Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think. But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

Lots of witnesses and I was in the right. The lady that did it was really nice
and even brought me home. I thought I might need the ambulance that arrived but
once my leg was not numb I could feel it was not broken just bruised up a lot.
So she brought me home gave me 100.00 to get a helmet and will fix the bike.
Sure glad the frame is a good steel frame.
I do admit I forgot to turn on my front flasher. It is a xenon flasher so it
would have been visible. I don’t usually ride that time of day and I was in a
hurry and forgot. But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off the
brake pedal. (She admits she was at fault) so it may not have made a difference.


well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday. I know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Steve, I am glad you weren't hurt. BTW, two days for the pain to kick in,
not one.

As an aside, give us some warning next time so we can buy a few collector
pieces before you bite the big one.

Seriously though, you're lucky (and so are we) that you're still around.

Take care,
--
Greg


"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...
Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I
could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were
wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is
one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled
out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the
left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think.
But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure
saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced
off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get
hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

Lots of witnesses and I was in the right. The lady that did it was really
nice
and even brought me home. I thought I might need the ambulance that
arrived but
once my leg was not numb I could feel it was not broken just bruised up a
lot.
So she brought me home gave me 100.00 to get a helmet and will fix the
bike.
Sure glad the frame is a good steel frame.
I do admit I forgot to turn on my front flasher. It is a xenon flasher so
it
would have been visible. I don't usually ride that time of day and I was
in a
hurry and forgot. But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off
the
brake pedal. (She admits she was at fault) so it may not have made a
difference.


well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more
sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I
could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed
face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit
for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday. I
know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front
detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

In article ,
Steve Knight wrote:

But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off the
brake pedal.

Well there's her problem right there. Jeez everyone knows you must
secure the item to the pedal. That's why I only use broccoli with the
rubber band or a rump roast with the netting - something that'll hold it
securely to the brake pedal.

Glad to hear things weren't worse Steve... as in my opening The
Oregonian this morning to read about some plane builder losing his sole
on 82nd Street. Those helmets are life savers. I have no doubt that it
quite likely saved mine - or at least averted some severe head trauma.

A couple years back I was peddling errands around my little 'berg with
my then 3 year old daughter in a carrier mounted behind the saddle. (She
had her helmet on too - picture Peanuts comic strip with Rerun.) Anyway,
I was making a turn onto a city street with a train track that runs down
the center. My front wheel got pulled into and became trapped in the
deep and narrow rut between the rail and the surrounding pavement. The
handlebars were ripped out of my grasp and a split second later I was
going over the front of the bike. I tucked my arm against my chest
hoping to roll off my side and shoulder rather than land on an
outstretched hand/arm. I hit the pavement pretty hard on my entire right
side - from hip to shoulder. I recall the bang of my helmet hitting the
roadway and scrambled to my feet as quickly as I could to get me and my
daughter out of any traffic that might not see us on the ground.

Luckily she was A-OK. A little jostled around but still held securely in
her seat/rollcage. My helmet was cracked in two places and if not for
the outer plastic shell would have been in pieces. My bike was OK. Still
very shaken I rode home with her saying, "Go slower daddy. Go slower."
It scares me to think of what might have happened had I not previously
developed the habit of wearing a helmet. It is absolutely the number one
requirement in our household before any bike riding takes place.

--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____

The problem in this country is that the bar is constantly being lowered;
we then cheer clearing the bar as a great accomplishment and achievment.

"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...
snip
well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more
sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I
could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed
face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit
for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)

Glad you're not hurt any worse Steve, and bike parts can be fixed or
replaced!

