On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube.* I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before.* Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.




Here's my type of woodwork show. Engels Coach Shop. This guy is a pro,
and knows how to do stuff.* He builds and restores old wagons, coaches,
wheels and all that.* Not stuff many do, but wow, he does it all, and
does good video's, showing exactly how it's done. Although not something
many would ever do, it is enjoyable for wood workers to watch.* Here are
a few I grabbed at random, but he has a lot of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ5RemOVyaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0xj7OujbwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9UPihp04xY

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/21/2019 8:03 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 2:22 AM, Bill wrote:
Jack wrote:

Yes, that's what I do. I'm gunna try the dial calipers next time
though.Â* Been watching a lot of machinist videos on YouTube:-).

Try Hobby-Machinist.com
I've been thinking about whether I might be able to make some plane
parts. I don't own a lathe or a mill though, so far. But I am keeping my
eyes open for a "deal" while I learn.

That's a web page.Â* I like watching videos on Youtube on my big screen
TV's (Comcast here has a built in YouTube app) I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube.Â* I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.




Everything I'm interested in can be found on youtube, and about NOTHING
I'm interested in can be found on regular TV. Even if regular tv has
something, say woodworking, it sucks, and sucks big time.Â* Thinking of
Lamo Scott Phillips show American Woodshop, the Woodsmith shop and so
on. Lots of bad woodworking stuff on youtube too, but lots of good stuff
as well.

While piling on, Scott Phillips is probably the worst. This guy built,
on TV, what promised to be a great shop, several years ago. It was
immediately a pig sty.

Then there was the Johnson guy that had some kind of a, I cut wood show,
that was determined to convince every one that a Sliding Miter saw was
actually a RAS. Idiot!

I do not mind Woodsmith except that it is tooooooooooooo
freakingggggggggggg slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

And now there is a girl that has a Mansion Restoration Show. Jeez,
where do I start.
Her dad is on the show and makes unnecessary commentary.
She wants to sound like an expert in her field but sadly is just one of
those "dreamer designers".
Several clips show her doing what a remodeled does, work with their hands.

She paints large flat panels,against the grain with a small paint brush.
She removes wall fixtures set screws with a screwdriver made for
tightening screws in a pair of glasses frames.
She uses her Sliding miter saw like A RAS. She might be related to the
Johnson guy mentioned above.
She pulls the blade through the cut instead of pushing it.

Oh! I'll will never forget Brad Staggs Master Workshop! Or what ever
he called his show.
This idiot dedicated a portion of his show to showing how to properly
use a dodo blade on a TS.
Imagine the look on his face while cutting a dado with out removing the
blade guard. He had that look of, hummmmm why is the board not passing
past the blades??? IDIOT!

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

....this got me to thinking

Does anyone actually get "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" (or is it "Classic Woodworking"?) on their local PBS affiliate?
I don't think I've seen anybody comment on the new show.
"The show, which airs on more than 200 stations" according to this:
https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/star-carpenter-tommy-mac-countersued-former-tv-station

A quick Google of "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" resulted w/this:
https://nhpbs.org/schedule/series.aspx?progName=Rough+Cut+with+Fine+Woodworki ng
which links to:
https://www.finewoodworking.com/classic-woodworking

So it appears it is/was on in some areas...

Spalted Walt writes:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:



David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

...this got me to thinking

Does anyone actually get "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" (or is it "Classic Woodworking"?) on their local PBS affiliate?
I don't think I've seen anybody comment on the new show.
"The show, which airs on more than 200 stations" according to this:
https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/star-carpenter-tommy-mac-countersued-former-tv-station

A quick Google of "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" resulted w/this:
https://nhpbs.org/schedule/series.aspx?progName=Rough+Cut+with+Fine+Woodworki ng
which links to:
https://www.finewoodworking.com/classic-woodworking

So it appears it is/was on in some areas...

I like it a lot.

I'm planning on making a set of the craftsman dining chairs (ep. 109) when I retire.

On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:45 -0400, Jack wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:34:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.

On 5/21/2019 10:24 PM, @notreal.com wrote:
+1
I guess there is a reason I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, it's opposite from NetFlix. I never found anything worth watching
on NetFlix either. Both TV and Netflix are complete wastelands, almost
completely void of any worthwhile content.

No one said it was "worthwhile" viewing (whatever that means). It
does pass time, however. Some is even entertaining. Is entertainment
"worthwhile"?

