Went to the local HD yesterday to pick up a bunch of sandpaper and a few
5/16" and 3/8" bolts I needed. Found what I wanted and decided to speed
things up by going to the self-checkout line. Bad move.

The sandpaper scanned fine, but I was at a loss how to deal with the bolts.
4 @ $0.13 and 4 @ $.14, IIRC. No bar code, no obvious way to enter them
into the system. I futzed around a bit while several sales droid types
hung out and observed the chaos.

Eventually, I found a screen that said something like "press here to summon
help", which I did. Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Still no assistance-droids.

Some more futzing, and the machine prompted me to swipe my credit card. A
droid came over, helpfully showed me how to swipe it, and watched me
complete the transaction.

Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?

Ummmm... Couple quick options:
1) Wave your arm to attract the attention of the "sales droids"
2) Talk to the "sales droid" when it comes over to help you with the credit
card transaction
3) Cancel the transaction, and walk all the way over to the regular tills.

It's only a dollar's worth of items, so I doubt that HD is going to go broke
over it. But the fact that you couldn't scan the items in is not really an
excuse for not paying for them, IMHO.

Clint

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
Went to the local HD yesterday to pick up a bunch of sandpaper and a few
5/16" and 3/8" bolts I needed. Found what I wanted and decided to speed
things up by going to the self-checkout line. Bad move.

The sandpaper scanned fine, but I was at a loss how to deal with the
bolts.
4 @ $0.13 and 4 @ $.14, IIRC. No bar code, no obvious way to enter them
into the system. I futzed around a bit while several sales droid types
hung out and observed the chaos.

Eventually, I found a screen that said something like "press here to
summon
help", which I did. Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match
what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Still no assistance-droids.

Some more futzing, and the machine prompted me to swipe my credit card. A
droid came over, helpfully showed me how to swipe it, and watched me
complete the transaction.

Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for
sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
Went to the local HD yesterday to pick up a bunch of sandpaper and a few
5/16" and 3/8" bolts I needed. Found what I wanted and decided to speed
things up by going to the self-checkout line. Bad move.

The sandpaper scanned fine, but I was at a loss how to deal with the
bolts.
4 @ $0.13 and 4 @ $.14, IIRC. No bar code, no obvious way to enter them
into the system. I futzed around a bit while several sales droid types
hung out and observed the chaos.

Eventually, I found a screen that said something like "press here to
summon
help", which I did. Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match
what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Still no assistance-droids.

Some more futzing, and the machine prompted me to swipe my credit card. A
droid came over, helpfully showed me how to swipe it, and watched me
complete the transaction.

Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for
sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?

Pay them - on your next visit. Next time, ask for help or better yet, shop
at a place that has better customer service.
Dave



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I have done this three times at both Lowes and HD. Hollar at the top of
your voice, "Your stupid machine does not work." I guarantee, you will
get their attention and some service. The short embarrasment on you
part is well worth seeing their shocked faces. Since everybody knows
that what you said is true, they all laugh with you, not at you.

Bill in WNC mountains

"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have done this three times at both Lowes and HD. Hollar at the top of
your voice, "Your stupid machine does not work." I guarantee, you will
get their attention and some service. The short embarrasment on you
part is well worth seeing their shocked faces. Since everybody knows
that what you said is true, they all laugh with you, not at you.

Bill in WNC mountains


I once stood in a store waiting for a salesperson for way too long. I
eventually whipped oput my mobile phone called the store and explained the
problem. Inside of 60 sec I helpful person was speeding toward me. YMMV

Mekon

I was once given about thirty dollars of pipe by a Home Desperate manager.


I went in and bought four, ten-foot lengths of pipe for pipe clamps, had
them cut into three pieces (2, 3 and 5-feet long), and threaded on both ends
of all the peices. They give you one threading for free, and charge for any
more. The drone in plumbing didn't know how to write up the ticket for the
extra cuts and threading, so we walked up front to talk to someone else, who
also had no clue. They called another cluless droid, who called another,
who called another, who called another... ...over the course of twenty
minutes every droid in the store had come up and tried something but none of
their somethings had worked. Finally the manager came up front to see what
all the calls were about. He tried a couple of things, neither of which
worked. Finally he looked over at me and asked, "How long have you been
standing here while we have been trying to figure this out?"

When I told him it was pushing a half hour, he told me he was sorry for my
inconveniance, and to take the pipe and leave. I was back in the store a
week later, and there were prices and codes for the extra cut and thread
fees posted next to the machines.

