I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

In article 83981e4a-f306-432c-9e4b-d0ade341f4a2
@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, larry moe 'n curly says...
I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.



You're assuming that the second SATA controller exists to utilize them.

--
Conor

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looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor wrote:

In article 83981e4a-f306-432c-9e4b-d0ade341f4a2
@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, larry moe 'n curly says...

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

You're assuming that the second SATA controller exists to utilize them.

Yes, and apparently the NVidia chipset does support additional SATA
devices. I don't know if the BIOS does, and it's possible that a
termination voltage source/sink isn't there fro the extra SATA
connectors.

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
wrote:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

There is usually a bit more to it than simply attaching the SATA
connectors. The BIOS ALSO has to support it, and since THAT MOBO did NOT
have those ports, you will not be able to find a BIOS for that MOBO that
will have those ports in it. SO even with the right parts, the BIOS on
the model MOBO does not support your "need".

After all the hours you would spend,

Hours??? Similar mods in the past took me 20 minutes, including the
time to desolder the parts from a junked mobo.

you could SIMPLY go BUY another, proper motherboard.

That would entail a 500' walk to Fry's Electronics.

That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour,

If I got paid that much, I'd also take hours to do this job.

This is an exercise in futility, not to mention a big waste of time,
even if all you needed to install was the connector. Just sourcing the
right part alone might be difficult, since they do NOT all match.

I don't see any problem except possibly an active termination voltage
regulator, but because differential signals are involved, I assume
that only ordinary resistors are used.

Just curious: How many times have you done mods like this?

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:20:56 -0500, Meat Plow
wrote:

After all the hours you would spend, you could SIMPLY go BUY another,
proper motherboard. That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour, so if I can
buy it cheaper than spending hours upon hours trying to fudge the ****ing
thing to existence, I'll be spending the cash, and keeping my personal
time for better hobby tasks.

If the OP is LUCKY he can research this and maybe find another who has
successfully done this. But I doubt this will be the case. I've
modified a SATA mobo to have RAID ports where non existed in the stock
BIOS by flashing a BIOS with RAID support. However the hardware was
already on the board.

Oh yeah sure, PlowTard. You've just done ****ing everything.

Making **** up as you go along makes you even more transparent than you
already were.

For some reason, I no longer believe that your time is worth a couple
hundred $$$ an hour.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

The "resistors" at the SATA4 connector appear to be labelled as
C151-4. This begs the question, what are caps doing on a high speed
interface?

This URL talks about 100 ohm termination resistors across the two
signal pairs:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_C...erial_ATA.html

This URL suggests that 20K pullup and pulldown resistors may sometimes
be used in noisy environments:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_RS644.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:52:10 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
put finger to keyboard and composed:



Conor wrote:

In article 83981e4a-f306-432c-9e4b-d0ade341f4a2
@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, larry moe 'n curly says...

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

You're assuming that the second SATA controller exists to utilize them.

Yes, and apparently the NVidia chipset does support additional SATA
devices. I don't know if the BIOS does, and it's possible that a
termination voltage source/sink isn't there fro the extra SATA
connectors.

There exist utilities (eg AMIBCP) that can enable hidden features in
your BIOS. It could be that your additional SATA ports are supported,
but they may have been turned off by default.

For example, count the "not active" features in this AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/340S8/BIOSNOTV.RPT

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:58:42 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n
curly" wrote:



Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
wrote:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

There is usually a bit more to it than simply attaching the SATA
connectors. The BIOS ALSO has to support it, and since THAT MOBO did NOT
have those ports, you will not be able to find a BIOS for that MOBO that
will have those ports in it. SO even with the right parts, the BIOS on
the model MOBO does not support your "need".

After all the hours you would spend,

Hours??? Similar mods in the past took me 20 minutes, including the
time to desolder the parts from a junked mobo.

He's obviously never done this kind of thing so the hours
are needed to assemble the tools and practice. It wouldn't
be especially hard to solder given practice with similar
work, would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.


you could SIMPLY go BUY another, proper motherboard.

That would entail a 500' walk to Fry's Electronics.

Uphill both ways!




That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour,

If I got paid that much, I'd also take hours to do this job.

LOL



This is an exercise in futility, not to mention a big waste of time,
even if all you needed to install was the connector. Just sourcing the
right part alone might be difficult, since they do NOT all match.

