On this day of rememberance lets not forget the men and women that are
doing an outstanding job of sending terrorists to paradise. You can show
your support for the troops in harms way by sending a care package.

"Sometimes, a care package is perfect. Once -- I won't say where -- I
watched a tentmate open up a box that contained a bottle of Skyy vodka, and
the look on his face rivaled the boy's in A Christmas Story when he is
finally united with his Red Ryder Carbine-Action Range Model Air Rifle. Of
course, that came from a friend, not an anonymous patriot, but other, more
licit luxuries can be just as welcome."

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...507/#toggleBio

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Sep 11, 8:10*pm, "azotic" wrote:


"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

On Sep 11, 6:42*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:10*pm, "azotic" wrote:



"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

Quite likely because no fire is used in it's use. This is the reason
it is acceptable to use in most areas of chem plants as well where
smoking is not. That red dot from a lit cig may be a perfect target
for a sniper and/or give away your location

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
...
On Sep 11, 8:10 pm, "azotic" wrote:


"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

A lit cigarette or cigar is very visable at night, especially if you have
night vision goggles or an IR scope.

I would also like to thank all our allies for the sacrifices they have made
for the war on terror.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Sep 11, 10:56*pm, "azotic" wrote:
"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message

...
On Sep 11, 8:10 pm, "azotic" wrote:



"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

A lit cigarette or cigar is very visable at night, especially if you have
night vision goggles or an IR scope.

I would also like to thank all our allies for the sacrifices they have made
for the war on terror.

Best Regards
Tom.

Gerry, Tom -
Tnks re the tobacco question - would have been blatantly obvious if I
had thought about it. Not sure, but I think the Health Police here
has managed to ban chewing tobacco - I know they banned snuff years
ago....

Andrew VK3BFA.

"azotic" wrote:

A lit cigarette or cigar is very visable at night, especially if you have
night vision goggles or an IR scope.


Not only that, a non-smoker can smell a smoker from a distance depending on winds.

Wes

On Sep 11, 3:10*am, "azotic" wrote:
On this day of rememberance lets not forget the men and women that are
doing an outstanding job of sending terrorists to paradise. You can show
your support for the troops in harms way by sending a care package.

"Sometimes, a care package is perfect. Once -- I won't say where -- I
watched a tentmate open up a box that contained a bottle of Skyy vodka, and
the look on his face rivaled the boy's in A Christmas Story when he is
finally united with his Red Ryder Carbine-Action Range Model Air Rifle. Of
course, that came from a friend, not an anonymous patriot, but other, more
licit luxuries can be just as welcome."

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...9/the-bizarre-...

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks for the reminder, Tom. We send packages to specific individuals
through our church. One was always sent to our nephew.

Our older son was in the Army for 11 years and volunteered for the the
first Gulf War. He has a picture of what happens to those packages
sent to any troop. The picture was of a high chain link fenced area an
acre or more in size filled with boxes. They just tossed the boxes
over the fence into the area. Folks back home never knew. So, if you
send boxes to the troops, be specific!!!!!

Paul, KD7HB

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 04:42:58 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote:

On Sep 11, 8:10*pm, "azotic" wrote:


"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

Dip is NOT chewing tobacco.

Not even close.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

" wrote:

"Sometimes, a care package is perfect. Once -- I won't say where -- I
watched a tentmate open up a box that contained a bottle of Skyy vodka, and
the look on his face rivaled the boy's in A Christmas Story when he is
finally united with his Red Ryder Carbine-Action Range Model Air Rifle. Of
course, that came from a friend, not an anonymous patriot, but other, more
licit luxuries can be just as welcome."

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...9/the-bizarre-...

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks for the reminder, Tom. We send packages to specific individuals
through our church. One was always sent to our nephew.

Our older son was in the Army for 11 years and volunteered for the the
first Gulf War. He has a picture of what happens to those packages
sent to any troop. The picture was of a high chain link fenced area an
acre or more in size filled with boxes. They just tossed the boxes
over the fence into the area. Folks back home never knew. So, if you
send boxes to the troops, be specific!!!!!


That sucks.

As to the alky content of the thread. Sending a bottle of booze isn't going to go over
well afikt. It is a Muslim country so we are honoring there prohibition on booze. I'll
have to ask a recent hire that served in both Iraq and Afghanistan if that is real policy
in actuality.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:07:33 -0400, Wes
wrote:

"azotic" wrote:

A lit cigarette or cigar is very visable at night, especially if you have
night vision goggles or an IR scope.

Not only that, a non-smoker can smell a smoker from a distance depending on winds.

