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Larry Jaques wrote: However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away. Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it. (which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s) Isn't fast-firing easier in a well-built weapon like a 19, Gunner? Every time I hear a doubletap from a Glock, it sounds like a full-auto startin' up, with no more than 1/4 of a second elapsed for both shots. My ears twitch. Dunno, I've only fired one Glock (which I didn't care for) and plenty of other HGs and all would do fast fire just fine. I'd think that a metal frame gun would have the advantage there in the form of more weight to control muzzle climb. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? I wonder how many liberals will contest this one, saying "He's sick. You can't kill him. He didn't know what he was doing." What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. The point is that most liberals do not. I'll bet a few more get licensed this week, though. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. That is not the case, there was at least one armed civilian present, indeed one who helped tackle the perp. He determined that drawing his weapon was not the best option. We probably won't even know how many other civilians present were armed and also determined that drawing their weapons was not the best option. Interesting. VERY interesting. Ever read the 4th chapter, Social Proof, in Robert Cialdini's _Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion_? It's a book I'd recommend for every living human to read, at least for that chapter. It could save your life. Anyway, if you're dying on the side of the road and there are hundreds of people driving/walking by, don't cry "Somebody help me." They probably won't. You have to ask someone directly to help before they'll do it. Otherwise, to often, people will see others ignoring you and they have a strong social proof that's the way to handle the situation. They'll ignore you, too. Some think of legal ramifications of helping you in the wrong way, others don't want to get involved (especially if you're of a different race), some don't feel that they have enough medical training, and others just don't care. He cited all the neigbors (where else but Chicago?) of Catherine Genovese who was raped and killed in front of all her fellow men. All thought "Someone has already called the police so I won't." http://tinyurl.com/4zmz6p3 I'm wondering how much social proof was involved in this shooting case. I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Presumably they were off hunting doughnuts, speeders or some other worthy task. Yeah, no doubt. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? The perp always has the element of surprise. Which is why terrorists always have the upper hand, and no amount of money thrown at the problem will ever "fix it" and "make us safe", despite the rhetoric tossed out by the DHS and gun banners. sigh That's why I got a carry permit. When seconds count, the police are only minutes (or hours) away. -- Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911. |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C." wrote: Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear from your posts..you are well Right of center. More accurately I'm a "centrist extremist", my opinions on various subjects are solidly to one side or the other, and in the center on average. |
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"Tom Gardner" ihbfd@lhu wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message ... What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers down. And WTF? These law enforcement officers who are now opining politically. Why aren't they addressing the fact that they let this guy be a bully and terrorist for a long time, and nothing was done about it? They're law enforcement officers, not political spokespeople. They were lousy at police work, and I don't think they'd be any better at politics, although they couldn't do any worse than the current crop. Divisive political rhetoric? Do you know that "rhetoric" is the keyword du jour with the press and government today, being used hundreds of times by different people, just as if they were e mailed the keyword du jour by some unknown director? Steve It seems this sheriff is diverting attention from his failure to do his job. Next time I screw-up miserably I'll just blame Rush. Don't you mean Bush? Steve ;-) |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:55:10 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C." wrote: Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear from your posts..you are well Right of center. Of course..based on the current DNC members...Trotsky and Ingles were right of center.....and they carried guns too..... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII PREDICTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT THAT MORE POLITICIANS, LEFT AND RIGHT WILL CARRY GUNS IN THE FUTURE ................................ CARNACK THE MAGNIFICENT ....................... I predict civilian casualties from that action, especially if Cheney gives weapon handling lessons. I also predict that it won't save them from perps who already know how to use a gun. This (crazy) guy shot from behind. Others (non-crazies) would likely use rifles so they're neither caught nor exposed. -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? -- Ronald Reagan |