I thought about writing a letter to corporate, to let them know how much I
appreciated being treated right, but thought better of it. I figure they
would probably fire him for it.

Heehee...I did the same thing at a Home Depot once, called the manager and
asked him why he wasn't running one of the cash registers since the lines
weren't moving and there were no cashiers to be found, amazingly, after I
hung up, he found some employees to put to work.

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee that I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

John

"Mekon" wrote in message
...

"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have done this three times at both Lowes and HD. Hollar at the top of
your voice, "Your stupid machine does not work." I guarantee, you will
get their attention and some service. The short embarrasment on you
part is well worth seeing their shocked faces. Since everybody knows
that what you said is true, they all laugh with you, not at you.

Bill in WNC mountains


I once stood in a store waiting for a salesperson for way too long. I
eventually whipped oput my mobile phone called the store and explained the
problem. Inside of 60 sec I helpful person was speeding toward me. YMMV

Mekon

On Tue, 09 May 2006 22:34:50 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

Went to the local HD yesterday to pick up a bunch of sandpaper and a few
5/16" and 3/8" bolts I needed. Found what I wanted and decided to speed
things up by going to the self-checkout line. Bad move.

The sandpaper scanned fine, but I was at a loss how to deal with the bolts.
4 @ $0.13 and 4 @ $.14, IIRC. No bar code, no obvious way to enter them
into the system. I futzed around a bit while several sales droid types
hung out and observed the chaos.

Eventually, I found a screen that said something like "press here to summon
help", which I did. Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Still no assistance-droids.

Some more futzing, and the machine prompted me to swipe my credit card. A
droid came over, helpfully showed me how to swipe it, and watched me
complete the transaction.

Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?


The lags have a code ---usually 3 letters like....AAG....on the head.
That code needs to be entered into the system X the count.

If I were you I would just go back and pay. I once bought a bunch of
pipes and fittings. When I got home I realized that I had screwed one
piece to another and left it that way at checkout. The lady just
scanned one item. The next time I went back I just brought the item
with me and told the the story and paid for it.
If you don't pay for it you're a thief. If I'm going to be a thief it
should be BIG money..not some lags, etc

On Tue, 09 May 2006 22:34:50 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:


Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?

1. Be honest.

2. Don't waste our time with this childrish drivel. Get a life.

"Joe" wrote in message

If you don't pay for it you're a thief. If I'm going to be a thief it
should be BIG money..not some lags, etc

You're right. They say everyman has his price ... but a buck eight?

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/6/06

Roy Smith wrote:

Went to the local HD yesterday to pick up a bunch of sandpaper and a few
5/16" and 3/8" bolts I needed. Found what I wanted and decided to speed
things up by going to the self-checkout line. Bad move.

The sandpaper scanned fine, but I was at a loss how to deal with the bolts.
4 @ $0.13 and 4 @ $.14, IIRC. No bar code, no obvious way to enter them
into the system. I futzed around a bit while several sales droid types
hung out and observed the chaos.

Eventually, I found a screen that said something like "press here to summon
help", which I did. Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Still no assistance-droids.

Some more futzing, and the machine prompted me to swipe my credit card. A
droid came over, helpfully showed me how to swipe it, and watched me
complete the transaction.

Sigh. I walked out the door with my $11 or so worth of paid-for sandpaper,
plus (by my calculations), $1.08 worth of hex-head bolts, shamelessly
absconded with. What's a customer to do?
Do you make excuses for inaccurate income tax returns too? Do you claim
that there was no IRS agent available to help you fill out the forms
correctly?

Dave

On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee that I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.

If I were you I would just go back and pay.

I was at the local Napa today to get an airfilter, and told the guy
that I owed the store $1.26 for a couple of plastic license plate nuts
and machine screws. He remembered the transaction, said thanks for
coming back to pay, and looked genuinely pleased to have had me come
in. That's just gravy for me. The real payoff is the satisfaction and
peace of mind I get from doing the right thing.

JP
*****************************
The soapbox is yours.

In article , Larry Blanchard
wrote:

Here's to the brew you can't see through,
Black as a witch's cat.
If the porter runs out I'll switch to stout,
Straight from the brewers tap.

I'll drink to that.

Happy Birthday, Larry!

Jay Pique wrote:


I was at the local Napa today to get an airfilter, and told the guy
that I owed the store $1.26 for a couple of plastic license plate nuts
and machine screws. He remembered the transaction, said thanks for
coming back to pay, and looked genuinely pleased to have had me come
in. That's just gravy for me. The real payoff is the satisfaction
and peace of mind I get from doing the right thing.


