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Ahh you would pay LOTS more for all the things those illegals do.
Like food.... Its not a free lunch. Frankly I think we would be better off to open the borders completely, invite them in to work for companies competing with stuff from say China/ At least that way the work is in the US. If you were somehow able to force every illegal out our economy would clollapse. China is well on to taking over us market. Having a bIG pool of immigrants willing to work cheap would help us compete. all immigrants to stay here should pay taxes and be required tom learn english, the official us language.. of course i think we should elminate the income tax altogether and go the fair tax route, a national sales tax but thats a seperate issue. if immigrant breakls the law, its instant deportation with a 5 year wait to return. a second offense they are deported permanetely. Think out of the box, the box isnt our friend.. |
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May 01, 2006, 7:08 a.m.
A Day Without an Illegal Immigrant An imaginary exercise. By Tom Tancredo What would a day without illegal aliens really be like? Let’s try to imagine it. On May 1, millions of illegal aliens working in meat-processing plants, construction, restaurants, hotels, and other “jobs Americans won’t do” are supposed to stay home from work to show the importance of their labor to our nation’s economy. Doubtless, there will be some inconvenience if that happens, but there is another side to the story that is not being reported. We are talking about illegal aliens, not mere “immigrants.” If LEGAL IMMIGRANTS stopped working for a day, we would miss the services of physicians, nurses, computer programmers, writers, actors, musicians, entrepreneurs of all stripes, and some airline pilots…as well as the CEO of Google. That would be more than an inconvenience, but it won’t happen because legal immigrants are not out marching angrily for rights that are already protected by our courts. But if ILLEGAL ALIENS all took the day off and were truly invisible for one day, there would be some plusses along with the mild inconveniences. Hospital emergency rooms across the southwest would have about 20-percent fewer patients, and there would be 183,000 fewer people in Colorado without health insurance. OBGYN wards in Denver would have 24-percent fewer deliveries and Los Angeles’s maternity-ward deliveries would drop by 40 percent and maternity billings to Medi-Cal would drop by 66 percent. Youth gangs would see their membership drop by 50 percent in many states, and in Phoenix, child-molestation cases would drop by 34 percent and auto theft by 40 percent. In Durango, Colorado, and the Four Corners area and the surrounding Indian reservations, the methamphetamine epidemic would slow for one day, as the 90 percent of that drug now being brought in from Mexico was held in Albuquerque and Farmington a few hours longer. According to the sheriff of La Plata County, Colorado, meth is now being brought in by ordinary illegal aliens as well as professional drug dealers. If the “Day-Without-an-Immigrant Boycott” had been held a year earlier on May 8, 2005, and illegal alien Raul Garcia-Gomez had stayed home and did not work or go to a party that day, Denver police officer Donnie Young would still be alive and Garcia-Gomez would not be sitting in a Denver jail awaiting trial. If the boycott had been held on July 1, 2004, Justin Goodman of Thornton, Colorado, would still be riding his motorcycle and Roberto Martinez-Ruiz would not be in prison for killing him and then fleeing the scene while driving on a suspended license. If illegal aliens stayed home—in Mexico, Guatemala, Brazil, and 100 other countries—the Border Patrol would have 3,500 fewer apprehensions (of the 12,000 who try each day). Colorado taxpayers would save almost $3,000,000 in one day if illegals do not access any public services, because illegal aliens cost the state over $1 billion annually according to the best estimates. Colorado’s K-12 school classrooms would have 131,000 fewer students if illegal aliens and the children of illegals were to stay home, and Denver high schools’ dropout rate would once again approach the national norm. Colorado’s jails and prisons would have 10-percent fewer inmates, and Denver and many other towns would not need to build so many new jails to accommodate the overcrowding. Our highway patrol and county sheriffs would have about far fewer DUI arrests and there would be a dramatic decline in rollovers of vanloads of illegal aliens on I-70 and other highways. On a Day Without an Illegal Immigrant, thousands of workers and small contractors in the construction industry across Colorado would have their jobs back, the jobs given to illegal workers because they work for lower wages and no benefits. (On the other hand, if labor unions continue signing up illegal workers, no one will be worrying about Joe Six-Pack’s loss. Sorry, Joe, but you forgot to tell your union business agent that your job is as important as his is.) If it fell on a Sunday, Catholic Churches in the southwestern states might have 20-percent fewer parishioners at Mass if all illegals stayed home, but they would be back next Sunday, so the bishop’s job is not in danger. The religious leaders who send people to the marches and rallies will never fear for their jobs, because illegal aliens need their special “human-rights” advocacy and some priests and nuns seem especially devoted to that cause. The fact that most Catholics disagree with the bishops’ radicalism doesn’t seem to affect their dedication to undermining the rule of law. All of this might be a passing colorful episode in the heated national debate over immigration policy if it weren’t for an odd coincidence: The immigration-enforcement agency responsible for locating and deporting illegal aliens is also taking the day off today. Of course, they didn’t call it a boycott. It is just (non)business as usual. —Tom Tancredo is a Republican congressman from Colorado. |