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On 2011-01-11, Pete C. wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C." wrote: Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear from your posts..you are well Right of center. More accurately I'm a "centrist extremist", my opinions on various subjects are solidly to one side or the other, and in the center on average. I describe myself as a conservative liberal. I despise the Republican party due to Bush ruining the fiscal discipline and starting a war of aggression, and due to its pandering to extremists like Lochner and the Tea party, hypocrisy and lying. "Billionaires on warpath who pull the strings of clueless extremists", would be a fitting description. This comes from someone who voted Republican previously. In the unlikely event that the Republican party would realize the errors of its ways, embrace fiscal discipline, eject extremist kooks, and support the entire Consitution, I may vote Republican again. i |
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Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Where they won't hesitate to blow up a building, to kill one person... -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22*pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. =========== Thanks for your concern. I don't know how many of the group were around when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas [Friday 22 Nov 1963], but the same sound bites were pumped out then,the same panaceas [mean looking gun & high capacity magazine bans] proposed, the same calls for restrictions on political "hate" speech made, and the same media crocodile tears shed. Look for another Warren Commission to conclude he was a lone gunman and acted alone. Also look for an assassination [attempt] while he is in custody, ala Lee Harvey Oswald. -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Jan 12, 3:50*am, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. =========== Thanks for your concern. I don't know how many of the group were around when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas [Friday 22 Nov 1963], but the same sound bites were pumped out then,the same panaceas [mean looking gun & high capacity magazine bans] proposed, the same calls for restrictions on political "hate" speech made, and the same media crocodile tears shed. Look for another Warren Commission to conclude he was a lone gunman and acted alone. *Also look for an assassination [attempt] while he is in custody, ala Lee Harvey Oswald. -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) .............................. The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). Hey George - and thank you, from this distance its madness - you dont like someones politics, you kill them. You guys were/are supposed to be good example of tolerance, the rule of law etc etc - (its in you constitution, go read it. they wrote it so idiots could understand it) And its a great pity the same crap just keeps on going on.. we dont seemed to have progressed a whole lot in hte last 2,000 years. You people have done so much good - whats going on, you fragmenting into warring tribes or what?. Andrew VK3BFA |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote: ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. Good point. This is why it is EXTREMELY important that the average American citizen be educated to see past the left/right paradigm to the money powers that have stolen control of the US government. These money powers seek no less then total control of the world government they are trying to create. George Herbert Walker Bush even announced as much in his famous "New World Order" references. Witness the debate on this latest shooting. All seem to be caught up in left vs. right issues. The problem is the conditions that created the angry conditions leading to this shooting were the result of the long standing work of the globalists behind the debasement of the US economy. Either that, or this guy is a CIA mind control dupe used to exacerbate the erosion of civil liberties here in the US. They have used such zombie dupes in the past. Dave |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. =========== Thanks for your concern. I don't know how many of the group were around when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas [Friday 22 Nov 1963], but the same sound bites were pumped out then,the same panaceas [mean looking gun & high capacity magazine bans] proposed, the same calls for restrictions on political "hate" speech made, and the same media crocodile tears shed. I was in elementary school. We were all pulled out of class, and spent the rest of the day watching the news on the nationwide haywire ATT long lines pieced together to feed every networked TV station in the US. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 12, 3:50 am, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee- associates.us wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. =========== Thanks for your concern. I don't know how many of the group were around when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas [Friday 22 Nov 1963], but the same sound bites were pumped out then,the same panaceas [mean looking gun & high capacity magazine bans] proposed, the same calls for restrictions on political "hate" speech made, and the same media crocodile tears shed. Look for another Warren Commission to conclude he was a lone gunman and acted alone. Also look for an assassination [attempt] while he is in custody, ala Lee Harvey Oswald. -- Unka George (George McDuffee) .............................. The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). Hey George - and thank you, from this distance its madness - you dont like someones politics, you kill them. You guys were/are supposed to be good example of tolerance, the rule of law etc etc - (its in you constitution, go read it. they wrote it so idiots could understand it) And its a great pity the same crap just keeps on going on.. we dont seemed to have progressed a whole lot in hte last 2,000 years. You people have done so much good - whats going on, you fragmenting into warring tribes or what?. This character had a history of causing trouble. The fact that he was still on the loose shows that you can't coddle dangerous people and leave them on the streets to cause more problems. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
