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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain??? |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. -- Unka George (George McDuffee) The program name you are looking for is called MK-ULTRA. Sirhan Sirhan (sp?) reputed assassin of Robert Kennedy may have been an MK-ULTRA mind controlled zombie. Ted Kozinski (Unabomber) was probably an MK-ULTRA subject. Lee Harvey Oswald was involved with LSD (CIA drug program) in some way. These go on and on. Mark David Chapman (killer of John Lennon), John W. Hinckley Jr. (attempted assassin of Pres. R. Reagan).....these people all have reputed kinks to the MK-ULTRA project. Timothy McVee was probably MK-ULTRA. The doctor assigned him while in prison was directly tied to the MK-ULTRA research. My guess: this latest shooter was probably the same. There are black ops trying to overthrow the government and create a fascist police state. Shootings like this are in their interest as they lead to curtailing free speech. They have, ON RECORD, engaged in mind control research involving a wide variety of drugs you have never even heard of because they have no beneficial health applications. Google author Jim Marrs. In Crossfi The Plot That Killed Kennedy, Marrs writes about the CIA's mind-control guinea pigs and MK-ULTRA. This guy has done much research on the subject. He was on the Alex Jones radio show yesterday talking about MK-ULTRA. Sounds crazy, I know......but these mind control program were really conducted. I seriously doubt they were just shelved. Probably they are active today on an even more sophisticated level. Dave |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:52:18 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: snip For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain??? ============== Much depends on which part. We will have to get expert medical opinion. If a tumor destroys some parts of the brain it takes out the sense of smell, others it takes out the ability to speak, etc. If still other areas, such as the pre frontal lobes are affected, it takes out much of the sense of self and what is generally called conscience or both the ability to tell right from wrong long term and/or the drive for self-preservation. http://www.allpsychologycareers.com/...on-making.html If it is a tumor or other organic defect [new infective agent such as a variant of BSE (mad cow disease) or a new STD?], he may wind up in a secure mental facility rather than prison, but the critical thing is to determine the source of the tumor or other organic defect, i.e. is this a one off case (**** happens), or due to environmental factors such that we can expect a rash of such incidents, possibly not with a gun but with arson or assault with a motor vehicle (which is where the gun banners go off the rails). For example did he spend hours a day playing 3D computer games? Did he talk several hours per day on his cell phone? All new stuff with unknown long-term effects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congre...90aW5nc3VzcA-- At the very least he should "star" in one or more training videos with his current [at the time of the shootings] appearance and clothing for social workers and school guidance personnel/instructors so they will have some idea of what to look out for. From later media articles, his behaviors seem to have been bizarre in the extreme to the instructors and fellow students at the community college he was attending. (This is complicated by the goal of community colleges to reach out to everyone in the community, even the whack jobs.) http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...tructor-i.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...ior-recor.html On the one hand we don't have the resources to lock up all the nut case/whack job college students, and on the other hand the huge majority of these morph into dull staid taxpaying/voting citizens... One of the last big shooting incidents of this type was the "Texas Tower Massacre." While cause and effect was never determined the perp was discovered to have an organic brain defect/tumor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Jan 10, 12:58*am, "Pete C." wrote:
wrote: What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. The sad thing is that 50-60% of the US population is quite centrist. The reality is that the only two viable (for the foreseeable future) political parties have been overrun by the 20-25% of extremists in each "wing".- And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of a crowd. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:14:30 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of a crowd. They guy who sat on him said if he'd given any trouble he'd have shot him, but he figured he was worth more to the cops alive than dead. |
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On 1/10/2011 5:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein It is a shame you were not there Gummy, I can see it now, you standing there with a pile of casings at your feet, and the congress woman with a through and through wound. esp. with a dead perp... it sure would have been quieter around here. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: snip I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner ======== There are too many loose ends, and the timing of this incident is far too convenient in the political/budget cycle, as if it was intended to diver attention away from the ongoing U.S. socio-economic crisis by creating another 2nd amendment uproar. One of the many things about this that is red flag is that only the Congresswoman was a head shot, and it appears everyone else was a center of mass body hit or collateral [unaimed] damage. This appears to indicate that the perp assumed she might be wearing bullet resistant clothing. Does anyone know if in fact she was wearing or has worn police grade body armor? If so, this goes far beyond the level of impulsive spontaneous outburst and indicates a level of research and planning not consistent with his apparent mental capacity/smarts -- IOW he appears to have been one of the dullest knifes in the drawer, and apparently had/has extremely limited social/planning skills. Other questions include how was he earning a living and how did he afford a high capacity pistol? Anyone know what weapon he used and what these retail for? Where did he bought it and if he paid cash? -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." Correction. Long haired, pot smoking, extremely liberal, atheist, Constitution hating, Communist Manifesto reading, flag burning loving, dope head hippy. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner Not fascinating at all. This was a libtard who would perish in any kind of a fair fight. He managed to blow through a magazine quickly because he had the element of surprise. Reports from the shooting indicate that the shooter never counted on being knocked down, and flailed his legs and wrists about until enough people subdued him, libtard spasms and flailings, and all. Is it any wonder his wrists went limp when it came time to reload? |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having to reload? Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having to reload? Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they tackled him. Paul K. Dickman |
