Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and cardboardy in
the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything plasticky (even food wraps)
in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food waste, including meat, in the garden
bin - I discover the joys of Rother Council:

Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles but not many
cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but no jar
lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic windows
of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a fortnightly
collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good), but the
same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that being?...) and no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.

Problem solved...

[1] This will be remembered at the next local elections and used to beat
candidates over the head with...

I'll get rid of the paper bin and garden bins next. Poor paper bin only has
2 envelopes in the bottom. And I'll have composting up and running soon so
that will take a lot of kitchen waste... Cardboard will probably be kept as
fire lighting material.


--
Tim Watts

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Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.


I climb a nearby wall, open the bin and carefully jump up and down on
the things what's inside. They haven't tipped me into the collection
dust cart just yet :-)

--
Adrian C

On 13 Nov, 12:42, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.

I've got both, but I've also got 25 quid and no spare time. Looks like
a good gadget and a sensible price.

On 13 Nov, 12:42, Tim W wrote:
Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and cardboardy in
the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything plasticky (even food wraps)
in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food waste, including meat, in the garden
bin - I discover the joys of Rother Council:

Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles but not many
cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but no jar
lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic windows
of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a fortnightly
collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good), but the
same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that being?...) and no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.

Problem solved...

hmm, just beware of compacting it too vigorously or it won't fall out
when the bin is inverted. My council even has an FAQ about this:
http://www.woking.gov.uk/environment..._fully_emptied

"Tim W" wrote in message
...
Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and cardboardy in
the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything plasticky (even food wraps)
in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food waste, including meat, in the garden
bin - I discover the joys of Rother Council:

Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles but not many
cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but no jar
lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic windows
of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a fortnightly
collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good), but the
same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that being?...) and
no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without
a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so
simple
and elegant.

Problem solved...

[1] This will be remembered at the next local elections and used to beat
candidates over the head with...

I'll get rid of the paper bin and garden bins next. Poor paper bin only
has
2 envelopes in the bottom. And I'll have composting up and running soon so
that will take a lot of kitchen waste... Cardboard will probably be kept
as
fire lighting material.


--
Tim Watts


The recycle bins are a nightmare.

We get

Grey - general rubbish
Brown - Glass, aluminium and steel
Blue - Paper (newspapers fine but no telephone directories)
Green - Grass/hedge cuttings etc and cardboard. But no cardboard that has
had contact with food and no shiney cardboard and only thin cardboard.

However I frequently work in at least 6 other different council areas and
they all have different ideas as to what can go in their different coloured
bins.

When a friend had the wheelie bin police stick a note through his letterbox
saying the cardboard he had put in his green bin was too thick he asked the
council to redo the note on a piece of cardboard that was the maximum
thickness allowed. No response yet from the council.

Adam

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and
got one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

And the order site needs Flash, and the Contact Us form doesn't appear to
work....



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Our council has a new twist this week...

We put garden waste in a green bin, and landfill waste in a grey bin.

Recycling goes in a clear plastic bag. We get 17 of these every three
months. More can be obtained from the council offices, free.

My understanding is that it's the *ratio* of recyclables that matters to
the council, so the more recycling the better (as well as less landfill
and tax, of course).

So the latest money saving idea is to charge £2 for each extra roll of
recycling bags...they actually want us to pay to help them...!

The law of unintended consequences kicks in....

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:


Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:


Write to the local paper expressing disatisfaction with the council's
recycling policy.
If you can stand looking grumpy by a wheely bin long enough for them
to take a picture they'll put you in.

(email the letters page so it doesn't even cost you a stamp)




[1] This will be remembered at the next local elections and used to beat
candidates over the head with...

I'll get rid of the paper bin and garden bins next. Poor paper bin only has
2 envelopes in the bottom. And I'll have composting up and running soon so
that will take a lot of kitchen waste... Cardboard will probably be kept as
fire lighting material.
--
http://www.Christmasfreebies.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:
Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and cardboardy in
the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything plasticky (even food wraps)
in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food waste, including meat, in the garden
bin - I discover the joys of Rother Council:

Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles but not many
cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but no jar
lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic windows
of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a fortnightly
collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good), but the
same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that being?...) and no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.