This character had a history of causing trouble. The fact that he was still on the loose shows that you can't coddle dangerous people and leave them on the streets to cause more problems. So who is going to decide (before hand, now!) who is dangerous and who is not? Are you ready to face a psych evaluation - just to run around loose? Are you willing to empower rent-a-cops (campus security) to be able to commit someone for "mental instability"? Are you REALLY sure you want to go there??? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:00:23 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote: On Jan 12, 3:50*am, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee- associates.us wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:01:38 -0800 (PST), Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Jan 10, 2:22 pm, wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. =========== Thanks for your concern. I don't know how many of the group were around when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas [Friday 22 Nov 1963], but the same sound bites were pumped out then,the same panaceas [mean looking gun & high capacity magazine bans] proposed, the same calls for restrictions on political "hate" speech made, and the same media crocodile tears shed. Look for another Warren Commission to conclude he was a lone gunman and acted alone. *Also look for an assassination [attempt] while he is in custody, ala Lee Harvey Oswald. -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) .............................. The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). Hey George - and thank you, from this distance its madness - you dont like someones politics, you kill them. You guys were/are supposed to be good example of tolerance, the rule of law etc etc - (its in you constitution, go read it. they wrote it so idiots could understand it) And its a great pity the same crap just keeps on going on.. we dont seemed to have progressed a whole lot in hte last 2,000 years. You people have done so much good - whats going on, you fragmenting into warring tribes or what?. Andrew VK3BFA ============= It appears to go deeper than that, and is not limited to the US. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...-Salman-Taseer One possible frame work is to observe that every society/culture has a majority tacit/implicit "meta narrative" [and several auxiliary ones depending on the individuals age, ethnicity, gender, etc.] people keep playing in their head to make/organize their world and spin it into existence. From time to time the existing meta narratives for large/significant groups become increasingly unsynchronized with/decoupled from actual/underlying conditions and circumstances creating large amounts of individual [unfocused and subliminal] angst, incongruence, and desonance. {Translation: Large numbers of people are not (intellectually/consciously) sure why, but they are scared to death, mad as hell, and not going to take "it" anymore.} Cue Twisted Sister "We're not gonna take it anymore" here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MotNtq41NDw While there are typically and historically a number of individual reactions to a failing meta narrative, dispassionate contemplation and logical assessment are not generally among them. The two predominate response groups appear to be the "reactionaries," who wish to return to some ill-identified "golden age" [that most likely never existed] by changing the conditions and circumstances [back] to what these were (although this is most likely impossible), and the "heaven-stormers," who seek to correct all societal ills and perfect mankind (e.g. the new soviet man) at a single stroke, although this has never worked either. In the U.S. this failure/divergence of the majority meta narrative resulted in the Civil War [1861-1865] and very nearly a repeat during the civil rights / Vietnam era [1955-1968]. Although not as widely remembered, the era of profound labor unrest, as exemplified by the IWW/Wobblies, during the great depression is another example of a near disaster. http://www.iww.org/culture We appear to be at another historical cusp where the accepted/orthodox majority meta narrative no longer adequately represents the actual conditions and circumstances, and we have yet again the [highly unstable] condition that McCauley describes: "Was none who would be foremost To lead such dire attack: But those behind cried ‘Forward!’ And those before cried ‘Back!’" Stanza L -- Horatius http://www.englishverse.com/poems/horatius We are indeed living in interesting times... -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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CaveLamb wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: This character had a history of causing trouble. The fact that he was still on the loose shows that you can't coddle dangerous people and leave them on the streets to cause more problems. So who is going to decide (before hand, now!) who is dangerous and who is not? Are you ready to face a psych evaluation - just to run around loose? Are you willing to empower rent-a-cops (campus security) to be able to commit someone for "mental instability"? Are you REALLY sure you want to go there??? well, I've never made threats to kill people like he did, or have a criminal record? A lot of the people who knew him were aparently afraid of him. Do you want to go there? -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