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"Paul K. Dickman" wrote:
It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they tackled him. And some lady interfered with the reload giving a couple guys time to do something positive. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:58:04 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having to reload? Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they tackled him. A 30 rd extended magazine. It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does. Gunner Paul K. Dickman -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:52:18 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: "F. George McDuffee" wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta wrote: snip That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat. snip ========== It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized society. I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans [blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present. Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style analysis for possible profiling. {For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis to create programmed assassins with no thought of self preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson. It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people} What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must never be allowed loose. Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain??? Convict/Youbetcherass. Is anyone less dead from a tumor-related shooting? Just nuke 'em for a zero recidivism rate. -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? -- Ronald Reagan |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? -- Ronald Reagan |
American Political Situation
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:51:58 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? If you carry a weapon in your purse..your draw time is in ...well..minutes. However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away. Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it. (which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s) And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO..... "Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County." And when is that Pima County sheriff going to be booted out of office? I just watched the clown on an interview with ABC or similar..an utter idiot.... http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/201...ughner-threat/ http://minx.cc/?post=310494 # Catseye says: January 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm There is a term which may apply here if this is true it’s “Dangerously Incompetent”. # cameo says: January 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm His mother (the shooter's) works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors…so it’s definitely plausible. Id have to say that Sheriff Dupnick is not long for his office.... -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
American Political Situation
Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. That is not the case, there was at least one armed civilian present, indeed one who helped tackle the perp. He determined that drawing his weapon was not the best option. We probably won't even know how many other civilians present were armed and also determined that drawing their weapons was not the best option. I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Presumably they were off hunting doughnuts, speeders or some other worthy task. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? The perp always has the element of surprise. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote: Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear from your posts..you are well Right of center. Of course..based on the current DNC members...Trotsky and Ingles were right of center.....and they carried guns too..... -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein |
American Political Situation
What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers down. And WTF? These law enforcement officers who are now opining politically. Why aren't they addressing the fact that they let this guy be a bully and terrorist for a long time, and nothing was done about it? They're law enforcement officers, not political spokespeople. They were lousy at police work, and I don't think they'd be any better at politics, although they couldn't do any worse than the current crop. Divisive political rhetoric? Do you know that "rhetoric" is the keyword du jour with the press and government today, being used hundreds of times by different people, just as if they were e mailed the keyword du jour by some unknown director? Steve |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner Maybe neither she nor anyone in the crowd had a clear shot without unacceptable risk of collateral casualty. |
American Political Situation
"Gunner Asch" wrote And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO..... "Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff's Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County." My daughter was being threatened by gang girls in her junior year in high school. For the last three months of the school year, we home schooled her. Then for her final year, she went to a new satellite school for talented students. When I went to police and school officials and told them of the threats to her, they said, "If the girls do anything to her, they will be in trouble." Excuse me. Do I have to wait until she is maimed or killed before you will do anything? Apparently so. There were two girls. The brother of one was killed by a homeowner in a home invasion. The brother of the other was killed at a convenience store in a drive-by. They were serious gangsters. At times, you can not defend yourself without letting the perpetrators injure you. And, as with the Arizona shooter, there is nothing that police or teachers or the system can or will do to the perpetrator who is terrorizing people and acting a jerk. But, boy, once they kill some people, now they're in trouble! Trouble is that people are unnecessarily dead. Steve |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C." wrote: Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon. Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear from your posts..you are well Right of center. Of course..based on the current DNC members...Trotsky and Ingles were right of center.....and they carried guns too..... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII PREDICTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT THAT MORE POLITICIANS, LEFT AND RIGHT WILL CARRY GUNS IN THE FUTURE ................................. CARNACK THE MAGNIFICENT ....................... |