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"KC" wrote in message ... May 01, 2006, 7:08 a.m. A Day Without an Illegal Immigrant An imaginary exercise. By Tom Tancredo What would a day without illegal aliens really be like? Let's try to imagine it. On May 1, millions of illegal aliens working in meat-processing plants, construction, restaurants, hotels, and other "jobs Americans won't do" are supposed to stay home from work to show the importance of their labor to our nation's economy. Doubtless, there will be some inconvenience if that happens, but there is another side to the story that is not being reported. We are talking about illegal aliens, not mere "immigrants." If LEGAL IMMIGRANTS stopped working for a day, we would miss the services of physicians, nurses, computer programmers, writers, actors, musicians, entrepreneurs of all stripes, and some airline pilots.as well as the CEO of Google. That would be more than an inconvenience, but it won't happen because legal immigrants are not out marching angrily for rights that are already protected by our courts. But if ILLEGAL ALIENS all took the day off and were truly invisible for one day, there would be some plusses along with the mild inconveniences. Hospital emergency rooms across the southwest would have about 20-percent fewer patients, and there would be 183,000 fewer people in Colorado without health insurance. OBGYN wards in Denver would have 24-percent fewer deliveries and Los Angeles's maternity-ward deliveries would drop by 40 percent and maternity billings to Medi-Cal would drop by 66 percent. Youth gangs would see their membership drop by 50 percent in many states, and in Phoenix, child-molestation cases would drop by 34 percent and auto theft by 40 percent. In Durango, Colorado, and the Four Corners area and the surrounding Indian reservations, the methamphetamine epidemic would slow for one day, as the 90 percent of that drug now being brought in from Mexico was held in Albuquerque and Farmington a few hours longer. According to the sheriff of La Plata County, Colorado, meth is now being brought in by ordinary illegal aliens as well as professional drug dealers. If the "Day-Without-an-Immigrant Boycott" had been held a year earlier on May 8, 2005, and illegal alien Raul Garcia-Gomez had stayed home and did not work or go to a party that day, Denver police officer Donnie Young would still be alive and Garcia-Gomez would not be sitting in a Denver jail awaiting trial. If the boycott had been held on July 1, 2004, Justin Goodman of Thornton, Colorado, would still be riding his motorcycle and Roberto Martinez-Ruiz would not be in prison for killing him and then fleeing the scene while driving on a suspended license. If illegal aliens stayed home-in Mexico, Guatemala, Brazil, and 100 other countries-the Border Patrol would have 3,500 fewer apprehensions (of the 12,000 who try each day). Colorado taxpayers would save almost $3,000,000 in one day if illegals do not access any public services, because illegal aliens cost the state over $1 billion annually according to the best estimates. Colorado's K-12 school classrooms would have 131,000 fewer students if illegal aliens and the children of illegals were to stay home, and Denver high schools' dropout rate would once again approach the national norm. Colorado's jails and prisons would have 10-percent fewer inmates, and Denver and many other towns would not need to build so many new jails to accommodate the overcrowding. Our highway patrol and county sheriffs would have about far fewer DUI arrests and there would be a dramatic decline in rollovers of vanloads of illegal aliens on I-70 and other highways. On a Day Without an Illegal Immigrant, thousands of workers and small contractors in the construction industry across Colorado would have their jobs back, the jobs given to illegal workers because they work for lower wages and no benefits. (On the other hand, if labor unions continue signing up illegal workers, no one will be worrying about Joe Six-Pack's loss. Sorry, Joe, but you forgot to tell your union business agent that your job is as important as his is.) If it fell on a Sunday, Catholic Churches in the southwestern states might have 20-percent fewer parishioners at Mass if all illegals stayed home, but they would be back next Sunday, so the bishop's job is not in danger. The religious leaders who send people to the marches and rallies will never fear for their jobs, because illegal aliens need their special "human-rights" advocacy and some priests and nuns seem especially devoted to that cause. The fact that most Catholics disagree with the bishops' radicalism doesn't seem to affect their dedication to undermining the rule of law. All of this might be a passing colorful episode in the heated national debate over immigration policy if it weren't for an odd coincidence: The immigration-enforcement agency responsible for locating and deporting illegal aliens is also taking the day off today. Of course, they didn't call it a boycott. It is just (non)business as usual. -Tom Tancredo is a Republican congressman from Colorado. OUTSTANDING POST! Thanks for posting it. |