Try the words "adrenalin shock". Some years back ('86) I hit & killed a good
sized doe riding my '80 Kawasaki KZ1300 full dresser.
Bike was almost stopped when I hit, but @ that point the rear wheel was
lifting from severe front brake, I was already starting to lift out of the
saddle, and after impact the bike just sort of laid down, maybe slid a
couple feet max. I flew about 8-10', worst damage was the knee of my jeans,
gloves jacket & helmet covered everything else. Friend & SIL came up over
the hill behind me in a car, we picked bike up, rode to friends house for
several coffees, rode bike home(frame mount fairing the brunt of impact.
IIRC, this bike weighed about 1050-1100, the deer was 20' away, stone dead,
& it looked like an explosion in a mattress factory, as it was late Apr.
early May, so they were shedding).

Tried to go to work the next morning, lasted about 1/2hr. EVERYTHING hurt!
Went home, took a handful of aspirin & went back to bed for about 3-4hr.
Pain settled enough so I could function the rest of the day, and was gone
after about 3 days. There was a little local trauma in the wrists and
shoulders from the "landing", but I expected that. just wasn't prepared for
the "total body" experience.

The ironic part is, that was supposed to be my last ride on the KZ, as I
went to pick up my '84 Gold Wing the next night.

--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.

People are WAY too unconscious and/or rude for safe riding these days. And
some are just mean!

I'm basically dumb enough to do anything more or less normal, but my BMW
stays in the basement. I rode a '47 Harley in the 60s and wish I still had
it!

Good luck healing up!
Wilson

"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...
Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I
could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were
wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is
one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled
out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the
left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think.
But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure
saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced
off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get
hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

Lots of witnesses and I was in the right. The lady that did it was really
nice
and even brought me home. I thought I might need the ambulance that
arrived but
once my leg was not numb I could feel it was not broken just bruised up a
lot.
So she brought me home gave me 100.00 to get a helmet and will fix the
bike.
Sure glad the frame is a good steel frame.
I do admit I forgot to turn on my front flasher. It is a xenon flasher so
it
would have been visible. I don't usually ride that time of day and I was
in a
hurry and forgot. But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off
the
brake pedal. (She admits she was at fault) so it may not have made a
difference.


well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more
sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I
could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed
face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit
for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday.
I know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front
detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Glad to hear that you were not hurt too badly Steve. If you have not yet,
it may be a good idea to fill out a police report just in case.


"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...
Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I
could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were
wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is
one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled
out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the
left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think.
But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure
saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced
off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get
hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

Lots of witnesses and I was in the right. The lady that did it was really
nice
and even brought me home. I thought I might need the ambulance that
arrived but
once my leg was not numb I could feel it was not broken just bruised up a
lot.
So she brought me home gave me 100.00 to get a helmet and will fix the
bike.
Sure glad the frame is a good steel frame.
I do admit I forgot to turn on my front flasher. It is a xenon flasher so
it
would have been visible. I don't usually ride that time of day and I was
in a
hurry and forgot. But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off
the
brake pedal. (She admits she was at fault) so it may not have made a
difference.


well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more
sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I
could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed
face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit
for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday. I
know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front
detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Ouch! Steve, I hope you are alright (or at least healing fast). And
that's not just because you're working on two planes for me!

As a fellow bicyclist, I understand the trails and travails of
bicycling out in that confusion of motorists... Even here, in Boulder,
Colorado which is one of the most bike friendly places in the US, I
have close calls and encounter an occasional rude driver...

The woman that hit you at least was sorry and tried to make things
right!

Wonder how cocobolo helmets would go over?

My SWMBO says I should give up that dangerous sport of road biking and
concentrate 100% on woodworking. I still want both so maybe combining
them in someway....wood helmets or wood saddlebags or fairings
or....hmmmm, at least I'd have a niche market.

Remember the ibprofen and get well soon.


Steve Knight wrote in message . ..
Well today was fun.
[snip]

Steve Knight did say:
well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday. I know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

Glad you're OK Steve. As for the shoulder pain, after having hit head
first, you may very well have a bit of a neck injury. Might be smart to
visit your doc and get him to look at it. At the least, take it very easy
on your neck for a little while.
Cycling in traffic AND making your living with woodworking tools... Hope
you've got at least one safe activity in your life. I've tasted the
fenders of a couple of trucks myself, as well as my share of asphalt.
As all of us cyclists know, it's the inattentive four wheel
operators that are the real danger out there. We're far more vulnerable
than those wrapped in steel and airbags.

