On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

1. The vandals would love to wreck them. The arsonists would love to set
fire to them.
2. The collection vehicles come to the location several times a day and
create noise and traffic problems. (the bottles etc. are dropped into the
lorry from about 20 feet. The hydraulics are noisy. The emptying is done
from alongside.)
3. Residents and businesses have to take their sorted rubbish to the bins.
4. Antisocial people will dump other stuff alongside them - the one man
operation cannot deal with this rogue rubbish.
5. The cost of manufacture and servicing them is not "green".
6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


So - make the most of your wheelie bin and live with the collection rotas.
It must be better than what might follow.

In message , John
writes
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

snip

6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


I guess that might depend on where I was living, no I wouldn't want one
outside my house. but we have plenty of space for storing wheelie bins
on the drive.

The row of very small terraced cottages along the road from us have no
rear access, limited internal storage space and just a small area at the
front of the house for storing bins. People living in them might find
such arrnagements more attractive.
--
Chris French

"chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , John
writes
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

snip

6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


I guess that might depend on where I was living, no I wouldn't want one
outside my house. but we have plenty of space for storing wheelie bins on
the drive.

The row of very small terraced cottages along the road from us have no
rear access, limited internal storage space and just a small area at the
front of the house for storing bins. People living in them might find such
arrnagements more attractive.
--
Chris French

What did they do in the olden days of the cylindrical metal or plastic
dustbins? (Pre-Wheelie Bin)

I have noticed in my town that some terraces have started to abandon their
rear access by failing to cut back bushes, etc. The house I once lived in
and was able to ride my Lambretta down an entry and round to the shed is now
inaccessible for this reason. At that time keeping it spotless and tidy was
a matter of pride for the 4 households that were served by the entry. The
blue bricks shone!

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:01:26 +0100, John wrote:
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

1. The vandals would love to wreck them. The arsonists would love to set
fire to them.
2. The collection vehicles come to the location several times a day and
create noise and traffic problems. (the bottles etc. are dropped into the
lorry from about 20 feet. The hydraulics are noisy. The emptying is done
from alongside.)

Only in some parts of Spain - in other parts they don't come for days -
leaving the bins full up and overflowing (esp. the waste paper,
whcih doesn't appear to be economically viable to collect).

3. Residents and businesses have to take their sorted rubbish to the bins.

But people who live in flats in britain have to do this anyway

4. Antisocial people will dump other stuff alongside them - the one man
operation cannot deal with this rogue rubbish.

... and some of them do this, too.

5. The cost of manufacture and servicing them is not "green".
6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?

Yes, in a second - provided I could pay council tax at the spanish rate, about
60 euros a year in a lot of places. Though they do tax other things: f'rinstance
pretty much any DIY or building work needs, strictly speaking, a license
from the town hall, which typically costs 3% of the work's value.

In Portugal I saw them emptying three small bins outside a flat. The three
bins were all connected to the floor, which tipped back, and then the bin
lorry lifted out a huge bin from underground, emptied into the bin, and then
replaced it. Lid closed and they drove off. I was mighty impressed by the
amount of rubbish that was contained in it, with only three small normal
looking street bins!

--
Regards


SantaUK
"John" wrote in message
...
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

1. The vandals would love to wreck them. The arsonists would love to set
fire to them.
2. The collection vehicles come to the location several times a day and
create noise and traffic problems. (the bottles etc. are dropped into the
lorry from about 20 feet. The hydraulics are noisy. The emptying is done
from alongside.)
3. Residents and businesses have to take their sorted rubbish to the bins.
4. Antisocial people will dump other stuff alongside them - the one man
operation cannot deal with this rogue rubbish.
5. The cost of manufacture and servicing them is not "green".
6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


So - make the most of your wheelie bin and live with the collection rotas.
It must be better than what might follow.

In message , John
writes

"chris French" wrote in message
k...
In message , John
writes
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

snip

6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


I guess that might depend on where I was living, no I wouldn't want one
outside my house. but we have plenty of space for storing wheelie bins on
the drive.