I don't see any problem except possibly an active termination voltage
regulator, but because differential signals are involved, I assume
that only ordinary resistors are used.


The resistors you could probably just measure, since they're
present for the other two ports. "IF" all other elements of
doing this were in place, at most the bios would have the
feature hidden but still present logically if the capability
were otherwise present.

Are nVidia 430 and 410 pin-compatible, at least enough that
ECS did what they do best, economized by using the same PCB
layout for either possibility? That seems to be the
problem, use of 410 chipset which only supports 2 SATA ports
instead of 430 chipset which supports 4. Unless nVidia is
pulling a fast one and 410 is just a whole 430 chip
rebranded that manufacturers have agreed not to implement
all 4 SATA ports on, it seems having the 410 is the
show-stopper.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

The "resistors" at the SATA4 connector appear to be labelled as
C151-4. This begs the question, what are caps doing on a high speed
interface?

This URL talks about 100 ohm termination resistors across the two
signal pairs:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_C...erial_ATA.html

This URL suggests that 20K pullup and pulldown resistors may sometimes
be used in noisy environments:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_RS644.html

- Franc Zabkar

I could find a reference to AC or DC coupling here. (I bet
some sata-io.org document would cover this in more detail.)

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/p...ents/3527s.pdf

I have an Intel sample schematic where the 1.5Gb/sec SATA interface
was DC coupled. And can also find examples with AC coupling.

Pg. 8 here uses 10nF capacitors.

http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4951.pdf

PCI Express uses AC coupling, and also uses 8B10B coding
like SATA does. At least with PCI Express, coupling caps
are used consistently.

Paul

On Jan 10, 9:57 am, "larry moe 'n curly"
wrote:
I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

Hello,
I am not an expert, but the caps you see are the coupling caps.
The termination resistor would be at the end of the line, not the
middle.
I'm not sure what the value of the cap would be, but 100nF is a good
start.
I could be wildly wrong about the value, I know nothing of the SATA
specs.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:19:29 -0500, Paul put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

The "resistors" at the SATA4 connector appear to be labelled as
C151-4. This begs the question, what are caps doing on a high speed
interface?

This URL talks about 100 ohm termination resistors across the two
signal pairs:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_C...erial_ATA.html

This URL suggests that 20K pullup and pulldown resistors may sometimes
be used in noisy environments:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_RS644.html

- Franc Zabkar

I could find a reference to AC or DC coupling here. (I bet
some sata-io.org document would cover this in more detail.)

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/p...ents/3527s.pdf

I have an Intel sample schematic where the 1.5Gb/sec SATA interface
was DC coupled. And can also find examples with AC coupling.

Pg. 8 here uses 10nF capacitors.

http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4951.pdf

PCI Express uses AC coupling, and also uses 8B10B coding
like SATA does. At least with PCI Express, coupling caps
are used consistently.

Paul

Thanks again. I'd always thought AC coupling wasn't necessary when the
two devices at either end of the cable were differentially coupled or
powered from the same supply. I tend to associate AC coupling with
analogue circuits rather than digital.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

larry moe 'n curly wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:
Meat Plow wrote:

After all the hours you would spend, you could SIMPLY go BUY another,
proper motherboard. That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour, so if I can
buy it cheaper than spending hours upon hours trying to fudge the ****ing
thing to existence, I'll be spending the cash, and keeping my personal
time for better hobby tasks.

If the OP is LUCKY he can research this and maybe find another who has
successfully done this. But I doubt this will be the case. I've
modified a SATA mobo to have RAID ports where non existed in the stock
BIOS by flashing a BIOS with RAID support. However the hardware was
already on the board.

Oh yeah sure, PlowTard. You've just done ****ing everything.

Making **** up as you go along makes you even more transparent than you
already were.

For some reason, I no longer believe that your time is worth a couple
hundred $$$ an hour.

Minimum wage more like. Probably still lives with Mom and Dad.

Graham

kony wrote:

Are nVidia 430 and 410 pin-compatible, at least enough that
ECS did what they do best, economized by using the same PCB
layout for either possibility? That seems to be the
problem, use of 410 chipset which only supports 2 SATA ports
instead of 430 chipset which supports 4. Unless nVidia is
pulling a fast one and 410 is just a whole 430 chip
rebranded that manufacturers have agreed not to implement
all 4 SATA ports on, it seems having the 410 is the
show-stopper.

Are the data sheets online ?