Preach Mode
For those of you who don't ride, next time you see a motorcycle or bicycle
on the road, take a moment to notice how people in cars get MUCH closer to
them than they would to another car. They should really give two wheelers
more room than normal for safety's sake.
I guess people don't feel threatened by the smaller vehicle, and feel safe
themselves. Give us a little more room, please.
/Preach Mode

Never Enough Money did say:

Wonder how cocobolo helmets would go over?

Going to start doing some night riding since the days are getting shorter,
and wanted to extend the rear flasher to the left side of my LeMond about
twelve inches. I've read that doing that keeps people from getting too
close as they drive by.
Anyway, I'm doing a bent laminated mount that will clamp to the seat post
and extend a rear flasher twelve inches to the left. May as well give it
an aero profile. I suspect it won't be the last wood project for the bike.
Hmmm... what wood looks best with Ti and Al?

Russ

WoodMangler wrote:

Steve Knight did say:
well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more
sore. my leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit
funny but I could walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit
them (I landed face down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed
them. every time I sit for a hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday.
I know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front
detailer is toast and maybe the cranks.

Glad you're OK Steve. As for the shoulder pain, after having hit head
first, you may very well have a bit of a neck injury. Might be smart to
visit your doc and get him to look at it. At the least, take it very easy
on your neck for a little while.
Cycling in traffic AND making your living with woodworking tools... Hope
you've got at least one safe activity in your life. I've tasted the
fenders of a couple of trucks myself, as well as my share of asphalt.
As all of us cyclists know, it's the inattentive four wheel
operators that are the real danger out there. We're far more vulnerable
than those wrapped in steel and airbags.

Preach Mode
For those of you who don't ride, next time you see a motorcycle or bicycle
on the road, take a moment to notice how people in cars get MUCH closer to
them than they would to another car. They should really give two wheelers
more room than normal for safety's sake.
I guess people don't feel threatened by the smaller vehicle, and feel safe
themselves. Give us a little more room, please.

When I encounter a bicycle I assume that the guy is going to fall off in
front of me--the way a lot of folks ride it's not that risky a bet. But
it's frustrating to have to trundle along at bicycle speed because giving
the guy adequate clearance would mean going into oncoming traffic.
Especially when the bicyclist is usually oblivious to the laws in most
states that require slow moving vehicles to move aside at the earliest
opportunity when there is a line of traffic blocked up behind them.

But, I'm going to add another preach--TEACH YOUR KIDS TO RIDE _WITH_ TRAFFIC
not _AGAINST_ it. If somebody's on a bicycle in the wrong lane you don't
always have lot of time to react. One of the scariest things I ever saw
was four kids on bicycles, southbound in the northbound right hand lane of
an Interstate highway, in moderately heavy traffic, back when the speed
limit was 70. I got off at the next exit and called the Highway Patrol who
I had the distinct impression thought I was crazy. Didn't hear anything
about them on the news so presumably they got caught before they got hit.
If ever I've seen a miracle, their survival was it. If I'd been in the
right lane instead of the left when I saw them, I don't know that I'd have
been able to stop or dodge before I hit one of them.

/Preach Mode

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

WoodMangler wrote:

Never Enough Money did say:

Wonder how cocobolo helmets would go over?

Going to start doing some night riding since the days are getting shorter,
and wanted to extend the rear flasher to the left side of my LeMond about
twelve inches. I've read that doing that keeps people from getting too
close as they drive by.
Anyway, I'm doing a bent laminated mount that will clamp to the seat post
and extend a rear flasher twelve inches to the left. May as well give it
an aero profile. I suspect it won't be the last wood project for the bike.
Hmmm... what wood looks best with Ti and Al?

