On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:53:37 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 02:16 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:27:34 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of
water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air
bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents
are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the
middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

I've never seen a steam radiator. The water ones in the UK require
manual venting. And most of the air in my system gets jammed in the
pump, stopping the whole system from producing any heat. Then I have to
clamber up into the attic and release the air from a struggling pump,
which is probably damaging itself.


You don't have steam heat in Scotland or you've never run into it
personally?
Dullest knife in the drawer wouldn't know the difference - but steam
heat for residences is pretty much history over here too. You almost
need to be a stationary engineer to operate a boiler system - with
frequent inspections etc.

Two types too, single line and circulating.

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:45:38 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 10:44 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 04:13:38 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

What do you mean they have air vents?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0VQOZqiw7U

One picture... It's steam, not hot water. The steam flows to the
radiator and the condensate returns to the boiler. When the boiler shuts
down the system fills with air. The air has to be bled to allow the
steam to reach the radiator, hence the air vent. In theory when the air
is all vented the valve shuts off; in practice the damn things can
whistle like a tea kettle.




and hot water system radiators have 2 pipes and NO vent. There is a
single vent at the boiler along with the auto-fill valve and the
accumulator (like a pressure tank on a well pump)
The 2 pipe steam systems also did not have automatic bleader vents
from my recollection.

Proper design and installation of a steam heating system is something
of a "black art" with numerous different strategies used for both one
pipe and s pipe systems.

See
http://www.gogeisel.com/geiselonline...s_1_2_Pipe.pdf
for more than you EVER wanted to knpw about steam heat!!!!!

On 5/9/2018 11:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:53:37 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 02:16 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:27:34 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of
water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air
bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents
are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the
middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

I've never seen a steam radiator. The water ones in the UK require
manual venting. And most of the air in my system gets jammed in the
pump, stopping the whole system from producing any heat. Then I have to
clamber up into the attic and release the air from a struggling pump,
which is probably damaging itself.


You don't have steam heat in Scotland or you've never run into it
personally?
Dullest knife in the drawer wouldn't know the difference - but steam
heat for residences is pretty much history over here too. You almost
need to be a stationary engineer to operate a boiler system - with
frequent inspections etc.

Two types too, single line and circulating.


I used to have a license for operating high pressure steam boilers up
500 HP. In the right place, steam is the superior choice for heat
because you can move it long distances. We used is for process in our
machines. For home use, it is really not that practical and can be a
bit fussy.

Forced air is good if properly conditioned. That means filtered,
humidified, properly distributed. Many fall short in proper duct work
and balance.

Hot water is good in that piping is easier to run to a lot of places
where ducting would be difficult and is easily zoned.

Bulding design and fuel options are really what determines what is best
in a given situation.

On Wed, 9 May 2018 18:25:41 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 17:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:05:21 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/08/2018 01:51 PM, wrote:
OTOH those people die here when it is 90f 90r/h and they brag about
jogging when it is 105 on Phoenix. I can be out there in the afternoon
mixing concrete in a wheelbarrow.

If humans were supposed to live in 90%+ humidity we would still have
gills.

We're 90% water anyway aren't we?

About 60%
Varies a bit. Fat is 10%, muscle is 75%, so lean muscular people are
a higher percentage of water by weight than flabby fat people

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:35:43 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 10:43 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:05:21 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/08/2018 01:51 PM, wrote:
OTOH those people die here when it is 90f 90r/h and they brag about
jogging when it is 105 on Phoenix. I can be out there in the afternoon
mixing concrete in a wheelbarrow.

If humans were supposed to live in 90%+ humidity we would still have
gills.

We're 90% water anyway aren't we?


And you've never been to Houston in the summertime either...

Or visited Victoria Falls in October - - - - - - - RH exceding 100%

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:28:19 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 10:42 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 04:16:29 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/08/2018 01:39 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
I don't see how the queen is relevant, but like most of the UK
population I wish the parasite would go away. She's not in power, the
prime minister is. She does nothing and gets paid millions for it.

Your dysfunctional royals are good for the tourist trade. How many
pounds will Harry's trip to the slave quarters net?

I don't believe that. I'm sure the same number of tourists would come
here without the royals being here. You don't come to the UK just to
see royals, you come for another reason and see them while you're here.


Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, and all that fusty ****e doesn't
draw tourists? I suppose you wouldn't necessarily need living royals.
For that matter people apparently shell out money to get in the
proximity of a dead one.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-pound-revamp/

Why else would someone submit themselves to the agony of Heathrow?


Believe me, there's worse!!!!!!

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:48:16 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 05/09/2018 03:07 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 22:02:59 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-5, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:48:34 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 2:27:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod
wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen)
being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow
of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an
air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they
didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the
vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in
the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we
had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

There were steam radiators at the old Catholic Parochial gulag I
attended in the 1950's and as I recall the vent on the side of the
radiators was always hissing and spitting out a bit of steam. Then
the diocese built a modern new school that had through the wall units
under the windows. I don't recall if they were AC units since it was
a long time ago but come to think of it, it was cooler during the
summer months inside the new school. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

Replying to your sig.... were you tortured by priests when younger?
--
No, I was tortured by nuns. My first-grade teacher was an American nun
named Sister Godzilla then in the second grade, the diocese imported
Irish nuns who believe in capital punishment for small children. I had
it rough as a kid. The priests were never mean to me. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

Sounds fun to me, why are you objecting?

The nuns were all 93 years old and it was hard to work up a BDSM fantasy....

The Irish nuns weren't that old and I escaped their clutches by the fourth grade and headed off to government schools. I later found out that some of the nuns quit the order along with some of the priests who quit the priesthood and the bunch got married. The sex drive inside strong it is. ummmm - Yoda ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Yoda Monster

On 05/09/2018 09:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I used to have a license for operating high pressure steam boilers up
500 HP. In the right place, steam is the superior choice for heat
because you can move it long distances. We used is for process in our
machines. For home use, it is really not that practical and can be a
bit fussy.

https://www.rpi.edu/dept/physical_plant/boiler/

Apparently the boiler is still alive and well. There was a network of
utility tunnels throughout the campus and as a plus some of the
sidewalks stayed snow free. Of course, students weren't supposed to be
in the tunnels. One memorable evening I had a Kampus Kop yelling 'Stop
or I'll shoot!'. I chose not to believe him and kept on going. My
leather jacket came away second best with scars from collisions with
various sharp brackets.

Many of the buildings were from the 1904-1916 era with the physical
plant to match.

On 09/05/2018 21:47, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 4:16:12 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:27:34 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

I've never seen a steam radiator. The water ones in the UK require manual venting. And most of the air in my system gets jammed in the pump, stopping the whole system from producing any heat. Then I have to clamber up into the attic and release the air from a struggling pump, which is probably damaging itself.

So, not better than forced air, then.

Cindy Hamilton

Our water based CH doesn't get any air in it. If plumbed in properly, it
won't let any air in.

--
Bod

On 09/05/2018 22:02, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-5, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:48:34 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 2:27:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

There were steam radiators at the old Catholic Parochial gulag I attended in the 1950's and as I recall the vent on the side of the radiators was always hissing and spitting out a bit of steam. Then the diocese built a modern new school that had through the wall units under the windows. I don't recall if they were AC units since it was a long time ago but come to think of it, it was cooler during the summer months inside the new school. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

Replying to your sig.... were you tortured by priests when younger?
--


No, I was tortured by nuns. My first-grade teacher was an American nun named Sister Godzilla then in the second grade, the diocese imported Irish nuns who believe in capital punishment for small children. I had it rough as a kid. The priests were never mean to me. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

"capital punishment" They used to kill children!!!!!?

--
Bod

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:58:56 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 09/05/2018 22:02, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-5, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:48:34 +0100, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 2:27:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

There were steam radiators at the old Catholic Parochial gulag I attended in the 1950's and as I recall the vent on the side of the radiators was always hissing and spitting out a bit of steam. Then the diocese built a modern new school that had through the wall units under the windows. I don't recall if they were AC units since it was a long time ago but come to think of it, it was cooler during the summer months inside the new school. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

Replying to your sig.... were you tortured by priests when younger?
--
No, I was tortured by nuns. My first-grade teacher was an American nun named Sister Godzilla then in the second grade, the diocese imported Irish nuns who believe in capital punishment for small children. I had it rough as a kid. The priests were never mean to me. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

"capital punishment" They used to kill children!!!!!?
--
Bod

An exaggeration. They just made you wish you were dead. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Killed Monster

On Wed, 09 May 2018 22:29:16 -0400, , the mentally
challenged, notorious, troll-feeding retard, blabbered again:


This was just a momentary thing as the compressor cycled down, not a
constant vibration. The new ones don't really do that. These were old
piston compressors that were huge compared to the ones today. A 1 ton
window shaker weighed over 150 pounds and ran on 240v. Now you can get
an inverter model that weighs about 80 pounds and runs on 120 @ 8.25a
(990w).