Yes it *looks* like a good idea (though I don't believe the marketing
"advantages" it claims: stop small animals foraging? nah, they can't jump
that high - or open the lid). However, it does look as it puts a lot of strain
on the pivot point: the two plastic handles used to up-end the bin.

I can't understand why we have to have individual wheelie bins ... we've now
got three like I suspect the majority of the population and also a nice
little one for the kitchen where we can put our food scraps and then empty
them into the brown garden trimmings and food waste bin.

In Spain, for instance, at the top and bottom of each street (and the middle
if the street is fairly long) there are conveniently sited 1000 litre (or
so) wheelie bins. A green one for general rubbish and a yellow one for
cans, plastics, milk cartons, etc. About every other street there's a paper
bin and glass bin. The general rubbish bin is empty daily and the yellow one
weekly ... the paper and glass about fortnightly. If you have anything which
someone else may be able to use like a broken chair, TV, car battery etc
just leave it next to the bin and it'll be gone within a few minutes by a
grateful passing Spaniard/Moroccan.

The bins are cleaned regularly and even washed! All without the need for
messy individual wheelie bins ... so why do we have such a polluting and
unsightly system? Trying to negotiate the footpaths around our house on
wheelie bin day here is a nightmare ... especially after they have emptied
the bins and then leave them stewn all over the footpath without regard for
pedestrians.

Ash

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:19:29 +0000, pete wrote:

Yes it *looks* like a good idea (though I don't believe the marketing
"advantages" it claims: stop small animals foraging? nah, they can't
jump that high - or open the lid).

The argument is that you can get all the bags in the bin instead of
leaving the excess ones on the floor where animals can get at them. Since
many councils won't take bags not in the bin, that's a moot point.

--
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http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:22:23 -0000, "Ash" wrote:

I can't understand why we have to have individual wheelie bins ... we've now
got three like I suspect the majority of the population and also a nice
little one for the kitchen where we can put our food scraps and then empty
them into the brown garden trimmings and food waste bin.

In Spain, for instance, at the top and bottom of each street (and the middle

You mean like in caravan parks?

if the street is fairly long) there are conveniently sited 1000 litre (or
so) wheelie bins. A green one for general rubbish and a yellow one for
cans, plastics, milk cartons, etc. About every other street there's a paper
bin and glass bin. The general rubbish bin is empty daily and the yellow one
weekly ... the paper and glass about fortnightly. If you have anything which
someone else may be able to use like a broken chair, TV, car battery etc
just leave it next to the bin and it'll be gone within a few minutes by a
grateful passing Spaniard/Moroccan.

The bins are cleaned regularly and even washed! All without the need for
messy individual wheelie bins ... so why do we have such a polluting and
unsightly system? Trying to negotiate the footpaths around our house on
wheelie bin day here is a nightmare ... especially after they have emptied
the bins and then leave them stewn all over the footpath without regard for
pedestrians.

Ash

--
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http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

Bob Eager
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:05

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and
got one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

And the order site needs Flash, and the Contact Us form doesn't appear to
work....




I actually bought mine he

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/tra...or-p-7274.html

They went to the trouble to confirm it would work on a 180l narrow bin
(destructions claim 140l is also OK) and it arrived 2 days later - so they
deserve a plug

--
Tim Watts

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Suggested that you store in hung on the back of your bin. I bet it
will grow legs and walk faster than the biodegradeable rubbish in the
bin...

We have a fairly sensible council weekly collection for the blue bag
of general waste, alternate weeks for the green box of paper, metal
and glass or green wheelie bin of garden waste. Food waste goes on
our compost heap.

I do wish they took plastics on their collection and cardboard but as
the weekly supermarket has facilties for those it's no great hardship
or cost to take them there.

--
Cheers
Dave.

pete
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:19


Yes it *looks* like a good idea (though I don't believe the marketing
"advantages" it claims: stop small animals foraging? nah, they can't jump
that high - or open the lid).

Yes - that's marketing ********. Although it does stop the fox raking the
bones out of the bags to the side of the bin that I hd yesterday, now
happily squished in.

However, it does look as it puts a lot of
strain on the pivot point: the two plastic handles used to up-end the bin.

It's not too bad actually. It's only a 2x mechanical advantage and those
pivots are pretty solid.