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"Steve B" wrote in message ... What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers down. And WTF? These law enforcement officers who are now opining politically. Why aren't they addressing the fact that they let this guy be a bully and terrorist for a long time, and nothing was done about it? They're law enforcement officers, not political spokespeople. They were lousy at police work, and I don't think they'd be any better at politics, although they couldn't do any worse than the current crop. Divisive political rhetoric? Do you know that "rhetoric" is the keyword du jour with the press and government today, being used hundreds of times by different people, just as if they were e mailed the keyword du jour by some unknown director? Steve It seems this sheriff is diverting attention from his failure to do his job. Next time I screw-up miserably I'll just blame Rush. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:47:04 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote: So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers down. Steve No.....free speech must be ended AND all citizens must be disarmed. Only then can we have the resurrection of the Hitlerian model of the all powerful God-State which we must worship. All graces flow from the magnificence of the "Dear Leader". Prostrate yourself before the divinity of the New World Order......or line up for a bullet in the back of your head courtesy of your slave masters. Dave |
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On Jan 10, 2:22*pm, wrote:
What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others, including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be known for. The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely. In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs Pray for the USA. ****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world.... Andrew VK3BFA. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:58:04 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having to reload? Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they tackled him. A 30 rd extended magazine. It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does. Gunner Only if you care where they are going. Paul K. Dickman |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:07:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:51:58 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea. And then we dust off ole Sparky? ========== Possibly... For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if he is 22 years old. For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers, forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy" is not much more to build a preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all guns." -- Unka George (George McDuffee) What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers. Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were anywhere near, though. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? You got it in one. I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Really? Amazing. Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did? If you carry a weapon in your purse..your draw time is in ..well..minutes. However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away. Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it. (which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s) Isn't fast-firing easier in a well-built weapon like a 19, Gunner? Every time I hear a doubletap from a Glock, it sounds like a full-auto startin' up, with no more than 1/4 of a second elapsed for both shots. My ears twitch. And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO..... "Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County." And when is that Pima County sheriff going to be booted out of office? Id have to say that Sheriff Dupnick is not long for his office.... He could always apply for that office in D.C., eh? They tend to "hire the handicapped." -- You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.? -- Ronald Reagan |
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Good thing he was white. If he were illegally here, and
Mexican national. The cops would have had him charged and released in less than an hour. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of a crowd. They guy who sat on him said if he'd given any trouble he'd have shot him, but he figured he was worth more to the cops alive than dead. |
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Imagine the headlines, the next day.
"Shooting score! Perp: 1 Armed Citizen 17. Armed citizen returns fire on shooter. Kills shooter plus 16 bystanders." Nevermind, that the nutcase had killed 18 people, they would blame all the deaths on the good citizen. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message ... What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******. Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look PC? I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd apparently was as smart. Shrug Gunner -- "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." Robert A. Heinlein It is a shame you were not there Gummy, I can see it now, you standing there with a pile of casings at your feet, and the congress woman with a through and through wound. esp. with a dead perp... it sure would have been quieter around here. |
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"Paul K. Dickman" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:58:04 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having to reload? Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they tackled him. A 30 rd extended magazine. It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does. Gunner Only if you care where they are going. And even then 60 seconds max. Two seconds is a lot of time to re-aim. |
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