On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:48:54 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


wrote in message ...
I personally love animals, but NOT dogs. In fact I can not stand
dogs. Their barking drives me up a wall, not to mention all their
digging holes, and other bad habits.

Well trained dogs never do those things. When dogs do those things, it's
the irresponsible owners that I can't stand. Pure laziness on the owners
part, just like the owners that left the dogs for Steve to deal with
instead of making arrangements for them to stay in kennel. No excuse for
it.

Cheri


I'll agree with this, but being a farmer, I have had feral dogs and
neighbors dogs coming here and killing my chickens and ducks. I
finally gave up on the chickens and ducks because of the damn dogs. I
cant shoot a dog, but several have left here in a sheriffs squad. One
neighbors dog killed one of my farm cats, and that dog was returned to
the neighbor, in a wooden crate, and I told him if the #%^!&)* thing
ever comes here again, it's dead. Oddly enough, the neighbor told me
to feel free to shoot it if it comes here again. ?????

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...

Some cats are miserable being indoors all the time. Some aren't. If you
can
see past your own nose, it's easy to tell what type of cat you have.


I don't have cats, but if I did, I know it's very easy to get a large
portable kennel enclosure to place in your yard, so your cat has a place
to play etc., and still be safe. I know this because both of my sisters
have them for their cats. I could say that it's easy to tell what type
of cat owner you are too, but it serves no purpose.

Cheri

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...

Some cats are miserable being indoors all the time. Some aren't. If you
can
see past your own nose, it's easy to tell what type of cat you have.


I don't have cats, but if I did, I know it's very easy to get a large
portable kennel enclosure to place in your yard, so your cat has a place
to play etc., and still be safe. I know this because both of my sisters
have them for their cats. I could say that it's easy to tell what type
of cat owner you are too, but it serves no purpose.

Cheri



Those kennels are of no use for a cat which wants to hunt. And, don't tell
me certain types of toys will make that kind of cat happy.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:56 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


Pete C. wrote in message ...
marybeth wrote:


worthless drivel deleted

Dogs are noisy, filthy, worthless vermin and should be banned. No
exceptions. Cats on the other hand should be mandatory.

Pete C.

As long as cat owners take care of their cats properly, I like cats, but
letting them run loose as many cat owners do, is totally irresponsible
and plain laziness on their part too. Hopefully, you're not one of them.

Cheri


Barn cats on farms are always loose, but they stay around the
buildings. It's the stray dogs that COME HERE that cause the
problems. My barn cats follow me around all the time when I am
outside and they get lots of attention from me. Of course a few of
them tend to get under my feet and sooner or later they learn that
they WILL get stepped on. Especially when I am carrying hay bales, I
cant see them down there. They always survive though, and hopefully
learn their lesson. I did have one get kille when a horse stepped on
it though. There is little I can do to stop that. Sometimes I think
cats and dogs are suicidal. I had a cat dart out in front of my car
the other night, on a back country gravel road. I was probably the
only car that used that road in hours. I swear that cat was trying to
get killed. I missed it by a couple feet when I slammed on my brakes.
Really ****ed me off too.....

"JoeSpareBedroom" writes:

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...

My cat goes outdoors, but still yells at the door when she wants to use
the
litter box. She stays on the property. She keeps squirrels out of the
garden. And, she doesn't make obnoxious noises.

Yes, that will be fine until the one day when she doesn't stay in the
yard. It doesn't take much to keep your animals safe...all the time.

Some cats are miserable being indoors all the time. Some aren't. If you can
see past your own nose, it's easy to tell what type of cat you have.

Oh boy, not this thread again.

I've seen cats that want to go out.
They get near the door and then try to run
out between your legs.

But how do you recognize a miserable cat?

"Dan Espen" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" writes:

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...

My cat goes outdoors, but still yells at the door when she wants to use
the
litter box. She stays on the property. She keeps squirrels out of the
garden. And, she doesn't make obnoxious noises.

Yes, that will be fine until the one day when she doesn't stay in the
yard. It doesn't take much to keep your animals safe...all the time.