Is it you again, you retarded piece of troll-feeding Yankie ****?

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:21:43 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


'A Divine Image' William Blake

"Blake"??? LOL Don't you get above your station, you abysmally stupid
troll-feeding Yankietard!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:50:48 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


Obviously you've never been to a Catholic school. I presume there must
be young nuns but I think they keep them back at the convent scrubbing
floors until they reach 65 and are allowed to teach.

That's a much better fate than ending up on Usenet sucking troll cock like
you keep doing, cocksucking lowbrowman!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:48:57 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


The nuns were all 93 years old and it was hard to work up a BDSM fantasy...

No surprise then that you prefer to suck the unwashed Scottish ******'s cock
in your old age, senile Yankietard! LOL

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:53:37 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:



You don't have steam heat in Scotland or you've never run into it
personally?

That's what he said, oh senile one!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:45:38 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


One picture... It's steam, not hot water. The steam flows to the
radiator and the condensate returns to the boiler. When the boiler shuts
down the system fills with air. The air has to be bled to allow the
steam to reach the radiator, hence the air vent. In theory when the air
is all vented the valve shuts off; in practice the damn things can
whistle like a tea kettle.

That was a very nice explanation, lowbrowman! You may suck his cock now
again, cocksucker!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:55:16 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:



Redneck humidifier.

Redneck cocksucker you are!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 15:57:40 -0700 (PDT), Auntie Senile Moron drooled and
drivele again:



The CNA's help me bathe on a regular basis so I'm actually quite clean. ^_^

You NEED that a lot, especially after you sucked off your Scottish ******,
senile auntie!

{8~{} Auntie Lonely Moron

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:18:14 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:

What would they be willing to do to/for me?


Castrate you probably. I wouldn't mess with grrl power.

That's the very reason why you and your Scottish ****** will "stick"
together! BG

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:16:28 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:



you are amusing enough that you're not in the Bozo Bin with Pigeon Ass,
Traitor_4, Bodkin, Storming Moron, Peeler, and the rest of the broken
records.

lowbrowman, are just another absolutely pathetic cocksucking Yankie COWARD
hiding behind his pretend killfile (just like your Scottish ******)! LOL

BTW, your "killfile" won't help you a bit! I will keep slapping you around
on ahr until you croak (in real life)! Understood?

On Wed, 9 May 2018 21:06:18 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:

While it's running?!?


Power outage? Running?

More like brain outage, with BOTH of you! BG

On Wed, 9 May 2018 21:01:49 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


by and said "Pink and blue! Is this for a nursery?'

"Pink and blue"??? No surprise with a gay cocksucker like you though,
lowbrowman!

On Wed, 09 May 2018 19:33:53 -0400, , the mentally
challenged, notorious, troll-feeding retard, blabbered again:

Those were built before we invented this crazy idea that we must be cosy
all the time. Humans are warm blooded.

I am pretty much that way.

The Scottish ****** keeps warm by wanking. YOU Yankie cocksucker keep warm
by sucking his cock. One certainly gets that impression here! LOL

On Wed, 09 May 2018 21:15:11 -0400, , the mentally
challenged, notorious, troll-feeding retard, blabbered again:


If I was actually skiing I would have socks and boots but that was
plenty to just watch the kids ski.

You two disgusting fags definitely need to get a hotel room now.

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:35:43 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:



And you've never been to Houston in the summertime either...

About time you invited him over there! Then you can suck him off in real
life then, lowbrowman! BG

On Wed, 9 May 2018 21:04:59 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:

Smell better? You mean less BO? Or an increased ability to detect
things with your nose?


Detect things with your nose.

