with more than a single brain
cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

Only for fools that are so stupid that they haven't even
noticed that italians use dedicated pizza ovens instead.

yawn

Dimmi, piccolo cazzi, hai mai vissuto in Italia?

If you dont have a dedicated pizza oven, a stone
can be rather better than just a normal oven,

Bull****. It's a fad for people who know ****-all about cooking (as witness
MM buying a pre-prepared manky pizza fromaGerman supermarket, whacking it
on a hot stone and imagining that he's cooking. My neighbour who cooks the
best pizza around these parts will **** herself laughing when I tell her
about your bull****.


stupid.

Your new sig suits you Wodney.

"Rod Speed" wrote:
Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT
for various branded low quality shampoos and conditioners
rather than use something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not
flush with cash buying lots of bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water.

More fool you.

Have you ever consumed London water Wodney?

Bought in bulk it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for
(the right sort of) water is far better than drinking London tap water.

Thats all you are getting, filtered tap water.

No, you're wrong. You don't even know what brand I buy so you are clearly
blowing it out of your arse, again.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

He's dead right there. Its just filtered tap water at that price, stupid.

He and you are both wrong.

Here's a clue that you both lack. Buy shrink wraps of 20 litres to get a
better price.

"Rod Speed" wrote:
Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.

They do however have dedicated pizza ovens even in their homes.

Bull****.

Fact.

Bull****.

the number of homes with "dedicated pizza ovens" is very few.

Bull****.

Your place of residence ConvictLand. My place of residence Italy.

Your Bull**** content - off the scale.

[snip Wodneys wanking]

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...


"Mr Pounder" wrote in message
...

8

__________________________________________________ ________
Have you ever looked at the electric element in a kettle in a London
Travelodge?

people pay extra for mineral water, unless its from the tap.


Have you ever looked at the electric element in a kettle in a London
Travelodge?

"tim....." wrote:
[snip]

I've lived in Italy too, and, whilst my circle of associates was likely
to be smaller (and younger) than Steve's, I didn't actually know anyone
who made pizza at home. If you wanted a pizza you went to the pizzeria
at the end of the road (and, whichever road it was, they made so much
better pizza than pizzeria anywhere else in the world, IME). It was
cheap enough to do 4 times a week if you wanted - how many times a week do you need pizza?

Pretty fair summary, yes my friends are older (60s upwards for the most
part) they are also rural hence can't just pop around to a local shop. Even
so very few own a pizza oven.

So to me, Steve's comment can just as easily be interpreted to mean
"Italians don't make pizza at home".

In part and also that a pizza oven is a luxury item. Traditionally city
families would take their food Tia baker an use their oven for a fee. But
pizza is takeaway food and is bought as much as made. The ovens aren't
"dedicated pizza ovens" they are bread ovens. We have three, two in a state
of disrepair but our home is a large farmers house so it's the hub of a
hamlet and all the farm workers would bring their food up to the big house
to be cooked.

Rod doesn't seem to have a clue about how much wood is needed to fire an
oven, or how much time it takes. He also doesn't seem to know that most
homes in Italy have a 3kW supply. They can't run a pizza oven of the sort
sold at garden centres and ironmongers because to run the 3kw element they
would have to turn everything else off.

(BTW I've actually no idea what this "stone" is supposed to do, if that's relevant)

It's a bit of flim-flam. It is just an oven tray that needs more
pre-heating than a metal one.

On Thursday, 9 August 2012 07:57:11 UTC+1, Steve Firth wrote:


Logic failure from you again. The Italians make decent pizza, they don't

use pizza stones to do so. This should tell anyone with more than a

single brain cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

Since I was actually talking about using a 'pizza stone' for the making of bread, your reply and subsequent rants come across to me like more examples of you trying to pick arguments and indulge in one-upmanship for the sake of it... business as usual, in fact ;-)

J^n

On 09/08/12 17:32, Steve Firth wrote:


In part and also that a pizza oven is a luxury item. Traditionally city
families would take their food Tia baker an use their oven for a fee. But
pizza is takeaway food and is bought as much as made. The ovens aren't
"dedicated pizza ovens" they are bread ovens. We have three, two in a state
of disrepair but our home is a large farmers house so it's the hub of a
hamlet and all the farm workers would bring their food up to the big house
to be cooked.

Italian Communal oven in use for pizza
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djc_ucl/7747786734/


Rod doesn't seem to have a clue about how much wood is needed to fire an
oven, or how much time it takes. He also doesn't seem to know that most
homes in Italy have a 3kW supply. They can't run a pizza oven of the sort
sold at garden centres and ironmongers because to run the 3kw element they
would have to turn everything else off.



--
djc

jkn wrote:
On Thursday, 9 August 2012 07:57:11 UTC+1, Steve Firth wrote:


Logic failure from you again. The Italians make decent pizza, they don't

use pizza stones to do so. This should tell anyone with more than a

single brain cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

Since I was actually talking about using a 'pizza stone' for the making of bread,

And?

your reply and subsequent rants come across to me like more examples of
you trying to pick arguments and indulge in one-upmanship for the sake of
it... business as usual, in fact ;-)

What I like to see is argumentative morons trying to build a case based on
specious statements. Well done you just provided a classic example.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:58:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:19:28 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:58:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an oven...
Perhaps uneven heating in the oven. Is/was it a fan oven?