Some cats are miserable being indoors all the time. Some aren't. If you
can
see past your own nose, it's easy to tell what type of cat you have.

Oh boy, not this thread again.

I've seen cats that want to go out.
They get near the door and then try to run
out between your legs.

But how do you recognize a miserable cat?

Pawing the windows when they see birds or dogs they'd like to sink their
teeth into. Racing from one window sill to the other to get a better look at
their prey. Yelling by the door, once they learn that's the way out. All
sorts of stuff.

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never fed
"cat food."

Cheri

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where it
begins and ends:


+++++++++++++++++++++++
Me: Could you please not let your dog stop in my lawn in the future?
Dog Criminal: Why?
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Dan Espen wrote in message ...

Oh boy, not this thread again.

I've seen cats that want to go out.
They get near the door and then try to run
out between your legs.

But how do you recognize a miserable cat?

LOL, I'm with you there. Seems like we just had this thread a couple of
months ago, with pretty much the same responses, so I am out of it. :-)

Cheri

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned. :-)

Cheri

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned. :-)

Cheri

99.9% of people with dogs will let those dogs stop when they want to. It
doesn't matter that many of them clean it up.

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned. :-)

Cheri

99.9% of people with dogs will let those dogs stop when they want to. It
doesn't matter that many of them clean it up.

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.

Take pictures and turn over to the police so they get fined.

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned. :-)

Cheri

99.9% of people with dogs will let those dogs stop when they want to. It
doesn't matter that many of them clean it up.

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want
your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.

Take pictures and turn over to the police so they get fined.

Pete C.

Better:
Follow them around the neighborhood, about 50 steps behind. Stop when they
stop, walk when they walk. Very strange. :-)

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They
keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but
I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and
the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper
care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where
it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers
house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned.
:-)

Cheri

99.9% of people with dogs will let those dogs stop when they want to.
It
doesn't matter that many of them clean it up.

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want
your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.


99.9% of RUDE dog owners do that. There is no way to clean up the dog
urine, or to stop it from leaving a nasty brown spot on the lawn of
another. These dog owners don't want it in their own yard, that's why
they walk them to other yards. I have a specified place in my back yard
for my dog to do her business, and she goes to the dog park to run
around daily, rain or shine. I know some cities don't have parks, but
luckily we do.

Cheri

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
. ..

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote in message ...
"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They
keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I
have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but
I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and
the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's
fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper
care
of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and
we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone
getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never
fed
"cat food."

Cheri



Even the so-called "good dog owners" are often slime. Tell me what's
wrong
with this conversation, which I've had with numerous people walking
their
dogs. I've enclosed the conversation in plus signs so you know where
it
begins and ends:

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers
house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned.
:-)

Cheri

99.9% of people with dogs will let those dogs stop when they want to.
It
doesn't matter that many of them clean it up.

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want
your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.


99.9% of RUDE dog owners do that. There is no way to clean up the dog
urine, or to stop it from leaving a nasty brown spot on the lawn of
another. These dog owners don't want it in their own yard, that's why
they walk them to other yards. I have a specified place in my back yard
for my dog to do her business, and she goes to the dog park to run
around daily, rain or shine. I know some cities don't have parks, but
luckily we do.

Cheri



We have no official dog parks, but we have a park which used to be
beautiful, but is now ruined by dogs. Great place for people with
coprophilia, though.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:29:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
We have no official dog parks, but we have a park which used to be
beautiful, but is now ruined by dogs. Great place for people with
coprophilia, though.


Steve B, please update us. This thread has gone to ****.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

Steve B wrote:
Two of my neighbors have gone out of town and left their large dogs alone.
The people may be stuck in Denver for all I know.

But, the dogs are barking all night long.

I have called the PD, and they say it is an animal control problem, and to
call them. I have called and left them many messages, but they are off
until sometime after the Holidays, probably early February.

I have Googled under dog barking devices, and all I come up with is those
rated at 25 feet or less.

I want to buy or build something that will make a dog shrivel up in pain for
about two blocks around me. Can anyone direct me to such a device, or give
me the short tour of directions to make such a device?

I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around the
corner.

