marybeth wrote:


SNIPPED DRIVEL



How perfectly Stalinist Marybeth is. You do't agree with her, so you
must be shipped to an insane aslm for he rest of your life.

What a hoot.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:05:07 -0800, jJim McLaughlin
wrote:

marybeth wrote:


SNIPPED DRIVEL



How perfectly Stalinist Marybeth is. You do't agree with her, so you
must be shipped to an insane aslm for he rest of your life.

What a hoot.

THE "TWO-COW EXPLANATION" OF WHAT MAKES...

A COMMUNIST:
You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with
milk.

A FASCIST:
You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk.
You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.









--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On 26 Dec 2006 21:51:04 -0800, "marybeth"
wrote:

Society would best be served if you were in a prison psychiatric ward
for the rest of your worthless and miserable life.

You've never been confronted by a rabid dog or even shot one ( it is
very humane) . You never shot a deadly snake; after it posed to
strike, while being 10 miles in a swamp. You never have been in a
position to defend yourself by force. If you've done these things, it
does not warrant a nut house.

I use gun oil for cologne. If you put a dab hind your ears I might be
attracted to you.




--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:27:49 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:05:43 -0500, mm
wrote:
AFAICT, though, Steve has never said where the dogs are. Are they in
the house, in the yard, fenced in yard, tied to a tree, a trolley? ??

They can be sitting on their arse. The dogs ARE, barking.

That we know.

In the early thread; I strongly suggest the dogs were nearly in a
near-by pistol site - lacking a squeeze on the trigger.

If they are indoors and you can't see them, would you shoot up the
whole house trying to hit them?

So I have no comment on the dog situation itself.

And your point is?

You snipped most of my post, including my point. It's in this thread
somewhere.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:06:50 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:27:49 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:05:43 -0500, mm
wrote:
AFAICT, though, Steve has never said where the dogs are. Are they in
the house, in the yard, fenced in yard, tied to a tree, a trolley? ??

They can be sitting on their arse. The dogs ARE, barking.

That we know.

Yes..........barking (constantly) in any situation is a violation
here. on their ass, inside, outside.....it don't matter until you try
to get some compliance from the guy next door.


In the early thread; I strongly suggest the dogs were nearly in a
near-by pistol site - lacking a squeeze on the trigger.

If they are indoors and you can't see them, would you shoot up the
whole house trying to hit them?

You know the answer. The OP frustration would not limit a shot over
the fence... if outside, I saw his point. I've been at wits-end. Did
I punish the animal? No, but I cannot shoot the owner. I suggested
declaring a 911 "duress" call for the pets; not knowing inside/outside
conditions. It's in my post somewhere.

So I have no comment on the dog situation itself.

And your point is?

You snipped most of my post, including my point. It's in this thread
somewhere.

If you had no comment for the *dog situation itself*; being important
in the thread - I'm sorry I snipped in the wrong place...............


--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

Update:

I have filed a grievance with the Neighborhood Justice Center, which means
this goes on paper, and will have to have a legal disposition. This is
handled by the zoning department, and all complaints have to be legally
finalized.

I did learn from a neighbor who said he had a similar problem and went
through gyrations for six weeks. He was told by someone to report the odor
of dog **** to the Health Department. Next day, problem solved.

I have located about six neighbors who are tired of listening to the dog and
who will sign the complaints, so now it will go to the DAs office, and they
will be fined.

BUT, more importantly, if it still continues, I don't have to do this
crackhead tapdance through the legal channels. Just call, give them the
case number, and citations will be issued.

And all this because the last time I went through this, I was a nice
neighbor and said, "Well, the dog quit barking, so we don't need to start a
war in the neighborhood." When I got to this point, I stopped. Not this
time.

Well, cowboy, if you want to rodeo, I'm getting the first ride this time!

Anyone who leaves their dog outside and goes on a week's trip deserves
anything that happens.

Lucky I'm not the type who would just "neurtalize" the dog.

BTW, I saw the dog roaming in front of my house this morning, and called him
in. Maybe the owners are trying to get rid of the dog by letting him roam.
Before this, he has been behind a block wall, and I have seen him for maybe
five minutes in five years. I wouldn't doubt that these pieces of
chicken**** would get rid of the dog in that way.

Tune in for updates..............

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...


Tune in for updates..............