After smoking, at least 50'; w/ lit cig, over 1/4 mile. And that's
just me in the big city.

LRPs could smell 'em for 10 times that distance after being out in the
jungle for awhile, so I'm told.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

After smoking, at least 50'; w/ lit cig, over 1/4 mile. And that's
just me in the big city.

LRPs could smell 'em for 10 times that distance after being out in the
jungle for awhile, so I'm told.

It might be total bs but books I read indicated that those that did long range recon ate
what the enemy ate so the enemy wouldn't smell them. I've never noticed food smells on
people so I'm a bit skeptical. Maybe they wanted compatable farts

I believe it. If I were trampin' around 50 kliks behend enemy lines,
I'd sure as hell want my crap smelling just like theirs. I'm sure the
body odors also changed with the fishhead'n'rice diet. And LRPs shot
dropped AKs so their shots wouldn't be heard as enemy fire. I
understand that ended after we started adding C4 to 7.62x39 cartridges
and dropping it for the enemy to pick up.

--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:01:54 -0700 (PDT), Gerry
wrote:

On Sep 11, 6:42*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:10*pm, "azotic" wrote:



"Sometimes, a care package is perfect.
Best Regards
Tom.

Thanks Tom for the care package suggestion - we Australians have
troops in Afghanistan, and irrespective of the politics they deserve
honour and respect for doing their duty for their country under
difficult and dangerous conditions. I have emailed Defense here in Oz
to see if I can send such a package.

BTW - looked up the tobacco reference - why chewing tobacco, not heard
of anyone here using it. Is there some (military) reason why this is
preferable to cigarettes? The irony is, of course, that smoking is bad
for your health, but I guess the front line guys have more pressing
things to worry about.........

Andrew VK3BFA.

Quite likely because no fire is used in it's use. This is the reason
it is acceptable to use in most areas of chem plants as well where
smoking is not. That red dot from a lit cig may be a perfect target
for a sniper and/or give away your location

I'm not sure about the current Meals Ready to Eat but the old "C"
Rations included cigarettes in several of the meals.

In addition, at least in Vietnam (my last war) cigarettes were freely
available to the troops, both front line and support troops.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

After smoking, at least 50'; w/ lit cig, over 1/4 mile. And that's
just me in the big city.

LRPs could smell 'em for 10 times that distance after being out in the
jungle for awhile, so I'm told.

It might be total bs but books I read indicated that those that did long range recon ate
what the enemy ate so the enemy wouldn't smell them. I've never noticed food smells on
people so I'm a bit skeptical. Maybe they wanted compatable farts

Wes

I don't know about the regular Army or Marine patrols but I do know
that Special Forces were supplied with normal US Army rations during
their long range penetrations of Cambodia.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:21:04 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

After smoking, at least 50'; w/ lit cig, over 1/4 mile. And that's
just me in the big city.

LRPs could smell 'em for 10 times that distance after being out in the
jungle for awhile, so I'm told.

It might be total bs but books I read indicated that those that did long range recon ate
what the enemy ate so the enemy wouldn't smell them. I've never noticed food smells on
people so I'm a bit skeptical. Maybe they wanted compatable farts

Wes

Its not just the farts, but skin extrusions such as sweat. And yes...we
did eat what Chuck ate so we would blend in better. On the other
hand..after tuning our bodies to Chucks chemistry..we couldnt smell him
either.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:10:39 -0700, azotic wrote:

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Or, we could simply call off the Crusades, and there wouldn't _BE_
any radical jihadists.

Thanks,
Rich

On 9/14/2010 4:37 PM, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:10:39 -0700, azotic wrote:

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Or, we could simply call off the Crusades, and there wouldn't _BE_
any radical jihadists.

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:38:22 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:
On 9/14/2010 4:37 PM, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:10:39 -0700, azotic wrote:

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Or, we could simply call off the Crusades, and there wouldn't _BE_
any radical jihadists.

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

No, they consider it their duty to kill us becausee we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

You're no better than the terrorists, sitting there whipping up blind
hatred.

Thanks,
Rich

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:38:22 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:
On 9/14/2010 4:37 PM, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:10:39 -0700, azotic wrote:

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Or, we could simply call off the Crusades, and there wouldn't _BE_
any radical jihadists.

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

No, they consider it their duty to kill us becausee we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

The answer is C: Both of the above.

_Now_ what do we do?


--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

On 9/16/2010 10:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:04:35 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:44:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:38:22 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:
On 9/14/2010 4:37 PM, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:10:39 -0700, azotic wrote:

Supporting our troops is the best way to defeat the radical jihadist.