Appreciate it.

Steve

Why don't you bring them into your house, feed them and let them have a
warm place to stay?

Dogs are inherently friendly animals and want to be loved.

Lewis.

*****

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:29:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
We have no official dog parks, but we have a park which used to be
beautiful, but is now ruined by dogs. Great place for people with
coprophilia, though.


Steve B, please update us. This thread has gone to ****.
--
Oren

{drum crash!}

wrote in message
ups.com...

Steve B wrote:
Two of my neighbors have gone out of town and left their large dogs
alone.
The people may be stuck in Denver for all I know.

But, the dogs are barking all night long.

I have called the PD, and they say it is an animal control problem, and
to
call them. I have called and left them many messages, but they are off
until sometime after the Holidays, probably early February.

I have Googled under dog barking devices, and all I come up with is those
rated at 25 feet or less.

I want to buy or build something that will make a dog shrivel up in pain
for
about two blocks around me. Can anyone direct me to such a device, or
give
me the short tour of directions to make such a device?

I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their
barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around the
corner.

Appreciate it.

Steve

Why don't you bring them into your house, feed them and let them have a
warm place to stay?

Dogs are inherently friendly animals and want to be loved.

Lewis.

Dogs are inherently filthy, smelly, stupid animals with disgusting habits.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:44:14 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Two of my neighbors have gone out of town and left their large dogs alone.
The people may be stuck in Denver for all I know.

But, the dogs are barking all night long.

I have called the PD, and they say it is an animal control problem, and to
call them. I have called and left them many messages, but they are off
until sometime after the Holidays, probably early February.

I have Googled under dog barking devices, and all I come up with is those
rated at 25 feet or less.

I want to buy or build something that will make a dog shrivel up in pain for
about two blocks around me. Can anyone direct me to such a device, or give
me the short tour of directions to make such a device?

I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around the
corner.

Appreciate it.

Steve


I went this old link on google. Text cut and pasted (one dead link
removed) and don't know if this works.. maybe you ??

(paste on)

creedmore,

Tell me what you think of this idea. You could begin doing it every
day as soon as the offending neighbors get home. Their dogs will
drive THEM crazy, and maybe they would then take action..

There's a lot more ideas at this link, including how to make the
device. This guy started it in the early am and "barked the dogs
out."

Subject: Barking Howling Neighbors Dogs

...."I made a rparabolic speake (reversed a parabolic microphone) and
used a dog whistle tuned to the frequency that annoyed the dogs the
most. Then I placed it in the focal point of the dish, powered it
using an aquarium pump and directed it toward the space where the dogs
were kept. It went on day and night for about three days and soon
there was silence, sweet silence.

Note this post:

Posted by BORDERS: February 10th, 2005 at 12:01pm ...for the best
instructions.

Still looking...

~~Cynthia

(paste off)

--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Steve B wrote:
Two of my neighbors have gone out of town and left their large dogs
alone.
The people may be stuck in Denver for all I know.

But, the dogs are barking all night long.

I have called the PD, and they say it is an animal control problem, and
to
call them. I have called and left them many messages, but they are off
until sometime after the Holidays, probably early February.

I have Googled under dog barking devices, and all I come up with is those
rated at 25 feet or less.

I want to buy or build something that will make a dog shrivel up in pain
for
about two blocks around me. Can anyone direct me to such a device, or
give
me the short tour of directions to make such a device?

I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their
barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around the
corner.

Appreciate it.

Steve

Why don't you bring them into your house, feed them and let them have a
warm place to stay?

Dogs are inherently friendly animals and want to be loved.

Lewis.

Dogs are inherently filthy, smelly, stupid animals with disgusting habits.

Always delightful to hear from you, Joe.

Lewis.

*****

wrote in message
ps.com...


Dogs are inherently friendly animals and want to be loved.

Lewis.

Dogs are inherently filthy, smelly, stupid animals with disgusting
habits.

Always delightful to hear from you, Joe.

Lewis.


The truth is always a thing of beauty.

I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their
barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around
the
corner.