Like the Scottish ******'s "special" smell that you seem to be so addicted
to, lowbrowman? BG

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:28:19 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, and all that fusty ****e doesn't
draw tourists?

Well, for YOU it's just an unwashed Scottish ******'s unwashed cock,
lowbrowman!

On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:34:35 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


'I've seen your towns, they're all the same.
The only difference is in the name."

'Many A Mile' Patrick Sky

Obviously an idiot like you, lowbrowman!

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 4:58:21 AM UTC-4, Peeler wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2018 20:21:43 -0600, lowbrowman, the endlessly driveling
senile idiot, blabbered again:


'A Divine Image' William Blake

"Blake"??? LOL Don't you get above your station, you abysmally stupid
troll-feeding Yankietard!

We don't have "stations" to get above in the U.S., you abysmally stupid
serf.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/10/2018 1:14 AM, rbowman wrote:


https://www.rpi.edu/dept/physical_plant/boiler/

Apparently the boiler is still alive and well. There was a network of
utility tunnels throughout the campus and as a plus some of the
sidewalks stayed snow free. Of course, students weren't supposed to be
in the tunnels. One memorable evening I had a Kampus Kop yelling 'Stop
or I'll shoot!'.Â* I chose not to believe him and kept on going. My
leather jacket came away second best with scars from collisions with
various sharp brackets.

Many of the buildings were from the 1904-1916 era with the physical
plant to match.

That is a nice setup. Takes a lot to put it together and keep it running.

On Thu, 10 May 2018 02:15:11 +0100, wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:53:08 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:33:53 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 19:04:36 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 04:50:06 +0100, rbowman wrote:

I had a flat in an old brownstone that had three fireplaces, one fake,
one real, and one with a gas log. The real one was handy for breaking up
the furniture and tossing it in on cold nights. Twelve foot ceilings,
marginal heating, and lots of glass, it was a real Victorian wonder.

Those were built before we invented this crazy idea that we must be cosy all the time. Humans are warm blooded.

I am pretty much that way. I am OK from about 65 to 95 in shorts and a
T shirt. If it gets much colder, I put on a hat.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Florida%20b...20Michigan.jpg

Ah, a sensible person for once. Although that photo seems to contradict itself - a cosy hat and gloves, but shorts and tshirt with no socks?
\
If I was actually skiing I would have socks and boots but that was
plenty to just watch the kids ski.

Just seems odd that you need a hat and gloves but not jeans or a jacket.

--
I've never had a problem with drugs,
I've had problems with the police. - Keith Richards

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:21:43 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 10:41 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 01:47:06 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 23:06:25 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 23:04:06 +0100, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 8 May 2018 16:48:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2018 4:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

Nearest gas is 1/4 mile away. We use oil.
Been there, done that. STINKTY stuff!!!
At least the new burners burn a bit cleaner and there is less
sulphur
in it than their used to be...

The exhaust is meant to be outside the house?


New ones have no odor and are efficient. I replace my boiler about 7
years ago. I tracked oil use and degree days and I'm saving about 38%
with the new one and the exhaust is minimal to the existing flue.
It was on this newsgroup that I leaned about it fro Chris, the
Stormin
Mormon.
http://energykinetics.com/system2000...icient-boiler/
Older oil furnaces made a bit of an oil smell inside the house too,
as the firebox was not 100% sealed. They drew fresh air from inside
the house and exhausted it up the chimey - which alsoi had a damper

I find it amusing the way yanks say "furnace" instead of boiler. A
furnace is a huge commercial device, like the things for burning refuse.

They call a forced air unit a furnace, A boiler would be used with a
water based system.

Then you're using the word furnace incorrectly. Furnace implies a large
scale operation.


"The Human Dress, is forged Iron
The Human Form, a fiery Forge.
The Human Face, a Furnace seal'd
The Human Heart, its hungry Gorge."

'A Divine Image' William Blake

I never pay attention to poetry, and still wouldn't even if I could understand it.

--
Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:29:16 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 21:11:15 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:22:08 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:39:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 01:42:57 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 21:37:28 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 21:07:08 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 15:17:57 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I'm surprised glass can support the weight of those things.

