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That execution was the greatest tool for Republican recruitment that the
Brits could have devised. Their second greatest was Bloody Sunday in
1972. Governments never seem to catch on.

Maybe, maybe not. The Feds seem determined not to let Bundy turn into a
martyr after disasters at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I'd say that's "catching on"
to some extent. It does seem, however, that we're not doing so well on the
ISIS front where our involvment is a pretty powerful recruitment tool for
them.

What gets me is that ISIS gets the outrage over beheadings but Saudi Arabia,
the ally whose nationals took out the WTC, gets a pass on beheading 79
people including a Shiite cleric whose death could be the spark that ignites
WWIII. At a theater near you soon in Real 3D.

An analyst friend of mine said that Russia's involvment in Syria and Saudi's
executions are meant to drive down oil production outside those two
countries and save their tottering oil-based economy. Could be. Putin's
AND the Saudis (among many others) are really hurting now that Brentwood
crude is going for $35 a barrel. WWII got its start with the US oil embargo
of Japan. WWII ended in Europe when the Germans ran out of oil.

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Bobby G.


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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:44:07 -0600, Muggles wrote:

On 1/16/2016 3:32 PM, T wrote:

I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

Does the MEV have "Though Shalt not Kill" correctly
translated into "Though Shalt not Murder" yet?
Most have now made that correction.



I enjoy Psalms and Proverbs as favorites, too.

This is a good verse for old bachelors:

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/21-9.htm




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On 1/17/2016 7:38 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:44:07 -0600, Muggles wrote:

On 1/16/2016 3:32 PM, T wrote:

I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

Does the MEV have "Though Shalt not Kill" correctly
translated into "Though Shalt not Murder" yet?
Most have now made that correction.



I enjoy Psalms and Proverbs as favorites, too.

This is a good verse for old bachelors:

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/21-9.htm





LOL Yeah! Many a bachelor comforts himself with that one, I imagine!

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Maggie

On 01/17/2016 09:48 PM, Muggles wrote:
LOL Yeah! Many a bachelor comforts himself with that one, I imagine!

Married men prefer Hebrews 13:8:

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

On 1/17/2016 11:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/17/2016 09:48 PM, Muggles wrote:
LOL Yeah! Many a bachelor comforts himself with that one, I imagine!

Married men prefer Hebrews 13:8:

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever.




I thought married men preferred Proverbs 18:22:

Whoso finds a wife finds a good thing, and obtains favor of the LORD.



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Maggie

On 01/16/2016 03:37 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 3:45 PM, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 05:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Yep, that's pretty much what I wrote about
your position and your tactics.




It is interesting that you call the stark contrasts
in the Bible that exist in Mormon teaching to be
the "truth." Either you believe what the Bible
teaches or you don't.

The LDS church uses the King James Version
extensively in the sermons and other teachings.
So far, no contrasts.

LDS teachings disagree with some other churches
interpretation. Which is one of the reasons the
restoration was needed.

Hi Stormin,

It is a good thing that you use the Bible and a
good thing that you observe some Christian teachings.
I chose to take it a flattery.

But either you believe what the Bible teaches or you
don't.

I have listed a bunch of the differences to you before
off the top of my head. If I were to google it, I could
fill page after page. Please note that the very first
line of the very first book of the bible contradicts
Mormonism. Not a real good start for you guys.

Either you believe in the single and only god that created
everything from the power of his own will or you believe
in the "gods" with celestial families who never created
anything and just existed in nature. One is Christian;
one is Mormon. They are two separate religions.

An inaccurate KJV versus for you to consider.

Joshua 24:20 - If ye forsake the Lord, and serve
strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt,
and consume you, after that he hath done you good.

Note the part about the Lord doing good for us and being
repaid by us by serving "strange" gods and that God is
not "real happy" about it. Sound familiar?

Just out of curiosity, when Saint Moses addressed the burning
bush, which one of your gods does Mormonism teach was
speaking? Elohim? Do you even know?

-T

Some more inaccurate KJV bible passages for you to consider:

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven
and the earth.

Deuteronomy 4:35 - Unto thee it was shewed, that thou
mightest know that the LORD he [is] God; [there is] none
else beside him.

Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the
last; and beside me [there is] no God.

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is]
one LORD:

Isaiah 43:10 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and
my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe
me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no
God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 45:5 - I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else,
[there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou
hast not known me:

Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all
the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God
is one Lord:

On 01/16/2016 03:41 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 4:23 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 10:49 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
You two should get a room.
You fit the profile of the woman
in the group


That was uncalled for.

I've thought that about some of your writing.


When you have millions of Mormons tortured to death
for their beliefs and have someone come along and slap
Mormon names onto an entirely divergent religions in
violation of the beliefs so many have died excruciating
deaths over, then you can talk.

I the mean time, be respectful of other folk's religions.