Not necessarily. My brother owns two dachshunds that barked
incessantly. The neighbors sued him, forcing him to put these devices
on their collars that sent an electric shock when they barked. This
worked for a while, but they got used to the shocks and the barking
continued. The neighbor's complained and they had to have the dog's
vocal cords cut. The damn things still tried to bark, but managed only
a whisper.

In article .com, wrote:
I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their
barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around
the
corner.

Not necessarily. My brother owns two dachshunds that barked
incessantly. The neighbors sued him, forcing him to put these devices
on their collars that sent an electric shock when they barked. This
worked for a while, but they got used to the shocks and the barking
continued. The neighbor's complained and they had to have the dog's
vocal cords cut. The damn things still tried to bark, but managed only
a whisper.

Would've made a lot more sense to find out why the dogs were barking, and
eliminate the cause...

For the barking to tick off the neighbors, it would seem the dogs were
outdoors. If they were barking because he left them outdoors 24x7, then the
correct solution to the problem would have been to give the dogs away to a
responsible owner who would care for them properly.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
t...
In article .com,
wrote:
I know if the dogs will just get some negative responses to their
barking,
they will probably quit. But for now, it's about to drive me around
the
corner.

Not necessarily. My brother owns two dachshunds that barked
incessantly. The neighbors sued him, forcing him to put these devices
on their collars that sent an electric shock when they barked. This
worked for a while, but they got used to the shocks and the barking
continued. The neighbor's complained and they had to have the dog's
vocal cords cut. The damn things still tried to bark, but managed only
a whisper.

Would've made a lot more sense to find out why the dogs were barking, and
eliminate the cause...

For the barking to tick off the neighbors, it would seem the dogs were
outdoors. If they were barking because he left them outdoors 24x7, then
the
correct solution to the problem would have been to give the dogs away to a
responsible owner who would care for them properly.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)


The solutions you suggest require a judge with some sense. That's very rare.
In addition, the judge may be a dog owner, which means he/she should recuse
him/herself from the case. That almost never happens except with
high-visibility legal proceedings.

Would've made a lot more sense to find out why the dogs were barking,
and
eliminate the cause...
For the barking to tick off the neighbors, it would seem the dogs were
outdoors

I believe they were being left in a screened porch. They seemed to
think the dogs competed with each other. The neighbors were elderly
and home all day, which made them more sensitive to the noise issue.

Out of curiosity, I looked up in a number of dog training books what
the proper solution was for barking, but none of the authors seemed to
have a sure fire cure. As I recall, the typical explanation was
insecurity and the only solution was to make the dogs more secure.
Punishing them was not generally effective.

My sister-in-law grew up with the same breed of dog and never had this
problem; they'd had an earlier dog that wasn't a barker. These dogs
also had the problem of urinating on the floor when they got excited,
such as when you petted them. My brother hated these dogs.

Did the family cause the problem somehow? I don't know. I'm generally
inclined to think bad dogs have bad families, but I'm also open to the
idea that even the best environment can't *always* overcome genetics.

"Pete C." wrote

Cats on the other hand should be mandatory.

Absolutely, they make the best Piñata! They last longer when dangled by
their tail, instead of their neck.

In article . com, wrote:
Would've made a lot more sense to find out why the dogs were barking,
and
eliminate the cause...
For the barking to tick off the neighbors, it would seem the dogs were
outdoors

I believe they were being left in a screened porch.

Then they should have been given away to a responsible owner who knows how to
care for dogs properly.

They seemed to
think the dogs competed with each other.

Not relevant. Confining dogs all day in a small area is not proper care, and
responsible dog owners don't do that.

The neighbors were elderly
and home all day, which made them more sensitive to the noise issue.

Not relevant. If the dogs were being cared for properly, there would not have
been a "noise issue".

Out of curiosity, I looked up in a number of dog training books what
the proper solution was for barking, but none of the authors seemed to
have a sure fire cure.

Well, DUH! Dogs bark for many reasons. The idea that there is one "sure fire
cure" for a behavior with multiple causes is insanity.

