On 1/15/2016 10:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 11:08 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 07:58 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

2) Mormons are a subset of Christians, like
Texaco is a subset of gasoline retailers. Many
Christians are Mormons.

Actually, the Baptists are a subset of the greater
body of Christ and so and and so forth.

Mormons on the other hand, do not believe in the
same Jesus as the Christians, so Mormons don't
count.

Mormons are a religoun all on to itself. Not a
bad ones as religions go. I know a lot of nice
Mormons, including yourself.


https://www.lds.org/new-era/1998/05/...tians?lang=eng



May 1998


Are Mormons Christians?
Stephen E. Robinson

by Stephen E. Robinson

Of course we are Christians. Why would anyone say otherwise? Here are
the facts.
[...]
Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear
witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl
of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern
prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say that Latter-day
Saints do not know or love or worship Jesus Christ, the truth is that we
do. If this is not enough to be counted as Christian, then that word has
lost its meaning.


Rights and Use Information (Updated 2/21/2012) Privacy Policy (Updated
3/18/2014)
© 2016 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Technically, it's not good netiquette to quote entire articles, or not
provide the url you're quoting from.

It would also help if you would interject your own comments on the text
you quote to comment on a specific point you'd like to discuss. That's
way too much text, imo, to even begin to find a beginning point on what
to discuss.


--
Maggie

On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.


My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/16/2016 12:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 9:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).


So, it's ok with you when I use KJV text in discussions?


Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/16/2016 12:21 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 10:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

https://www.lds.org/new-era/1998/05/...tians?lang=eng
Are Mormons Christians?
Stephen E. Robinson
Of course we are Christians. Why would anyone say otherwise? Here are
the facts.
[...]
Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear
witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl
of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern
prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say that Latter-day
Saints do not know or love or worship Jesus Christ, the truth is that we
do. If this is not enough to be counted as Christian, then that word has
lost its meaning.


Rights and Use Information (Updated 2/21/2012) Privacy Policy (Updated
3/18/2014)
© 2016 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Technically, it's not good netiquette to quote entire articles, or not
provide the url you're quoting from.

It would also help if you would interject your own comments on the text
you quote to comment on a specific point you'd like to discuss. That's
way too much text, imo, to even begin to find a beginning point on what
to discuss.



And, that's why I don't do it very often. I'm
the guy who trims dozens of lines of excess text
out of yours and T's posts, of course.

I'm guessing T will find more than a few things
to misquote, disagree, or provide inaccurate
rebuttals.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/15/2016 10:39 PM, wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: "Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated "

You know something? At least we BOTH
got that right!

King James, and the far more recent
MEV(modern Eng Version). When
my church has the budget, they will
eventually replace all the NIVs in
the pews with MEV. It is a literal
translation of King James in modern
English, restoring all the verses
missing from the NIV.


I hope that gives your congregation a better
understanding of the scriptures. Sounds like a
plan.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/16/2016 7:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.

My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.

Everyone filters their viewpoint through their own eyes, don't you
think? Even people who agree on various things come to their
conclusions for different reasons. You both have come to your separate
conclusions because you're filtering everything based on your own
personal experiences. That's normal, I'm thinking.

--
Maggie

On 1/16/2016 7:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 9:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).


So, it's ok with you when I use KJV text in discussions?


Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Isn't that what having a conversation, often times, is about? People
expressing their own point of view, and at least on Usenet groups, when
people disagree about something they try to prove they're right and
someone else is wrong.

I'm not surprised when that happens because it's normal to have those
sorts of discussions here. It's ok to disagree.

--
Maggie

On 1/16/2016 7:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:21 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 10:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

https://www.lds.org/new-era/1998/05/...tians?lang=eng
Are Mormons Christians?
Stephen E. Robinson
Of course we are Christians. Why would anyone say otherwise? Here are
the facts.
[...]
Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear
witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl
of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern
prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say that Latter-day
Saints do not know or love or worship Jesus Christ, the truth is that we
do. If this is not enough to be counted as Christian, then that word has
lost its meaning.