I was contemplating all sorts of things like a 3x3" timber frame round the
bin and bottle jack+plate[1] between the frame and the rubbish. In the end
I thought I'd google on the basis that someone must make something...

[1] The problem is that the compressive force needed to squish some air out
of a few bits of loose rubbish isn't very high but the stroke distance is,
which is the opposite to what a bottle jack is optimised for.

--
Tim Watts

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Ash
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:22

I can't understand why we have to have individual wheelie bins ... we've
now got three like I suspect the majority of the population and also a
nice little one for the kitchen where we can put our food scraps and then
empty them into the brown garden trimmings and food waste bin.

In Spain, for instance, at the top and bottom of each street (and the
middle if the street is fairly long) there are conveniently sited 1000
litre (or
so) wheelie bins. A green one for general rubbish and a yellow one for
cans, plastics, milk cartons, etc. About every other street there's a
paper bin and glass bin. The general rubbish bin is empty daily and the
yellow one weekly ... the paper and glass about fortnightly. If you have
anything which someone else may be able to use like a broken chair, TV,
car battery etc just leave it next to the bin and it'll be gone within a
few minutes by a grateful passing Spaniard/Moroccan.

The bins are cleaned regularly and even washed! All without the need for
messy individual wheelie bins ... so why do we have such a polluting and
unsightly system? Trying to negotiate the footpaths around our house on
wheelie bin day here is a nightmare ... especially after they have emptied
the bins and then leave them stewn all over the footpath without regard
for pedestrians.

Ah yes. Two problems:

a) It's far too sensible for any idiot local politician here;

b) They won't be able to tax you by weight[1] down the line when they chip
the bin.

[2] I don't have much of a problem with this approach. At the end of the
day, I live, I consume, I recycle and whats left has to go somewhere. I
want the last bit to be as painless as possible... I'm happy to pay my fair
share.

--
Tim Watts

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mogga
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:14

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:


Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:


Write to the local paper expressing disatisfaction with the council's
recycling policy.
If you can stand looking grumpy by a wheely bin long enough for them
to take a picture they'll put you in.

(email the letters page so it doesn't even cost you a stamp)


I could sign it "Disgusted, formerly of Tunbridge Wells" ;-

In theory I have the bin inspector coming round sometime to see if I qualify
for a 240l bin and to see if I have recycled everything that's possible to
do so round here (and taking soggy cardboard to a dump 3 miles away isn't
an option in my book).


--
Tim Watts

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pcb1962
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 12:55

hmm, just beware of compacting it too vigorously or it won't fall out
when the bin is inverted. My council even has an FAQ about this:

http://www.woking.gov.uk/environment..._fully_emptied

Yes. The Trash Basher company claim this isn;t a problem - but I'll watch
the dustmen next Monday and see how it goes. Wheely bins are quite good at
not getting stuck due to being tapered.
--
Tim Watts

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Bob Eager
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:08

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Our council has a new twist this week...

We put garden waste in a green bin, and landfill waste in a grey bin.

Recycling goes in a clear plastic bag. We get 17 of these every three
months. More can be obtained from the council offices, free.

My understanding is that it's the *ratio* of recyclables that matters to
the council, so the more recycling the better (as well as less landfill
and tax, of course).

So the latest money saving idea is to charge £2 for each extra roll of
recycling bags...they actually want us to pay to help them...!

The law of unintended consequences kicks in....


Genius...

--
Tim Watts

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Adrian C
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 12:50


I climb a nearby wall, open the bin and carefully jump up and down on
the things what's inside. They haven't tipped me into the collection
dust cart just yet :-)


I've done that before, but I don't fancy it in the rain and the bin is a bit
narrower than normal so more chance of falling over/off.

--
Tim Watts

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Dave Liquorice
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 14:25

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Suggested that you store in hung on the back of your bin. I bet it
will grow legs and walk faster than the biodegradeable rubbish in the
bin...

Yes. Or the council will notice too many in use and start to devise a
devious plan to negate their use (smaller bins and a free compactor for
everyone?)

We have a fairly sensible council weekly collection for the blue bag
of general waste, alternate weeks for the green box of paper, metal
and glass or green wheelie bin of garden waste. Food waste goes on
our compost heap.