Graham

Paul wrote:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

The "resistors" at the SATA4 connector appear to be labelled as
C151-4. This begs the question, what are caps doing on a high speed
interface?

This URL talks about 100 ohm termination resistors across the two
signal pairs:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_C...erial_ATA.html

This URL suggests that 20K pullup and pulldown resistors may sometimes
be used in noisy environments:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_RS644.html

- Franc Zabkar

I could find a reference to AC or DC coupling here. (I bet
some sata-io.org document would cover this in more detail.)

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/p...ents/3527s.pdf

I have an Intel sample schematic where the 1.5Gb/sec SATA interface
was DC coupled. And can also find examples with AC coupling.

Pg. 8 here uses 10nF capacitors.

http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4951.pdf

PCI Express uses AC coupling, and also uses 8B10B coding
like SATA does. At least with PCI Express, coupling caps
are used consistently.

Checking out the existing components used in those locations would be
helpful. Can the OP read the markings on them ?

And I bet an application note or two might come in handy too.

As elsewhere mentioned, the BIOS setup may be the most tricky stumbling
block, but there are people around who know how to mod them.

Graham

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:52:10 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n
curly" wrote:



Conor wrote:

In article 83981e4a-f306-432c-9e4b-d0ade341f4a2
@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, larry moe 'n curly says...

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.

You're assuming that the second SATA controller exists to utilize them.

Yes, and apparently the NVidia chipset does support additional SATA
devices. I don't know if the BIOS does, and it's possible that a
termination voltage source/sink isn't there fro the extra SATA
connectors.


Which chipsets do these boards have? AFAIK, nVidia 400,
405, 410 only support 2 SATA. 430 supports 4.

One thing we might need to consider is that if anyone were
to pull some stunt trying to save a fraction of a cent on
resistors, it'd be ECS/PCChips.

I don't have an nForce /4xx series board available to check
it, but checking an old A7N8X board that uses a Silicon
Image SATA controller, it has the SATA data pins coupled
directly to the chip inputs with a 2200pF ceramic chip
capacitor in series.

The picture linked above is a little high in contrast so
it's hard to tell but might those empty spots be
corresponding to capacitors on the adjacent used SATA spots?
Further, if you can trace these data lines to the chipset,
are there unused surface mount pads adjacent to it?

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:06:31 -0500, kony
wrote:

Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/...b349938d_o.jpg


snip

I don't have an nForce /4xx series board available to check
it, but checking an old A7N8X board that uses a Silicon
Image SATA controller, it has the SATA data pins coupled
directly to the chip inputs with a 2200pF ceramic chip
capacitor in series.

The picture linked above is a little high in contrast so
it's hard to tell but might those empty spots be
corresponding to capacitors on the adjacent used SATA spots?
Further, if you can trace these data lines to the chipset,
are there unused surface mount pads adjacent to it?


I must be blind, upon looking at the picture again obviously
what I was thinking of is supposed to be capacitors as
marked with the C(nnn) silkscreening but now I wonder if you
were looking at the resistor, R(nn) silkscreened positions
above the SATA port in the pictures. They don't seem to be
for SATA?

kony wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:58:42 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n
curly" wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

you could SIMPLY go BUY another, proper motherboard.

That would entail a 500' walk to Fry's Electronics.

Uphill both ways!

I live in Phoenix. What do you mean by "hill"?

I don't see any problem except possibly an active termination voltage
regulator, but because differential signals are involved, I assume
that only ordinary resistors are used.

The resistors you could probably just measure, since they're
present for the other two ports. "IF" all other elements of
doing this were in place, at most the bios would have the
feature hidden but still present logically if the capability
were otherwise present.

Are nVidia 430 and 410 pin-compatible, at least enough that
ECS did what they do best, economized by using the same PCB
layout for either possibility? That seems to be the
problem, use of 410 chipset which only supports 2 SATA ports
instead of 430 chipset which supports 4. Unless nVidia is
pulling a fast one and 410 is just a whole 430 chip
rebranded that manufacturers have agreed not to implement
all 4 SATA ports on, it seems having the 410 is the
show-stopper.

This mobo has an nVidia 405 chipset.
You've made the case for me to give up on this project.

On Jan 11, 10:52 am, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with. Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

I let my technicians do that work for me.

I can certainly do simple SMD work.

My technicians can do very complicated SMD work.

I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

Sounds like you were an assembler before being a technician?

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


I let my technicians worry about good solder joints.

would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.