Rights and Use Information (Updated 2/21/2012) Privacy Policy (Updated
3/18/2014)
© 2016 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Technically, it's not good netiquette to quote entire articles, or not
provide the url you're quoting from.

It would also help if you would interject your own comments on the text
you quote to comment on a specific point you'd like to discuss. That's
way too much text, imo, to even begin to find a beginning point on what
to discuss.



And, that's why I don't do it very often. I'm
the guy who trims dozens of lines of excess text
out of yours and T's posts, of course.

I know. I'm poking you in the side because you poke me occasionally
about forgetting to trim posts. Fair play and all!

I'm guessing T will find more than a few things
to misquote, disagree, or provide inaccurate
rebuttals.


Well, I tend to want to discuss one or two points at a time, otherwise,
posts get so long it's hard to maintain a coherent discussion.

It doesn't bother me if people disagree with me. Sometimes, I have the
interest and energy to discuss or debate with them, and sometimes, I don't.

--
Maggie

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:41:05 -0600
Muggles wrote:

On 1/16/2016 7:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.

My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.

Everyone filters their viewpoint through their own eyes, don't you
think? Even people who agree on various things come to their
conclusions for different reasons. You both have come to your
separate conclusions because you're filtering everything based on
your own personal experiences. That's normal, I'm thinking.


You two should get a room.
You fit the profile of the woman
in the group

On 01/15/2016 09:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
There was this thing centuries ago called "The Inquisition" where my Catholic ancestors were torturing or killing my Jewish cousins who refused to convert. The good thing is that the Catholic Church has outgrown that kind of nonsense. Except, my Catholic cousins in Northern Ireland decided to kill Protestants instead. ^_^

A sad day indeed when Ian Paisley died a natural death....

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/15/2016 09:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
There was this thing centuries ago called "The Inquisition" where my Catholic ancestors were torturing or killing my Jewish cousins who refused to convert. The good thing is that the Catholic Church has outgrown that kind of nonsense. Except, my Catholic cousins in Northern Ireland decided to kill Protestants instead. ^_^

A sad day indeed when Ian Paisley died a natural death....

Wasn't he one of the guys from Monty Python? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Monty Monster

On 01/15/2016 05:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 2:16 AM, T wrote:
On 01/14/2016 05:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

"considered by Christians". Well, you have a
lot of nerve, speaking on behalf of millions
of people who can't even agree with themselves.

You can learn Mormon doctrine from the link in
my sig box, or try and find some missionaries
near you. I'm not going to feed you here. I
do not believe you are sincere in your questions.
Any doctrine I write will get a reply of "real
Christians believe....." from you. And you will
claim to speak for millions of people who do not
agree with each other.

Hi Stormin,

I had the two to compare when I was a kid. I chose
the Christian path. I also believe the Bible
and the Holy Councils to be accurate and the Mormon
revelations that disagree with the Bible and the
Councils to be inaccurate. We have to agree to disagree
on this one.

What Christians disagree on is very minor. We
all believe that Jesus is God (the one and only).
And, yes I definitely include Roman Catholics in
that. Anyone who believes in the Jesus of
the Christians is my bother and sister in Christ.

Now what the Mormon disagree on is a lot more profound:
LDS, FLDS, yada, yada. Here is a full list:

http://www.4mormon.org/mormon-splinter-groups/

Where one splinter believes they have "continuing
revelation" (that usually overturn the previous
"continuing revelation"), another splinter believes
that the original "continuing revelation" is the
correct one.

By the way, if the "truth" changes, it was never the
"truth" in the first place. And the FLDS remain
loyal to the original "continuing revelations", not
so much the mainline LDS. Statehood being more
important than adultery (polygamy) to mainline LDS.