Sonce today was my birthday (69) I went for a nice lunch at a local
microbrewery. Along with a very good fettucine with portobello
mushrooms and chunks of prime rib, I had a pint of stout and a pint of
dunkel. They forgot to charge for the stout. I told the waitress I
wasn't going to cheat someone on my birthday, and she said the stout
would be a birthday present. Good feelings all around.

BTW, the pints inspired me to compose the following bit of verse.

Here's to the brew you can't see through,
Black as a witch's cat.
If the porter runs out I'll switch to stout,
Straight from the brewers tap.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics and
Walmart.


Al


"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee that
I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.

They can legally do it anywhere, if you let them.

"Al" wrote in message
k.net...
They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your
receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics
and
Walmart.

I find that very hard to believe. Once I pay for something, I own the
property. No one has the legal right to search my belongings without
reasonable suspicion that I've done something illegal. If the police can't
do it, I doubt very seriously that a drone working for WalMart or Home Depot
can.
When I say that they "can't" obviously if they're willing to make it into a
physical confrontation they can, but not legally and certainly not without
my sueing them and winning and possibly filing criminal charges against them
for battery.

Stores and their employee's don't enjoy any more legal rights to search or
detain citizens than any other business.

John

"Al" wrote in message
k.net...
They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your
receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics
and
Walmart.


Al


"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had
someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee
that
I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.

"John Emmons" wrote in message
...
I find that very hard to believe. Once I pay for something, I own the
property. No one has the legal right to search my belongings without
reasonable suspicion that I've done something illegal. If the police can't
do it, I doubt very seriously that a drone working for WalMart or Home
Depot
can.


Reasonable suspicion is the sirens going off from the magnetic strip on some
packages. First time it happened, I did stop, but raised hell with the
manager because of the incompetence of the cashier that did not deactivate
it.

Another time, the cashier was not able to get to it on a large item so she
said she'd just wave me on at the door. What she did not know was the
device came of easily and I stuck it on the bottom of the cart for the next
user.

All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy). I have had this done at walmart as well. Not arguing with you
about the legalities but I know what they do around the Portland Metro area.
As far as detaining you, store security can detain you and they are no more
then citizens. Don't know where you live but I would have agreed with you
years ago when I was a security guard but so many laws have changed in the
past 25 to 30 years. I know what I see and what the police have told me
about being able to detain people for probable cause. By denying them the
access to the bag/cart you give them probable cause to suspect even if your
standing on your rightfully so lorrals. This is so far off wood working I
am going back into my shop and build a tool box. Have a good day and I hope
if you run into what we talked about you are correct and the law enforcement
officers lied to me. Back to wood working topics for me.

Al

"John Emmons" wrote in message
...
I find that very hard to believe. Once I pay for something, I own the
property. No one has the legal right to search my belongings without
reasonable suspicion that I've done something illegal. If the police can't
do it, I doubt very seriously that a drone working for WalMart or Home
Depot
can.
When I say that they "can't" obviously if they're willing to make it into
a
physical confrontation they can, but not legally and certainly not without
my sueing them and winning and possibly filing criminal charges against
them
for battery.

Stores and their employee's don't enjoy any more legal rights to search or
detain citizens than any other business.

John

"Al" wrote in message
k.net...
They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your
receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics
and
Walmart.


Al


"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had
someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee
that
I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.

Al wrote:
All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy). I have had this done at walmart as well. Not arguing with you
about the legalities but I know what they do around the Portland Metro area.

You are making an offtopic argument then, as what's being asserted is
that snooping through your bag thing is completely voluntary on your
part and they have no right to do it if you refuse. If they suspect you
are a shoplifter they have procedures to follow. If they don't, they
have procedures to follow.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/nc-s...294/giantgenie

The trial court erred in directing verdict for defendant
grocery store manager as to plaintiff's claim for assault and
battery where the evidence tended to show that the manager
accused plaintiff of stealing cartons of cigarettes, grabbed
plaintiff's arm, and pulled him two aisles down toward the
store office. Since defendant manager was acting within the
scope of his employment by the corporate defendant, the
manager's actions will be imputed to the corporate defendant
under the doctrine of respondeat superior.

etc.

er
--
email not valid

In article et,
"Al" wrote:

All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy).

Hey, I bean there! And I've always meekly opened my bag and handed them
the receipt to compare...