I think you have lots of technician level experience, based upon your
comments here. In our company a technician with an attitudde like
your would not last very long though. Only the very best engineers
can have an attitude, in my experience.

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

pretty cocky for being a technician.

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:


Archimedes' Lever wrote:


I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

You're opening your self up for a big one Graham, get prepared
for the aftermath.



http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:52:24 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:00:23 -0500, kony wrote:


He's obviously never done this kind of thing so the hours
are needed to assemble the tools and practice.

You're obviously an idiot.

The person who can do something is the idiot instead of the
one who can't. Keep on telling yourself that if it makes
you happy.



It wouldn't
be especially hard to solder given practice with similar
work,

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with.

No they aren't more difficult when the part is as this is,
soldered into plated holes. Exact same procedure. For
that matter, just about anything with solder exposed is no
different on multi-layer boards, though when something is
connected to a power or ground plane it does take a lot more
heat.

I was actually being conservative with the prior mention of
it being a 20 minute job. It's a 4 minute job, maybe 10 if
the solder sucker didn't get enough out of the holes on the
first try.



Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

It's not a problem, though it's not a 0.092" PCB either.


I can certainly do simple SMD work.
I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

It's questionable whether your ability at SMD work is as
great as your ego if adding a mere SATA port seems
difficult.


I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

Then at some point you stopped learning.


would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

On Jan 10, 12:06*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour, so if I can
buy it cheaper than spending hours upon hours trying to fudge the ****ing
thing to existence, I'll be spending the cash, ......

and keeping my personal time for better hobby tasks.

dollar equiv of going to the bathroom : $15

Amount of money to get paid fo an 8 hour shift : $1600

Having personal time for coming on USENET and calling people pussy and
f*&k-heads : PRICELESS!

Can't think of any better hobby or task than that !

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:00:08 -0500, Jamie
t wrote:


Eeyore wrote:


Archimedes' Lever wrote:



I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham


You're opening your self up for a big one Graham, get prepared
for the aftermath.



You're both spewing more **** into the group than I ever have.

Donkey ass, with his less-than-peanut-gallery commentary, and you, with
your retarded link-to-self on each post. You're a joke.

You're both pretty ****ing pathetic.

Thank you.

Your comments are duly noted and dropped into the suggestion box.

Have a horrible day, and may it rain on your parade.
-

On Jan 12, 8:36 pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

I smack holier than thou retards like you around.

No you don't. You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.

My technicians can do very complicated SMD work.

Yeah... you got a whole gang of 'em. Right.

No. Just access to a few very good ones.

I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

Sounds like you were an assembler before being a technician?


You're an idiot. I'm an engineer, and I also assembled, and still do
in large system integrations. I also worked as a technician. I also
worked as an engineering technician.

A good engineer would not make such rash pronouncments before knowing
all the facts.

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

I let my technicians worry about good solder joints.

I'd bet that all your technicians know very little about soldering
science.

They are all certified (5 day test once a year) and have some kind of
sticker at their station.


would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.

I think you have lots of technician level experience,

I think that you are a retarded pussy that jacks off at the mouth a lot
in Usenet, but would cower irl.

You are such a "One-trick-pony" A real engineer would have a more
creative mind than only being able to come to usenet and deliver one-
dimensional insults.
A real engineer would be able to slice his opposition with a surgical
knife. You use a dull hatchet.

based upon your
comments here.


That is one of your problems. You should give the same credence as one
would during a face to face meeting, not use some other lame standard
because you are in Usenet. You making assessments "based on" a single
post tells a lot about how little you must know.

You can type this with a straight face? You call people f&*k-tards
every other sentence? what a hoot you are!

In our company a technician with an attitudde like
your would not last very long though.

Like I said, ****tard... I smack retarded little asswipes like you
around. I know EXACTLY what stupid ****heads like you are about.

No you don't. You would be in prison for asualt if you did that. And
certainly be out of work.

Only the very best engineers
can have an attitude, in my experience.

Well... **** off! How's that, dumbass?


There you go again.. Mr. One dimensional!


Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

pretty cocky for being a technician.

You're pretty stupid for claiming to have a mental age that matches
your numerical age.

Great Insult! Try going into the complex plane for a few insults
though - ok?

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:


Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.



No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded. Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

Does that mean you have **** for brains ?