Besides, Leon was not talking about YouTube, he was talking about
regular TV. Leon watches Youtube when on the treadmill.

Did you pass your second grade literacy test yet?

On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube.* I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before.* Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

On 5/22/2019 7:01 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 9:34 AM, Leon wrote:
On 5/21/2019 8:03 AM, Jack wrote:

Everything I'm interested in can be found on youtube, and about
NOTHING I'm interested in can be found on regular TV. Even if regular
tv has something, say woodworking, it sucks, and sucks big time.
Thinking of Lamo Scott Phillips show American Woodshop, the Woodsmith
shop and so on. Lots of bad woodworking stuff on youtube too, but lots
of good stuff as well.

While piling on, Scott Phillips is probably the worst.* This guy built,
on TV, what promised to be a great shop, several years ago.* It was
immediately a pig sty.

Scott Phillips: Soft as a grape. His wife isn't much better.

On 5/22/2019 12:03 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 5/21/2019 8:03 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 2:22 AM, Bill wrote:
Jack wrote:

Yes, that's what I do. I'm gunna try the dial calipers next time
though.Â* Been watching a lot of machinist videos on YouTube:-).

Try Hobby-Machinist.com
I've been thinking about whether I might be able to make some plane
parts. I don't own a lathe or a mill though, so far. But I am keeping my
eyes open for a "deal" while I learn.

That's a web page.Â* I like watching videos on Youtube on my big screen
TV's (Comcast here has a built in YouTube app) I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube.Â* I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.




Everything I'm interested in can be found on youtube, and about NOTHING
I'm interested in can be found on regular TV. Even if regular tv has
something, say woodworking, it sucks, and sucks big time.Â* Thinking of
Lamo Scott Phillips show American Woodshop, the Woodsmith shop and so
on. Lots of bad woodworking stuff on youtube too, but lots of good stuff
as well.

While piling on, Scott Phillips is probably the worst. This guy built,
on TV, what promised to be a great shop, several years ago. It was
immediately a pig sty.

Then there was the Johnson guy that had some kind of a, I cut wood show,
that was determined to convince every one that a Sliding Miter saw was
actually a RAS. Idiot!

I do not mind Woodsmith except that it is tooooooooooooo
freakingggggggggggg slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

And now there is a girl that has a Mansion Restoration Show. Jeez,
where do I start.
Her dad is on the show and makes unnecessary commentary.
She wants to sound like an expert in her field but sadly is just one of
those "dreamer designers".
Several clips show her doing what a remodeled does, work with their hands.

She paints large flat panels,against the grain with a small paint brush.
She removes wall fixtures set screws with a screwdriver made for
tightening screws in a pair of glasses frames.
She uses her Sliding miter saw like A RAS. She might be related to the
Johnson guy mentioned above.
She pulls the blade through the cut instead of pushing it.

Oh! I'll will never forget Brad Staggs Master Workshop! Or what ever
he called his show.
This idiot dedicated a portion of his show to showing how to properly
use a dodo blade on a TS.
Imagine the look on his face while cutting a dado with out removing the
blade guard. He had that look of, hummmmm why is the board not passing
past the blades??? IDIOT!

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

...this got me to thinking

Does anyone actually get "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" (or is it "Classic Woodworking"?) on their local PBS affiliate?
I don't think I've seen anybody comment on the new show.
"The show, which airs on more than 200 stations" according to this:
https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/news/woodworking-industry-news/star-carpenter-tommy-mac-countersued-former-tv-station

A quick Google of "Rough Cut with Fine Woodworking" resulted w/this:
https://nhpbs.org/schedule/series.aspx?progName=Rough+Cut+with+Fine+Woodworki ng
which links to:
https://www.finewoodworking.com/classic-woodworking

So it appears it is/was on in some areas...


It's now showing on Lakeshore Public Television (I think it is) down in
Indiana just outside Chicago. As a result I get it on DishTV.
Strangest thing though. They started with it as soon as it came out but
I could never watch it as they had a problem or a required upgrade to
their transmission tower and though they apparently had the money to do
it, they fell asleep at the switch and wound up at the tail end of a
long line of customers for ALL of the antenna service companies
permitted by the FCC to do the work. They came back on line a month or
so ago and I've seen several episodes of the show and have a few more
recorded. Pretty decent show IMO. He's no Tommy Mac, but that ain't
necessarily a bad thing.