Steve


Definitely post updates. It's always a pleasure to hear of dog owners being
made to suffer.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Steve B" wrote in message
...


Tune in for updates..............

Steve


Definitely post updates. It's always a pleasure to hear of dog owners
being
made to suffer.

I like to see all irresponsible pet owners suffer...beats seeing the
animals suffer.

Cheri

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Steve B" wrote in message
...


Tune in for updates..............

Steve


Definitely post updates. It's always a pleasure to hear of dog owners
being made to suffer.

Per several FBI and Humane Society articles and white papers, those who
abuse animals are also highly likely to abuse people, relatives and kids on
their "most likley" list.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php

If you break it down to its bare essentials:
"Abusing an animal is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment
through the torture of a victim they know cannot defend itself."

Now break down a human crime, say rape. If we substitute a few pronouns,
it's the SAME THING.
"Rape is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through the torture
of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Now try it with, say, domestic abuse such as child abuse or spousal abuse:
"Child abuse is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through the
torture of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Do you see the pattern here?



Animal abuse and youth violence - Bulletin Reports - Brief Article ...
Animal abuse and youth violence - Bulletin Reports - Brief Article
from FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The in News & Society provided free by
LookSmart Find ...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...71/ai_86063217 - 26k -
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The FBI has linked animal abuse to human abuse since the 1970s, when
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that most, ...
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Riverside County Department of Animal Services - Animal Cruelty ...
How Animal Abuse May Indicate Other Deviant Behavior ... and the FBI
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What is animal abuse? Who does it? Why don't we care? ... Every serial
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....

"Pop`" wrote in message
news:WFVkh.975$Rc.875@trnddc03...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Steve B" wrote in message
...


Tune in for updates..............

Steve


Definitely post updates. It's always a pleasure to hear of dog owners
being made to suffer.

Per several FBI and Humane Society articles and white papers, those who
abuse animals are also highly likely to abuse people, relatives and kids
on their "most likley" list.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php

If you break it down to its bare essentials:
"Abusing an animal is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment
through the torture of a victim they know cannot defend itself."

Now break down a human crime, say rape. If we substitute a few pronouns,
it's the SAME THING.
"Rape is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through the
torture of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Now try it with, say, domestic abuse such as child abuse or spousal abuse:
"Child abuse is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through
the torture of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Do you see the pattern here?


I see a pattern. But, it's not applicable to this situation. Most people
have no problem whacking a mosquito if the bug is causing problems. But,
some misguided people put dogs on a throne, as if they are somehow superior
to mosquitoes. They are not. Therefore, if a dog is causing problems, and
these problems cannot be solved without undue inconvenience to the victim,
there is nothing wrong with whacking the dog as if it were a mosquito.

You will disagree with this.

I'm glad and relieved to hear that this has turned the corner, and
Steve might get some respite as well as the dogs may end up in a better
place too.

Sorry you had to go thru all this, and I'm sorry the poor dogs had to
suffer, but sometimes the you just have to be persistant. I'm glad you
got up the nerve to go to some other neighbors, they were probably
thinking the same things you were. Like you said, NOW all you have to
do is make a call. Sounds like the jerks turned out the dogs to shut
them up or throw them away.

Poor dogs, poor Steves nerves. Lets just hope the dogs owners get
what they deserve. And maybe the poor dogs can find a responsible, good
home. ( hey Steve, didn't you say you need a nice dog?)

Lisa^^
Pop` wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Steve B" wrote in message
...


Tune in for updates..............

Steve


Definitely post updates. It's always a pleasure to hear of dog owners
being made to suffer.

Per several FBI and Humane Society articles and white papers, those who
abuse animals are also highly likely to abuse people, relatives and kids on
their "most likley" list.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php

If you break it down to its bare essentials:
"Abusing an animal is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment
through the torture of a victim they know cannot defend itself."

Now break down a human crime, say rape. If we substitute a few pronouns,
it's the SAME THING.
"Rape is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through the torture
of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Now try it with, say, domestic abuse such as child abuse or spousal abuse:
"Child abuse is a way for a human to find power/joy/fulfillment through the
torture of a victim they know cannot defend themselves."

Do you see the pattern here?