Your argument about the Mormons being of one mind in
their revelations that turn the Bible and centuries
of Christian, not to mention Jewish, teaching on it
head is a really poor one. Mormons are all over the
place on their revelations.

Been through the missionary thing. My impression was that
they were good people trying to share something very
important in their lives. And, very poorly studied
in their religoun. I remember my mother going over
various parts of the BOM showing them what their
religoun actually teaches. Poor guys were tossing
into the pot without much of any training in their
own religoun. They wore their skinny black ties
with pride though.

My only goal with you has been to let you know what
the differences are between our two religions. You
do not believe what Christians believe, not even
remotely. Doesn't mean you are going to hell.
I only want you to stop calling yourself a Christian
(Mormon will do fine). It is offensive.

Mormons have never been savagely tortured to death in
not inconsiderable numbers for refusing to worship
polytheistic gods. Calling your Hellenistic (polytheist)
religoun with Christian names slapped on it "Christian"
is really offensive to Christians, especially the gods
having sex with humans thing.

-T

A difference between our two religions: what did the Christian
Jesus answer when his inquisitor asked him who he said he
was? The exact word please. I can give you chapter and
verse if you need. The Mormons teach something different
than the Christians.


Yep, that's pretty much what I wrote about
your position and your tactics.

If nothing else, you're consistent. You've
done this at least once before. And, no,
I'm not going to let you draw me in to any
further skirmishes or battles. You have
again demonstrated that you're not interested
in pursuit of truth, just in making your
points to those who read this thread.



It is interesting that you call the stark contrasts
in the Bible that exist in Mormon teaching to be
the "truth." Either you believe what the Bible
teaches or you don't.

On 01/15/2016 10:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:05 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 1:16 AM, T wrote:
A difference between our two religions: what did the Christian
Jesus answer when his inquisitor asked him who he said he
was? The exact word please. I can give you chapter and
verse if you need. The Mormons teach something different
than the Christians.

hmmm You know a lot about Mormon religion.


Writes a lot about is not the same as knowing
a lot about.

I can back up everything I say and have done so
in the past. If you find something I have said
in error, please let me know and I will promptly
apologize.

IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.

There is a difference between being exposed to both
and choosing the Christian path over the Mormon path.

I have always believed in the Christian Jesus
as far back as I can remember. Knowing the difference
between our two religions and having a lot of respect
for your religion does not make me and an "Ex-Mo."

On 01/16/2016 05:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.


My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.


Hi Stormin',

Oh I have seen both your church and mine very clearly.
The question is if you believe in the Bible, KJV for
instance, why do your call it inaccurate and why do
you not keep the commandments?

And God spoke all these words, saying: €œI am the Lord
your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage. * You shall have no other
gods before Me*. You shall not make for yourself a
carved image€”any likeness of anything that is in
heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that
is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down
to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a
jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the children to the third and fourth generations of those
who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those
who love Me and keep My commandments.
--Exodus 20,1-6 KJV

The reason is because you are not Christian. Your gods (plural,
in direct violation of the above) are not the god that spoke
these words. You believe you have divine revelation that over
turns the words spoken above, making the bible inaccurate.
That makes you a Mormon.

How about this one?

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of
the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said
unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor
the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither
marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels
of God in heaven.
-- Matthew 22, 29-30

Again you believe in something that is in direct violation
(celestial families) of what Jesus (of the Christians)
taught. Again your have divine revelations that over
turn the words spoken above, making the Bible inaccurate.
Again, it is because your are not Christian, you are Mormon.
You do not accept the teaching of Jesus from the Bible
as accurate when they are over rules by the BOM and
other Mormon teachings.

And the list goes on and on, especially disgusting and
offensive to Christians is the way Mormons have Mary
conceiving (the old fashioned way).

I have a lot of respect for Mormons and in some instance
some admiration of how the behave (family values, etc.).

What you believe is not what Christians believe. To
say differently is deeply offensive to Christians.
You have never had millions tortured to death for refusing
to submit to false gods (plural). You embrace multiple
gods and think you can become one yourself.