Or, we could simply call off the Crusades, and there wouldn't _BE_
any radical jihadists.

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

No, they consider it their duty to kill us because we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

They haven't gotten over that silly Crusades nonsense?

What invasion force was it that prompted the first WTC bombing? That was
about the time we were bombing Serbs for trying to exterminate muslims IIRC


--
I can see November from my front porch

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

No, they consider it their duty to kill us becausee we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

You're no better than the terrorists, sitting there whipping up blind
hatred.

Thanks,
Rich

Rich keeps forgettting that the tangos have been killing Americans
long...long...long before we sent a single troop to the middle east.

They started killing Yanks because we were supporting Israel with money
and materials.

But Rich does tend to forget a lot of things.......


Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

In your dreams.

They consider it their duty to kill us just because we are not muslims.

No, they consider it their duty to kill us becausee we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

You're no better than the terrorists, sitting there whipping up blind
hatred.

Thanks,
Rich

Rich keeps forgettting that the tangos have been killing Americans
long...long...long before we sent a single troop to the middle east.

They started killing Yanks because we were supporting Israel with money
and materials.

But Rich does tend to forget a lot of things.......


Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:39:42 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:04:35 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Got any suggestions?

Um, I suppose they could just start the Great Cull, huh?

What's that, exterminate everybody who doesn't bow down and kiss the
ass of Der Fuehrer?

Thanks,
Rich

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:49:16 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It might just turn out to be a 'so-so' cull, since libtards are
always shocked and in awe of their lies. ;-)

So, are you saying that your "Final Answer" is to simply exterminate
everybody who disagrees with you?

Thanks,
Rich

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:03:15 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

No, they consider it their duty to kill us because we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

They haven't gotten over that silly Crusades nonsense?

What invasion force was it that prompted the first WTC bombing? That was
about the time we were bombing Serbs for trying to exterminate muslims IIRC

Ah, thank you for this. Sadly, it seems Americans have an attention span
of about seven and a half seconds.

Sigh.
Rich

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:21:43 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

Rich keeps forgettting that the tangos have been killing Americans
long...long...long before we sent a single troop to the middle east.

They started killing Yanks because we were supporting Israel with money
and materials.

Yeah - we were supporting Israel, in their attacks on their neighbors.

So, we took first blood, through our Jew (Zionist) proxies.

Thanks for finally owning up to the facts.

Cheers!
Rich

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:01:56 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.

Yeah, well, I can still walk to the mailbox without whining about
it.

And, you might not like the way I think, but at least I think,
rather than parrot the party line like a broken tape recorder.

Thanks,
Rich

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:49:16 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It might just turn out to be a 'so-so' cull, since libtards are
always shocked and in awe of their lies. ;-)

So, are you saying that your "Final Answer" is to simply exterminate
everybody who disagrees with you?


No, but that appears to be your 'solution', since you keep bring it
up.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:03:15 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:19:18 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

No, they consider it their duty to kill us because we've sent armed
invasion forces to their country effectively making war on their religion.

They haven't gotten over that silly Crusades nonsense?

What invasion force was it that prompted the first WTC bombing? That was
about the time we were bombing Serbs for trying to exterminate muslims IIRC

Ah, thank you for this. Sadly, it seems Americans have an attention span
of about seven and a half seconds.


That's what decades of drug and alchol abuse has done to you.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:01:56 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.

Yeah, well, I can still walk to the mailbox without whining about
it.


Yawn. All that proves is that you're too drunk to notice reality.


And, you might not like the way I think, but at least I think,
rather than parrot the party line like a broken tape recorder.


What party, idiot? I belong to no party.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:15:43 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:21:43 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

Rich keeps forgettting that the tangos have been killing Americans
long...long...long before we sent a single troop to the middle east.

They started killing Yanks because we were supporting Israel with money
and materials.

Yeah - we were supporting Israel, in their attacks on their neighbors.

So, we took first blood, through our Jew (Zionist) proxies.

"through our Jew (Zionist) proxies"

Fascinating choice of terms...indeed.

Sounds like something straight from www.vanguard.com

I think we can figure out where you are coming from, cant we?


Thanks for finally owning up to the facts.

These facts?




September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners
taking off from various locations in the United States in a coordinated
suicide attack. In separate attacks, two of the airliners crash into the
twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, which catch fire
and eventually collapse. A third airliner crashes into the Pentagon in
Washington, DC, causing extensive damage. The fourth airliner, also
believed to be heading towards Washington, DC, crashes outside
Shanksville, PA., killing all 45 people on board. Casualty estimates
from New York put the possible death toll close to 5,000, while as many
as 200 people may have been lost at the Pentagon crash site.