Ebony or blackwood might fit in with the high-tech look. But you also I
presume want it to stand up to the elements and survive a spill in
reasonably good order, so maybe something strong and decay resistant like
Lapacho would be good. But that would add a little weight (heck, it
wouldn't add as much as ebony). Or if you're going with "aircraft quality"
then Sitka spruce.

Russ

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Preach Mode
For those of you who don't ride, next time you see a motorcycle or bicycle
on the road, take a moment to notice how people in cars get MUCH closer to
them than they would to another car. They should really give two wheelers
more room than normal for safety's sake.
I guess people don't feel threatened by the smaller vehicle, and feel safe
themselves. Give us a little more room, please.
/Preach Mode

Hmmm...you know, you're right. I never noticed that. I've actually done
that. I'll think twice about it next time.

My pet peeve is bike riders who ride down the center of the lane like they
own the road, and expect you to pass them on a double yellow or a blind
curve. While car drivers definitely don't give bike riders enough room, I
see plenty of bike riders who aren't aware of what the road looks like from
the car point of view. I do that now when I ride my bike -- if I'm on a
blind curve, or a hill where there is no way a car could see past me enough
to pass safely, I make sure I'm as far to the right as possible.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:40:15 GMT, Steve Knight
calmly ranted:

Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think. But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

I'm glad to hear that you're OK and that she admitted guilt and paid.
the bike, more often it pays to get a new one vs. trying to repair
a sprung frame. Look for new replacement bikes, then take both figures
to the lady. She might even spring for an upgrade since you haven't
threatened to sue her. Remember the fluorescent vest, helmet, and your
xenon flasher/lights next time, eh?

Did I tell you I finally fixed that shoulder plane of yours? The
second brass strip fell off (mine was an early model before you
found that the epoxy didn't hold metal to wood really well) so I
put a jarrah sole on it. She's sweet again.

The LVT flushcut saw worked well and was small enough to fit inside
the throat to cut the mouth. I used my new Japan Woodworker ryoba to
cut the ends off.

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----------
http://diversify.com Poly-free Website Development

mark did say:


My pet peeve is bike riders who ride down the center of the lane like they
own the road, and expect you to pass them on a double yellow or a blind
curve. While car drivers definitely don't give bike riders enough room, I
see plenty of bike riders who aren't aware of what the road looks like from
the car point of view. I do that now when I ride my bike -- if I'm on a
blind curve, or a hill where there is no way a car could see past me enough
to pass safely, I make sure I'm as far to the right as possible.

Usually, that is the best way. But, on some roads where there isn't enough
room on the right side for a cyclist to ride, and for a car to pass them
without at least partially crossing the centerline, it is safer for the
cyclist to get out in the road. People will literally nudge you with their
rear view mirrors in an attempt to pass you without crossing the
centerline. I've had it happen. When the road is too narrow, I'd rather
have people waiting behind me for a couple of seconds while I round the
curve than be pushed into the ditch by an impatient driver.

Usually, that is the best way. But, on some roads where there isn't enough
room on the right side for a cyclist to ride, and for a car to pass them
without at least partially crossing the centerline, it is safer for the
cyclist to get out in the road. People will literally nudge you with their
rear view mirrors in an attempt to pass you without crossing the
centerline. I've had it happen. When the road is too narrow, I'd rather
have people waiting behind me for a couple of seconds while I round the
curve than be pushed into the ditch by an impatient driver.

Yeah, good point.

J. Clarke did say:

When I encounter a bicycle I assume that the guy is going to fall off in
front of me--the way a lot of folks ride it's not that risky a bet. But
it's frustrating to have to trundle along at bicycle speed because giving
the guy adequate clearance would mean going into oncoming traffic.
Especially when the bicyclist is usually oblivious to the laws in most
states that require slow moving vehicles to move aside at the earliest
opportunity when there is a line of traffic blocked up behind them.

