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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a
small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American
congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others,
including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be
known for.
The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance
person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional
people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely.

In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what
causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when
they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs

Pray for the USA.
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That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.

snip
==========
It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
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The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:
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That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.

snip
==========
It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:
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That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.

snip
==========
It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
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The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:
snip
That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.
snip
==========
It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually
responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain???
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)


The program name you are looking for is called MK-ULTRA. Sirhan Sirhan
(sp?) reputed assassin of Robert Kennedy may have been an MK-ULTRA
mind controlled zombie. Ted Kozinski (Unabomber) was probably an
MK-ULTRA subject. Lee Harvey Oswald was involved with LSD (CIA drug
program) in some way. These go on and on. Mark David Chapman (killer
of John Lennon), John W. Hinckley Jr. (attempted assassin of Pres. R.
Reagan).....these people all have reputed kinks to the MK-ULTRA
project. Timothy McVee was probably MK-ULTRA. The doctor assigned him
while in prison was directly tied to the MK-ULTRA research.

My guess: this latest shooter was probably the same. There are black
ops trying to overthrow the government and create a fascist police
state. Shootings like this are in their interest as they lead to
curtailing free speech. They have, ON RECORD, engaged in mind control
research involving a wide variety of drugs you have never even heard
of because they have no beneficial health applications.

Google author Jim Marrs. In Crossfi The Plot That Killed Kennedy,
Marrs writes about the CIA's mind-control guinea pigs and MK-ULTRA.
This guy has done much research on the subject. He was on the Alex
Jones radio show yesterday talking about MK-ULTRA.

Sounds crazy, I know......but these mind control program were really
conducted. I seriously doubt they were just shelved. Probably they are
active today on an even more sophisticated level.
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For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually
responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain???

==============
Much depends on which part. We will have to get expert
medical opinion. If a tumor destroys some parts of the
brain it takes out the sense of smell, others it takes out
the ability to speak, etc. If still other areas, such as
the pre frontal lobes are affected, it takes out much of the
sense of self and what is generally called conscience or
both the ability to tell right from wrong long term and/or
the drive for self-preservation.
http://www.allpsychologycareers.com/...on-making.html

If it is a tumor or other organic defect [new infective
agent such as a variant of BSE (mad cow disease) or a new
STD?], he may wind up in a secure mental facility rather
than prison, but the critical thing is to determine the
source of the tumor or other organic defect, i.e. is this a
one off case (**** happens), or due to environmental factors
such that we can expect a rash of such incidents, possibly
not with a gun but with arson or assault with a motor
vehicle (which is where the gun banners go off the rails).
For example did he spend hours a day playing 3D computer
games? Did he talk several hours per day on his cell phone?
All new stuff with unknown long-term effects.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congre...90aW5nc3VzcA--


At the very least he should "star" in one or more training
videos with his current [at the time of the shootings]
appearance and clothing for social workers and school
guidance personnel/instructors so they will have some idea
of what to look out for. From later media articles, his
behaviors seem to have been bizarre in the extreme to the
instructors and fellow students at the community college he
was attending. (This is complicated by the goal of
community colleges to reach out to everyone in the
community, even the whack jobs.)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...tructor-i.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...ior-recor.html

On the one hand we don't have the resources to lock up all
the nut case/whack job college students, and on the other
hand the huge majority of these morph into dull staid
taxpaying/voting citizens...

One of the last big shooting incidents of this type was the
"Texas Tower Massacre." While cause and effect was never
determined the perp was discovered to have an organic brain
defect/tumor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman


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The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a
small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American
congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others,
including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be
known for.
The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance
person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional
people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely.


In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what
causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when
they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs


Pray for the USA.


The sad thing is that 50-60% of the US population is quite centrist. The
reality is that the only two viable (for the foreseeable future)
political parties have been overrun by the 20-25% of extremists in each
"wing".-


And further, the sadder part is that the wingers on both ends of the
spectrum preach violence. I see less of it coming from the left, but
I'm sure it's there. As long as we have Sarah Palin publishing maps
with crosshairs (of course now she's running away from that) and
Sharon Angle talking about "Second Amendment options," and Gunner's
leaders with their "great cull," we are in serious trouble.



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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
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Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.

Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner

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Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)


What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that
one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and
determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've
heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of
a crowd.
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Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)


What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that
one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and
determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've
heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of
a crowd.

They guy who sat on him said if he'd given any trouble he'd have shot
him, but he figured he was worth more to the cops alive than dead.
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On 1/10/2011 5:04 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.

Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner

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Robert A. Heinlein


It is a shame you were not there Gummy, I can see it now, you standing
there with a pile of casings at your feet, and the congress woman with a
through and through wound. esp. with a dead perp... it sure would have
been quieter around here.
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I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner

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There are too many loose ends, and the timing of this
incident is far too convenient in the political/budget
cycle, as if it was intended to diver attention away from
the ongoing U.S. socio-economic crisis by creating another
2nd amendment uproar.

One of the many things about this that is red flag is that
only the Congresswoman was a head shot, and it appears
everyone else was a center of mass body hit or collateral
[unaimed] damage. This appears to indicate that the perp
assumed she might be wearing bullet resistant clothing.
Does anyone know if in fact she was wearing or has worn
police grade body armor?

If so, this goes far beyond the level of impulsive
spontaneous outburst and indicates a level of research and
planning not consistent with his apparent mental
capacity/smarts -- IOW he appears to have been one of the
dullest knifes in the drawer, and apparently had/has
extremely limited social/planning skills. Other questions
include how was he earning a living and how did he afford a
high capacity pistol? Anyone know what weapon he used and
what these retail for? Where did he bought it and if he
paid cash?


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The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:14:30 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)

What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports have it that
one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying and
determined that tackling the perp was the best response. From what I've
heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in the middle of
a crowd.

They guy who sat on him said if he'd given any trouble he'd have shot
him, but he figured he was worth more to the cops alive than dead.


Cool! Very well done!

Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?

Gunner

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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:
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That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.
snip
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It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."



Correction. Long haired, pot smoking, extremely liberal, atheist,
Constitution hating, Communist Manifesto reading, flag burning
loving, dope head hippy.


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What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.

Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner



Not fascinating at all. This was a libtard who would perish in any
kind of a fair fight. He managed to blow through a magazine quickly
because he had the element of surprise.

Reports from the shooting indicate that the shooter never counted on
being knocked down, and flailed his legs and wrists about until enough
people subdued him, libtard spasms and flailings, and all. Is it any
wonder his wrists went limp when it came time to reload?


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Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?


Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies in the way.

Wes
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Gunner Asch wrote:

Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?


Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies
in the way.

Wes
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in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller


It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they
tackled him.

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It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they
tackled him.


And some lady interfered with the reload giving a couple guys time to do something
positive.

Wes

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"Wes" wrote in message
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Gunner Asch wrote:

Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?


Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on. Friendlies
in the way.

Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller


It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when they
tackled him.

A 30 rd extended magazine.

It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does.

Gunner

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"F. George McDuffee" wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:55:57 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0600, Boris Kapusta
wrote:
snip
That's all we need now, libtards who want to know what the poor killer
was thinking and why he would do such a horrible thing, instead of
dusting off "ole Sparky" and letting him take a seat.
snip
==========
It all depends on how you view the problem, i.e. as a one
off or as a possible trend in an increasingly polarized
society.

I for one hope the authorities immediately run tox scans
[blood and hair] for *EVERYTHING* including heavy metal
contamination and bad dope, then run a complete CAT/PET scan
of his head to determine if any organic abnormalities such a
tumors or diseases such as syphilis are present.

Then after organic causes are eliminated [or possibly
concurrently] do a complete psych work-up and life style
analysis for possible profiling.

{For a nightmare scenario imagine that some group has
learned how to use a combination of drugs, sex and hypnosis
to create programmed assassins with no thought of self
preservation from suitable individuals, ala Charlie Manson.
It is only a short step to domestic suicide bombers AKA
organic smart bombs -- some assembly required. Even worse
would be to discover that some combination of chemicals in
junk foods and/or the environment [insecticides?] eliminate
the normal drive for self preservation and promote hyper
aggression, ala steroids/roid rage in some people}

What ever the outcome of the tests and evaluations he must
never be allowed loose.

Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


So what do you do if he does have a brain tumor? Is he actually
responsible for his actions if a tumor ate part of his brain???


Convict/Youbetcherass. Is anyone less dead from a tumor-related
shooting? Just nuke 'em for a zero recidivism rate.

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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me
that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were
anywhere near, though.


Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?


You got it in one.


I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a


Really? Amazing.


Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.


What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she
wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did?

--
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will
preserve for our children this, the last best hope
of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me
that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were
anywhere near, though.


Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?


You got it in one.


I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a


Really? Amazing.


Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.


What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she
wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did?


If you carry a weapon in your purse..your draw time is in
...well..minutes.

However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away.
Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear
wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it.

(which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s)

And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO.....

"Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in
Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio
personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was
informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well
managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further
pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more
problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works
for Pima County."

And when is that Pima County sheriff going to be booted out of office?

I just watched the clown on an interview with ABC or similar..an utter
idiot....