Dogs bark to chase away intruders. They bark to warn their humans of dangers
such as fire (or intruders). They bark when they're bored. They bark when
they're excited. They bark when they're fearful. They bark when they're happy
and want to play. They bark when they're ****ed off. They bark when they're
startled. And so forth.

As I recall, the typical explanation was
insecurity and the only solution was to make the dogs more secure.

That's one cause, and one solution.

Punishing them was not generally effective.

It rarely is.

My sister-in-law grew up with the same breed of dog and never had this
problem;

I bet she didn't confine them to a screened porch all day long, either.

they'd had an earlier dog that wasn't a barker. These dogs
also had the problem of urinating on the floor when they got excited,
such as when you petted them. My brother hated these dogs.

There are ways of training dogs to eliminate almost any undesired behavior.

Did the family cause the problem somehow?

Yes.

I don't know. I'm generally
inclined to think bad dogs have bad families,

Yes.

but I'm also open to the
idea that even the best environment can't *always* overcome genetics.

It certainly can mitigate genetics to a great extent.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Sheena wrote:
"Pete C." wrote

Cats on the other hand should be mandatory.

Absolutely, they make the best Piñata! They last longer when dangled by
their tail, instead of their neck.

Our cat, (I say *ours* only because it lived here) was snatched up by
coyotes. Nothing left but a bunch of fur in the front yard. What a
relief, I can't even remember its name and its only been a couple of
weeks. eg Now my two wonderful dogs get *all* the attention, (as God
intended it).

Oren wrote:

I stopped and explained the constant barking next door.

Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."


Finally I understand the import of your quotation.

Sheena wrote:

"Pete C." wrote

Cats on the other hand should be mandatory.

Absolutely, they make the best Piñata! They last longer when dangled by
their tail, instead of their neck.

Dogs are better for that, they last longer before spilling their
"candy". Cats enjoy watching.

Pete C.

Sev wrote:
Oren wrote:

I stopped and explained the constant barking next door.

Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."


Finally I understand the import of your quotation.

What is it?

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:00:07 -0800, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom
wrote:


wrote in message ...

Either way, I just am not a dog person. My favorite animals are
horses, but I love my barn cats too, and have 14 of them. They keep
the mice population down too, and one of them also kills rats. I have
had dogs, and I have even tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I
just dont care for em. The last dog I had, (puppy) drove me nuts
with it's 24/7 barking. I gave it to a guy who wanted a dog, and the
dog saved his life by barking when a house fire started during the
night. I guess there's a reason for everything.....

I totally understand. Lots of people aren't dog people, and that's fine.
It's the people that insist on having them and not taking proper care of
them that are the problem. When I was young we lived on a ranch and we
had barn cats too, but they were truly feral. No way was anyone getting
close enough to pet them or anything like that, and they were never fed
"cat food."

Cheri


My cats get cat food daily, and all of them are very friendly. Only
one of them came here as a feral tom. He just showed up one day about
3 years ago. He would not come near me, but hung nearby all the time.
One day he let me pet him, and has been here since. He does tend to
leave for a few days at a time, but always comes back. I know he
visits other farms, and being a tom, he has his business to do. He is
a very large cat compared to myt others, but he is absolutely lovable.
I have often thought about having him fixed so he stays around more,
but I'm not sure if thats a good idea or not. I dont over feed my
barn cats though, or they would not take care of the mice. When it
gets extremely cold, they all get to come in the house, but stay in a
large rabbit cage because they are not really house trained, and I am
alergic to indoor cats too. I just cant leave them out when the temps
get below zero, but thats only a few days a year.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:57:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

A nice dish of antifreeze will take care of the problem nicely. If you'd
prefer to do the wrong thing, wait until morning, pick a veterinarian out of
the phone book, call and ask for the name of an organization that will come
and remove the dogs. Never call the municipal animal control department.
With few exceptions, they are useless.


If that was supposed to be funny, you need a humor transplant.

If you are serious, you are a far bigger asshole than I've given you
credit for.