Know the difference between our two separate and distinct
religions. If you chose yours, more power to you. Be
the best Mormon you can be. Being Mormon is not such a
bad thing. The god (singular) of the Christians (Jesus)
has no relation whatsoever to the gods (plural) of the
Mormons.

And you are only going the hell based on the way you
treat other people. (Again, not a Mormon teaching.)
You are a nice guy who helps people you don't even know.
I think you are going to be okay on the hell front.
You are a good guy.

Mormons are not Christians; Christians are not Mormons.
Be respectful of other religions.

-T

Just out of curiosity, which one of your gods does Mormon
teaching say was speaking those words to Moses in
Exodus 22? Elohim?

On 01/16/2016 10:49 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:41:05 -0600
Muggles wrote:

On 1/16/2016 7:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.

My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.

Everyone filters their viewpoint through their own eyes, don't you
think? Even people who agree on various things come to their
conclusions for different reasons. You both have come to your
separate conclusions because you're filtering everything based on
your own personal experiences. That's normal, I'm thinking.


You two should get a room.
You fit the profile of the woman
in the group


That was uncalled for.

On 01/15/2016 07:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 5:42 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 09:05 AM, Muggles wrote:

hmmm You know a lot about Mormon religion.



Hi Maggie,

My mother was Christian and my father was Mormon.
I was exposed to both religions. They are very
different from each other.


Yours in Christ,
-T


Mormon is a subset of Christian. Like Texaco is
a subset of gasoline retailers.

No polytheists are a subset of Christians.

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).

"Translated correctly". Is that how you get around
not believing what it says?

You know the actual texts are available for anyone
to read and translate. There are some tiny translation
boo-boo in various English translations of the
Bible, but they are rather minor and we all know about
them. If you think something is translated incorrectly,
you can always check it out for yourself. (You might
have to learn Greek.)

Now are the actual text available of your golden
tablets available to anyone to check out? Did
they conveniently disappear?

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:23:14 -0800
T wrote:

On 01/16/2016 10:49 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:41:05 -0600
Muggles wrote:

On 1/16/2016 7:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 12:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
IIRC, T is Ex-Mo. Which tends to set him into
a familiar pattern.


He has a valid perspective with his background, I think.

My sense is that his view of Mormons is
filtered for some reason. He's not seeing
the church clearly.

Everyone filters their viewpoint through their own eyes, don't you
think? Even people who agree on various things come to their
conclusions for different reasons. You both have come to your
separate conclusions because you're filtering everything based on
your own personal experiences. That's normal, I'm thinking.


You two should get a room.
You fit the profile of the woman
in the group


That was uncalled for.

You have no clue what you are on about.
jenn is a nasty bitch and a fee loader now.

On 01/15/2016 07:39 PM, wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: "Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated "

You know something? At least we BOTH
got that right!

King James, and the far more recent
MEV(modern Eng Version). When
my church has the budget, they will
eventually replace all the NIVs in
the pews with MEV. It is a literal
translation of King James in modern
English, restoring all the verses
missing from the NIV.


I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

Does the MEV have "Though Shalt not Kill" correctly
translated into "Though Shalt not Murder" yet?
Most have now made that correction.

On 01/16/2016 05:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 12:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/15/2016 9:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).


So, it's ok with you when I use KJV text in discussions?


Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Only attempt to show you that you are not Christian.
Being a Mormon is not such a bad thing.

On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Except, my Catholic cousins in Northern Ireland decided to kill Protestants instead.

Actually, being a member of such an organization in Ireland is
an instant excommunication from the Catholic church. The IRA
is a communist organization that uses "Catholic" as a label
and to muddle what they are really all about.

On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
There was this thing centuries ago called "The Inquisition" where my Catholic
ancestors were torturing or killing my Jewish cousins who refused
to convert

The Jews took the side of the Muslims in Spain. The anger the
Catholic had towards the Jews over this was something to behold.
The Catholics should have followed their faith. Now-a-days,
they would have.