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/201...ughner-threat/

http://minx.cc/?post=310494


#
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January 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm

There is a term which may apply here if this is true it’s “Dangerously
Incompetent”.
#
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January 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm

His mother (the shooter's) works for the Pima County Board of
Supervisors…so it’s definitely plausible.



Id have to say that Sheriff Dupnick is not long for his office....
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not.


I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon.

It's no surprise to me
that no other guns were present.


That is not the case, there was at least one armed civilian present,
indeed one who helped tackle the perp. He determined that drawing his
weapon was not the best option. We probably won't even know how many
other civilians present were armed and also determined that drawing
their weapons was not the best option.

I was surprised that no cops were
anywhere near, though.


Presumably they were off hunting doughnuts, speeders or some other
worthy task.


Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?


You got it in one.

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a


Really? Amazing.

Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.


What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she
wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did?


The perp always has the element of surprise.
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Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not.


I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon.


Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear
from your posts..you are well Right of center.

Of course..based on the current DNC members...Trotsky and Ingles were
right of center.....and they carried guns too.....


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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a
small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American
congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others,
including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be
known for.
The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance
person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional
people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely.


So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the
Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers
down.

And WTF? These law enforcement officers who are now opining politically.
Why aren't they addressing the fact that they let this guy be a bully and
terrorist for a long time, and nothing was done about it? They're law
enforcement officers, not political spokespeople. They were lousy at police
work, and I don't think they'd be any better at politics, although they
couldn't do any worse than the current crop.

Divisive political rhetoric? Do you know that "rhetoric" is the keyword du
jour with the press and government today, being used hundreds of times by
different people, just as if they were e mailed the keyword du jour by some
unknown director?

Steve


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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?

==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)



What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.

Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner


Maybe neither she nor anyone in the crowd had a clear shot without
unacceptable risk of collateral casualty.


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And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO.....

"Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in
Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio
personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff's Office was
informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well
managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further
pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more
problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works
for Pima County."


My daughter was being threatened by gang girls in her junior year in
high school. For the last three months of the school year, we home schooled
her. Then for her final year, she went to a new satellite school for
talented students.

When I went to police and school officials and told them of the threats to
her, they said, "If the girls do anything to her, they will be in trouble."
Excuse me. Do I have to wait until she is maimed or killed before you will
do anything? Apparently so.

There were two girls. The brother of one was killed by a homeowner in a
home invasion. The brother of the other was killed at a convenience store
in a drive-by. They were serious gangsters.

At times, you can not defend yourself without letting the perpetrators
injure you. And, as with the Arizona shooter, there is nothing that police
or teachers or the system can or will do to the perpetrator who is
terrorizing people and acting a jerk.

But, boy, once they kill some people, now they're in trouble!

Trouble is that people are unnecessarily dead.

Steve



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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:08:39 -0600, "Pete C."
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Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not.


I'm not a conservative (or liberal) and I carry a weapon.


Perhaps you dont think of yourself as "conservative" but it would appear
from your posts..you are well Right of center.

Of course..based on the current DNC members...Trotsky and Ingles were
right of center.....and they carried guns too.....


IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII PREDICTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a
small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American
congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others,
including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be
known for.
The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance
person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional
people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely.


So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the
Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers
down.

And WTF? These law enforcement officers who are now opining politically.
Why aren't they addressing the fact that they let this guy be a bully and
terrorist for a long time, and nothing was done about it? They're law
enforcement officers, not political spokespeople. They were lousy at
police work, and I don't think they'd be any better at politics, although
they couldn't do any worse than the current crop.

Divisive political rhetoric? Do you know that "rhetoric" is the keyword
du jour with the press and government today, being used hundreds of times
by different people, just as if they were e mailed the keyword du jour by
some unknown director?

Steve


It seems this sheriff is diverting attention from his failure to do his job.
Next time I screw-up miserably I'll just blame Rush.


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So, let's stop all free speech. That ought to fix it, right? Shut the
Internet down. Shut newsgroups down. Shut radio down. Shut newspapers
down.
Steve


No.....free speech must be ended AND all citizens must be disarmed.
Only then can we have the resurrection of the Hitlerian model of the
all powerful God-State which we must worship. All graces flow from the
magnificence of the "Dear Leader". Prostrate yourself before the
divinity of the New World Order......or line up for a bullet in the
back of your head courtesy of your slave masters.
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What I have feared in the USA, based on the highly polarized political
rhetoric I've heard here and on other newsgroups has happened, in a
small (relatively) way in Tuscon yesterday. The attack on an American
congresswoman, and the death of a federal judge and 5 others,
including an innocent 9 year old girl, is NOT what America wants to be
known for.
The divisive political rhetoric can so easily trip an off-balance
person to do horrific things - and put many otherwise functional
people off-balance - making these occurrences more likely.