Yes, for those of us who are lucky to have a garden the compost heap does
take a decent amount of what falls out of a kitchen (assuming you don;t
live of micromeals).

I do wish they took plastics on their collection and cardboard but as
the weekly supermarket has facilties for those it's no great hardship
or cost to take them there.


We don't really have a local supermarket - I buy online from Sainsburys once
per week - don't think the bloke will like being offered my cardboard ;-
--
Tim Watts

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In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

We have a fairly sensible council weekly collection for the blue bag
of general waste, alternate weeks for the green box of paper, metal
and glass or green wheelie bin of garden waste. Food waste goes on
our compost heap.


We have two-weekly collections, but I've never found the volume of
rubbish an issue.

black bin for general rubbish, but never seems to get anywhere near
full unless we have been having a bit of a clear out of somewhere.

blue bin for recyclables, I can sometimes fill this up, usually if there
is lots of cardboard. but they will take extra stuff as well as long as
sensibly put out say all in another box or somesuch. Or soem cardboard
goes on the compost.

Green bin for organic waste. Will take all sorts of food kitchen waste
including meat, bones etc. And shredded paper. But mostly we compost our
stuff.


I do wish they took plastics on their collection and cardboard but as
the weekly supermarket has facilties for those it's no great hardship
or cost to take them there.

Glass goes to the bottle bank, other than that the mosty obvious thing
missing from recycling is the rigid plastic used for trays, pots etc.
no. 5 -polyproplene?

--
Chris French

On 13 Nov, 14:02, Tim W wrote:

I actually bought mine he

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/tra...ompactor-p-727...

With the money you save, you can also get one of these
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/whe...er-p-8077.html

Stuff the compactor, I've got big boots that will do that well enough,
but I would love that pedal-operated lid add-on

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:37:02 +0000, Tim W wrote:

mogga
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:14

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:


Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:


Write to the local paper expressing disatisfaction with the council's
recycling policy.
If you can stand looking grumpy by a wheely bin long enough for them
to take a picture they'll put you in.

(email the letters page so it doesn't even cost you a stamp)


I could sign it "Disgusted, formerly of Tunbridge Wells" ;-

Works for me. You'll be surprised how many times you can get
published... My local free paper gives vouchers for a local pub for
letter of the week. Well worth an email!


In theory I have the bin inspector coming round sometime to see if I qualify
for a 240l bin and to see if I have recycled everything that's possible to
do so round here (and taking soggy cardboard to a dump 3 miles away isn't
an option in my book).

No and it shouldn't be a huge issue for them to pull their finger out
and recycle more.

--
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http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:46:45 +0000, chris French
wrote:

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

We have a fairly sensible council weekly collection for the blue bag
of general waste, alternate weeks for the green box of paper, metal
and glass or green wheelie bin of garden waste. Food waste goes on
our compost heap.


We have two-weekly collections, but I've never found the volume of
rubbish an issue.

black bin for general rubbish, but never seems to get anywhere near
full unless we have been having a bit of a clear out of somewhere.


A couple of families on our street have several black bins (one
actually has two big ones and then a little one... and they go out
every fortnight. )
I don't know how they do it.


blue bin for recyclables, I can sometimes fill this up, usually if there
is lots of cardboard. but they will take extra stuff as well as long as
sensibly put out say all in another box or somesuch. Or soem cardboard
goes on the compost.

Green bin for organic waste. Will take all sorts of food kitchen waste
including meat, bones etc. And shredded paper. But mostly we compost our
stuff.


I do wish they took plastics on their collection and cardboard but as
the weekly supermarket has facilties for those it's no great hardship
or cost to take them there.

Glass goes to the bottle bank, other than that the mosty obvious thing
missing from recycling is the rigid plastic used for trays, pots etc.
no. 5 -polyproplene?
--
http://www.Christmasfreebies.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:41:53 +0000, mogga wrote:

A couple of families on our street have several black bins (one
actually has two big ones and then a little one... and they go out
every fortnight. ) I don't know how they do it.

I guess they chuck everything into the bags and don't bother
squishing or collapsing stuff first. All our tins fit inside a 1kg
spread tub, if they wern't squished they'd take up half of the green
box...