Window shakers sit on the sill and that carries most of the weight,
The window frame keeps it from falling out. The new ones are really
pretty light and they don't actually "shake" much. Some of those old
ones took two people to pick up and they rattled the pictures on the
wall when the compressor shut down.

I'm surprised they could rattle pictures without shattering the glass they were touching.

The glass was typically in a wooden frame and pretty well insulated
from the vibration.

And the pictures on a seperate wall weren't?

You must have some pretty fragile glass there if vibrating the frame
shatters it.

My point is to move a picture you must be shaking the entire wall. That's a lot of shaking.

This was just a momentary thing as the compressor cycled down, not a
constant vibration. The new ones don't really do that. These were old
piston compressors that were huge compared to the ones today. A 1 ton
window shaker weighed over 150 pounds and ran on 240v. Now you can get
an inverter model that weighs about 80 pounds and runs on 120 @ 8.25a
(990w).

1 ton weighs 150 pounds? Something not quite right there. Do they move a ton of air or something?

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Washing a cat is like trying to clean out a food processor while it's switched on. -- Neil Allen, circa 2014

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:47:14 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 01:27 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

In theory, just air. When they're old and sticky they help humidify the
room.

I released one once at work and was unaware that the water would go in a different direction to my home ones. M'colleague got soaked with a high pressure jet.

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"I've never claimed to be anything more than a simple person" - Ronald Tompkins, circa 2013.

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:50:48 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 03:32 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 22:26:43 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-5, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 22:02:59 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-5, Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:48:34 +0100, Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 2:27:40 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:45:09 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 05:34:05 +0100, Bod
wrote:

On 09/05/2018 04:13, rbowman wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's not so much the water getting out as air (well
hydrogen) being
created from rust inside the radiators and blocking the
flow of water.
Why can't someone invent a water pump that can cope with
an air bubble?

Switch to steam heat; the radiators have air vents.

All water central heating radiators have air vents. If they
didn't,
they'd have lots of air inside them.

The trouble is they aren't automatic. And it assumes that the
vents are always where the air collects. I often get air stuck in
the middle of some piping, or in the pump.

It has been 50 years since I was around a radiator but the ones
we had
in my high school had some kind of vent on the side that seemed
to be
letting air/steam out a lot.

There were steam radiators at the old Catholic Parochial gulag I
attended in the 1950's and as I recall the vent on the side of the
radiators was always hissing and spitting out a bit of steam. Then
the diocese built a modern new school that had through the wall units
under the windows. I don't recall if they were AC units since it was
a long time ago but come to think of it, it was cooler during the
summer months inside the new school. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tortured Monster

Replying to your sig.... were you tortured by priests when younger?

No, I was tortured by nuns. My first-grade teacher was an American
nun named Sister Godzilla then in the second grade, the diocese
imported Irish nuns who believe in capital punishment for small
children. I had it rough as a kid. The priests were never mean to me.
^_^

Sounds fun to me, why are you objecting?

What I experienced as a kid is the main reason I don't like people who
hurt children. I've been known to body slam someone for hurting a
small child. I couldn't physically deter anyone today which is why I
have a pistol. O_o

Hurt? I'd have loved as a child to have an older woman molest me.
What's the big deal? It's every kid's dream!


Obviously you've never been to a Catholic school. I presume there must
be young nuns but I think they keep them back at the convent scrubbing
floors until they reach 65 and are allowed to teach.

I said woman. A nun is as much of a woman as a monk is a man.

--
Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.

On Thu, 10 May 2018 04:01:49 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 12:05 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 06:18:40 +0100, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 8 May 2018 21:50:06 -0600, rbowman wrote:

On 05/08/2018 03:44 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 08 May 2018 22:24:56 +0100, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 15:47:32 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 14:20:30 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I detest fireplaces. When not in use, you can hear the neighbour's
dog through the chimney. And presumably you're losing a lot of heat
through it too.

That is why we have a fake one. It is a Dimco and the fire looks
pretty real (not just a roller wrapped in crumpled foil with a light
behind it). Most of the time it is just running in fake mode using a
few watts of power but there is a 1.44KW heater in there that is
plenty to warm the living room.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Fireplace%202.jpg

Direct vent gas fireplaces also do not let out heat or make you
listen to the neighbour's dog .

Yes those are fine, I was referring to the old fashioned coal/wood
fireplaces that belong two centuries ago.