But, I'm going to add another preach--TEACH YOUR KIDS TO RIDE _WITH_ TRAFFIC
not _AGAINST_ it. If somebody's on a bicycle in the wrong lane you don't
always have lot of time to react. One of the scariest things I ever saw
was four kids on bicycles, southbound in the northbound right hand lane of
an Interstate highway, in moderately heavy traffic, back when the speed
limit was 70. I got off at the next exit and called the Highway Patrol who
I had the distinct impression thought I was crazy. Didn't hear anything
about them on the news so presumably they got caught before they got hit.
If ever I've seen a miracle, their survival was it. If I'd been in the
right lane instead of the left when I saw them, I don't know that I'd have
been able to stop or dodge before I hit one of them.

It's certainly important for cyclists to understand the rules of the road.
More-so since we'll pay a higher price for misunderstandings than the
multi-ton machines we butt heads with.

I do understand that it is frustrating to be stuck behind someone slow,
especially when they've ignored opportunities to allow faster traffic to
pass safely. Some, unlike you, choose to physically remove the obstacle
from their path - endangering lives to alleviate their frustration. I'm
likely to pull around these inconsiderate cyclists at the first safe
opportunity to do so, then stop a ways ahead, and when they
catch up offer them my view of how an experienced rider might have ridden
that stretch of road. I've done that a few times, and have never had an
unpleasant interaction with them. Cyclists, like woodworkers, are always
interested in knowing how to engage in their pastime safely. Since that
means less worry and fear, that almost always translates into more
enjoyably.

As for riding a bicycle against traffic on a busy Interstate... Well,
there's natural selection to consider.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:49 +1000, "Greg Millen" wrote:

Steve, I am glad you weren't hurt. BTW, two days for the pain to kick in,
not one.

it's far better today. only the cuts on my legs really ache. it's weird they are
not deep and hardly bleed but they sure hurt. I think they were bruised too.
this could have happened in a car too since she slipped. but it had to happen
on a day that I was trying to get to work to ship a bunch of planes that where
behind (G)

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:17:40 -0400, WoodMangler
calmly ranted:

Never Enough Money did say:

Wonder how cocobolo helmets would go over?

Bounced off the side of a car's panel? It would break your
neck with the weight of the rebound.


Going to start doing some night riding since the days are getting shorter,
and wanted to extend the rear flasher to the left side of my LeMond about
twelve inches. I've read that doing that keeps people from getting too
close as they drive by.
Anyway, I'm doing a bent laminated mount that will clamp to the seat post
and extend a rear flasher twelve inches to the left. May as well give it
an aero profile. I suspect it won't be the last wood project for the bike.
Hmmm... what wood looks best with Ti and Al?

You could always Mexi-Chrome pineywood (AL paint) if you didn't
want to go to the expense of Ebony.

--
SAVE THE PARROTS! Eschew the use of poly!
----------
http://diversify.com Poly-free Website Development

Glad to hear things weren't worse Steve... as in my opening The
Oregonian this morning to read about some plane builder losing his sole
on 82nd Street. Those helmets are life savers. I have no doubt that it
quite likely saved mine - or at least averted some severe head trauma.

I am pretty careful when riding. I always think that no one see's me till proven
otherwise. that works pretty well. and here in Portland I haven to had any real
problems or close calls riding. 15 years ago I did but that was my errors
mostly.


Luckily she was A-OK. A little jostled around but still held securely in
her seat/rollcage. My helmet was cracked in two places and if not for
the outer plastic shell would have been in pieces. My bike was OK.

them train tracks are something that love to grab bikes.
as hard as I hit the helmet only has scratches I was surprised (don't worry it
gets replaced) as a kid I cracked my head open twice playing. I seem to be good
at it.

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Larry Jaques did say:


You could always Mexi-Chrome pineywood (AL paint) if you didn't
want to go to the expense of Ebony.

Metalflake pineywood... Now why didn't I think of that!?!?! Schweeet...