Our general waste blue bag is rarely more than 1/4 full after a week.
Sometimes don't bother putting it out.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000
Tim W wrote:

Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Commiserations. I have to say that Allerdale (Cumbria) where I live
are absolutely fabulous about bins. (They have their crap points too of
course.)

Three Bins:

Big Green one for Compostable Garden stuff. I put small trees in it.
Small Green one for any paper or card. SWMBO has a Fairtade stall at
church, lotsa cardboard.
Small Black one for Landfill stuff.

Collection: black every week, green bins alternate.

They also run the most fantastic modern recycling centre I have ever
seen at Flusco, near Penrith. With helpful friendly staff who fall over
themselves to help you get it right, and muscle things out of the car.
If you are in the Lakes on holiday, it's almost worth a visit!

We find it hard (two people) to put more than one swing-bin liner in the
black bin - mostly it's over-packaged food containers that can't be
cleaned for recycling (and dead CLS bulbs - no only kidding). We do
collect all the cans, glass and plastics to take to Flusco when we are
passing anyway - it's a joy to visit it with a car load. And the
council gave us a plastic composter for the garden, so all the waste
green food goes in there as well as some grass cuttings.

I kept filling the Garden bin, so I rang the council, who's
response was 'OK, we'll send you a second one' - two days later it
arrived.

Guys, move to Allerdale! Or at least send your councillors here for
some education.

R.

chris French
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 15:46

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

We have a fairly sensible council weekly collection for the blue bag
of general waste, alternate weeks for the green box of paper, metal
and glass or green wheelie bin of garden waste. Food waste goes on
our compost heap.


We have two-weekly collections, but I've never found the volume of
rubbish an issue.

black bin for general rubbish, but never seems to get anywhere near
full unless we have been having a bit of a clear out of somewhere.

blue bin for recyclables, I can sometimes fill this up, usually if there
is lots of cardboard. but they will take extra stuff as well as long as
sensibly put out say all in another box or somesuch. Or soem cardboard
goes on the compost.

Green bin for organic waste. Will take all sorts of food kitchen waste
including meat, bones etc. And shredded paper. But mostly we compost our
stuff.


Do you live in Harrow? I saw that blue bin system there - seemed like a
brilliant idea.

--
Tim Watts

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"Tim W" wrote in message
...
Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and cardboardy in
the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything plasticky (even food wraps)
in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food waste, including meat, in the garden
bin - I discover the joys of Rother Council:

Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles but not many
cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but no jar
lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic windows
of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a fortnightly
collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good), but the
same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that being?...) and
no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up and got
one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without
a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so
simple
and elegant.

Problem solved...

[1] This will be remembered at the next local elections and used to beat
candidates over the head with...

I'll get rid of the paper bin and garden bins next. Poor paper bin only
has
2 envelopes in the bottom. And I'll have composting up and running soon so
that will take a lot of kitchen waste... Cardboard will probably be kept
as
fire lighting material.


Our lot (Dartford) have 3 bins.
Green....General crap.
Grey.... Paper, Card, tins, etc etc
Black (Smallest at 20l !) Bottles and NO tin lids.

Green.....Refuse truck.
Grey and black in same "Enviro" truck.

Black. Either truck depends who's there first and the lazy ******s chuck it
onto my garden resulting in damage to plants.
Compensation from the subbys is a monthly claim, and they pay FFS !

*ALL* garden and kitchen waste goes on the compost for next years garden
additions

TheOldFellow
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 18:36

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000
Tim W wrote:

Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Commiserations. I have to say that Allerdale (Cumbria) where I live
are absolutely fabulous about bins. (They have their crap points too of
course.)

To be fair, Rother have very helpful Council Tax dept (despite the fact they
want too much money for too little service!) and the BCO is really nice.
Tunbridge Wells have fairly good refuse services but are crapheads in
*many* other respects, especially with respect to slapping car parking
charges everywhere and anytime.

Three Bins:

Big Green one for Compostable Garden stuff. I put small trees in it.
Small Green one for any paper or card. SWMBO has a Fairtade stall at
church, lotsa cardboard.
Small Black one for Landfill stuff.

Collection: black every week, green bins alternate.