I've only ever put my pizza stone (a huge one) into a *cold* oven,
then heated it slowly as the oven heats up.

MM
well thats not possible with an aga.

'Course it is! Leave it to go out, then relight it.

MM

Martin wrote
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote
Rod wrote

Not if you have even half a clue and use a bread machine.

Bread machine? You ****ing useless heathen.

Real men can knock out bread in an ordinary oven, and
even use an oven made from scratch in the countryside.

but you don't have to get up at 5am to have fresh
bread for breakfast if you use a bread machine.

And its nothing like the work either.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

jkn wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2012 12:58:50 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
SWMBOS nice baking stone cracked the first time it was put in an
oven...


I had a thin pizza baking stone that cracked after a while. I have
higher
hopes for this one ... it's 40mm thick for a start. I take over an hour
to raise it to full temperature.
No one in Italy uses such a thing. Does that tell you how essential they
are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

They cant. Its an American invention AFAICR.

Just goes to show what altzhiemers can do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza#History

dennis@home wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth drivelled, as always

Most people have gas ovens, there are electric ovens as well but
they are the same type and even the same brands as those sold
in the UK. These have a 200C maximum temperature settings.

Pity about the dedicated pizza ovens.

You don't really need one.

Sure. I don’t bother with one myself, but I'm not surprised that many
italians do.

Both my electric ovens go to 250C and that is enough to cook a pizza.

Yeah, mine too, particularly when you just turn
the thermostat flat out so it never turns off.

All you have to do is set a timer that reminds you
when to put the pizza in the stinking hot oven.

I have never seen one in the UK that didn't go to at least 220C.

Yeah, he's never had a ****ing clue about anything at all,
even stuff as basic as bottled water and the alternatives
if you don’t like drinking it straight from the tap.

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote

No one in Italy uses such a thing.
Does that tell you how essential they are?

Huh, next you'll be telling us the Italians can't make decent pizza...

Logic failure from you again.

We'll see...

The Italians make decent pizza, they don't use pizza stones to do so.

Because they use dedicated pizza ovens, stupid.

They don't invariably use "dedicated pizza ovens".

They do however mostly do their pizzas in dedicated pizza ovens,
even if that oven doesnt happen to be in their home, ****wit.

Most families don't have one.

Irrelevant to oven the pizza they eat is done in.

This should tell anyone with more than a single brain
cell (ie not you) that they are pointless expenditure.

Only for fools that are so stupid that they haven't even
noticed that italians use dedicated pizza ovens instead.

yawn

Dimmi, piccolo cazzi, hai mai vissuto in Italia?

You're fooling no one, ****wit.

If you dont have a dedicated pizza oven, a stone
can be rather better than just a normal oven,

Bull****.

Fact.

It's a fad for people who know ****-all about cooking

How odd that so many of those pizza stones actually come from italy,
****wit.

(as witness MM buying a pre-prepared manky pizza fromaGerman
supermarket, whacking it on a hot stone and imagining that he's cooking.

Corse he's cooking it, ****wit.

reams of your puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
where it belongs, as always

Steve Firth wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Steve Firth wrote
MM wrote
Steve Firth wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
NT wrote

It always puzzles me that so many people pay totally OTT
for various branded low quality shampoos and conditioners
rather than use something decent for a fraction the price.

What I find strange is those obviously not
flush with cash buying lots of bottled water.

When I have to live in London I buy lots of bottled water.

More fool you.

Have you ever consumed London water Wodney?

Yep, and even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that countless millions do that every single day.

And bottled water aint the only alternative if you
don't like the water straight from the tap anyway.

Bought in bulk it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for
(the right sort of) water is far better than drinking London tap
water.

Thats all you are getting, filtered tap water.

No, you're wrong.

Nope.

You don't even know what brand I buy

Dont need to at that price, ****wit.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

He's dead right there. Its just filtered tap water at that price, stupid.

He and you are both wrong.

Nope.

Here's a clue that you both lack. Buy shrink wraps
of 20 litres to get a better price.

Its still just filtered tap water, ****wit.

"Rod Speed" wrote:
Steve Firth wrote

Have you ever consumed London water Wodney?

Yep, and even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that countless millions do that every single day.

Who said that they don't?

And bottled water aint the only alternative if you
don't like the water straight from the tap anyway.

Who said it was?

Bought in bulk it can be as low as 19p for two litres and paying for
(the right sort of) water is far better than drinking London tap water.

Thats all you are getting, filtered tap water.

No, you're wrong.

Nope.

Yes your wrong. Completely, totally, demonstrably wrong. You don't know
what water I buy, where it was bottled or what the original source of that
water is. You don't even know the price of bottled water in the UK. You're
an idiot gob****e from the opposite hemisphere.

Here's your chance Wod. Tell me the brand of bottled water that I buy since
you're so confident that you know what it is.

You don't even know what brand I buy

Dont need to at that price, ****wit.

Yes you do. Otherwise you are just flapping your lips.