Jack wrote:

I also have Roku but quit watching it when Comcast came out with
the YouTube app, and AT&T bought Ustream and Roku stopped
streaming Ustream, which I used to watch live pool* matches.
YouTube now has a zillion pool videos, and sometimes streams them
live.

I watched some snooker matches (I think the season is coming to
an end). Most matches with Ronny O'Sullivan (sp?) are good. I
also can appreciate a good one-pocket match. I find watching
either of those games to be relaxing. People have become so
good at 8-ball and 9-ball that I don't find it that entertaining
to watch. OTOH, when I was playing a bit, I liked to play 9
ball. I don't think I've ever caught a match "live" on YouTube,
but usually, the videos come out on YouTube within a couple of hours.

I just looked up "X1 TV box". It reminds me of my Roku device.
Any advantages to it? Looks like I can get one for $30 on
Amazon. To humor you, I should mention that our dog has "eaten" 3
Roku remote controls (see if your dog likes them!) ; ) We now
try to remember to pick up the remote controls up every time we
leave the room.

On 5/22/2019 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
On 5/22/2019 8:48 AM, Sonny wrote:
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 7:01:32 AM UTC-5, Jack wrote:

YouTube however has a
ton of bad stuff, and a lot of it is guys making lousy videos of
horrible techniques. Some of them even mention they never did this
before! Why in the hell are they making a video, that they don't know
how to make or edit, of something they have no clue about, and then
putting it on YouTube.


After all the other cons mentioned, of the different TV shows, plus
the bad YouTube folks, they probably don't have/use the best
woodworkers tape measure.

Sonny



ROTFLMAO... Yeah, we wen of on a tangent,,,,,,again.

On Usenet, one thing leads to another,,,,always.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/22/2019 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube. I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before. Very nice cutting board.
Not my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering
tools. (Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

Here's my type of woodwork show. Engels Coach Shop. This guy is a pro,
and knows how to do stuff. He builds and restores old wagons,
coaches, wheels and all that. Not stuff many do, but wow, he does it
all, and does good video's, showing exactly how it's done. Although
not something many would ever do, it is enjoyable for wood workers to
watch. Here are a few I grabbed at random, but he has a lot of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ5RemOVyaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0xj7OujbwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9UPihp04xY










--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/23/2019 1:09 AM, Bill wrote:

I watched some snooker matches (I think the season is coming to an end).
Most matches with Ronny O'Sullivan (sp?) are good. I also can appreciate
a good one-pocket match. I find watching either of those games to be
relaxing. People have become so good at 8-ball and 9-ball that I don't
find it that entertaining to watch. OTOH, when I was playing a bit, I
liked to play 9 ball. I don't think I've ever caught a match "live" on
YouTube, but usually, the videos come out on YouTube within a couple of
hours.

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match between Tony
Chohan and Dennis Orcolo. It was streamed by POV pool and is in 3
parts. Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of the best one pocket
players on earth, Tony probably number one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckIkWGz3RAQ

Normally I consider one pocket one impossible bank, squeezed between 20
safety's. This match is a glaring exception. Tony makes a ton of
incredible shots, unmatched in one pocket history. POV pool compiled a
video of them and you can see them he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94TFGdJEMy0

These are not trick shots either, he's playing for 50k. Chohan is a one
pocket monster.

I just looked up "X1 TV box". It reminds me of my Roku device. Any
advantages to it? Looks like I can get one for $30 on Amazon. To humor
you, I should mention that our dog has "eaten" 3 Roku remote controls
(see if your dog likes them!) ; ) We now try to remember to pick up the
remote controls up every time we leave the room.

That's what I have, it's a Comcast/Xfinity cable box/recorder. Nothing
at all like Roku. It is awesome though. You can record on mutiple boxes
with it, has voice so I can just speak commands to it, like "POV pool on
youtube" and it will pop it up, or "forward 3 minutes, 30 seconds" and
skip right past commercials, and so on.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/22/2019 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:45 -0400, Jack wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:34:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.

On 5/21/2019 10:24 PM, @notreal.com wrote:
+1
I guess there is a reason I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, it's opposite from NetFlix. I never found anything worth watching
on NetFlix either. Both TV and Netflix are complete wastelands, almost
completely void of any worthwhile content.