They also run the most fantastic modern recycling centre I have ever
seen at Flusco, near Penrith. With helpful friendly staff who fall over
themselves to help you get it right, and muscle things out of the car.
If you are in the Lakes on holiday, it's almost worth a visit!

Our local dump has the most helpful staff in the world, for a tiny site.
It's only the household pickup service that's ****e. At least they also
intercept and re-sell small furniture and interesting niknaks, which T
Wells never did. They have quite a side stall of interesting stuff.

We find it hard (two people) to put more than one swing-bin liner in the
black bin - mostly it's over-packaged food containers that can't be
cleaned for recycling (and dead CLS bulbs - no only kidding). We do
collect all the cans, glass and plastics to take to Flusco when we are
passing anyway - it's a joy to visit it with a car load. And the
council gave us a plastic composter for the garden, so all the waste
green food goes in there as well as some grass cuttings.

Car load is a problem - I don't (yet) have the dry storage for building up a
car load of recycling, and after the abuse the car has had with building
and moving, I don't want to hurt it anymore with wet muddy crates of
stuff...

I kept filling the Garden bin, so I rang the council, who's
response was 'OK, we'll send you a second one' - two days later it
arrived.

Yeah - I love running compost heaps. And the garden loves it too...

Guys, move to Allerdale! Or at least send your councillors here for
some education.

You'd better get the cattle prods ready for our lot.

--
Tim Watts

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In message , Tim W
writes
chris French
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 15:46


We have two-weekly collections, but I've never found the volume of
rubbish an issue.

black bin for general rubbish, but never seems to get anywhere near
full unless we have been having a bit of a clear out of somewhere.

blue bin for recyclables, I can sometimes fill this up, usually if there
is lots of cardboard. but they will take extra stuff as well as long as
sensibly put out say all in another box or somesuch. Or soem cardboard
goes on the compost.

Do you live in Harrow? I saw that blue bin system there - seemed like a
brilliant idea.

No, Huntingdonshire.
--
Chris French

Tim W wrote:
Bob Eager
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 13:05

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:42:42 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up
and got one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

And the order site needs Flash, and the Contact Us form doesn't
appear to work....




I actually bought mine he

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/tra...or-p-7274.html

They went to the trouble to confirm it would work on a 180l narrow bin
(destructions claim 140l is also OK) and it arrived 2 days later - so
they deserve a plug

Good company. Guess who the Kent area installer for their patio awnings is
:-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

R wrote:
"Tim W" wrote in message
...
Ah - the joys of crap councils...

Having been used to a council that takes anything papery and
cardboardy in the paper bin (even food wrappings), anything
plasticky (even food wraps) in the plastic bin (+ cans) and food
waste, including meat, in the garden bin - I discover the joys of
Rother Council: Little bin 1: Types 1,2 + 3 plastics (most drinks bottles
but not
many cartons, eg yoghurt which are mostly Type 6 for me) + cans (but
no jar lids)

Little bin 2: white paper. Literally. No card and even the plastic
windows of envelopes must be removed.

Garden bin: no peelings (WTF?!), definitely no food waste.

And to boot, the random bin is only 180l instead of 240l for a
fortnightly collection.

No local drops for cardboard. Station car park takes glass (good),
but the same paper and plastics as my own bins (the point of that
being?...) and no
cardboard...

Rather than fight such pathetic uselessness head on[1], I gave up
and got one of these:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

(No connection etc, can be got cheaper at many places).

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but
without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so
simple
and elegant.

Problem solved...

[1] This will be remembered at the next local elections and used to
beat candidates over the head with...

I'll get rid of the paper bin and garden bins next. Poor paper bin
only has
2 envelopes in the bottom. And I'll have composting up and running
soon so that will take a lot of kitchen waste... Cardboard will
probably be kept as
fire lighting material.


Our lot (Dartford) have 3 bins.
Green....General crap.
Grey.... Paper, Card, tins, etc etc
Black (Smallest at 20l !) Bottles and NO tin lids.

Just next door in Medway we have black sacks for general rubbish, collected
weekly, blue sacks for recycling tins, cardboard, bottles etc, collected
fortnightly & 1 brown bin for garden waste, collected alternate fortnights.