Next time I might try to just keep walking and when they stop me, in a
loud voice I'll ask, "Are you saying you think I stole something from
your store?!"

In all likelyhood, the kid'll stammer out a "no" and I'll thank them and
again head out to my truck...
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
__________

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05

In article ,
John Emmons wrote:
I find that very hard to believe.

You, sir, "don't know what you don't know."

Once I pay for something, I own the
property. No one has the legal right to search my belongings without
reasonable suspicion that I've done something illegal. If the police can't
do it, I doubt very seriously that a drone working for WalMart or Home Depot
can.

You are, quite simply, _wrong_.

There is *lots* of case-law on that point.

When I say that they "can't" obviously if they're willing to make it into a
physical confrontation they can, but not legally and certainly not without
my sueing them and winning and possibly filing criminal charges against them
for battery.

"one thousand percent" wrong.

Stores and their employee's don't enjoy any more legal rights to search or
detain citizens than any other business.

*IF* they have notice prominently posted where you see it upon _entry_ to the
store, they _do_ have the *legal*right* to do so.

They have made it a condition of entry onto the premises -- their _private_
_property_ -- and you have *agreed* to that condition by entering the
premises.

The stores that have gotten "in trouble" over the matter have had trouble
_because_ of 'defects' in the posted notice. e.g. 'not sufficiently visible'.

Al wrote:
They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics and
Walmart.


Al

show us a statute to support your statement.

Dave

Al wrote:

All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy). I have had this done at walmart as well. Not arguing with you
about the legalities but I know what they do around the Portland Metro area.
As far as detaining you, store security can detain you and they are no more
then citizens. Don't know where you live but I would have agreed with you
years ago when I was a security guard but so many laws have changed in the
past 25 to 30 years. I know what I see and what the police have told me
about being able to detain people for probable cause. By denying them the
access to the bag/cart you give them probable cause to suspect even if your
standing on your rightfully so lorrals. This is so far off wood working I
am going back into my shop and build a tool box. Have a good day and I hope
if you run into what we talked about you are correct and the law enforcement
officers lied to me. Back to wood working topics for me.

Al


so you are backing away from your earlier assertion??

Dave

Fly-by-Night CC wrote:

In article et,
"Al" wrote:


All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy).


Hey, I bean there! And I've always meekly opened my bag and handed them
the receipt to compare...

Next time I might try to just keep walking and when they stop me, in a
loud voice I'll ask, "Are you saying you think I stole something from
your store?!"

In all likelyhood, the kid'll stammer out a "no" and I'll thank them and
again head out to my truck...
Rephrase your statement to "Are you ACCUSING me of stealing something
from your store?". Do this with witnesses in the immediate area...

Dave

John Emmons :
Once I pay for something, I own the
property. No one has the legal right to search my belongings without
reasonable suspicion that I've done something illegal. If the police can't
do it, I doubt very seriously that a drone working for WalMart or Home
Depot
can.

Robert Bonomi :
You are, quite simply, wrong. There is *lots* of case-law on that point.

John Emmons :
When I say that they "can't" obviously if they're willing to make it into
a
physical confrontation they can, but not legally and certainly not without
my sueing them and winning and possibly filing criminal charges against
them
for battery.

Robert Bonomi :
"one thousand percent" wrong.

John Emmons :
Stores and their employee's don't enjoy any more legal rights to search or
detain citizens than any other business.

Robert Bonomi :
*IF* they have notice prominently posted where you see it upon _entry_ to
the
store, they _do_ have the *legal*right* to do so.

They have made it a condition of entry onto the premises -- their
_private_
_property_ -- and you have *agreed* to that condition by entering the
premises.

The stores that have gotten "in trouble" over the matter have had trouble
_because_ of 'defects' in the posted notice. e.g. 'not sufficiently
visible'.

What case law? I have not seen one sign, anywhere, that advises me that the
store may detain and inspect my property upon completion of the sale and
prior to my exiting the premises. Fry's, Home Depot, Best Buy and Costco
all have lemmings lined up to have their stuff pawed over by a snot nosed
teenager or some menacing guard. Me, I just say excuse me and walk out the
door.

Dave

wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 08:37:32 -0700, David wrote:


Rephrase your statement to "Are you ACCUSING me of stealing something

from your store?". Do this with witnesses in the immediate area...