CaveLamb wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: This character had a history of causing trouble. The fact that he was still on the loose shows that you can't coddle dangerous people and leave them on the streets to cause more problems. So who is going to decide (before hand, now!) who is dangerous and who is not? Are you ready to face a psych evaluation - just to run around loose? Are you willing to empower rent-a-cops (campus security) to be able to commit someone for "mental instability"? Are you REALLY sure you want to go there??? You know Richard, the first place this guy went to buy ammo (WalMart) wouldn't sell to him. You'd think that with WalMart's adoption of the "See and Say" program encouraging people to report odd or suspicious behavior someone would have phoned up DHS or even the local PD. Yeah, I read that. Then he straightened up long enough at the second Walmart. So they call the cops on him. But he hasn't done anything (YET you may say). Then our litigious society is gonna bite back. Or the nut case will remember who wouldn't sell him ammo? Face it, guys, there is no simple solution here. Although I see some of us promoting our pet agendas. Just like the politico crowd. (not you John ) This guy was psychotic. True, there were several places he might have been nabbed - prior. But he wasn't. So how aggressive do you want the police powers to be on this? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
Hang with me for a moment, John? Yeah, I read that. Then he straightened up long enough at the second Walmart. He learned something and applied the lesson. That's the scariest part. He had something he wanted to do and realized, if even for a few minutes, that he was losing it. So they call the cops on him. But he hasn't done anything (YET you may say). Doesn't matter. It DOES matter. When the cops show up it's kinda like a cold shot of water in the face. OOPS! Yes sir, No Sir, three bags full, Sir. ANYbody will straighten up for them. They can put a pshyc hold on him and send him off for evaluation. At that point, this guy might well have had his weapon(s) confiscated permanently under existing Federal law and not been elgible to purchase again. Not legally anyway and he would be in the system. And that means what to HIM? NADA! Or maybe - Hurry! Face it, guys, there is no simple solution here. I've never said there was. Failing to honestly face a problem, however, is the surest way to avoid "solving" anything. Although I see some of us promoting our pet agendas. Just like the politico crowd. (not you John ) Were I too actually have a real agenda, it would be to find a way to get people to quit focussing on the meaningless at the expense of the critical. Neither facts or recitations of history seem to matter much. I'd join that party. But first you have to get the major politicians to throttle back. AND the news media. (Or maybe the other way around?) I think all of the pee party posturing with weapons and threats is completely irresponsible at best and possibly actionable in many instances. What they, along with the right wing noise machine have ginned up lends legitamacy to the notion that American citizens have a responsibility to resolve governance issues with guns and violence if what happens at the ballot box doesn't suit them. They do this while wrapping themselves in the American flag. You have seen it right here in this news group ar first hand. Gunner and several others are particularly blood thirsty and brazen. Anyone that can Kackle with joy in anticipation of dead American's rotting from a noose hung from a lamp post probably hasn't seen a corpse, rotting or otherwise and in any event is quite litterally insane. The delusion that this would be the result a "popular" uprising is just an insane delusion. The belief that America's uniformed military would support or encourage this sort of thing is sick and demonstrates beyond question the lack of respect and or understanding some people have for the integrity of our Armed forces, the American populace and America's Constitutionally established institutions. This guy was psychotic. He was. I wouldn't argue that for a minute and haven't heard a single person try. Have you? He was also immersed in an environment that fed his insanity. That such was created and flourishes is a lot more important that who d Agreed. id what or why. There is no excuse or reason as far as I'm concerned. Who is doing what and why is only relevant when you consider corrective practice. Anything for the safety of "the children"? (With apologies to Christina Green) Well, common sense would probably have prevented this completely. A couple of uniformed officers on the scene would almost certainly have put the guy off just by being there. Had that not been the case, they would have spotted him early. He stood out like a sore thumb. I wasn't there. so I don't know how he looked. And if I had been, with all those people crowded around, I doubt there would have been a clean shot... I'll tell you what his whole thing has done for me. I've decided to get my a CHL. (A significant change of heart here) And have my S.O. qualify as well. Because whatever the fallout of all of this will eventually be... It WON'T corral the true crazies. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:59:06 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
wrote: On Jan 10, 12:58*am, "Pete C." wrote: wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. The sad thing is that 50-60% of the US population is quite centrist. The reality is that the only two viable (for the foreseeable future) political parties have been overrun by the 20-25% of extremists in each "wing".- And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble. And then there's the uber-violent bangers who have no particular political or religious zeolotry beyond their gang affiliation. Those who abhor violence might do well to focus on dealing with violence rather than try to form associations between nutcases and whatever political persuasions they dislike. |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