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KC wrote:
... I wonder.. Considering all but the Native Americans are illegal immigrants or decedents of them I suspect it would be rather quiet. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Simply allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens
would be a slap in the face of every single LEGAL Immigrant to this country that went through the process of citizenship. I for one would be ****ed. Did anyone catch one of the activists saying that they want to fight for better healthcare, benefits and more money??? I guess if they want that then having illegal workers off the books pointless eh? Maybe we have lost our ways... Everyone wants to make a fortune for doing next to nothing. I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. I would also increase the limitations for welfare. I was in the middle of an arguement between to people in class once. The class was american history and we were talking about the 50's. The topic of welfare came up and one girl said.. I dont understand why people need to be on welfare, they just need to go out and get a job. Another girl in the class ON welfare said to her, why should I go get a job in McDonalds for $6.00 an hour when welfare pays me $8.50 an hour for doing nothing. She made a valid point. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? The issue really seems to be the limit on the number or and time allowed for non-citizens to remain in the US. Many I am sure, do not wish to become citizens. Many do. One of the problems is so much mis-information. Amnesty? Send them all home? Work permits? Free ride? Jail? |
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Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Simply allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens would be a slap in the face of every single LEGAL Immigrant to this country that went through the process of citizenship. I for one would be ****ed. My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? Every one of them by the fact that they are trying to circumvent the existing process. There IS an avenue for them to have come here legally, you know. This whole issue seems to center around two issues: 1. I got mine and I don't want anyone else to get theirs. 2. Fear and hate of all "Them" If they are not "Us" they are bad evil No, the issue is #3 3. We have a process to come to the United States legally, so that you are who you say you are, aren't a convicted criminal or gang banger or child molestor or terrorist, and if you don't like the process we have, then that's YOUR problem. Millions of other legal immigrants didn't have a problem obeying our laws, and you shouldn't either. Not only that, don't be shocked when there are some angry people in the United States, people whose tax dollar go to provide you with free stuff, even though you've invaded this country illegally. America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants and rational people welcome legal immigrants with open arms. But when you come here illegally, then have the nerve to DEMAND the government disregard the fact that you broke the law, expect a backlash. |
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"Larry Bud" wrote in message
ups.com... Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Simply allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens would be a slap in the face of every single LEGAL Immigrant to this country that went through the process of citizenship. I for one would be ****ed. My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? Every one of them by the fact that they are trying to circumvent the existing process. There IS an avenue for them to have come here legally, you know. The funny thing is that they come here to work, which is more than can be said about some of our legal citizens. You know: People who get a hangnail and they're on disability for 3 years. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Sure, a bit of sweating won't hurt them. I remember watching kids get hay in - tossing around 100# bales all day. That doesn't mean they have to continue doing it...they could learn more, get better jobs, etc. Bet those haying soon learned they better stay in school... -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:QLK5g.13$Th.3@trnddc03... Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Sure, a bit of sweating won't hurt them. I remember watching kids get hay in - tossing around 100# bales all day. That doesn't mean they have to continue doing it...they could learn more, get better jobs, etc. Bet those haying soon learned they better stay in school... dadiOH A very smart past president suggested that ALL teens should spend some time working the menial jobs, like cleaning hotel rooms, public bathrooms, etc., and be rewarded with a little scholarship money in return. Good idea, but the idea never grew wings. |
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Maybe not so, for all.