On 01/15/2016 08:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Mormons are a religoun all on to itself. Not a
bad ones as religions go. I know a lot of nice
Mormons, including yourself.


https://www.lds.org/new-era/1998/05/...tians?lang=eng

I am so sorry Stormin. That article only means that you
following some Christian teachings, which is a good thing.
It does not make you a Christian.

If you want to be a Christian, you have to choose to
believe in the Jesus of the Christians. The Mormon
Jesus is not even remotely related to the Christian Jesus.

I am glad that you follow some Christian teaching. You
are still not a Christian. You have to be a monotheist to
start with. But you are still a good guy and are not going
to hell.

On 1/16/2016 3:45 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 05:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Yep, that's pretty much what I wrote about
your position and your tactics.




It is interesting that you call the stark contrasts
in the Bible that exist in Mormon teaching to be
the "truth." Either you believe what the Bible
teaches or you don't.

The LDS church uses the King James Version
extensively in the sermons and other teachings.
So far, no contrasts.

LDS teachings disagree with some other churches
interpretation. Which is one of the reasons the
restoration was needed.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/16/2016 4:22 PM, T wrote:

Hi Stormin',

Oh I have seen both your church and mine very clearly.
The question is if you believe in the Bible, KJV for
instance, why do your call it inaccurate and why do
you not keep the commandments?

And God spoke all these words, saying: €œI am the Lord
your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage. * You shall have no other
gods before Me*. You shall not make for yourself a
carved image€”any likeness of anything that is in
heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that
is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down
to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a
jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the children to the third and fourth generations of those
who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those
who love Me and keep My commandments.
--Exodus 20,1-6 KJV

The reason is because you are not Christian. Your gods (plural,
in direct violation of the above) are not the god that spoke
these words. You believe you have divine revelation that over
turns the words spoken above, making the bible inaccurate.
That makes you a Mormon.

How about this one?

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of
the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said
unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor
the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither
marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels
of God in heaven.
-- Matthew 22, 29-30

Again you believe in something that is in direct violation
(celestial families) of what Jesus (of the Christians)
taught. Again your have divine revelations that over
turn the words spoken above, making the Bible inaccurate.
Again, it is because your are not Christian, you are Mormon.
You do not accept the teaching of Jesus from the Bible
as accurate when they are over rules by the BOM and
other Mormon teachings.

And the list goes on and on, especially disgusting and
offensive to Christians is the way Mormons have Mary
conceiving (the old fashioned way).

I have a lot of respect for Mormons and in some instance
some admiration of how the behave (family values, etc.).

What you believe is not what Christians believe. To
say differently is deeply offensive to Christians.
You have never had millions tortured to death for refusing
to submit to false gods (plural). You embrace multiple
gods and think you can become one yourself.

Know the difference between our two separate and distinct
religions. If you chose yours, more power to you. Be
the best Mormon you can be. Being Mormon is not such a
bad thing. The god (singular) of the Christians (Jesus)
has no relation whatsoever to the gods (plural) of the
Mormons.

And you are only going the hell based on the way you
treat other people. (Again, not a Mormon teaching.)
You are a nice guy who helps people you don't even know.
I think you are going to be okay on the hell front.
You are a good guy.

Mormons are not Christians; Christians are not Mormons.
Be respectful of other religions.

-T

Just out of curiosity, which one of your gods does Mormon
teaching say was speaking those words to Moses in
Exodus 22? Elohim?

If you believe in God, why are you not a member
of the only true church organized by God, and
having the authority and revelation and ordinances?



--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/16/2016 4:23 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 10:49 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
You two should get a room.
You fit the profile of the woman
in the group


That was uncalled for.

I've thought that about some of your writing.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On 1/16/2016 4:29 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 07:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 5:42 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 09:05 AM, Muggles wrote:

hmmm You know a lot about Mormon religion.