J. Clarke did say:

Or if you're going with "aircraft quality"
then Sitka spruce.

I think you're on to something there...

Try the words "adrenalin shock". Some years back ('86) I hit & killed a good
sized doe riding my '80 Kawasaki KZ1300 full dresser.
Bike was almost stopped when I hit, but @ that point the rear wheel was

yep even when I had a really close call. it was the same situation but a guy
turning left. we both stopped just as we touched. it was sure hard to ride 5
minutes later as I was shaking so hard (G)

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:25:25 GMT, "Leon" wrote:

Glad to hear that you were not hurt too badly Steve. If you have not yet,
it may be a good idea to fill out a police report just in case.

the cop showed up. but I don't think he did anything. the ambulance took the
report.

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Ouch! Steve, I hope you are alright (or at least healing fast). And
that's not just because you're working on two planes for me!

(G)


As a fellow bicyclist, I understand the trails and travails of
bicycling out in that confusion of motorists... Even here, in Boulder,
Colorado which is one of the most bike friendly places in the US, I
have close calls and encounter an occasional rude driver...


it's pretty good here too. I have not had any real close encounters since I
started riding again a year ago. 15 years ago it was worse.
I don't ride on busy streets if I can help it though.


The woman that hit you at least was sorry and tried to make things
right!

yes I was really ****ed at first but she was so nice that did not last.


Wonder how cocobolo helmets would go over?
they would look cool but your neck would regret it (G)



My SWMBO says I should give up that dangerous sport of road biking and
concentrate 100% on woodworking. I still want both so maybe combining
them in someway....wood helmets or wood saddlebags or fairings
or....hmmmm, at least I'd have a niche market.


bikes are pretty safe if you follow road rules. most accidents are from stupid
riders.
but walking is far more dangerous. or being a couch potato will more likely
kill you.

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Glad you're OK Steve. As for the shoulder pain, after having hit head
first, you may very well have a bit of a neck injury. Might be smart to
visit your doc and get him to look at it. At the least, take it very easy
on your neck for a little while.

it's more the outside shoulders. I used my arms I think to try to stop the fall.
they are just the typical sore muscles. but they tend to stiffen up fast. my lag
never did because I walked on it so much afterwards.


Cycling in traffic AND making your living with woodworking tools... Hope
you've got at least one safe activity in your life. I've tasted the
fenders of a couple of trucks myself, as well as my share of asphalt.
As all of us cyclists know, it's the inattentive four wheel
operators that are the real danger out there. We're far more vulnerable
than those wrapped in steel and airbags.


I am pretty safe. cycling is far safer then walking or sitting on the couch. I
have had far more close calls walking then anything else.


For those of you who don't ride, next time you see a motorcycle or bicycle
on the road, take a moment to notice how people in cars get MUCH closer to
them than they would to another car. They should really give two wheelers
more room than normal for safety's sake.

that's usually not a problem here. but I am never way over on the right either.
sometimes some kid gets pretty close though.

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When I encounter a bicycle I assume that the guy is going to fall off in
front of me--the way a lot of folks ride it's not that risky a bet. But
it's frustrating to have to trundle along at bicycle speed because giving
the guy adequate clearance would mean going into oncoming traffic.
Especially when the bicyclist is usually oblivious to the laws in most
states that require slow moving vehicles to move aside at the earliest
opportunity when there is a line of traffic blocked up behind them.


I have seen enough of these. more then good cyclists I think.
three feet is how much there should be. most of the time I ride cars can pass
me and not cross the yellow line. sometimes they have to a bit if there are a
bunch of parked cars and I need door clearance. but even then there is usually
room. the only time I block traffic is if I am going straight but plan on
turning really soon. but if they get delayed more then 10 seconds it would be
rare.


But, I'm going to add another preach--TEACH YOUR KIDS TO RIDE _WITH_ TRAFFIC
not _AGAINST_ it. If somebody's on a bicycle in the wrong lane you don't
always have lot of time to react.

yes this is a big problem. hell that's how I learned to do it till I got wise.
Most of the time I am in more danger of other cyclists and peds then cars. wrong
way cyclists and peds going to cars without looking.