We are a nation under law, and that should apply to all, starting from the entry. We have never offered guaranteed entry to anyone seeking better economic conditions. Nothing has been mentioned yet about the "carrying capacity" of our landmass- our ability to share quality air, water, and food after all the housing has been built. This is really a HUGE issue to some who think. If the big goal is to provide cheap lettuce-pickers and burger-flippers, then we really should get over it, and get real. "Their" kids- noabody's kids- want to be confined to that. Note that many European nations do not even allow foreigners to own real-estate. Because we've been chumps does not lock us into that. J |
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When an illegal alien finally comes across the border from Mexico and
winds up committing a terrorist attack on the US, then maybe the politicians will finally do something to secure our borders. Right now, they are totally out of control and no one should be surprised one bit if the next Al Qaeda attack is via this route. It's not just Mexicans coming across the border. It's estimated there are some 40,000 illegals a year crossing the Mexican border from countries totally outside the region, like fromn Europe. Bush had the opportunity to fix this in the months immediately following 911. Now everyone is back in la la land. We are rapidly losing control of this country. The fact that illegal aliens have the balls to protest in the streets shows how far we've already fallen. |
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oups.com: Ahh you would pay LOTS more for all the things those illegals do. But than US citizens would have more money to spend here in the US. Much of what illegals from Mexico earn gets shipped back to MEXICO to support their families and never gets spent HERE. Then there's the savings from lower crimes,and less-crowded emergency rooms and the costs of giving them free medical treatment,among many other services that the US has to supply illegals. LOTS of savings there.Just ask the Colorado Governor(you can read what he has to say on National Review online.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in
: KC wrote: .. I wonder.. Considering all but the Native Americans are illegal immigrants or decedents of them I suspect it would be rather quiet. "native" Americans -migrated- from Asia via the Bering land bridge long ago. Mexicans are of mostly SPANISH descent. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in
: wrote: Simply allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens would be a slap in the face of every single LEGAL Immigrant to this country that went through the process of citizenship. I for one would be ****ed. My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? The issue really seems to be the limit on the number or and time allowed for non-citizens to remain in the US. Many I am sure, do not wish to become citizens. Many do. This whole issue seems to center around two issues: 1. I got mine and I don't want anyone else to get theirs. 2. Fear and hate of all "Them" If they are not "Us" they are bad evil ... No,it's "it's OUR country,and WE get to say who enters,and how they do it". And "we don't reward illegal acts".(it just encourages more illegal acts) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
news:KoK5g.495$0v6.84@trndny05: "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? The issue really seems to be the limit on the number or and time allowed for non-citizens to remain in the US. Many I am sure, do not wish to become citizens. Many do. One of the problems is so much mis-information. Amnesty? Send them all home? Work permits? Free ride? Jail? Reagan granted amnesty back in 1986,and after that the floodgates opened;after all,one could expect another amnesty(and here we are again considering it!!). Reagan promised strict enforcement of illegal immigration after the amnesty,and that was dropped immediately. We *rewarded* their illegal act of "immigration" and of course got much more of it. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On 2 May 2006 08:10:26 -0700, "Larry Bud"
wrote: No, the issue is #3 3. We have a process to come to the United States legally, so that you are who you say you are, aren't a convicted criminal or gang banger or child molestor or terrorist, and if you don't like the process we have, then that's YOUR problem. Millions of other legal immigrants didn't have a problem obeying our laws, and you shouldn't either. Not only that, don't be shocked when there are some angry people in the United States, people whose tax dollar go to provide you with free stuff, even though you've invaded this country illegally. America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants and rational people welcome legal immigrants with open arms. But when you come here illegally, then have the nerve to DEMAND the government disregard the fact that you broke the law, expect a backlash. http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/006329.php Oren "My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes." |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
: wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Who did it before the massive influx of Mexicans? -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
.. . "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Who did it before the massive influx of Mexicans? Jim Yanik I'm vague about that, but I believe that in the days of family farms, the larger ones still hired migrants, but they were citizens. |
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The bottom line here is, we have become dependent on having a very