In this case the perp was captured alive so there is a CHANCE what
causes this one to go off may be established - kinda hard to do when
they kill themselves or are gunned down by LEOs

Pray for the USA.


****, you guys have got a REALLY GREAT political system......and you
got Nukes too, truly frightening for the rest of the world....

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"Wes" wrote in message
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Gunner Asch wrote:

Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?

Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on.
Friendlies
in the way.

Wes
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"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller


It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when
they
tackled him.

A 30 rd extended magazine.

It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does.

Gunner


Only if you care where they are going.

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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:51:58 -0800, Larry Jaques
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:04:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:47:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


Until a complete physical and psych workup is done, we are
just like the radical left making assumptions and crying for
gun confiscation as a cure all/panacea.


And then we dust off ole Sparky?
==========

Possibly...

For one thing think of the costs involved. Because of the
US byzantine appeals system, it now costs more to ice a cold
blooded killer than the keep him locked up for life, even if
he is 22 years old.

For another thing, it would be very helpful for profilers,
forensic psychiatrists, security specialists, etc. to have a
real live captive shooter to observe and talk to, even if he
is just another "bad ass looser," was on bad dope or has
some sort of a brain tumor. "Long-haired pot smoking hippy"
is not much more to build a
preventative/predictave/protective program on than "ban all
guns."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)


What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Liberals, who don't generally own guns, flock to liberal speakers.
Conservatives, who -do- carry weapons, do not. It's no surprise to me
that no other guns were present. I was surprised that no cops were
anywhere near, though.


Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats trying to look
PC?


You got it in one.


I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while she was a


Really? Amazing.


Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else in the crowd
apparently was as smart.


What do you want to bet that even if she'd seen him coming, she
wouldn't have been able to draw and fire before he did?


If you carry a weapon in your purse..your draw time is in
..well..minutes.

However the rest of the group could simply have blown his **** away.
Based on photos and depictions of the scene..he attacked from the rear
wiith a "dangerous Glock 19 9mm" with a 30 round magazine in it.

(which reminds me..half the cops I know carry Glock 19s..the rest 1911s)


Isn't fast-firing easier in a well-built weapon like a 19, Gunner?
Every time I hear a doubletap from a Glock, it sounds like a full-auto
startin' up, with no more than 1/4 of a second elapsed for both shots.
My ears twitch.


And on a further note..that nutball in charge of the Pima County SO.....

"Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in
Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio
personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was
informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well
managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further
pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more
problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works
for Pima County."

And when is that Pima County sheriff going to be booted out of office?


Id have to say that Sheriff Dupnick is not long for his office....


He could always apply for that office in D.C., eh? They tend to "hire
the handicapped."

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of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take
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Good thing he was white. If he were illegally here, and
Mexican national. The cops would have had him charged and
released in less than an hour.

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What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally
armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.


Not the appropriate response given the situation. Reports
have it that
one of the people who tackled the perp was indeed carrying
and
determined that tackling the perp was the best response.
From what I've
heard, that was the correct decision given the perp was in
the middle of
a crowd.

They guy who sat on him said if he'd given any trouble he'd
have shot
him, but he figured he was worth more to the cops alive than
dead.


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Imagine the headlines, the next day.

"Shooting score!
Perp: 1
Armed Citizen 17.
Armed citizen returns fire on shooter. Kills shooter
plus 16 bystanders."

Nevermind, that the nutcase had killed 18 people,
they would blame all the deaths on the good citizen.

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What fascinates me...is that given the numbers of legally
armed citizens
in Aridzona..no one simply shot the *******.

Or was this the result of it being a group of Democrats
trying to look
PC?

I understand that the lady did carry a weapon, so while
she was a
Democrat..she was a smart one. Unfortunately no one else
in the crowd
apparently was as smart.

Shrug

Gunner

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count on having both at once."
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It is a shame you were not there Gummy, I can see it now,
you standing
there with a pile of casings at your feet, and the congress
woman with a
through and through wound. esp. with a dead perp... it
sure would have
been quieter around here.


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Gunner Asch wrote:

Now how did he manage to get off 30 shots and not get shot before having
to reload?

Crowd. Distance from perp. Time to figure what is going on.
Friendlies
in the way.

Wes
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"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

It was an extended magazine. He was trying to load his second one when
they
tackled him.

A 30 rd extended magazine.

It takes a while to punch out that many rounds...really it does.

Gunner


Only if you care where they are going.


And even then 60 seconds max. Two seconds is a lot of time to re-aim.
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