Dave

Costco and Sams frame the request in a light that they are making sure
they didn't charge you for something you didn't get.
They also check everyone's basket, not just spot checks. Therefore, I
don't feel singled out at Costco. Besides, the prices are so good, I'm
not gonna complain about them checking baskets at the exit...

dave

On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:14:30 GMT, "Al" wrote:

They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics and
Walmart.

They can ask, they cannot demand, unless it's something local to
Oregon. Likewise, if you set off their stupid door alarms, you are
not obligated to stop. It is not a sufficient legal reason to detain
you because some clueless checker didn't deactivate the alarm.

The only exception to this are membership stores where you have to be
a member in good standing with a membership card to enter the store.
There, you've signed an agreement to let them do it as a part of your
membership and if you refuse, they have the right to revoke your
membership.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:37:24 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

Reasonable suspicion is the sirens going off from the magnetic strip on some
packages. First time it happened, I did stop, but raised hell with the
manager because of the incompetence of the cashier that did not deactivate
it.

Nope, that's not even reasonable suspicion. Their security team has
to have proof that you stole something (ie. you on video doing it).
The alarms at the doors are largely a deterrent, not a way to catch
people. You have zero obligation to stop.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 03:47:22 GMT, "Al" wrote:

All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy). I have had this done at walmart as well. Not arguing with you
about the legalities but I know what they do around the Portland Metro area.
As far as detaining you, store security can detain you and they are no more
then citizens. Don't know where you live but I would have agreed with you
years ago when I was a security guard but so many laws have changed in the
past 25 to 30 years. I know what I see and what the police have told me
about being able to detain people for probable cause. By denying them the
access to the bag/cart you give them probable cause to suspect even if your
standing on your rightfully so lorrals. This is so far off wood working I
am going back into my shop and build a tool box. Have a good day and I hope
if you run into what we talked about you are correct and the law enforcement
officers lied to me. Back to wood working topics for me.

Nope, I walk through Fry's without the receipt check too. They ask to
see my receipt, I say no and keep on walking. Stores like Fry's and
Wal-Mart rely on the fact that most people are sheep and will
mindlessly do whatever someone in a supposed position of authority
tells them to do.

They can no more demand to see your receipt than you can to see the
contents of their pockets. Probable cause requires a lot more than
exercising your legal rights.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:21:34 GMT, Brian Henderson
wrote:

On Thu, 11 May 2006 03:47:22 GMT, "Al" wrote:

All I can say is go to Frys and see, They always check to make sure whats
in the bag is what you purchased they then mark the receipt with a marker
showing that it was checked (Wilsonville Oregon call and ask about thier
policy). I have had this done at walmart as well. Not arguing with you
about the legalities but I know what they do around the Portland Metro area.
As far as detaining you, store security can detain you and they are no more
then citizens. Don't know where you live but I would have agreed with you
years ago when I was a security guard but so many laws have changed in the
past 25 to 30 years. I know what I see and what the police have told me
about being able to detain people for probable cause. By denying them the
access to the bag/cart you give them probable cause to suspect even if your
standing on your rightfully so lorrals. This is so far off wood working I
am going back into my shop and build a tool box. Have a good day and I hope
if you run into what we talked about you are correct and the law enforcement
officers lied to me. Back to wood working topics for me.

Nope, I walk through Fry's without the receipt check too. They ask to
see my receipt, I say no and keep on walking. Stores like Fry's and
Wal-Mart rely on the fact that most people are sheep and will
mindlessly do whatever someone in a supposed position of authority
tells them to do.

They can no more demand to see your receipt than you can to see the
contents of their pockets. Probable cause requires a lot more than
exercising your legal rights.


this may be true, BUT, chances are if you take something back and
there is no mark on it from the door checker, they're not likely to
allow you to return the material.

Here lately, WalMart has really backed off in our area, they just like
to check the carts that are carrying oversized items that are not
bagged.

personally, i stop, not because i am a sheeple, more to the fact that
stealing affects all of us in the long run.

In article , David
wrote:

They also check everyone's basket, not just spot checks. Therefore, I
don't feel singled out at Costco. Besides, the prices are so good, I'm
not gonna complain about them checking baskets at the exit...

Walmart here in S'toon only checks items that aren't bagged, ie larger
items in the cart. If the checker is right there, I don't mind the 2.5
seconds it takes to smile, say hello, and show her the receipt that has
the item highlighted by the checkout clerk, but if she's busy checking
someone else I just walk out the door (I'm certainly not going to queue
for them) and have never been chased after.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

Reasonable suspicion is the sirens going off from the magnetic strip on
some
packages. First time it happened, I did stop, but raised hell with the
manager because of the incompetence of the cashier that did not deactivate
it.