And if I had been, with all those people crowded around, I doubt there would have been a clean shot... A cop would just have grabbed him. On what charge? Being an asshole? I'll tell you what his whole thing has done for me. I've decided to get my a CHL. (A significant change of heart here) And have my S.O. qualify as well. I think you both might end up feeling silly. I doubt it. Ask Karl if he feels silly carrying? Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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CaveLamb wrote: Don Foreman wrote: I don't carry often, but I don't feel silly when I do. As an old man, I feel safer with a popper in me pocket. It may be an illusion, but it's a comforting illusion. We old farts like such comforts as we can find. I have no illusion that I'm not an old fart, albeit marksman. I'm no gunslinger. My carry is a pocket pistol in a pocket holster. It takes me a small fraction of a week to draw my pistol from pocket, so I pay attention to what's happenin' around me. I won't win any quickdraw contests but I'm not a soldier, LEO or gunslinger. Payin' attention is my primary defense. I'll avoid what I can, have me pistol in hand for what I can't avoid. I do not expect to ever shoot anyone and fervently hope that I'll never have to. I'm a vet, been there and done that. I'll never win any bullseye competitions with my nearly 70-year-old eyes, but I do OK with doubletaps and Mozambique drills at 21 feet. The silhouette targets I shoot wouldn't be drawing social security. Sir! I'm not far behind you. I'll be 61 in April. I took my girlfriend out to the local range last week (Red River Firearms) (just before all this happened). For a California girl, never having had a hand weapon in hand before, I think she did ok. She was slow, granted, but cut paper every time. And she enjoyed it. (oh baby!) I only got to shoot two or three times (out of 100 rounds). My (VA!) glasses couldn't make out the rings, so I shot blind. My last was ok. Six rounds, nine seconds, all black - 15 feet. (That with my Bersa Thunder .380) I'm not Gunner. I'm not looking for trouble. I pay attention to what's going on around me - and I'll leave if need be. I just don't want to be a victim if I can help it... And I don't want to see my loved ones hurt - if I can help it. And that is the proper attitude. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:30:22 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote: I don't carry often, but I don't feel silly when I do. As an old man, I feel safer with a popper in me pocket. It may be an illusion, but it's a comforting illusion. We old farts like such comforts as we can find. I have no illusion that I'm not an old fart, albeit marksman. You are safer, period. Just showing a gun will head off the majority of perp actions. They thrive on the unarmed and frozen frames of the unwashed. I'm no gunslinger. My carry is a pocket pistol in a pocket holster. It takes me a small fraction of a week to draw my pistol from pocket, And who says you have to -draw- to shoot a rapidly approaching perp? (Mary or you could sew up the hole, eh?) If you have time, you'll naturally draw it, but, in a pinch... so I pay attention to what's happenin' around me. I won't win any quickdraw contests but I'm not a soldier, LEO or gunslinger. Payin' attention is my primary defense. I'll avoid what I can, have me pistol in hand for what I can't avoid. I do not expect to ever shoot anyone and fervently hope that I'll never have to. I'm a vet, been there and done that. That's what counts. Paying attention is 9/10 of the battle. It gives you a chance to avoid or escape without battle as well as giving you the necessary information about your surroundings to make yourself safer if an encounter is inevitable. I'll never win any bullseye competitions with my nearly 70-year-old eyes, but I do OK with doubletaps and Mozambique drills at 21 feet. The silhouette targets I shoot wouldn't be drawing social security. This is good. Silhouettes and other illegals shouldn't be on the dole, anyway. (though silhouettes don't eat much 'n never use food stamps.) -- The United States of America is the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world. -- Ayn Rand |
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On Jan 12, 12:02*am, Don Foreman
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:59:06 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck wrote: On Jan 10, 12:58*am, "Pete C." wrote: wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. The sad thing is that 50-60% of the US population is quite centrist. The reality is that the only two viable (for the foreseeable future) political parties have been overrun by the 20-25% of extremists in each "wing".- And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble. And then there's the uber-violent bangers who have no particular political or religious zeolotry beyond their gang affiliation. Those who abhor violence might do well to focus on dealing with violence rather than try to form associations between nutcases and whatever political persuasions they dislike. And even though we're all "pretty sure" that Gunner's talk of a "great cull" is all just fantasy, it raises a couple of questions: 1) How do we _KNOW_ it's just fantasy? How do we know that his talk should not be taken seriously and that we shouldn't drop a dime to the FBI on him? 2) Is a person who obviously derives great pleasure from such fantasies mentally stable? Should a person who talks incessantly about violent acts, be they real or fantastic, be allowed to own firearms? Where do you draw the line? Just to be perfectly clear, this isn't aimed at Gunner alone. He is, however a convenient example for discussion's sake. |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