The row of very small terraced cottages along the road from us have no
rear access, limited internal storage space and just a small area at the
front of the house for storing bins. People living in them might find such
arrnagements more attractive.
--
Chris French

What did they do in the olden days of the cylindrical metal or plastic
dustbins? (Pre-Wheelie Bin)

Dunno. But I part of the issue is surely that having multiple type of
collections (which I'm in favour of in general) requires multiple bins
etc. Though I think the council here only requires that you have the
black bin (for general waste), you can continue to use the blue box
they used to use for recycled stuff, or just put it in large clear
plastic bags IIRC.

My memories of pre wheelie bins are vague now. By the time I moved to
London in '89 we had them there. I remember not having them in Brighton
in around 85-87 (between those times i lived in flats with large shared
bins. In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the
ribbish out in black bin bags.
--
Chris French

In message , John
writes
snip

So - make the most of your wheelie bin and live with the collection rotas.
It must be better than what might follow.



What's the 'proper' name/technical term for a wheelie bin? Mobile refuse
container, or something like that?
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

John wrote:
"chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , John
writes
On a recent holiday to Spain I noticed that the end of the street bins on
wheels had been replaced with bright new containers for rubbish. They were
colour coded according to what needed to go into them. Certainly they were
an improvement on the old bins that used to wander around a bit and rarely
had the lids closed.

The replacements are summarised he
http://www.nordengineering.com/prodottiengl.htm

However, I really hope the concept does not attract our councils as:

snip

6. Would you want one outside your house? Would you want one too far away?


I guess that might depend on where I was living, no I wouldn't want one
outside my house. but we have plenty of space for storing wheelie bins on
the drive.

The row of very small terraced cottages along the road from us have no
rear access, limited internal storage space and just a small area at the
front of the house for storing bins. People living in them might find such
arrnagements more attractive.
--
Chris French

What did they do in the olden days of the cylindrical metal or plastic
dustbins? (Pre-Wheelie Bin)

In those days we all had open fires, or fires behind glass doors. Those
with open fires used to burn as much rubbish as possible on it. Hence
the name, ash bin (they also had to put the fire ashes in as well.)
After smokeless zones were introduced, plastic bins came in.

Can't remember what those with open fire did about ashes. As we were
living in a flat, or house with gas fires.

Dave

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:07:49 +0100, chris French wrote:

In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the ribbish out
in black bin bags.

We still put our "ribbish" out in a plastic bag, bright blue, to
identify it as "domestic" waste not "commercial" waste. Commercial
waste can still be in a black bag. Though why they need to
differentiate I don't know it all gets picked up by the same truck on
the same round...

Wheelie bins are just so slow compared to man hopping out of cab,
picking up the bag lobbing it in the back and hopping back in. The
truck hardly stops moving.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:07:49 +0100, chris French wrote:

In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the ribbish out
in black bin bags.

We still put our "ribbish" out in a plastic bag, bright blue, to
identify it as "domestic" waste not "commercial" waste. Commercial
waste can still be in a black bag. Though why they need to
differentiate I don't know it all gets picked up by the same truck on
the same round...

Just billing. Industrial pays a higher rate. They know how many
industrial sites they pick up from.

Wheelie bins are just so slow compared to man hopping out of cab,
picking up the bag lobbing it in the back and hopping back in. The
truck hardly stops moving.

Who could argue with that?

Council inefficiency?

Yes, definitely :-(

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:07:49 +0100, chris French wrote:

In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the ribbish out
in black bin bags.

We still put our "ribbish" out in a plastic bag, bright blue, to
identify it as "domestic" waste not "commercial" waste. Commercial
waste can still be in a black bag. Though why they need to
differentiate I don't know it all gets picked up by the same truck on
the same round...

Just billing. Industrial pays a higher rate. They know how many industrial
sites they pick up from.

Wheelie bins are just so slow compared to man hopping out of cab,
picking up the bag lobbing it in the back and hopping back in. The
truck hardly stops moving.

Who could argue with that?

Me.

Wheelie bins are somewhat larger than black bags, hence the reason they want
two week collections.
Then there are the safety issues..

Not having to worry that some idiot has put something sharp in a bag
Not trying to lift a bag and finding its full of concrete
Less litter caused by ripped bags to clean up (they do clean up don't they?)
...