Another time, the cashier was not able to get to it on a large item so she
said she'd just wave me on at the door. What she did not know was the
device came of easily and I stuck it on the bottom of the cart for the
next user.

Those things are great, you here them all the time at Home Depot and Lowe's
"Beep Pardon us but we failed to remove the inventory control tag"
Of course the inventory control is done by scanning the bar code, but
anti-theft sounds more negative than inventory control.
When I was in college a guy in my class used to spend many an evening in
Best Buy peeling those tags off of merchandise and carefully placing them
stick side up on the floor where they would be stepped on and get stuck to
someone's shoe so they would set off the alarm when they tried to exit the
building.

Really?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...ml#amendmentiv

I believe that something I own is covered under "effects".

On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:14:30 GMT, "Al" wrote:

They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics and
Walmart.


Al


"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee that
I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.

Why do certain people make a big issue out of something. If your that
concerned about it, go back and tell them. Everybody has something to go on
and on about, and it just makes no sense.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 May 2006 22:34:50 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

Still no assistance from the droids was forthcomming.
Finally, in desperation, I just dropped the bolts into my bag, which
immediately generated a message that the weight of my bag didn't match
what
I had scanned, and that I should remove the extra items from the bag.
Find something in your bag that weighs about the same, roughly the
same price (if you are honest) and scan it again. That works with a
bag full of stuff but only a couple items can be a problem

nanook wrote:


this may be true, BUT, chances are if you take something back and
there is no mark on it from the door checker, they're not likely to
allow you to return the material.


BS

Eugene Nine wrote:

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:


Reasonable suspicion is the sirens going off from the magnetic strip on
some
packages. First time it happened, I did stop, but raised hell with the
manager because of the incompetence of the cashier that did not deactivate
it.

Another time, the cashier was not able to get to it on a large item so she
said she'd just wave me on at the door. What she did not know was the
device came of easily and I stuck it on the bottom of the cart for the
next user.


Those things are great, you here them all the time at Home Depot and Lowe's
"Beep Pardon us but we failed to remove the inventory control tag"
Of course the inventory control is done by scanning the bar code, but
anti-theft sounds more negative than inventory control.
When I was in college a guy in my class used to spend many an evening in
Best Buy peeling those tags off of merchandise and carefully placing them
stick side up on the floor where they would be stepped on and get stuck to
someone's shoe so they would set off the alarm when they tried to exit the
building.
I got a wallet for Christmas a couple years back that set off the alarms
at EVERY store I entered and exited. I looked through the wallet for a
tag and failed to find it until I got really creative in my search. It
was WELL hidden and very tiny. Now I have peace and quiet as I go
through the entrances.

Dave

How many times has letting them look through your things stopped you from
stealing? Can't you stop on your own?


"nanook" wrote in message
...
personally, i stop, not because i am a sheeple, more to the fact that
stealing affects all of us in the long run.

On Thu, 11 May 2006 17:25:48 -0500, George Shouse
wrote:

Really?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...ml#amendmentiv

I believe that something I own is covered under "effects".


Since you top-posted a post that had been responded to in proper
chronological order, we have no clue as to whether you are agreeing with
the first post or the second. ... and frankly, I'm not interested in
having to wade through some legal link to find out.


On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:14:30 GMT, "Al" wrote:

They can legaly check your bags/carts from the store and verify your receipt
at least in Oregon. Never had HD or Lowes do it mostly Frys Electronics and
Walmart.


Al


"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:32:54 GMT, "John Emmons"
wrote:

One other time I called and asked the manager on-duty why she had someone
who was basically incompetent stopping every customer at the door and
demanding to see their reciepts, told her as I had told the employee that
I
thought I had stolen something to call the police.

I refuse to stop and have my belongings gone thru by drones.

You have absolutely no legal obligation to do so and shouldn't. Once
you purchase something and they take your payment, you own the item
and have no obligation whatsoever to show it to anyone, any more than
you can demand the drone empty their pockets for you.

I've had some of them being very insistant, but I ignore them. It's
funny to see some of them running out into the parking lot after me
yelling "I have to see your receipt".

No you don't. You *WANT* to see it, you don't have to.

Wal-mart has gotten sued over this and has lost every time. They have
no right whatsoever to demand to see anything. They can ask, you can
decline. They cannot stop you and frankly, I'd love to see one of
them try, my lawyer wouldn't mind picking up some free and easy money
for me.



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