Animal abuse and youth violence - Bulletin Reports - Brief Article ...
Animal abuse and youth violence - Bulletin Reports - Brief Article
from FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The in News & Society provided free by
LookSmart Find ...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...71/ai_86063217 - 26k -
Cached - Similar pages

Animal Abuse Potential ~ Pawprints and Purrs, Inc.
The FBI has linked animal abuse to human abuse since the 1970s, when
bureau analysis of the life histories of imprisoned serial killers suggested
that most, ...
www.sniksnak.com/ac/abuse.html - Similar pages

Riverside County Department of Animal Services - Animal Cruelty ...
How Animal Abuse May Indicate Other Deviant Behavior ... and the FBI
uses reports of animal abuse in analyzing the threat potential of suspected
and known ...
www.rcdas.org/cruelty.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

Pahrump Valley Times - Nye County's Largest Newspaper Circulation
What is animal abuse? Who does it? Why don't we care? ... Every serial
killer interviewed by the FBI reported abusing animals as a child. ...
http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/20.../11570431.html -
17k - Cached - Similar pages

Westchester and Putnam Animal-Link.org: Report Animal Cruelty and ...
Report Westchester and Putnam animal abuse, cruelty and neglect. ...
FBI New York 26 Federal Plaza, 23rd. Floor New York, New York 10278-0004 ...
www.animal-link.org/abuse.shtml - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

PAWS: Report Animal Cruelty
The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of
violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers. ...
www.paws.org/help/report/connection.php - Similar pages

Chris Van Hollen's Viewpoint - Doris Day Animal League
The current versions of the FBI's crime reporting data collection
system (the ... they need to better understand the factors associated with
animal abuse, ...
http://www.ddal.org/legislation/view...vanhollen.shtm - 16k - Cached -
Similar pages

Logo mini 3 The Shiloh Project DEADLY SERIOUS: AN FBI PERSPECTIVE ...
HSUS: You have said that the FBI takes the connection between animal
cruelty and ... We look not only for a history of animal abuse, torment, or
torture, ...
www.shilohproject.org/Deadlyseriouspt1.htm - 31k - Cached - Similar
pages


...

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:50:12 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Update:

I have filed a grievance with the Neighborhood Justice Center, which means
this goes on paper, and will have to have a legal disposition. This is
handled by the zoning department, and all complaints have to be legally
finalized.

This is good to know, as it was not the case a few years ago when I
was in your situation. Before it was just a red tape and no final
result.

--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

wrote
....
I'm glad and relieved to hear that this has turned the corner, and
Steve might get some respite as well as the dogs may end up in a better
place too.

In the midst of this, I had a doctor's appointment Dec. 26th, where they put
me on some new meds, back on nitro, and will be doing another angioplasty
soon. I had a 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced 4.5 years ago.
Staying up all night isn't as much fun as it used to be ................

Like you said, NOW all you have to
do is make a call. Sounds like the jerks turned out the dogs to shut
them up or throw them away.

The dog was roaming free this morning.


Poor dogs, poor Steves nerves. Lets just hope the dogs owners get
what they deserve. And maybe the poor dogs can find a responsible, good
home. ( hey Steve, didn't you say you need a nice dog?)

Lisa^^

I had mentioned to my wife that maybe we should offer to keep the dog in the
future, but that didn't fly. One of our current dogs is a rescue Lab/Rott
mix and just a sweetheart.

Two weeks ago, we went to the pound and got an absolutely darling cat for
the one we lost to old age about a month ago.

I have two nice dogs. Well, one nice, and one not so nice. But he's got
character. (He's a Corgi.)

Steve

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:55:19 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


wrote
...
I'm glad and relieved to hear that this has turned the corner, and
Steve might get some respite as well as the dogs may end up in a better
place too.

In the midst of this, I had a doctor's appointment Dec. 26th, where they put
me on some new meds, back on nitro, and will be doing another angioplasty
soon. I had a 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced 4.5 years ago.
Staying up all night isn't as much fun as it used to be ................

Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.
Aggravation is exactly that. Deep breath and count to ten, slowly...

Like you said, NOW all you have to
do is make a call. Sounds like the jerks turned out the dogs to shut
them up or throw them away.

The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If ain't
documented it didn't happen".

Poor dogs, poor Steves nerves. Lets just hope the dogs owners get
what they deserve. And maybe the poor dogs can find a responsible, good
home. ( hey Steve, didn't you say you need a nice dog?)