Hi Maggie,

My mother was Christian and my father was Mormon.
I was exposed to both religions. They are very
different from each other.


Yours in Christ,
-T


Mormon is a subset of Christian. Like Texaco is
a subset of gasoline retailers.

No polytheists are a subset of Christians.

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).

"Translated correctly". Is that how you get around
not believing what it says?

You know the actual texts are available for anyone
to read and translate. There are some tiny translation
boo-boo in various English translations of the
Bible, but they are rather minor and we all know about
them. If you think something is translated incorrectly,
you can always check it out for yourself. (You might
have to learn Greek.)

Now are the actual text available of your golden
tablets available to anyone to check out? Did
they conveniently disappear?


With all your contact with Mormons, you should already
know the answers to these questions. You're the Mormon
expert. Answer your own questions, and I'll tell you
if you wrote the church teaching answers. I'm not going
to let you bait me, and then tell me I'm wrong about
the church I've attended for 25 plus years.

--
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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
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On 1/16/2016 4:34 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 05:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Only attempt to show you that you are not Christian.
Being a Mormon is not such a bad thing.


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. I was bapitzed and confirmed
in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority
handed down from Christ, himself. I've been ordained,
and can trace my priesthood line of authority.

Nothing more to say. I don't much care if you believe
me. This, I know to be true. I am a Christian.


--
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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
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On 1/16/2016 5:22 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 08:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Mormons are a religoun all on to itself. Not a
bad ones as religions go. I know a lot of nice
Mormons, including yourself.


https://www.lds.org/new-era/1998/05/...tians?lang=eng

I am so sorry Stormin. That article only means that you
following some Christian teachings, which is a good thing.
It does not make you a Christian.

If you want to be a Christian, you have to choose to
believe in the Jesus of the Christians. The Mormon
Jesus is not even remotely related to the Christian Jesus.

I am glad that you follow some Christian teaching. You
are still not a Christian. You have to be a monotheist to
start with. But you are still a good guy and are not going
to hell.


Frankly, I don't much care what you think.
You don't have any influence in my life or
my afterlife. Other than a few minutes of
usenet time. And you sure don't have any
accuracy.


--
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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 4:29 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 07:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/15/2016 5:42 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 09:05 AM, Muggles wrote:

hmmm You know a lot about Mormon religion.



Hi Maggie,

My mother was Christian and my father was Mormon.
I was exposed to both religions. They are very
different from each other.


Yours in Christ,
-T


Mormon is a subset of Christian. Like Texaco is
a subset of gasoline retailers.

No polytheists are a subset of Christians.

Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated
correctly).

"Translated correctly". Is that how you get around
not believing what it says?

You know the actual texts are available for anyone
to read and translate. There are some tiny translation
boo-boo in various English translations of the
Bible, but they are rather minor and we all know about
them. If you think something is translated incorrectly,
you can always check it out for yourself. (You might
have to learn Greek.)

Now are the actual text available of your golden
tablets available to anyone to check out? Did
they conveniently disappear?


With all your contact with Mormons, you should already
know the answers to these questions. You're the Mormon
expert. Answer your own questions, and I'll tell you
if you wrote the church teaching answers. I'm not going
to let you bait me, and then tell me I'm wrong about
the church I've attended for 25 plus years.

You folks all look like an expert. Let me ask a question.
I am a RC, do you believe in god? Do you trust in god?
What's the difference between this two questions? I am reading
a book right now, just read a few pages. Ran into this question.
Any one can answer that? BTW, some Mormon friends we have are all good
folks.

On 1/16/2016 7:46 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
You folks all look like an expert. Let me ask a question.
I am a RC, do you believe in god? Do you trust in god?
What's the difference between this two questions? I am reading
a book right now, just read a few pages. Ran into this question.
Any one can answer that? BTW, some Mormon friends we have are all good
folks.

Soon as T answers these questions and more,
I'll work on deciding if he's a Christian.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 01/16/2016 02:29 PM, T wrote:

No polytheists are a subset of Christians.