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I'm glad to hear that you're OK and that she admitted guilt and paid.
the bike, more often it pays to get a new one vs. trying to repair
a sprung frame. Look for new replacement bikes, then take both figures
to the lady. She might even spring for an upgrade since you haven't
threatened to sue her. Remember the fluorescent vest, helmet, and your
xenon flasher/lights next time, eh?


well she has not paid yet but she will I think. the bike needs checked out. but
it is a good steel frame so lets keep the fingers crossed. it is a custom
Italian steel frame about 12 years old. but the matching fork is toast.
had a orange jersey on but I admit I had forgotten to turn on the flasher. I am
not used to riding in the middle of the day and I was in a bit of a hurry.
but in this case it would not have mattered.

Did I tell you I finally fixed that shoulder plane of yours? The
second brass strip fell off (mine was an early model before you
found that the epoxy didn't hold metal to wood really well) so I
put a jarrah sole on it. She's sweet again.

that was a failure. epoxy and brass don't work. know what does? goop. that stuff
is great for metal and wood.



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Preach Mode
For those of you who don't ride, next time you see a motorcycle or bicycle
on the road, take a moment to notice how people in cars get MUCH closer to
them than they would to another car. They should really give two wheelers
more room than normal for safety's sake.
I guess people don't feel threatened by the smaller vehicle, and feel safe
themselves. Give us a little more room, please.
/Preach Mode

I've never ridden a motorcycle, but I give 'em lots of room because I
know they can stop in feet where it takes my car yards.


I especially hate the $#@%$#% who will pass me to get between me and
the biker because I leave so much room.

Mike

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I do understand that it is frustrating to be stuck behind someone slow,
especially when they've ignored opportunities to allow faster traffic to
pass safely. Some, unlike you, choose to physically remove the obstacle
from their path - endangering lives to alleviate their frustration.

rude cyclists like rude drivers give everyone a bad rep.

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:40:15 GMT, Steve Knight
wrote:

Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were wet.
.... snip

Steve,

Glad to hear you are OK.

In article , wrote:
Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I could
go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think. But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure
saved me.

Ouch! That hurts, just *reading* about it. Glad you had the helmet on, Steve.
Keep us posted.

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Ouch! That hurts, just *reading* about it. Glad you had the helmet on, Steve.
Keep us posted.

it hurt but not as bad as I thought it would. a little Tylenol and some bengay
and I am ok.
yes I checked it out today and the front was broken and it was almost cracked
in half. I would have been in the ambulance without it.

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yes I checked it out today and the front was broken and it was almost
cracked
in half. I would have been in the ambulance without it.


Not necessarily. Maybe a bag in the back of a pickup truck.

When we rode as kids, helmets were not invented yet for cycling. With the
traffic today, It is dumb to venture out with bare head. Glad yours worked
for you.
Ed

I'm glad to hear you're ok. It's pretty scary getting hit.

I spent a week in the hospital with a punctured lung when an old lady
ran a stop sign and hit me on my bike.

"I feel your pain"

-Mike


Steve Knight wrote in message . ..
Well today was fun. I had forgotten my wallet and had to go get it so I could go
to the post office today. The weather was sprinkling but the roads were wet.
Here I am going about 15 as the road starts to slope up. The bike lane is one
lane out and not against right curb so I was in it. A lady in a SUV pulled out
in front of me. I put on full brakes but I could not stop so I went to the left
to go around her. I think I was close to stopping and she was too I think. But
it she still hit me in the side. Man I did a face plant but my helmet sure saved
me. I saw the road real close but only my chin got a whack my head bounced off
the payment. Well the helmet did. I was thinking why did my face not get hurt?
Then I finally figured it out my helmet hit not my face.

