I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

--
Stoutman
www.garagewoodworks.com

"Stoutman" .@. wrote in :

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.


But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in time
to fix that?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Han wrote:

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in
time
to fix that?


You would be amazed what some 18 year old guys will do for am few bucks
and some good BEER.

Lew

"Stoutman" .@. writes:

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

Didn't work. When it slipped out of my hands, it didn't roll up.


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In article .com, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

When the time comes, I'm planning to remove my table saw and shaper from my
basement the same way they got down the a ramp bolted to the stairs, and a
dolly attached to a movable pulley.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

That approach doesn't work unless you warm up the anti-gravity machine
first.
JR
Dweller in thje cellar

Stoutman wrote:
Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.



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My daughter's boyfriend and his sculling teammates. Strong boys. Not
allowed to drink beer. Must consume copious quantities of pasta and salad.

Har!

Daddy likes them very much! ;-

J.


Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:02:01 GMT, Han wrote:

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in time
to fix that?

You can't. The best solution is not to put it down there to begin
with, or just hire people to get it back out.

JR North wrote:
That approach doesn't work unless you warm up the anti-gravity machine
first.
JR
Dweller in thje cellar

Stoutman wrote:
Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

It is important to remember that there are few woodworking machines
likely to be found in a basement shop that a Jeep in low-range 4 wheel
drive won't move.

The difficulty is in moving without _damaging_ it.

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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"Han" wrote in message

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in time
to fix that?

You can't. Better retire and let me take your woodworking tools away.

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in
oups.com:

I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT



Isn't that usually a problem for the for the executor of the estate?

Patriarch

"J." wrote in message
...
My daughter's boyfriend and his sculling teammates. Strong boys. Not
allowed to drink beer. Must consume copious quantities of pasta and salad.

Are you sure they are sculling teammates? I have been to many regattas and
never seen any sculling, except occasionally singles. More likely they are
rowing teammates.
Any while they probably have great endurance, they shouldn't be particularly
strong; better to get some boys from the football team.

Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 11:42am (EST-3)
(Too_Many_Tools) doth queryeth:
snip What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.
Anyone?

Simple. Just do it in reverse. Now, you need to remove something,
or you just asking?



JOAT
It was too early in the morning for it to be early in the morning. That
was the only thing that he currently knew for sure.
- Clodpool

I had a monster compressor in a basement. Put some planks on the stairs
& laid the compressor on them. Tied a rope to the compressor, went
around a change-of-direction pulley to a truck and "drove" the
compressor upstairs. No kids hanging around so I got to drink the beer!


Tom
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Han wrote:

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in
time
to fix that?


You would be amazed what some 18 year old guys will do for am few bucks
and some good BEER.

Lew

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:02:01 GMT, Han wrote:

"Stoutman" .@. wrote in :

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.


But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in time
to fix that?

Hire movers.

On Mar 10, 6:18 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:02:01 GMT, Han wrote:
"Stoutman" .@. wrote :

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in time
to fix that?

Hire movers.

Exaclty. When SWMBO announced she was defecting to another team, I
dreaded the affect it would have on the workshop. Turns out a few
hundred dollars and a large number of moving guys later, I had my shop
in a semi-better location. Now, if I can just get an electrician to
put in a 20 amp circut, I don't care if I have to improve the
landlord's house.

come alongs and ramps on the stairs......

-jd



"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com...
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

"Upscale" wrote in
:


"Han" wrote in message

Think about how you got it down there. Then, do it in reverse.

But now my back isn't anymore what it was then. How do I go back in
time to fix that?

You can't. Better retire and let me take your woodworking tools away.

How far from 07410 do you live? I owe you a beer ...


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

The question is - how did it get there ?

My dad put and got his (now mine) 11" 44" Sheldon Lathe into a basement and back
by him self. But he also grew up on a farm that used horses to drag plows,
used batteries to power lights...

So here goes:

1. run a feasibility on the physical path
2. consider trenching out the wall and going through that way (like boats.....)
3. Saying no to trench - then make the stairs able to hold the load 4X the weight
of the object. That is use large timber. And consider that the loss of the
machine is nominal to that of a person or house ?

4. Then think electric winch capable of pulling the load. Likely a truck type.

5. Go crazy and figure you can mount that to the outside of the house and cable
through a window.

6. By hand and steel rod rollers the machine was moved to the stairs.

7. Getting help along the way would be best. One needs to risk life and
work the bottom end, the other on the winch and a phone for help as needed.

8. Once the end was pulling up - guided over a pulley for safety the end
was dancing on the floor and allowed it to be moved to the foot of
the stair.
9. Once square with the stair, the pulley was lowered putting the lathe
onto the flat wood sheeting laid over the stair. He used a stack up
of two layers of 3/4" ply each.
(he wished he had the 1 1/2" ply he had at the Air Base :-))
10. Once on the boards it was slow upwards until the hallway was reached.

11. pull up the cable to stand it on end and 'kick the tail of the lathe
down the hall and out the garage door.

12. Ease the head down and roll out the door - into the garage whereupon
the flabbergasted moving company guys said ok - we will get it from here!