CaveLamb wrote: John R. Carroll wrote: CaveLamb wrote: John R. Carroll wrote: And if I had been, with all those people crowded around, I doubt there would have been a clean shot... A cop would just have grabbed him. On what charge? Being an asshole? Well doggies... How 'bout that? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...nt;cbsCarousel (CBS/AP) TUCSON, Ariz. - The suspect in a deadly Arizona shooting ran a red light and was stopped by a wildlife officer less than three hours before the attack that wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six others. The Arizona Game and Fish Department says an officer stopped Jared Loughner at about 7:30 a.m. Saturday. The officer took Loughner's driver's license and vehicle registration information. Dispatchers checked the information and found no outstanding warrants on Loughner or his vehicle. He was given a verbal warning and released. Though the timeline is not clear, police say Loughner also had an altercation with his father and fled into the desert that morning. The sheriff's deputies who swarmed the Loughners' house removed what they describe as evidence Jared Loughner was targeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who doctors said Tuesday was breathing on her own for the first time after taking a bullet to the forehead. Among the handwritten notes was one with the words "Die, bitch," which authorities told The Associated Press they believe was a reference to Giffords. |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
.. A cop would just have grabbed him. On what charge? Being an asshole? Well doggies... How 'bout that? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...nt;cbsCarousel I'm not sure I understand your point. It has nothing to do with my suggestion that uniformed officers at the meet and greet could have prevented the incident. They would have been looking at anyone that behaved the way this guy did at the event and might well have snagged him. That would have been why they were there, not to write traffic tickets. This guy wasn't just nuts, he was OBVIOUSLY nuts. People did notice that at the time. Maybe. At least it sure looks that way in hind-sight. THAT'S the point. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Jan 9, 10:22*pm, wrote:
What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. Well said. |
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On Jan 9, 11:47*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris wrote: snipThat's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. * {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs *-- some assembly required. *Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) .............................. The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). You are showing a bias George..shame on you. ;) You forgot to add.. "Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical right making assumptions and crying for gun proliferation as a cure all/panacea. " TMT |
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On Jan 10, 12:59*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:58*am, "Pete C." wrote: wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. The sad thing is that 50-60% of the US population is quite centrist. The reality is that the only two viable (for the foreseeable future) political parties have been overrun by the 20-25% of extremists in each "wing".- And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You see much less of it coming from the Left...much less. That is why the Right is now busy making excuses for its behavior. And the American people can see right through their lies. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 4:04*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. *Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. *"Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or maybe carrying a gun doesn't make society safer? TMT |
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On Jan 10, 5:06*pm, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 1/10/2011 5:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee *wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. *Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. *"Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * * Robert A. Heinlein It is a shame you were not there Gummy, I can see it now, you standing there with a pile of casings at your feet, and the congress woman with a through and through wound. *esp. with a dead perp... *it sure would have been quieter around here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why wasn't he? I thought Gummer was the know all see all of the Right. Did our Savior fail us? TMT |
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On Jan 10, 5:25*pm, Wes wrote:
wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. By that logic Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer would have died years ago by lead poisioning and the left would have taken out GWB and Cheney. * Please try not to get swept up by the hysteria and finger pointing of the moment. *A nut went off, nothing more. *Three in the crowd stopped his killing spree from reports. *Like flight 93, it put a bit of a good spin on a horrible situation. Wes It is more than just a nut going off...that is what you folks from the Right want us to believe so you can continue to do business as usual. New gun laws are coming...and your irresponsibility with guns made it happen. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 5:49*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: snipI understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner ======== There are too many loose ends, and the timing of this incident is far too convenient in the political/budget cycle, as if it was intended to diver attention away from the ongoing U.S. socio-economic crisis by creating another 2nd amendment uproar. One of the many things about this that is red flag is that only the Congresswoman was a head shot, and it appears everyone else was a center of mass body hit or collateral [unaimed] damage. *This appears to indicate that the perp assumed she might be wearing bullet resistant clothing. Does anyone know if in fact she was wearing or has worn police grade body armor? If so, this goes far beyond the level of impulsive spontaneous outburst and indicates a level of research and planning not consistent with his apparent mental capacity/smarts -- IOW he appears to have been one of the dullest knifes in the drawer, and apparently had/has extremely limited social/planning skills. *Other questions include how was he earning a living and how did he afford a high capacity pistol? *Anyone know what weapon he used and what these retail for? *Where did he bought it and if he paid cash? -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) .............................. The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). He used a 9mm Glock. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 6:37*pm, Boris Kapusta wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. * {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs *-- some assembly required. *Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. *Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. *"Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." Correction. Long haired, pot smoking, extremely liberal, atheist, Constitution hating, Communist Manifesto reading, *flag burning loving, dope head hippy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hmm...sounds like a conservative winger to me. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 6:51*pm, Boris Kapusta wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner Not fascinating at all. This was a libtard who would perish in any kind of a *fair fight. He managed to blow through a magazine quickly because he had the element of surprise. Reports from the shooting indicate that the shooter never counted on being knocked down, and flailed his legs and wrists about until enough people subdued him, libtard spasms and flailings, and all. Is it any wonder his wrists went limp when it came time to reload? LOL...if you know so much why weren't you there to stop it with your little gun? You would be entertaining if you were not so stupid. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 9:07*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:51:58 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. *Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. *"Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. *I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? *Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? If you carry a weapon in your purse..your draw time is in ..well..minutes. However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away. Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it. (which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s) And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO..... "Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County." And when is that Pima County sheriff going to be booted out of office? I just watched the clown on an interview with ABC or similar..an utter idiot.... http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/201...dismiss-loughn... http://minx.cc/?post=310494 # Catseye says: January 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm There is a term which may apply here if this is true it’s “Dangerously Incompetent”. # cameo says: January 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm His mother (the shooter's) *works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors…so it’s definitely plausible. Id have to say that Sheriff Dupnick is not long for his office.... -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." * * * * * * * * * * *Robert A. Heinlein- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He will be reelected. Not everyone is as stupid as you are Gummer. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 8:51*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. *Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. *"Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. *I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? *Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. *Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Ronald Reagan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wonder if the next shooting will be a Republican Congressman shooting one of his crazy ass followers at a public gathering because he thought the guy was reaching for a gun. TMT |
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On Jan 10, 11:53*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO...... "Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff's Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County." *My daughter was being threatened by gang girls in her junior year in high school. *For the last three months of the school year, we home schooled her. *Then for her final year, she went to a new satellite school for talented students. When I went to police and school officials and told them of the threats to her, they said, "If the girls do anything to her, they will be in trouble.." Excuse me. *Do I have to wait until she is maimed or killed before you will do anything? *Apparently so. There were two girls. *The brother of one was killed by a homeowner in a home invasion. *The brother of the other was killed at a convenience store in a drive-by. *They were serious gangsters. At times, you can not defend yourself without letting the perpetrators injure you. *And, as with the Arizona shooter, there is nothing that police or teachers or the system can or will do to the perpetrator who is terrorizing people and acting a jerk. But, boy, once they kill some