On 01/16/2016 03:40 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If you believe in God, why are you not a member
of the only true church organized by God, and
having the authority and revelation and ordinances?

Did it ever occur to you that I believe in an entirely
different single and only god than you?

It is fine with me if you want to believe in multiple gods
that have sex with humans, like the Greek gods did, but
please do not mix your religion with Christianity or
any other religoun for that matter.

On 01/16/2016 05:44 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/16/2016 02:32 PM, T wrote:
I love the psalms in KJV. The other translations
remove the poetic impact. Just are not the same, even
if the say the same things.

Our English speaking bothers and sisters in Christ
do a pretty good job of translating the scriptures
into English.

You mean the translation that was heavily based on Tyndale's? Too bad
Tyndale didn't complete his work but being strangled and burnt at the
state because he ****ed off Henry VIII interfered.

Then there is the Comma Johanneum...


I was only speaking of the English translations I see today.
KJV has a few mistranslations in it, but they are few
and far between and everyone knows what they are.

On 01/16/2016 03:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 4:34 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 05:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Only attempt to show you that you are not Christian.
Being a Mormon is not such a bad thing.


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. I was bapitzed and confirmed
in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority
handed down from Christ, himself. I've been ordained,
and can trace my priesthood line of authority.

Nothing more to say. I don't much care if you believe
me. This, I know to be true. I am a Christian.



To be a Christian you have to believe in Christian
Jesus. You do not. I am so sorry.

On 01/16/2016 06:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/16/2016 03:11 PM, T wrote:
Actually, being a member of such an organization in Ireland is
an instant excommunication from the Catholic church. The IRA
is a communist organization that uses "Catholic" as a label
and to muddle what they are really all about.

The Provos split from the Originals in '69 because some of the
leadership was Marxist. The OIRA (Marxist) continued on but the PIRA was
the main branch.

The Bishops spoke against the 1916 Rising. Why not; they knew which side
their bread was buttered on.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/con...09/cathsoc.htm

That's a short essay by James Connolly on the place of the church.
Connolly was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising and was executed by
the Brits 12 May 1916. He had been severely wounded so they carried him
to the jail courtyard on a stretcher, tied him to a chair, and shot him.

That execution was the greatest tool for Republican recruitment that the
Brits could have devised. Their second greatest was Bloody Sunday in
1972. Governments never seem to catch on.

The British can be absolute *******s when they want to. In the
Revolutionary war they murdered our prisoners. In New Your,
they tossed us in a cellar to starve to death. The
words British and atrocity go hand in hard though out
history.

On 01/17/2016 12:38 AM, Robert Green wrote:
WWII got its start with the US oil embargo
of Japan.

WWII can be traced to Theodore Roosevelt's secret deal with Japan
to invade Korea. Both the Japaneses and Germany kept fighting without
oil. The Japaneses defoliated all their trees trying to make oil out
of their sap.

On 01/16/2016 11:16 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 4:11:54 PM UTC-6, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Except, my Catholic cousins in Northern Ireland decided to kill Protestants instead.

Actually, being a member of such an organization in Ireland is
an instant excommunication from the Catholic church. The IRA
is a communist organization that uses "Catholic" as a label
and to muddle what they are really all about.

OMG! That resembles Islamic terrorists except Muslims have no centralized authority, hierarchy or leader of their faith. If Muslims run out of Jews and Christians to kill, they kill each other. In some Muslim countries, they will kill another Muslim if he's from another tribe. I'm glad Christians aren't like Muslims or the art gallery that displayed the statue of Jesus in a bottle of urine would have been blown up and burned the same day bottle was displayed as art. Put on a T shirt with a cartoon of Mohamed and walk around an area of a big city in a Western country where there are a large number of Muslims and see how long you live. ^_^

I see a kind of parallel with the IRA and Islamic terrorists. The terrorist can make an attack and vanish into a community of people practicing their own faith. The people of the particular community are less likely to turn in one of the terrorists whether out of fear or a tacit approval of the terrorist's activities. I'd like to think that someone in a Catholic community would be more likely to turn in an IRA terrorist/freedom fighter for murder but IRA members have also killed Catholics. It's a no win situation. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Terrorist Monster


Good point. I would add that the Islamist are actually following
what their religion teaches, the above (proportioning to be)
Christians are not

On 01/17/2016 12:13 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-6, T wrote:
On 01/15/2016 08:20 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
There was this thing centuries ago called "The Inquisition" where my Catholic
ancestors were torturing or killing my Jewish cousins who refused
to convert

The Jews took the side of the Muslims in Spain. The anger the
Catholic had towards the Jews over this was something to behold.
The Catholics should have followed their faith. Now-a-days,
they would have.