Thank the Gods...

On 01/16/2016 02:32 PM, T wrote:
I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

You mean the translation that was heavily based on Tyndale's? Too bad
Tyndale didn't complete his work but being strangled and burnt at the
state because he ****ed off Henry VIII interfered.

Then there is the Comma Johanneum...

On 01/16/2016 03:11 PM, T wrote:
Actually, being a member of such an organization in Ireland is
an instant excommunication from the Catholic church. The IRA
is a communist organization that uses "Catholic" as a label
and to muddle what they are really all about.

The Provos split from the Originals in '69 because some of the
leadership was Marxist. The OIRA (Marxist) continued on but the PIRA was
the main branch.

The Bishops spoke against the 1916 Rising. Why not; they knew which side
their bread was buttered on.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/con...09/cathsoc.htm

That's a short essay by James Connolly on the place of the church.
Connolly was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising and was executed by
the Brits 12 May 1916. He had been severely wounded so they carried him
to the jail courtyard on a stretcher, tied him to a chair, and shot him.

That execution was the greatest tool for Republican recruitment that the
Brits could have devised. Their second greatest was Bloody Sunday in
1972. Governments never seem to catch on.

On 1/16/2016 3:32 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 07:39 PM, wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: "Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible
because we believe it (as far as it is translated "

You know something? At least we BOTH
got that right!

King James, and the far more recent
MEV(modern Eng Version). When
my church has the budget, they will
eventually replace all the NIVs in
the pews with MEV. It is a literal
translation of King James in modern
English, restoring all the verses
missing from the NIV.


I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

Does the MEV have "Though Shalt not Kill" correctly
translated into "Though Shalt not Murder" yet?
Most have now made that correction.



I enjoy Psalms and Proverbs as favorites, too.

--
Maggie

On 1/16/2016 6:46 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:

You folks all look like an expert. Let me ask a question.
I am a RC, do you believe in god? Do you trust in god?
What's the difference between this two questions? I am reading
a book right now, just read a few pages. Ran into this question.
Any one can answer that? BTW, some Mormon friends we have are all good
folks.

My take on your questions....

Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are
possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the
child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine
unbelief.

"Believing" and "trust" are both emotions, decisions, actions we all
struggle with as flesh and blood.

"I believe: Help my unbelief" is the place where we are at the end of
our ropes hanging onto the last thread of our hope that something bigger
than ourselves is possible; God exists. It means IF God exists, I want
to believe He does exist; BUT, in my own human frailty there's a part of
me that has a measure of doubt.

So, what's the difference between these two questions: do you believe in
god? Do you trust in god??

Trust is that point in time where you make the decision to believe in
something greater than humanity - a leap of faith, or even just
summoning up an inkling of a mustard seed to move forward in faith that
something important, or greater than human knowledge or wisdom really
does exist.
--
Maggie

Muggles wrote:
On 1/16/2016 6:46 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:

You folks all look like an expert. Let me ask a question.
I am a RC, do you believe in god? Do you trust in god?
What's the difference between this two questions? I am reading
a book right now, just read a few pages. Ran into this question.
Any one can answer that? BTW, some Mormon friends we have are all good
folks.

My take on your questions....

Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are
possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the
child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine
unbelief.

"Believing" and "trust" are both emotions, decisions, actions we all
struggle with as flesh and blood.

"I believe: Help my unbelief" is the place where we are at the end of
our ropes hanging onto the last thread of our hope that something bigger
than ourselves is possible; God exists. It means IF God exists, I want
to believe He does exist; BUT, in my own human frailty there's a part of
me that has a measure of doubt.

So, what's the difference between these two questions: do you believe in
god? Do you trust in god??

Trust is that point in time where you make the decision to believe in
something greater than humanity - a leap of faith, or even just
summoning up an inkling of a mustard seed to move forward in faith that
something important, or greater than human knowledge or wisdom really
does exist.