Lisa^^

I had mentioned to my wife that maybe we should offer to keep the dog in the
future, but that didn't fly. One of our current dogs is a rescue Lab/Rott
mix and just a sweetheart.

Two weeks ago, we went to the pound and got an absolutely darling cat for
the one we lost to old age about a month ago.

I have two nice dogs. Well, one nice, and one not so nice. But he's got
character. (He's a Corgi.)

Steve


--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"Oren" wrote


Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.

We're going up to the cabin on the 5th, hopefully. Don't know if we can
reach the cabin with the recent snow. Taking another truck and trailer load
up to the "new" house. Should be moved all up there by March 1st. Looking
forward to it.


The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If ain't
documented it didn't happen".

I called in the free roaming dog. Last time I let up when they took care of
the dog for a while. Not this time.

This time it goes the full distance.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"Oren" wrote


Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.

We're going up to the cabin on the 5th, hopefully. Don't know if we
can reach the cabin with the recent snow. Taking another truck and
trailer load up to the "new" house. Should be moved all up there by
March 1st. Looking forward to it.


The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If
ain't documented it didn't happen".

I called in the free roaming dog. Last time I let up when they took
care of the dog for a while. Not this time.

This time it goes the full distance.

Steve

Actually, if you lived in NY state, you could have some recourse. Read
Article 26 of the state laws, dept agriculture and cruelty laws.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:40:02 GMT, "Pop`"
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
"Oren" wrote


Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.

We're going up to the cabin on the 5th, hopefully. Don't know if we
can reach the cabin with the recent snow. Taking another truck and
trailer load up to the "new" house. Should be moved all up there by
March 1st. Looking forward to it.


The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If
ain't documented it didn't happen".

I called in the free roaming dog. Last time I let up when they took
care of the dog for a while. Not this time.

This time it goes the full distance.

Steve

Actually, if you lived in NY state, you could have some recourse. Read
Article 26 of the state laws, dept agriculture and cruelty laws.


Where he is moving - his only problem, regarding roaming animals will
be wild life. Now if he moves into AZ state lines and has cows, he
is in a free-range state. You pay for the cattle you run over.

--
Oren

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
Thomas A. Edison

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:40:02 GMT, "Pop`"
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
"Oren" wrote


Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.

We're going up to the cabin on the 5th, hopefully. Don't know if we
can reach the cabin with the recent snow. Taking another truck and
trailer load up to the "new" house. Should be moved all up there by
March 1st. Looking forward to it.


The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If
ain't documented it didn't happen".

I called in the free roaming dog. Last time I let up when they took
care of the dog for a while. Not this time.

This time it goes the full distance.

Steve

Actually, if you lived in NY state, you could have some recourse. Read
Article 26 of the state laws, dept agriculture and cruelty laws.


Where he is moving - his only problem, regarding roaming animals will
be wild life. Now if he moves into AZ state lines and has cows, he
is in a free-range state. You pay for the cattle you run over.

--
Oren

I own land in Mojave County, Arizona.

It's a toss up between Mojave County, Arizona and Washington County, Utah.

Wait. Wait. I know the answer to this one ................

Steve

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:53:51 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:40:02 GMT, "Pop`"
wrote:

Steve B wrote:
"Oren" wrote


Plan an extra trip; early to your cabin, if for nothing else but the
ride or a preemptive move "stuff'. Pack everyone up an go have fun.

We're going up to the cabin on the 5th, hopefully. Don't know if we
can reach the cabin with the recent snow. Taking another truck and
trailer load up to the "new" house. Should be moved all up there by
March 1st. Looking forward to it.


The dog was roaming free this morning.

It's your time to document things with this - make the call. "If
ain't documented it didn't happen".

I called in the free roaming dog. Last time I let up when they took
care of the dog for a while. Not this time.

This time it goes the full distance.

Steve

Actually, if you lived in NY state, you could have some recourse. Read
Article 26 of the state laws, dept agriculture and cruelty laws.


Where he is moving - his only problem, regarding roaming animals will
be wild life. Now if he moves into AZ state lines and has cows, he
is in a free-range state. You pay for the cattle you run over.

--
Oren

I own land in Mojave County, Arizona.

It's a toss up between Mojave County, Arizona and Washington County, Utah.

Wait. Wait. I know the answer to this one ................

Steve


Enjoy......... I can imagine the new Spring leaves (seen them, plus
Fall).

--
Oren

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
Thomas A. Edison