It probably IS tap water at that price.

Ah, Miserable Mother****er is an expert on everything, again.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

He's dead right there. Its just filtered tap water at that price, stupid.

He and you are both wrong.

Nope.

Your funny, you know that Wod? You don't even know what I buy but your
claiming that you know from across the other side of the world. You really
do have **** for brains.

Here's a clue that you both lack. Buy shrink wraps
of 20 litres to get a better price.

Its still just filtered tap water, ****wit.

No it's not Wodney. No matter how many times you tell your lie it won't
become true.

Steve Firth wrote
tim..... wrote

I've lived in Italy too, and, whilst my circle of associates was likely
to be smaller (and younger) than Steve's, I didn't actually know anyone
who made pizza at home. If you wanted a pizza you went to the pizzeria
at the end of the road (and, whichever road it was, they made so much
better pizza than pizzeria anywhere else in the world, IME). It was
cheap enough to do 4 times a week if you wanted - how many
times a week do you need pizza?

Pretty fair summary, yes my friends are older (60s upwards for
the most part) they are also rural hence can't just pop around
to a local shop. Even so very few own a pizza oven.

Never said that most of those did. I JUST said that the reason
that pizza stones aren't used much in italy is because pizzas
are normally done in dedicated pizza ovens, not necessarily
in the home of the individual eating the pizza.

So to me, Steve's comment can just as easily be interpreted
to mean "Italians don't make pizza at home".

In part and also that a pizza oven is a luxury item.

Not when its home made it ain't. Its not rocket science.

Traditionally city families would take their
food Tia baker an use their oven for a fee.

And thats why they dont normally use pizza stones, stupid.

But pizza is takeaway food and is bought as much as made.

And when its bought, its normally done in a dedicated pizza oven, stupid.

The ovens aren't "dedicated pizza ovens" they are bread ovens.

Utterly mangled all over again.

We have three, two in a state of disrepair but our home is a large farmers
house

So it does in fact have 3 that were designed for that purpose,
whatever you choose to call them, and thats why they dont
use pizza stones much.

so it's the hub of a hamlet and all the farm workers would
bring their food up to the big house to be cooked.

Still a dedicated oven, stupid.

Rod doesn't seem to have a clue about how much wood
is needed to fire an oven, or how much time it takes.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

I've done it, ****wit.

He also doesn't seem to know that most homes in Italy have a 3kW supply.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

They can't run a pizza oven of the sort sold at garden centres and
ironmongers

Never said they could, ****wit.

because to run the 3kw element they would have to turn everything else
off.

(BTW I've actually no idea what this "stone" is supposed to do, if that's
relevant)

It's a bit of flim-flam.

Like hell it is.

It is just an oven tray that needs more pre-heating than a metal one.

Have fun explaining why dedicated pizza ovens in italy dont just use a
metal tray.

You never ever did have a ****ing clue about anything at all, even bottled
water.

"Rod Speed" wrote:
[snip Rod****e(tm)]


Have fun explaining why dedicated pizza ovens in italy dont just use a metal tray.

They do use metal trays Rodney. The pizzas are served at the table on the
metal trays.

Most people in Italy do not own or even use a "dedicated pizza oven". You
have never been to Italy.

You never ever did have a ****ing clue about anything at all, even bottled water.

Talking to yourself again Wodney.

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Steve Firth wrote just the puerile **** that it
always ends up with when its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS
is.
O ****, another fail, Wodney.
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Steve Firth wrote just the puerile **** that it
always ends up with when its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS
is.
**** a duck and a chicken, thats 3 fails in one evening, Wodney.
https://www.messnerinc.com/catalog/g...hit_Repellent/

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Steve Firth wrote just the puerile **** that it
always ends up with when its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS
is.
Good grief, this is getting monotonous, Wodney.
https://www.messnerinc.com/catalog/g...hit_Repellent/

Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

Oh look, Wodney suddenly realised he was getting his arse kicked ...
AGAIN!

Rod Speed wrote:

Pity about the dedicated pizza ovens.

You don't really need one.

Sure. I don't bother with one myself, but I'm not surprised that many
italians do.

They don't.

Both my electric ovens go to 250C and that is enough to cook a pizza.

Yeah, mine too, particularly when you just turn
the thermostat flat out so it never turns off.

All you have to do is set a timer that reminds you
when to put the pizza in the stinking hot oven.

In your case, set a timer to tell you when to take your head out of your
arse.

I have never seen one in the UK that didn't go to at least 220C.

Yeah, he's never had a ****ing clue about anything at all,
even stuff as basic as bottled water and the alternatives
if you don't like drinking it straight from the tap.

What brand of water do I buy Rodney?

Rod Speed wrote:

Dimmi, piccolo cazzi, hai mai vissuto in Italia?

You're fooling no one, ****wit.


I'm not trying to fool anyone, piccolo cazzo. Go ask one of the many
Italians^W Australians that you claim to know for help.

Rod Speed wrote:

Steve Firth wrote just
the puerile **** that it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it ALWAYS is.

You don't even know what water I buy but you're claiming that you know
from across the other side of the world. You really do have **** for
brains.