Do you understand then why Adam and Eve tried to avoid god(tried to hide
from him)?

On 1/17/2016 12:08 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote:
On 1/16/2016 6:46 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:

You folks all look like an expert. Let me ask a question.
I am a RC, do you believe in god? Do you trust in god?
What's the difference between this two questions? I am reading
a book right now, just read a few pages. Ran into this question.
Any one can answer that? BTW, some Mormon friends we have are all good
folks.

My take on your questions....

Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are
possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the
child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine
unbelief.

"Believing" and "trust" are both emotions, decisions, actions we all
struggle with as flesh and blood.

"I believe: Help my unbelief" is the place where we are at the end of
our ropes hanging onto the last thread of our hope that something bigger
than ourselves is possible; God exists. It means IF God exists, I want
to believe He does exist; BUT, in my own human frailty there's a part of
me that has a measure of doubt.

So, what's the difference between these two questions: do you believe in
god? Do you trust in god??

Trust is that point in time where you make the decision to believe in
something greater than humanity - a leap of faith, or even just
summoning up an inkling of a mustard seed to move forward in faith that
something important, or greater than human knowledge or wisdom really
does exist.

Do you understand then why Adam and Eve tried to avoid god(tried to hide
from him)?

They weren't innocent any more.

--
Maggie

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 4:11:54 PM UTC-6, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Except, my Catholic cousins in Northern Ireland decided to kill Protestants instead.

Actually, being a member of such an organization in Ireland is
an instant excommunication from the Catholic church. The IRA
is a communist organization that uses "Catholic" as a label
and to muddle what they are really all about.

OMG! That resembles Islamic terrorists except Muslims have no centralized authority, hierarchy or leader of their faith. If Muslims run out of Jews and Christians to kill, they kill each other. In some Muslim countries, they will kill another Muslim if he's from another tribe. I'm glad Christians aren't like Muslims or the art gallery that displayed the statue of Jesus in a bottle of urine would have been blown up and burned the same day bottle was displayed as art. Put on a T shirt with a cartoon of Mohamed and walk around an area of a big city in a Western country where there are a large number of Muslims and see how long you live. ^_^

I see a kind of parallel with the IRA and Islamic terrorists. The terrorist can make an attack and vanish into a community of people practicing their own faith. The people of the particular community are less likely to turn in one of the terrorists whether out of fear or a tacit approval of the terrorist's activities. I'd like to think that someone in a Catholic community would be more likely to turn in an IRA terrorist/freedom fighter for murder but IRA members have also killed Catholics. It's a no win situation. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Terrorist Monster

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-6, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
There was this thing centuries ago called "The Inquisition" where my Catholic
ancestors were torturing or killing my Jewish cousins who refused
to convert

The Jews took the side of the Muslims in Spain. The anger the
Catholic had towards the Jews over this was something to behold.
The Catholics should have followed their faith. Now-a-days,
they would have.

Catholics have grownup and are no longer living in the 13th century which is something that can't be said of many Muslims. Christians in early America burned at the stake women who were accused of being witches. If that was still practiced today, Hitlery Clinton would have been charcoal long ago. I've read of women in present day Muslim countries being stoned to death and burned after being accused of witchcraft. This shows that most Muslims are still living in the 12th century. All you have to do is look at the behavior of the current crop of Muslim invaders in Europe. O_o

Many faiths have a brutal past but most seem to have become civilized. I'm not sure of how many religions never had a violent past but I'm sure there are some like The Bahá'í Faith which I understand is based on a belief of peaceful coexistence, equality and acceptance of all people. I'm sure with a lot of research, I could find information on most of the religions founded on and have always followed the principals of peace and nonviolence. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Peaceful Monster

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/16/2016 02:29 PM, T wrote:

No polytheists are a subset of Christians.

Thank the Gods...

A line from Battlestar Galactica,"Gods Dammit!" ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Space Monster