Steve B wrote:
"marybeth" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Steve,

It seems that people always think of negative things to do, which of
course inflict pain, suffering and damage. Did you know that there
are positive things that will better achieve any goal in life. A
good dog trainer could give you the answer in a minute about how to
calm the dogs. Maybe they need some food or water. Maybe some
attention. It is truly a shame to see the cruel and destructive replies
here.
Replies which explain how to kill the dogs or leave them run loose to
be killed. It is a sad and deplorable comment on people and the way
they think and behave. It explains why the world is in the condition
it is in.

Why should the dogs have to pay the price for the deplorable behavior
of their owners?

Most likely the owners are not stuck in Denver. Why such a negative
assumption? Hopefully the owners are on the way home.

So the Animal Control is closed until after the Holidays, which you
say is probably in early February. Wow you sure take a long Holiday
in your area or are you just being excessively negative again?

A radio playing some nice music could help calm the dogs, or you.

For you cruel people who recommend killing the dogs with a gun, or
poisoning them to an agonizing death with antifreeze, or letting them
run loose to be slaughtered by an automobile accident which could
also kill people riding in the automobiles, ..... well you have a
real nice Holiday, and remember a man is as he thinks.

Well said.



I guess you didn't read the part that said they do this on a regular
basis.

I know I didn't miss it; and it changes nothing in the points above that I
agreed to. You're using this as an excuse, that's obvious, to impart your
threats and to attack the loss of control you feel over the situation. If
that happens on a regular basis, why is it NOW you've chosen to complain to
a place where nothing can be done about it, and you can remain completely
anonymous?

And please explain how people who are too brain dead to even provide a
caregiver or shelter to a dog would work with all the warm and fuzzy
suggestions you have.

Personally, I can not. I also can not explain the same about your spoken
sentiments of brutality and lack of respect for life. Why is it NOW you
choose to do something? It wouldn't be because you have some ready-made
problems put in front of you, would it?

You seem to be insinuating that this is my problem,

Yes, it IS your problem, although you're reading between her lines a little
self indulgently. It is YOUR problem now, because up until this point you
have chosen to ignore what you intimate is a long ongoing problem. Your
allegations and credibility are highly supect in my opinion.

and that I am the
one who needs to get things straight.

You do need to get things straight. You already could have. But you
didn't. And you won't. Your BS about the dog control officer is just that;
BS. But if you admitted that, you wouldn't be able to threaten the life and
existence of those animals and even your neighbors. No wonder no one
listens to you.

Post where you live: I'll send you a phone number or address of a place to
visit to make your complaint. All I need is county/city/state/zip.



Steve

wrote

I had a cat dart out in front of my car
the other night, on a back country gravel road. I was probably the
only car that used that road in hours. I swear that cat was trying to
get killed. I missed it by a couple feet when I slammed on my brakes.
Really ****ed me off too.....

They do it all the time where I live. I think they're bored, and all get
back together and have a good laugh about it. Like in the squirrel
commercial.

Steve

"GWB" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:57:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

A nice dish of antifreeze will take care of the problem nicely. If you'd
prefer to do the wrong thing, wait until morning, pick a veterinarian out
of
the phone book, call and ask for the name of an organization that will
come
and remove the dogs. Never call the municipal animal control department.
With few exceptions, they are useless.


If that was supposed to be funny, you need a humor transplant.

If you are serious, you are a far bigger asshole than I've given you
credit for.


When it comes to dogs, you are probably right. I'm a complete asshole. But,
then again, so are the vast majority of dog owners.

"Pop`" wrote in message
news:wRhkh.720$Rc.376@trnddc03...
Steve B wrote:
"marybeth" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Steve,

It seems that people always think of negative things to do, which of
course inflict pain, suffering and damage. Did you know that there
are positive things that will better achieve any goal in life. A
good dog trainer could give you the answer in a minute about how to
calm the dogs. Maybe they need some food or water. Maybe some
attention. It is truly a shame to see the cruel and destructive replies
here.
Replies which explain how to kill the dogs or leave them run loose to
be killed. It is a sad and deplorable comment on people and the way
they think and behave. It explains why the world is in the condition
it is in.

Why should the dogs have to pay the price for the deplorable behavior
of their owners?

Most likely the owners are not stuck in Denver. Why such a negative
assumption? Hopefully the owners are on the way home.