Council inefficiency?

Yes, definitely :-(

Dave

Dave wrote:
snip

What did they do in the olden days of the cylindrical metal or plastic
dustbins? (Pre-Wheelie Bin)

In those days we all had open fires, or fires behind glass doors. Those
with open fires used to burn as much rubbish as possible on it. Hence
the name, ash bin (they also had to put the fire ashes in as well.)
After smokeless zones were introduced, plastic bins came in.

Can't remember what those with open fire did about ashes. As we were
living in a flat, or house with gas fires.

When my metal dustbin died of old age the plastic replacement (which I
still have) has "no hot ashes" embossed on the lid. So those with hot
ashes would have to be patient.

When black bin bags came in the normal practice of collecting the whole
bin obvious went as well but so, shortly after, did the practice of
collecting the rubbish from the rear of the house if that is where then
bin was kept. Saves time and money for the council but can be a burden
on the elderly. A burden that wheelie bins have made worse in some cases.

Incidentally Bradford Met. got its knickers in a bit of a twist over the
colour of their wheelie bins. Green bins were introduced for general
waste so when 'green' bins came in they had to be grey. Since then in my
area big grey bins have been replaced with small green boxes that are
collected by a private firm. Large bins seem overkill for recycled
rubbish anyway. Full they could be very very heavy and opportunities for
pre sorting are limited.

"Roger Chapman" wrote in message
...

When black bin bags came in the normal practice of collecting the whole
bin obvious went as well but so, shortly after, did the practice of
collecting the rubbish from the rear of the house if that is where then
bin was kept. Saves time and money for the council but can be a burden on
the elderly. A burden that wheelie bins have made worse in some cases.

My council still collects the bins, empties them and sometimes puts them
back.
But only from the front, not the back.
They also have green wheelies for the garden waste and like most councils
offer an assisted collection for those that can't move them on their own. If
you know people that can't manage get them on the assisted collection list
and they won't need to do anything.

In article ,
Dave writes:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:07:49 +0100, chris French wrote:

In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the ribbish out
in black bin bags.

We still put our "ribbish" out in a plastic bag, bright blue, to
identify it as "domestic" waste not "commercial" waste. Commercial
waste can still be in a black bag. Though why they need to
differentiate I don't know it all gets picked up by the same truck on
the same round...

Just billing. Industrial pays a higher rate. They know how many
industrial sites they pick up from.

We had to pay 50p per bag to buy the commercial waste bags (10 years
ago - probably more now). OTOH, it also meant you could choose to
have someone else collect your commercial waste, if they did it
cheaper or in some other way that better suited you. We did this
for some types of waste such as large boxes and packing pieces, which
worked out very expensive and time consuming to break down and stuff
in the 50p bags.

Wheelie bins are just so slow compared to man hopping out of cab,
picking up the bag lobbing it in the back and hopping back in. The
truck hardly stops moving.

Who could argue with that?

Council inefficiency?

Yes, definitely :-(

I only put my wheelie bins out when they're full, which takes me
6-8 weeks, so mostly they don't have to stop to empty mine at all.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:55:12 +0100, dennis@home wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
...
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:07:49 +0100, chris French wrote:

In the pre wheelie bins houses IIRC we jsut used to put the ribbish out
in black bin bags.

We still put our "ribbish" out in a plastic bag, bright blue, to
identify it as "domestic" waste not "commercial" waste. Commercial
waste can still be in a black bag. Though why they need to
differentiate I don't know it all gets picked up by the same truck on
the same round...

Just billing. Industrial pays a higher rate. They know how many industrial
sites they pick up from.

Wheelie bins are just so slow compared to man hopping out of cab,
picking up the bag lobbing it in the back and hopping back in. The
truck hardly stops moving.

Who could argue with that?

Me.

Wheelie bins are somewhat larger than black bags, hence the reason they want
two week collections.
Then there are the safety issues..

Not having to worry that some idiot has put something sharp in a bag
Not trying to lift a bag and finding its full of concrete

in which case they just leave 'em behind

Less litter caused by ripped bags to clean up (they do clean up don't they?)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL

It must be better than what might follow.

Already happening:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/...00/8280507.stm