I had a flat in an old brownstone that had three fireplaces, one fake,
one real, and one with a gas log. The real one was handy for breaking up
the furniture and tossing it in on cold nights. Twelve foot ceilings,
marginal heating, and lots of glass, it was a real Victorian wonder.

We call those "iceboxes"

The 12 foot ceilings are nice. I detest the cramped modern houses with
only 8 foot ceilings.

It had tin ceilings. The landlord sprung for the materials if I would
paint the place. Painting a tin ceiling off a high stepladder is a paint
in the ass

If you're getting paint in your ass you're really clumsy.

but it was nowhere near as bad as the French doors. I'm not
the person you send to pick out colors so I would up with coral and aqua
or some damn thing on the walls. I'd just finished when a friend stopped
by and said "Pink and blue! Is this for a nursery?'

Only women care about colours.

--
Caller: "Can you give me the telephone number for Jack?"
Operator: "I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand who you are talking about".
Caller: "On page 1, section 5, of the user guide it clearly states that I need to unplug the fax machine from the AC wall socket and telephone Jack before cleaning. Now, can you give me the number for Jack?"

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:41:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


"Blake"??? LOL Don't you get above your station, you abysmally stupid
troll-feeding Yankietard!

We don't have "stations" to get above in the U.S., you abysmally stupid
serf.

Cindy Hamilton

LOL!!! Yankietard Cindy couldn't resist! I KNEW it all along!

On Thu, 10 May 2018 16:12:55 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2018 03:29:16 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 21:11:15 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:22:08 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:39:52 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 01:42:57 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 21:37:28 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 21:07:08 +0100, wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2018 15:17:57 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I'm surprised glass can support the weight of those things.

Window shakers sit on the sill and that carries most of the weight,
The window frame keeps it from falling out. The new ones are really
pretty light and they don't actually "shake" much. Some of those old
ones took two people to pick up and they rattled the pictures on the
wall when the compressor shut down.

I'm surprised they could rattle pictures without shattering the glass they were touching.

The glass was typically in a wooden frame and pretty well insulated
from the vibration.

And the pictures on a seperate wall weren't?

You must have some pretty fragile glass there if vibrating the frame
shatters it.

My point is to move a picture you must be shaking the entire wall. That's a lot of shaking.

This was just a momentary thing as the compressor cycled down, not a
constant vibration. The new ones don't really do that. These were old
piston compressors that were huge compared to the ones today. A 1 ton
window shaker weighed over 150 pounds and ran on 240v. Now you can get
an inverter model that weighs about 80 pounds and runs on 120 @ 8.25a
(990w).

1 ton weighs 150 pounds? Something not quite right there. Do they move a ton of air or something?

One ton is equal to the amount of heat required (288,000 Btu) to melt
one ton of ice in a 24-hour period. A one-ton air conditioner is rated
at 12,000 Btu per hour (288,000/24).

Just another archaic measurement we got from the British. ;-)

On Thu, 10 May 2018 04:04:59 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/09/2018 12:05 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 09:04:27 +0100, gregz wrote:

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote:
On Mon, 07 May 2018 17:34:32 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 05/07/2018 07:44 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It wouldn't matter to me which was more efficient. A swamp cooler
is a
pretend AC unit. It evaporates water, therefore humidifying the room.
Also a real AC unit can run in reverse and serve as a heat pump for
winter.

In places where a swamp cooler works, a little more humidity isn't a
bad
thing.

Why does anyone want humidity? If it's hot, humid air makes it feel
hotter, as your sweat can't evaporate so easily. In cold weather, the
damp cools you down more. So it's never wanted.


30-35% is OK vs 15%. you can also smell better, hence the name swamp.
I had
swamp cooler both in Army and home, 7 years.

Smell better? You mean less BO? Or an increased ability to detect
things with your nose?


Detect things with your nose. It's been raining so the humidity is up a
bit. When I was out in the woods yesterday it was pleasant to smell the
pines and firs. There's something like lilacs lining the drive at work
and they're in bloom. They smelled nice today.

Even in the desert when it rains you can really smell the creosote bush.

Are you sure that's your nose working better? I always thought it was because the smell coming from x is evaporating into the air.

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Do not adjust your mind - the fault is with reality.