So the Animal Control is closed until after the Holidays, which you
say is probably in early February. Wow you sure take a long Holiday
in your area or are you just being excessively negative again?

A radio playing some nice music could help calm the dogs, or you.

For you cruel people who recommend killing the dogs with a gun, or
poisoning them to an agonizing death with antifreeze, or letting them
run loose to be slaughtered by an automobile accident which could
also kill people riding in the automobiles, ..... well you have a
real nice Holiday, and remember a man is as he thinks.

Well said.



I guess you didn't read the part that said they do this on a regular
basis.

I know I didn't miss it; and it changes nothing in the points above that I
agreed to. You're using this as an excuse, that's obvious, to impart your
threats and to attack the loss of control you feel over the situation. If
that happens on a regular basis, why is it NOW you've chosen to complain
to a place where nothing can be done about it, and you can remain
completely anonymous?

And please explain how people who are too brain dead to even provide a
caregiver or shelter to a dog would work with all the warm and fuzzy
suggestions you have.

Personally, I can not. I also can not explain the same about your spoken
sentiments of brutality and lack of respect for life. Why is it NOW you
choose to do something? It wouldn't be because you have some ready-made
problems put in front of you, would it?

You seem to be insinuating that this is my problem,

Yes, it IS your problem, although you're reading between her lines a
little self indulgently. It is YOUR problem now, because up until this
point you have chosen to ignore what you intimate is a long ongoing
problem. Your allegations and credibility are highly supect in my
opinion.

and that I am the
one who needs to get things straight.

You do need to get things straight. You already could have. But you
didn't. And you won't. Your BS about the dog control officer is just
that; BS. But if you admitted that, you wouldn't be able to threaten the
life and existence of those animals and even your neighbors. No wonder no
one listens to you.

Post where you live: I'll send you a phone number or address of a place
to visit to make your complaint. All I need is county/city/state/zip.



Steve




Hoo, boy. Been overmedicating again, huh?

Let's start at the beginning.

This dog has been doing this for over a year now.

We have called Animal Control at least 25 times on it.

They only work daylight hours, so won't come out at night to hear the dog.

They can only write a citation if THEY hear the dog.

A citizen, with two witnesses, can file a complaint with the district
attorney's office.

The issue can be requested to be sent to the Neighborhood Justice Committee,
a mediation service.

Animal control gets more involved if abuse is reported.

I reported over Thanksgiving weekend, another several days when the dog was
abandoned, but no one showed up.

This week weather here has been in the low thirties at night. You speak
piously down to people who would be cruel to animals. Might these dog
owners meet your requirements?

What do you know? Today, Animal Control left a notice on the people's door
for not providing the dog shelter. Nothing to do with the barking.

I have sent for a very large ultrasonic generator. It is used in tandem
with three others, and in harmony, they will cause people to have a headache
for a week. I will only use one. Google LRAD

Next time I have a barking dog, I shall quickly solve the problem myself.

I can't wait to hit the switch on this baby. It is noiseless, and is
mobile. I can drive around the whole neighborhood and nail each loudmouth
dog with a good jolt of its own medicine.

Steve

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote

I do not consider a dog owner who walks their dog past anothers house,
allowing the dog to urinate or defecate on someone elses property, a
"good dog owner." They are slime IMO, and should be publicly caned. :-)

Cheri

I have witnessed caning in foreign countries. It hurts just to watch!

I believe it would be a good punishment in the US for certain things, like
bonehead pet owners, graffiti sprayers, etc.

Steve

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:09:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

By the way, the correct answer was "It doesn't matter why I don't want
your
dog stopping here". Civil trespass, in other words.


In most places you don't own the first 10 feet from the road so you
can't file tresspassing charges but there are "clean up after your
dog" laws that may apply. Stray dogs are as bad as stray cats.
Folks don't like digging up cat **** in their potted plants either.

Actually, you *do* own it. The town and the utilities have permanent
easements for that strip, but all normal property laws apply, including
civil trespass. Ask your lawyer. I got this from our town justice, who
instructed two police supervisors who had the same misinformation you do.