low-paid underclass available to keep us supplied with low-cost vegetables, domestic workers, construction workers, and so forth. Why do you think Reagan gave the amnesty? Why do you think Bush is considering it again? Here's a hint: It has nothing to do with being fair, nice, or welcoming the wretched refuse of some other teeming shore....It has to do with assuring a supply of low-cost workers for big business. When people say American citizens won't do those jobs, it's incorrect. What we won't do is those jobs for that kind of money. Jo Ann |
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I wonder.. Considering all but the Native Americans are illegal immigrants or decedents of them I suspect it would be rather quiet. Mostly, the Native Americans *ARE* the decedants. Thats why, as the progeny of the beneficiaries of an early open immigration policy, I don't want to be on the other side of the equation. It's a good way to end up administered to by the BIA. Not fun. Oh... You meant DESCENDANTS. Well.. All I can say is, adopting an open immigration policy as a source of cheap labor didn't work out too well for Santa Anna, either... |
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The issue really seems to be the limit on the number or and time allowed for non-citizens to remain in the US. Many I am sure, do not wish to become citizens. Many do. This whole issue seems to center around two issues: 1. I got mine and I don't want anyone else to get theirs. 2. Fear and hate of all "Them" If they are not "Us" they are bad evil ... You choose to cast "the issue" that way because, if you paid any attention at all to what people were actually concerned about, you'd have to conceed that they're right. |
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But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Yes. When did you start being afraid of hard work? |
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After I got off work this afternoon
I stopped to do my weekly grocery shopping at Wal-Mart that I would have done yesterday. What a nice experience it was! It took LESS time because there were LESS of "those" folks and their 5 or 6 kids clogging the aisles. There were NO shortages of the products I buy. (Didn't check the tortillas and chilies.) My neighborhood was quiet this morning no lawn equipment running. Traffic was light cause I didn't have to dodge 95 trailers with mowers and Mexico City driving rules. A really splendiferous day! Can we do it again.............ALWAYS? Xeno |
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Doug Kanter wrote: "Jim Yanik" wrote in message .. . "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Who did it before the massive influx of Mexicans? Jim Yanik I'm vague about that, but I believe that in the days of family farms, the larger ones still hired migrants, but they were citizens. The Rail Roads were built the same way. This goes WAY back and continues on an international black market level. |
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How about trying a month without illegals?
it's a start
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Larry Bud wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote: wrote: Simply allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens would be a slap in the face of every single LEGAL Immigrant to this country that went through the process of citizenship. I for one would be ****ed. My my. Who said they would not need to go though a process to obtain citizenship? Every one of them by the fact that they are trying to circumvent the existing process. There IS an avenue for them to have come here legally, you know. You really think so? Then why do they do otherwise? Do you have any idea of the obstacles that have been thrown in their way? This whole issue seems to center around two issues: 1. I got mine and I don't want anyone else to get theirs. 2. Fear and hate of all "Them" If they are not "Us" they are bad evil No, the issue is #3 3. We have a process to come to the United States legally, so that you are who you say you are, aren't a convicted criminal or gang banger or child molestor or terrorist, and if you don't like the process we have, then that's YOUR problem. Millions of other legal immigrants didn't have a problem obeying our laws, and you shouldn't either. Not only that, don't be shocked when there are some angry people in the United States, people whose tax dollar go to provide you with free stuff, even though you've invaded this country illegally. America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants and rational people welcome legal immigrants with open arms. But when you come here illegally, then have the nerve to DEMAND the government disregard the fact that you broke the law, expect a backlash. We also have a long long waiting list. ..... -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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"Goedjn" wrote in message
... But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Yes. When did you start being afraid of hard work? I'm not. Follow me around the garden for a long Saturday and you'll be ready for an ambulance. But I can envision a ****load of kids who'd be steered away from this kind of work by parents who think it's "for others". |