On Jan 12, 9:05*pm, Jamie
t wrote:
Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

* No, YOU are trying. *I have succeeded. *Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. *By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

* I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

* My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! *I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

* *Does that mean you have **** for brains ?- Hide quoted text -

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You are playing the game on his field. Be more subtle in your
insults. He can't compete with you then.

wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:05 pm, Jamie
t wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded. Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

Does that mean you have **** for brains ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You are playing the game on his field. Be more subtle in your
insults. He can't compete with you then.

Duly noted!

On Jan 12, 9:41*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
No you don't. *You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.

*You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. *I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. *You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

* Your word isn't good enough. *You need a witness.

You were almost getting off the x-axis. But the gravitational pull is
just too great for you to break free of the x-axis (You do remeber x-
axis from junior high math? if not I can explain to you)

On Jan 12, 9:46*pm, wrote:
On Jan 12, 9:41*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
No you don't. *You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.

*You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. *I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. *You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

* Your word isn't good enough. *You need a witness.

You were almost getting off the x-axis. *But the gravitational pull is
just too great for you to break free of the x-axis (You do remeber x-
axis from junior high math? if not I can explain to you)

Actually, I think I may have overestimated you. Your insults are more
like a point. OK, maybe a very short line segment. Ha ha.

Seriously, dude, I have never seen such a wannabee for a long time.

On Jan 12, 9:51*pm, The Great Attractor
Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGala xy.org wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Great Insult! *Try going into the complex plane for a few insults
though - ok?

*I ALSO know more about fractals and chaos than you do. *I know right
where a little twit like you resides at in the Mandlebrot set.

I see you know how to assume multiple identities on USENET. My
estimation of you just went up a notch.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:36:51 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:15:53 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 11, 10:52 am, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with. Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

I let my technicians do that work for me.

I smack holier than thou retards like you around.

What? You don't smack anybody around, you just troll like a
spoiled child. Did it ever occur to you that when you write
something meant for others to read, if nobody has their head
up your ass as far as you do, that the intended effect just
isn't there at all?

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:41:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

No you don't. You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.


You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

Your word isn't good enough. You need a witness.

Hmm. Threatening physical violence. In past trolls you
attempted to claim there's nothing illegal about your
trolling. Care to take another guess?

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:43:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:

No they aren't more difficult when the part is as this is,
soldered into plated holes. Exact same procedure. For
that matter, just about anything with solder exposed is no
different on multi-layer boards, though when something is
connected to a power or ground plane it does take a lot more
heat.

I was actually being conservative with the prior mention of
it being a 20 minute job. It's a 4 minute job, maybe 10 if
the solder sucker didn't get enough out of the holes on the
first try.

I'll bet you have damaged more boards than you will even ever know.

Funny, I always thought that if it worked that was proof.



You
are too goddamned stupid to even grasp the tasks you are performing or
the results of 'your version' of those tasks.

The proof is the result, but to get the result you have to
stop pretending your vast knowledge makes things impossibly
hard.




I know, for a fact, that you have damaged the plating on several
boards, if your only method is the use of a solder sucker.

You don't seem to know much then.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:50:14 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:

It's questionable whether your ability at SMD work is as
great as your ego if adding a mere SATA port seems
difficult.


I think that your lack of grasp of what adding such a port entails
proves it to be more difficult than *you* originally perceived. The fact
that you were too stupid to know that it was more than simply adding the
connector header is quite a tell. Otherwise, you would not have been in
here looking for assistance.

Take your meds, re-read the topic, and perhaps you will then
see I was not the one who came looking for assistance.
Regardless, that is what the forum is for and the curious
part is you are here and not attempting to provide any on
what is a trivial solder job. You entirely missed both
factors required to have the intended result yet want to
claim vast experience somehow overrides the obvious.

Why do people need assistance? Because they get
misinformation from participants like yourself.

On Jan 12, 10:14*pm, Spurious Response
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:55:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 12, 9:51*pm, The Great Attractor
Sup...@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGal axy.org wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Great Insult! *Try going into the complex plane for a few insults
though - ok?

*I ALSO know more about fractals and chaos than you do. *I know right
where a little twit like you resides at in the Mandlebrot set.

I see you know how to assume multiple identities on USENET. *My
estimation of you just went up a notch.

*I figured you were too stupid to actually see the connection between the
nym and the last remarks.

* You really are too retarded for my time, turkey.

I don't really need to look at the name. Your writing here is very
distinctive. And did I mention, very one dimensional?