Catholics have grownup and are no longer living in the 13th century which is something that can't be said of many Muslims. Christians in early America burned at the stake women who were accused of being witches. If that was still practiced today, Hitlery Clinton would have been charcoal long ago. I've read of women in present day Muslim countries being stoned to death and burned after being accused of witchcraft. This shows that most Muslims are still living in the 12th century. All you have to do is look at the behavior of the current crop of Muslim invaders in Europe. O_o

Many faiths have a brutal past but most seem to have become civilized. I'm not sure of how many religions never had a violent past but I'm sure there are some like The Bahá'í Faith which I understand is based on a belief of peaceful coexistence, equality and acceptance of all people. I'm sure with a lot of research, I could find information on most of the religions founded on and have always followed the principals of peace and nonviolence. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Peaceful Monster


At the start of Christianity, Jews would turn us into the Romans to
be tortured to death. It only stopped when our numbers grew to
the point where the tables were turned. (The Jews eventually got the
worse end of the stick.) Neither religion was practicing their
faith.

It is unfortunate that those bent on evil will co-opt an organization
like the church to perpetrate their craft.

Now for a Muslim reformations. Then for the Leftists/socialists
/liberals (also a religion) who murdered millions in the last century alone.

On 1/19/2016 5:47 PM, T wrote:
Note the part about the Lord doing good for us and being
repaid by us by serving "strange" gods and that God is
not "real happy" about it. Sound familiar?

Just out of curiosity, when Saint Moses addressed the burning
bush, which one of your gods does Mormonism teach was
speaking? Elohim? Do you even know?

-T


My faith is based on witness of the Spirit and
personal revelation. The Spirit says you're
not to be listened to.

I guess that means you're not Christian. Sorry.

--
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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/19/2016 5:59 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 03:40 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If you believe in God, why are you not a member
of the only true church organized by God, and
having the authority and revelation and ordinances?

Did it ever occur to you that I believe in an entirely
different single and only god than you?

It is fine with me if you want to believe in multiple gods
that have sex with humans, like the Greek gods did, but
please do not mix your religion with Christianity or
any other religoun for that matter.

Starting to become a bit more clear. I'm a member of
the Church of Jesus Christ, a disciple of the true and
living God. I'm not so sure about you.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 1/19/2016 6:11 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 03:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 4:34 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 05:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Only attempt to show you that you are not Christian.
Being a Mormon is not such a bad thing.


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. I was bapitzed and confirmed
in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority
handed down from Christ, himself. I've been ordained,
and can trace my priesthood line of authority.

Nothing more to say. I don't much care if you believe
me. This, I know to be true. I am a Christian.



To be a Christian you have to believe in Christian
Jesus. You do not. I am so sorry.

You, T, are acting less and less Christian as this
goes along.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 01/19/2016 05:56 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Just out of curiosity, when Saint Moses addressed the burning
bush, which one of your gods does Mormonism teach was
speaking? Elohim? Do you even know?

So the answer is?

On 01/19/2016 05:58 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/19/2016 5:59 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 03:40 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If you believe in God, why are you not a member
of the only true church organized by God, and
having the authority and revelation and ordinances?

Did it ever occur to you that I believe in an entirely
different single and only god than you?

It is fine with me if you want to believe in multiple gods
that have sex with humans, like the Greek gods did, but
please do not mix your religion with Christianity or
any other religoun for that matter.

Starting to become a bit more clear. I'm a member of
the Church of Jesus Christ, a disciple of the true and
living God. I'm not so sure about you.


Mormons are not Christians; Christians are not
Mormons. Two entirely different religions.

On 01/19/2016 06:06 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/19/2016 6:11 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 03:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/16/2016 4:34 PM, T wrote:
On 01/16/2016 05:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Quite all right. Please be understanding if I'm a
bit suspicious when people ask me for interpretations
of this or that scripture. I've been through that
with T, and his attempts to prove me wrong.


Only attempt to show you that you are not Christian.
Being a Mormon is not such a bad thing.


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. I was bapitzed and confirmed
in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the authority
handed down from Christ, himself. I've been ordained,
and can trace my priesthood line of authority.

Nothing more to say. I don't much care if you believe
me. This, I know to be true. I am a Christian.



To be a Christian you have to believe in Christian
Jesus. You do not. I am so sorry.

You, T, are acting less and less Christian as this
goes along.


You belong to a polytheistic Hellenistic religion. By
calling yourself a Christian, do you seriously believe
you are not inviting the comparison of the obvious?
What Mormons believe about Christ is very offensive
and down right vulgar.

Considering that Christians have far more in common with Jews
than Hellenists do with Christians, if I were to claim to be
Jewish, do you seriously think I would not be inviting
a comparison of the obvious?

If you really want to be a Christian, it is pretty easy.
Otherwise, just be the best Mormon you can be. And be
respectful of other religions. You have not had millions
tortured to death for refusing to worship "Strange" gods
(you know, like the ones that have sex with humans).

You still are a nice guy and are not going to hell.