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Doug Kanter wrote: "Just Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: When an illegal alien finally comes across the border from Mexico and winds up committing a terrorist attack on the US, then maybe the politicians will finally do something to secure our borders. Right now, they are totally out of control and no one should be surprised one bit if the next Al Qaeda attack is via this route. It's not just Mexicans coming across the border. It's estimated there are some 40,000 illegals a year crossing the Mexican border from countries totally outside the region, like fromn Europe. Bush had the opportunity to fix this in the months immediately following 911. Now everyone is back in la la land. We are rapidly losing control of this country. The fact that illegal aliens have the balls to protest in the streets shows how far we've already fallen. Ya, but who started all this in the first place is what I want to know. Things have not changed and this "problem" have been around. Why NOW and who STARTED all this HYPE? Politicians that want to....? It's an election year. I think we should MIME the border. Excellent idea. Everybody hates mimes. When someone approaches they would put up their hands and stop them. |
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Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I for one would pay a little more money to support our own workforce. But, who would get this extra money if we kicked all illegals out of the country? Have you ever seen the backbreaking work involved in harvesting certain crops? Would you want your kids to do that kind of work? Sure, a bit of sweating won't hurt them. I remember watching kids get hay in - tossing around 100# bales all day. That doesn't mean they have to continue doing it...they could learn more, get better jobs, etc. Bet those haying soon learned they better stay in school... Here's the problem that we face in agricultural communities and in big cities. Most of the folks that pick things like tomatoes, grapes, celery, lettuce,...... are immigrants. Locals REFUSE to work these jobs. Pushing the immigrants out would drive up labor rates for these jobs to the point that locals WILL do it, but who wants to pay $2.50/lb for tomatoes, $3.50 for a head of lettuce.... Most of the folks in the back of restaurants, hotels and the like are immigrants, especially in the big cities, especially those in the south and west. Drive these folks out and a budget meal at a Mexican, Chinese, Italian restaurant will cost over $25 not including wine. A Motel 6 room will cost over $100/night. Lawn service crews, roofing crews, construction trades are all heavily populated with first and second generation immigrants. These immigrants don't displace local worker, they take jobs that locals refuse to take because the jobs are too low in pay, the job keeps them out in the sun all day, the work is seasonal, the work is physically difficult, etc. Throwing out the immigrants (legal or illegal) solves NOTHING. Kicking them out creates HUGE problems in many cities with basic services. If we want to sharply cut back the flow of illegal immigrants to the USA, the issue is how to create better economic conditions in the areas where they come from so the incentive to come to the USA is reduced. |
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"Just Bob" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Just Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: When an illegal alien finally comes across the border from Mexico and winds up committing a terrorist attack on the US, then maybe the politicians will finally do something to secure our borders. Right now, they are totally out of control and no one should be surprised one bit if the next Al Qaeda attack is via this route. It's not just Mexicans coming across the border. It's estimated there are some 40,000 illegals a year crossing the Mexican border from countries totally outside the region, like fromn Europe. Bush had the opportunity to fix this in the months immediately following 911. Now everyone is back in la la land. We are rapidly losing control of this country. The fact that illegal aliens have the balls to protest in the streets shows how far we've already fallen. Ya, but who started all this in the first place is what I want to know. Things have not changed and this "problem" have been around. Why NOW and who STARTED all this HYPE? Politicians that want to....? It's an election year. I think we should MIME the border. Excellent idea. Everybody hates mimes. When someone approaches they would put up their hands and stop them. The white gloves would be visible at quite a distance. Nobody would need to stop them - they'd flee. |
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Doug Kanter wrote: "Just Bob" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Just Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: When an illegal alien finally comes across the border from Mexico and winds up committing a terrorist attack on the US, then maybe the politicians will finally do something to secure our borders. Right now, they are totally out of control and no one should be surprised one bit if the next Al Qaeda attack is via this route. It's not just Mexicans coming across the border. It's estimated there are some 40,000 illegals a year crossing the Mexican border from countries totally outside the region, like fromn Europe. Bush had the opportunity to fix this in the months immediately following 911. Now everyone is back in la la land. We are rapidly losing control of this country. The fact that illegal aliens have the balls to protest in the streets shows how far we've already fallen. Ya, but who started all this in the first place is what I want to know. Things have not changed and this "problem" have been around. Why NOW and who STARTED all this HYPE? Politicians that want to....? It's an election year. I think we should MIME the border. Excellent idea. Everybody hates mimes. When someone approaches they would put up their hands and stop them. The white gloves would be visible at quite a distance. Nobody would need to stop them - they'd flee. To say noting about thier white faces. What's Mexican for VOODOO? |
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