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the
port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi,
Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among
the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In
Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77
injured.

In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in
Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships
in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were
fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets
in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise
missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in
Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making
chemical weapons.

June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy
in Beirut.

July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in
Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air
force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel
are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded,
including 240 Americans.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people,
five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard
training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and
"Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.

April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in
Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking
garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding
1,042.

Dec. 21, 1988 - A bomb destroys Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. All
259 people aboard the Boeing 747 are killed including 189 Americans, as
are 11 people on the ground.

April 1986 - An explosion damages a TWA flight as it prepares to land in
Athens, Greece. Four people are killed when they are sucked out of the
aircraft.

April 5, 1986 - A bomb destroys the LaBelle discotheque in West Berlin.
The disco was known to be frequented by U.S. servicemen. The attack
kills one American and one German woman and wounds 150, including 44
Americans

In response, on April 15 the United States retaliated in an operation
dubbed ‘El Dorado Canyon.’ Approximately 100 aircraft were launched in
direct support of the raid. It was an attack against military targets
involving land-based bombers from Great Britain together with
carrier-based air strikes from ships in the Gulf of Sidra.

December 1985 - Simultaneous suicide attacks are carried out against
U.S. and Israeli check-in desks at Rome and Vienna international
airports. 20 people are killed in the two attacks, including four
terrorists.

November 1985 - Hijackers aboard an Egyptair flight kill one American.
Egyptian commandos later storm the aircraft on the isle of Malta, and 60
people are killed.

October 1985 - Palestinian terrorists hijack the cruise liner Achille
Lauro (in response to the Israeli attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia)
Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American, is killed and
thrown overboard.

August 1985 - A car bomb at a U.S. military base in Frankfurt, Germany
kills two and injures 20. A U.S. soldier murdered for his identity
papers is found a day after the explosion.

June 1985 - A TWA airliner is hijacked over the Mediterranean, the start
of a two-week hostage ordeal. The last 39 passengers are eventually
released in Damascus after being held in various locations in Beirut.

June 1985 - In San Salvador, El Salvador, 13 people are killed in a
machine gun attack at an outdoor café, including four U.S. Marines and
two American businessmen.

April 1985 - A bomb explodes in a restaurant near a U.S. air base in
Madrid, Spain, killing 18, all Spaniards, and wounding 82, including 15
Americans.

November 1984 - A bomb attack on the U.S. embassy in Bogota, Colombia
kills a passer-by. The attack was preceded by death threats against U.S.
officials by drug traffickers.

October 1983 - A suicide car bomb attack against the U.S. Marine
barracks in Beirut kills 241 servicemen. A simultaneous attack on a
French base kills 58 paratroopers.

April 1983 - A suicide car bombing against the U.S. embassy in Beirut
kills 63, including 17 Americans.


1982
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon
by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were
eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.


1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S.
embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52
were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.



Cheers!
Rich


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:17:03 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:01:56 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.

Yeah, well, I can still walk to the mailbox without whining about
it.

Do your feet ever touch the ground while in route?

And, you might not like the way I think, but at least I think,
rather than parrot the party line like a broken tape recorder.

Thanks,
Rich


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:17:03 -0700, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:01:56 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.

Yeah, well, I can still walk to the mailbox without whining about
it.

Do your feet ever touch the ground while in route?


How would he know?


And, you might not like the way I think, but at least I think,
rather than parrot the party line like a broken tape recorder.

Thanks,
Rich

I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:01:56 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Just like Rich has done to his poor neurons with pot & vodka.

Yeah, well, I can still walk to the mailbox without whining about
it.

And, you might not like the way I think, but at least I think,
rather than parrot the party line like a broken tape recorder.

Thanks,
Rich



You only think you are thinking.

Like most people you are merely rearranging your prejudices.



Richard - the Other One



"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging
their prejudices." William James

Study fallacy so that you can learn how to spot it, so you can eliminate it from
your thinking.

Also, never be afraid to argue the same points in circles. They aren't really
circles, they are the slow hard work of learning.

Keep in mind also that one of the best ways to learn something well is to teach
it. When you stand back and look at it, over time, you'll see that its actually
a slowly upward winding spiral. One key aspect of this spiral is that as you go
round and round, when you come across parts that you may not know, that you
aren't sure of, etc... rather than pretend you know what you are talking about,
or ignore it, or use subterfuge and what not to hold on to your ego, instead go
look those pieces up.

In that is where the genius of discussion resides.