people, now they're in trouble! Trouble is that people are unnecessarily dead. Steve That is the way it is...as it should be. The alternative is that if you act first, you are the problem. So you wait until they become the problem. Kind of like what we are doing with Gummer and Tom here. Waiting...and watching... TMT |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... You are safer, period. Just showing a gun will head off the majority of perp actions. They thrive on the unarmed and frozen frames of the unwashed. I don't remember where I saw the statistics, but supposedly there are millions of unreported incidents per year that starts with a confrontation, a handgun is produced by the intended victim and the perp runs away. No shots fired, no police reports. If I ever have to produce a firearm I hope it goes that way, I hate cleaning guns! I know, I just won't bring any of those dirty cartridges! |
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On Jan 12, 9:36*pm, "LibtardStupid" ihbfd@lhu wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... You are safer, period. *Just showing a gun will head off the majority of perp actions. They thrive on the unarmed and frozen frames of the unwashed. I don't remember where I saw the statistics, but supposedly there are millions of unreported incidents per year that starts with a confrontation, a handgun is produced by the intended victim and the perp runs away. *No shots fired, no police reports. *If I ever have to produce a firearm I hope it goes that way, I hate cleaning guns! *I know, I just won't bring any of those dirty cartridges! Conservative children dreaming. If you pull a gun on someone like me, you better damn well pull the trigger...because I will. Try pulling a gun on a cop and see if he runs away. TMT |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:37:32 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
wrote: And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble. And then there's the uber-violent bangers who have no particular political or religious zeolotry beyond their gang affiliation. Those who abhor violence might do well to focus on dealing with violence rather than try to form associations between nutcases and whatever political persuasions they dislike. And even though we're all "pretty sure" that Gunner's talk of a "great cull" is all just fantasy, it raises a couple of questions: 1) How do we _KNOW_ it's just fantasy? How do we know that his talk should not be taken seriously and that we shouldn't drop a dime to the FBI on him? 2) Is a person who obviously derives great pleasure from such fantasies mentally stable? Should a person who talks incessantly about violent acts, be they real or fantastic, be allowed to own firearms? Where do you draw the line? Just to be perfectly clear, this isn't aimed at Gunner alone. He is, however a convenient example for discussion's sake. 1) We? If you think someone should call the FBI and report Gunner's great cull posts, please lead from in front and do so forthwith. I hope it makes you feel better, and I'll about guarantee that you'll find it educational. Please keep us posted on your progress, experiences and frustrations. 2) The line is quite clear: freedom of speech that you might find offensive is protected by the 1st amendment. Fantasy violence is not illegal nor is it prima facie evidence of mental defect. There are video games available to teenagers that portray (and perhaps encourage) violence far more vividly and graphically than anything Gunner has ever posted on usenet in his best efforts to shock readers. With very limited exceptions, law of the land does not permit legal action against another based on what he says or what others think he might do. If you abhor violence then focus on miscreants that do violence rather than those whom you think might based upon how you react to what they post on usenet. Yer note about "not aimed at Gunner alone" duly noted. Target moi? I am not zeolously either liberal or conservative and my religious beliefs (or absence thereof) are none of yer beeswax. I am a gentle and nurturing man, but also a vet and a realist. I carry a gun some days. He who would mug or rape this senior gentleman will experience explosively violent lethal response beyond anything he ever imagined. I may look like easy prey, low hanging fruit for predators... but I'm not and they sense that. Predators are street smart, focus on easy prey. I am not a vigilante. Could be, might become so if Mary dies before I do. **** happens, life is fair now and then, here and there ... not fair if Mar dies before me but life is hardly ever fair. |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:48:45 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: On Jan 12, 9:36*pm, "LibtardStupid" ihbfd@lhu wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... You are safer, period. *Just showing a gun will head off the majority of perp actions. They thrive on the unarmed and frozen frames of the unwashed. I don't remember where I saw the statistics, but supposedly there are millions of unreported incidents per year that starts with a confrontation, a handgun is produced by the intended victim and the perp runs away. *No shots fired, no police reports. *If I ever have to produce a firearm I hope it goes that way, I hate cleaning guns! *I know, I just won't bring any of those dirty cartridges! Conservative children dreaming. If you pull a gun on someone like me, you better damn well pull the trigger...because I will. If by "someone like me" you mean an ill-spoken anonymous usenet troll, I won't draw or fire and you won't pull such tiny trigger as you may be able to find thru the hole in your pocket. Try pulling a gun on a cop and see if he runs away. Your violent fantasies have zero correllation with my behavior. |
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