13. Dad was 63 at the time - and didn't think it was all that bad.


But like I said - he worked horses and pulled lots of stuff up into the barn....

When you grow up on a farm in Indiana almost 100 years ago now tractors were
only a dream in someone's mind.

Skill learned then was deep within his head - along with N-dimensional Space formulas.

Martin


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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT


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The last one I moved out was a Logan 200 12"x24" metal lathe. Located in
a "quaint" old house in the imigrant section of town. Estate sale
deal, two sons squabling, when the day came to buy, it was a DO IT NOW
deal. Stripped it down to the bed, parts of the headstock, and the
crossfeed, came in at around 225 pounds. Narrow stairs with low head
clearance, 90 degree bend at the bottom, steep. My buddy was at the top,
lift one step at a time. I was at the bottom, just had to hold up my end
of the deal. Owner was standing behind me, pushing me up the stairs. It
was great fun. BTW: I really like the lathe!

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

Gravity got it down there, so the obvious answer is to use some anti-gravity
technology to
get it out. I don't have a source for the anti-gravity, but I think my wife
must. I see her looking
in the mirror, muttering "damned gravity"---then rubbing stuff on the parts
that are headed for the floor. I can only assume that the jars and tubes
contain some sort of anti-gravity material.

Bill

"Bill Marrs" wrote in message
news:00LIh.1928$0W5.434@trndny05...
Gravity got it down there, so the obvious answer is to use some
anti-gravity technology to
get it out. I don't have a source for the anti-gravity, but I think my
wife must. I see her looking
in the mirror, muttering "damned gravity"---then rubbing stuff on the
parts that are headed for the floor. I can only assume that the jars and
tubes contain some sort of anti-gravity material.

Bill


Pfizer makes some anti-gravity stuff too. I think they call it Viagra.

--
Stoutman
www.garagewoodworks.com

Bill Marrs wrote:
Gravity got it down there, so the obvious answer is to use some anti-gravity
technology to
get it out. I don't have a source for the anti-gravity, but I think my wife
must. I see her looking
in the mirror, muttering "damned gravity"---then rubbing stuff on the parts
that are headed for the floor. I can only assume that the jars and tubes
contain some sort of anti-gravity material.


Tell that to her, Bill and I'll bet she shows you just enough
anti-gravity to take you into orbit.g

If you want to get it out safely, look into a local moving company. I'm not
talking about Mayflower Van Lines. Most fair sized towns have at least one
local mover with manpower and equipment to handle this. Many of these
companies have an item called a stair-crawler that helps movers get big
items up the steps -- Like my 800 pound gun safe.

I had such a group move our possessions into a storage facility a few years
ago for about $350. That included the safe.


RonB


"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com...
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

On Mar 10, 2:42 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

No such stories other than a fellow in another part of town built a
big-ass sailboat in his backyard and it was clearly impossible for
that boat to get between the houses and past trees, yadda, yadda. The
neighbours called him Noah, because they felt that was the only way
that boat was getting out of there.
Then, much to everybody's surprise a big-ass mobile crane rolled into
the street, ran out its outriggers and erected itself, unfolding a big-
ass jib and reached over the roof of the house and picked the boat up
and put it on a waiting trailer. It was all said and done in a few
hours.
He's still smirking at his neighbours who had thought all along that
he was crazy.
I still remember the funny caption under the picture in the local
paper (I'm not sure if it was intentional or not) "The crane reached
over the house and picked up the boat on put it on the trailer without
a hitch." (credit Sarnia Observer)

r

On 10 Mar 2007 11:42:41 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

You must go back in time and select the right house ;-)

Our current house has a daylight basement with a "boat door" on the
partially open side (with its own concrete drive all the way to the
street). I roll up the door to move things in or out, The hard part
is getting big/heavy stuff into/out of the truck...

John

Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 10, 2:42 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

No such stories other than a fellow in another part of town built a
big-ass sailboat in his backyard and it was clearly impossible for
that boat to get between the houses and past trees, yadda, yadda. The
neighbours called him Noah, because they felt that was the only way
that boat was getting out of there.
Then, much to everybody's surprise a big-ass mobile crane rolled into
the street, ran out its outriggers and erected itself, unfolding a big-
ass jib and reached over the roof of the house and picked the boat up
and put it on a waiting trailer. It was all said and done in a few
hours.
He's still smirking at his neighbours who had thought all along that
he was crazy.
I still remember the funny caption under the picture in the local
paper (I'm not sure if it was intentional or not) "The crane reached
over the house and picked up the boat on put it on the trailer without
a hitch." (credit Sarnia Observer)

That, in reverse, happens here all the time with swimming pools. Made of
glassfibre, they come on a large truck, & are craned into a pit dug in
the backyard.

Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 10, 2:42 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

No such stories other than a fellow in another part of town built a
big-ass sailboat in his backyard and it was clearly impossible for
that boat to get between the houses and past trees, yadda, yadda. The
neighbours called him Noah, because they felt that was the only way
that boat was getting out of there.
Then, much to everybody's surprise a big-ass mobile crane rolled into
the street, ran out its outriggers and erected itself, unfolding a big-
ass jib and reached over the roof of the house and picked the boat up
and put it on a waiting trailer. It was all said and done in a few
hours.
He's still smirking at his neighbours who had thought all along that
he was crazy.
I still remember the funny caption under the picture in the local
paper (I'm not sure if it was intentional or not) "The crane reached
over the house and picked up the boat on put it on the trailer without
a hitch." (credit Sarnia Observer)

r


Now that one caused me a double-take. I grew up in Sarnia, and my
parents are still there.

As I recall, there are a lot of boatbuilders in that town. As a teen I
was one of them, but nothing as grand as what you describe.

Tanus (now in Ottawa)

--
This is not really a sig.

http://users.compzone.ca/george/shop/

Seem to recall an article with photos of cutting a hole in the floor
above and using tackle to raise the equipment and patch the floor.

On 10 Mar 2007 11:42:41 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

remember: there is no gravity the earth suck". eventually, it will have to
exhale. When it does, simply guide it up the stairs.....


--JD

why not sell it on ebay and tell the buyer he must remove it ,then go
and buy some new stuff.

just me

On Mar 11, 3:10 am, David R Brooks wrote:


That, in reverse, happens here all the time with swimming pools. Made of
glassfibre, they come on a large truck, & are craned into a pit dug in
the backyard.

In Newfoundland, they not only deliver the pool that way, but also the
hole to put it in.
Truckers there, have trouble loading the holes as they often back into
them when loading.

r

Keywords:
In article , "RonB" wrote:
If you want to get it out safely, look into a local moving company. I'm not
talking about Mayflower Van Lines. Most fair sized towns have at least one
local mover with manpower and equipment to handle this. Many of these
companies have an item called a stair-crawler that helps movers get big
items up the steps -- Like my 800 pound gun safe.

I had such a group move our possessions into a storage facility a few years
ago for about $350. That included the safe.

Many regular movers aren't that wild (or good) at moving really heavy
items. I've used piano movers a couple times with great success. They
are used to dealing with large heavy objects that are worth lots of
money, and they are also used to being careful about not bashing into
doorways & the like. The one thing they get leery about is using their
padded moving blankets on greasy machines, so if you think you might need
them, you should get your own (they're pretty cheap).

The first time, I hired "Death Wish Piano Movers", which has a long local
history. They drive black trucks & wear black shirts, all emblazoned
with a white logo with a skull. They did a great job moving a lathe for
a few hundred bucks. Unfortunately, they got bought out and went
downhill, but one of the original owners started up a new company. I
used them to move the lathe & my mill to a new home. They quoted me
$450, and it all went very smoothly. They said it was so easy they
dropped the price to $400. The professional machinery riggers
(millwrights) I talked to wanted $800 or more for the same job.

Doug White

one of these:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?
Itemnumber=30324
is very useful for the kind of machinery moving you're talking about.
unlike with a block and tackle when you let go of it it doesn't go
sliding back into the basement....

I know of two upright piano stories:

Bruce, an ex-marine technician I used to work with, had an upright in his basement that he needed to move out. My friend Arne was helping him. They got it to the bottom of the stairs, and Bruce put a single 2x4 across a doorway and attached his come-along to it. Arne asked him--are you sure this works? Bruce said "Sure it does". The piano got about halfway up the stairs before the 2x4 broke. Fortunately, everyone was at the top.

The other happened to my Dad. I was there, but too small to help much. We'd had the upright in the basement for years, it was time to sell it. My Dad was really worried about getting the piano out of the basement in one piece, so when he sold it (for $100), he made a big deal out of the fact that it was being sold in the basement, and it was the new owner's problem to get it out. They got it out just fine, with the exception of having to cut the floor out of a coat closet above the stairs for clearance. When it came to the top of the stairs, for some reason it had to be tipped a bit. The front panel opened up and not one, but two $100 silver certificates fell out. The new owner graciously offered my Dad $20 to cover the closet floor...

Steve

"Steve Smith" wrote in message
...
I know of two upright piano stories:

The front panel opened up and not one, but two $100 silver certificates
fell out. The new owner graciously offered my Dad $20 to cover the closet
floor...

What a guy.

I moved several machines; a 10 in Logan and an old P&W horrizontal mill
into and out of a basement through a Bilco type hatch with the assistance
of a local garage. Had him come by with his wrecker which had a hydraulic
extension arm. I removed ther steps from the metal stringers, dismounted
the table on the mill and the legs from the lathe and had him drop them
down into the hatch onto a dolly or moved them to the hatch on a dolly and
had him lift them out and take them around to my driveway.

I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

On 10 Mar 2007 11:42:41 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I, like all of you, have read of a number of accounts over the years
of how some of our fellow lovers of heavy machines have moved their
prized machines into the bowels of a basement shop.

What I would like to hear are stories of how you have removed a
machine from a difficult location such as a basement.

Anyone?

TMT

A few strong men and beer.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:23:31 GMT, Me wrote:

why not sell it on ebay and tell the buyer he must remove it ,

I'm about to do that with a 450 gallon spa that got put in place by
crane. G