Lots of witnesses and I was in the right. The lady that did it was really nice
and even brought me home. I thought I might need the ambulance that arrived but
once my leg was not numb I could feel it was not broken just bruised up a lot.
So she brought me home gave me 100.00 to get a helmet and will fix the bike.
Sure glad the frame is a good steel frame.
I do admit I forgot to turn on my front flasher. It is a xenon flasher so it
would have been visible. I don?t usually ride that time of day and I was in a
hurry and forgot. But it sounds like she saw me and her food slipped off the
brake pedal. (She admits she was at fault) so it may not have made a difference.


well this was yesterday. I am not as sore as I thought I would be more sore. my
leg was not as sore as I thought it would be. knee feels a bit funny but I could
walk just fine. my shoulders are what hurt. I never hit them (I landed face
down) but I think trying to stop myself stressed them. every time I sit for a
hour or so they kill me when I move (G)
I took my bike into my favorite mechanic. I will get the results Monday. I know
the forts are toast as they were spread apart a fair amount. the front detailer
is toast and maybe the cranks.

Steve Knight wrote:

... it hurt but not as bad as I thought it would.
a little Tylenol and some bengay and I am ok.
I can empathize; I've been hit twice so far. Some drivers just
shouldn't be driving.
yes I checked it out today and the front was broken and it was almost cracked
in half. I would have been in the ambulance without it.
A replacement fork for an Italian racing bike will set you back hundreds
unless you can find a used one. And, you'll be lucky if the wheel isn't
sprung. Make sure they check the frame, especially the downtube, for
signs of buckling, and that the rear derailleur dropout is still true.

Regards,
Gary

On 11 Oct 2004 08:25:18 -0700, (Gary Greenberg) wrote:


A replacement fork for an Italian racing bike will set you back hundreds
unless you can find a used one. And, you'll be lucky if the wheel isn't
sprung. Make sure they check the frame, especially the downtube, for
signs of buckling, and that the rear derailleur dropout is still true.

I think it will be time for the dreaded carbon fork (G) I am having him check
everything to make sure nothing is missed.

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On 11 Oct 2004 06:40:36 -0700, (Mike Reed) wrote:

I'm glad to hear you're ok. It's pretty scary getting hit.

I spent a week in the hospital with a punctured lung when an old lady
ran a stop sign and hit me on my bike.

yes I had one close encounter that was the same but from the left years ago. we
both stopped at the same time.
but I never trust drivers so someone running a red light would not hit me
because I expect them to do it.

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:40:15 GMT, Steve Knight
wrote:

Well today was fun.

Glad you're OK. Helmets are great things. Almost 20 years ago I did a
one point landing from my mountain bike off a jump. Dropped about 8
feet vertically onto my forehead. Destroyed the helmet and shortened
my neck/spine by and inch and a half. Without the helmet there is
little chance I would have survived.

Tim Douglass

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(Mike Reed) writes:
I'm glad to hear you're ok. It's pretty scary getting hit.

I spent a week in the hospital with a punctured lung when an old lady
ran a stop sign and hit me on my bike.

I was once waiting in a line of cars at a light (about 4th in line), and some bozo
didn't stop and hit me from behind. Pushed my bike (a 3-speed schwinn :-)
onto the trunk of the car in front of me, and left me standing with about
12 inches between the two bumpers. Shook for a week. He did buy me a new
Schwinn World Sport (1981 or thereabouts).

scott

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
I was once waiting in a line of cars at a light (about 4th in line), and
some bozo
didn't stop and hit me from behind. Pushed my bike (a 3-speed schwinn :-)
onto the trunk of the car in front of me, and left me standing with about
12 inches between the two bumpers. Shook for a week. He did buy me a
new
Schwinn World Sport (1981 or thereabouts).

scott

It's a visual thing. The guy was probably watching the bumper of the car
and not the small profile of you. In a panic stop, people will drive right
into the car ahead because that is what they are looking at. They should be
looking at a spot behind the car.