I would not be talking to me if I could be making $200/hour doing real
work.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:55:22 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony wrote:

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.


No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded.

You need to re-read what you wrote then, your grasp of
english seems to need a bit more polish.


Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through.

Oh, you mean you bought something as an end-user, and claim
that's knowledge, but you still can't wrap your head around
soldering a mere connector onto a PCB.

It's quite ridiculous. This is a very simple soldering job
that you've blown out of proportion. Ok, you made a mistake
underestimating the ability of people who have held a
soldering iron. That part was not such a big deal but
continuing to insist you are right contrary to common sense?
It's just amazing.

By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

Did the OP claim the goal was a NAS box on the net? If not,
you have become terribly confused somewhere. Besides that,
if the chipset supported the addt'l ports, and once the OP
had the needed capacitors, it was a 4 to 10 minute job. If
you can build a NAS and get it on the net in that amount of
time, it's only because it was 90% done already.


I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

Actually, many of us do this as a hobby and have spare parts
lying around. It takes about 45 seconds to pull an SATA
port off an old board if one has a hot air gun or even using
crude methods like a pencil torch held at a distance... or
of course, some of us even place orders at electronics
supply houses periodically so adding this to the list is a
fairly routine thing, not worth even mentioning as it's as
common as tying one's shoes in the morning.


My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

It's always nice to know exactly what you spend your time
thinking about, but you might consider getting an air
freshener and taking your meds.

On Jan 12, 10:24*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:08:06 -0500, kony wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:41:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

No you don't. *You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.

You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. *I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. *You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

*Your word isn't good enough. *You need a witness.

Hmm. *Threatening physical violence. *In past trolls you
attempted to claim there's nothing illegal about your
trolling. *Care to take another guess? *

* I think you need to review the context of the thread you retarded
little motherless *******.

* I have not threatened anyone, you stupid, illiterate ****tard!

* Now, run off, and make your wussy boy claims that I broke some law and
see where it gets you, pussy.

* Me declaring what I do to retarded twits "like you", and me saying "I
WILL SMACK so-and-so." are two different things.

* Now guess which one of the above I DID write, and which one I never
said at all, you stupid little piece of ****?

* Your mother should be jailed as a felon for the crime of not flushing
your retarded ass the moment she shat you out of here retarded ass.

* How's that for off-the-x-axis, you goddamned accusatory ****ing punk?!- Hide quoted text -

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I see why you come to this board. I do admire that you need to
improve your insults, and your realization that by surrounding
yourself with bright people it might raise your level up to. But
dude, you really have to work harder, and drop all the crass
language. It is like loading up a stew with 25 cups of salt. You
need more tools in your insult box.

You know the saying:

When all you have is a hammer , then every problem is a nail.

You have been doing this trolling bit for how long? And this is all
you have. Man you suck! I have met trolls that do better than you
after about 1 month of posting on usenet.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:24:29 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:08:06 -0500, kony wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:41:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

No you don't. You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.


You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

Your word isn't good enough. You need a witness.

Hmm. Threatening physical violence. In past trolls you
attempted to claim there's nothing illegal about your
trolling. Care to take another guess?


I think you need to review the context of the thread you retarded
little motherless *******.

I have not threatened anyone, you stupid, illiterate ****tard!

Really?



Now, run off, and make your wussy boy claims that I broke some law and
see where it gets you, pussy.

Getting defensive are we?



Me declaring what I do to retarded twits "like you", and me saying "I
WILL SMACK so-and-so." are two different things.


Oh? Then why did you bother writing anything???




Now guess which one of the above I DID write, and which one I never
said at all, you stupid little piece of ****?

Your mother should be jailed as a felon for the crime of not flushing
your retarded ass the moment she shat you out of here retarded ass.

At what point did you not grasp that around roughly the
1000th time you wrote something like this, nobody would see
it as anything other than thrashing around in desperation?


How's that for off-the-x-axis, you goddamned accusatory ****ing punk?!

You lied previously, you're not even half my age.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:18:18 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:


Did it ever occur to you that you have been in-the-barrel since you
mouthed off, dumb****?


Really? Because you say so? LOL

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:26:18 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:09:24 -0500, kony wrote:


You don't seem to know much then.


I have decades more experience and knowledge than you do.


So you know how old I am?

You sure as hell don't have more experience soldering a mere
connector onto a PCB if you think THIS is hard.