Green.....Refuse truck.
Grey and black in same "Enviro" truck.

Black sacks - refuse truck, blue sacks & brown bin, same truck, different
weeks.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Owain
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 21:35

On 13 Nov, 14:02, Tim W wrote:
I actually bought mine he
They went to the trouble to confirm it would work on a 180l narrow bin
(destructions claim 140l is also OK) and it arrived 2 days later - so
they deserve a plug

They also sell this:

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/the...?cPath=309_698

"You only need one unit to cover the whole circuit in your home as
soon as you plug it in. The Energy Reducer give an average saving of 3
to 4kwh per day, based on electrical consumption of 30kwh per day.
. The Energy Reducer can improve the safety of your electrical
equipment in your home. By reducing the overheating of electrical
wiring and decreasing the amount of wiring and copper loss, it helps
make your home a safer place to be.
The Energy Reducer works by combining correction and filtration
methods. It enhances the voltage and current output, which in turn
reduces the total current extracted from the mains."

Owain

It seems to be karma at work. They have to have some ******** to balance the
goodness? Sort of like how the british railways balances the karma of the
swiss railways.

--
Tim Watts

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:39:45 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Adrian C
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 12:50


I climb a nearby wall, open the bin and carefully jump up and down on
the things what's inside. They haven't tipped me into the collection
dust cart just yet :-)


I've done that before, but I don't fancy it in the rain and the bin is a bit
narrower than normal so more chance of falling over/off.

I remember reading a newspaper story a year or two ago about a guy who died
after falling while jumping on the rubbish in his wheely bin.

SteveW

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:51:08 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley wrote:

On 13 Nov, 12:42, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so simple
and elegant.

I've got both, but I've also got 25 quid and no spare time. Looks like
a good gadget and a sensible price.

Fifteen quid at Maplin.

SteveW

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:51:08 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley wrote:

On 13 Nov, 12:42, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but
without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so
simple
and elegant.

I've got both, but I've also got 25 quid and no spare time. Looks like
a good gadget and a sensible price.

Fifteen quid at Maplin.



£12.50 at this previously mentioned site.
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/tra...or-p-7274.html


mark

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:35:40 -0800 (PST), Owain wrote:

They also sell this:
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/the...er-p-2211.html

"You only need one unit to cover the whole circuit in your home as
soon as you plug it in. The Energy Reducer give an average saving of 3
to 4kwh per day, based on electrical consumption of 30kwh per day.

30kWhr/day thats going some for an ordinary household... We are about
20kWHr/day with people home all day and cook by 'lectric. I guess if
you have E7 and/or heat bulk water by electric you could get to that.

I'm sorely tempted to get one for fun and as I have a Current Cost
power meter and log the data from that I know what our historical
power consumption really is. 10% of 20kWHrs is 2kWHrs that would be
very obvious and a 10% saving would be over £70/year.

If I did get one I'd be *very* surprised to see any change at all.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Steve Walker
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 22:28

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:39:45 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Adrian C
wibbled on Friday 13 November 2009 12:50


I climb a nearby wall, open the bin and carefully jump up and down on
the things what's inside. They haven't tipped me into the collection
dust cart just yet :-)


I've done that before, but I don't fancy it in the rain and the bin is a
bit narrower than normal so more chance of falling over/off.

I remember reading a newspaper story a year or two ago about a guy who
died after falling while jumping on the rubbish in his wheely bin.

SteveW

Maintaining parity with hot coffee and home electrics, maybe they should ban
wheely bins?

--
Tim Watts

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:16 -0000, mark wrote:

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:51:08 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley wrote:

On 13 Nov, 12:42, Tim W wrote:

http://www.trashbasher.co.uk/

Seems to work very well. Being DIY, I should have made my own, but
without a
welder or a heavy tube bender, it would be hard to make something so
simple
and elegant.

I've got both, but I've also got 25 quid and no spare time. Looks like
a good gadget and a sensible price.

Fifteen quid at Maplin.



£12.50 at this previously mentioned site.
http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/tra...or-p-7274.html


mark

Definitely good if you need it mail order, but that's plus delivery and
many people may be able to pick one up at their local Maplin store - for me
it means walking 100m from the supermarket while my wife carries on
shopping

SteveW