No one said it was "worthwhile" viewing (whatever that means). It
does pass time, however. Some is even entertaining. Is entertainment
"worthwhile"?

Sometimes, like some might be entertained by the morons on The View, or
reading your drivel perhaps...

Besides, Leon was not talking about YouTube, he was talking about
regular TV. Leon watches Youtube when on the treadmill.

Did you pass your second grade literacy test yet?

Don't recall, perhaps you should explain what you meant by "I guess
there is a reason I don't watch Youtube" immediately following Leons
statement that he watches Youtube when on the treadmill?

Go ahead, explain what you meant, I'll try to read it at a first grade
level, which should be more than enough.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

Bill

On 5/22/2019 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube. I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before. Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

Jack doesn't need any festering tools to get his work done, particularly
now with his dramatic decrease in work flow. Might buy the festering
Domino if in an active shop, even though it's super over priced. More
likely would spend the money on a nice drum sander. The $600 vacuum
though would be an embarrassment to own if everyone knew what it costs.

If Jack was going to waste money on any tools it would likely be on a TS
with a sliding table, I think that would be nice. Also would like a
larger jointer with segmented, spiral cutter head. Too old to justify
any of that stuff however. Fortunately, Jack has about every tool he
needs to build cabinets, tables, chairs, clocks, lamps, bird feeders,
and whirligigs. Been there, done all that, and no longer in the mood.

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop. Jealous? Not hardly.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

Bill writes:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

I've had Tivo now for eighteen years, which provides the same
capability for "TV".

On 5/22/2019 10:08 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 5/22/2019 7:01 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 9:34 AM, Leon wrote:
On 5/21/2019 8:03 AM, Jack wrote:

Everything I'm interested in can be found on youtube, and about
NOTHING I'm interested in can be found on regular TV. Even if regular
tv has something, say woodworking, it sucks, and sucks big time.
Thinking of Lamo Scott Phillips show American Woodshop, the Woodsmith
shop and so on. Lots of bad woodworking stuff on youtube too, but lots
of good stuff as well.

While piling on, Scott Phillips is probably the worst.* This guy built,
on TV, what promised to be a great shop, several years ago.* It was
immediately a pig sty.

Scott Phillips:* Soft as a grape.* His wife isn't much better.


Did you get to touch both of them?? ;~)

On 5/23/2019 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/22/2019 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch
is on
Youtube.* I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as
well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now,
however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before.* Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering
tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL.* I am familiar with this guy too.* I never noticed
the Festool till now though.* I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

Jack doesn't need any festering tools to get his work done, particularly
now with his dramatic decrease in work flow.* Might buy the festering
Domino if in an active shop, even though it's super over priced. More
likely would spend the money on a nice drum sander.* The $600 vacuum
though would be an embarrassment to own if everyone knew what it costs.

FWIW Festool offers, if you sign up for the e-mail's offers, refurbished
tools. I probably get an average of 5 offers per day. The small
Domino, like I have, typically goes for $700. Less than what I paid new
10+ years ago. Just saying.



If Jack was going to waste money on any tools it would likely be on a TS
with a sliding table, I think that would be nice.* Also would like a
larger jointer with segmented, spiral cutter head.* Too old to justify
any of that stuff however. Fortunately, Jack has about every tool he
needs to build cabinets, tables, chairs, clocks, lamps, bird feeders,
and whirligigs. Been there, done all that, and no longer in the mood.

I have looked closely at sliding tables form my saw, SawStop even offers
one but like most they tend to make the saw less mobile. I move my TS
several times a day. soooooo the Dubby jigs get me through when I need
that type set up.

For me having a jointer, I did have one for years that I tied the dog
leash to, is probably like you buying a Domino. A cool tool but I
seldom buy rough cut lumber anymore, for that matter I seldom buy
anything but S4S. My time is more valuable than the small amount of
savings buying wood that has to be sized. Plus, I extensively use an
optimizing program that lets me tell what and how much material to buy.
That program imports from Skecthup so it is pretty darn accurate.




Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

I have got to get into building smaller stuff.


Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop.* Jealous? Not hardly.

I do the same but think, this stuff, that began as a hobby, has paid for
itself many times over. If only my wife's stuff had only cost what I
have spent. 12 months ago she added a $12K sewing machine to her
collection.

On 5/23/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match between
Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV pool and is in
3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of the best one pocket
players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later.* One thing I like about watching
videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over multiple
sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

Bill

The beauty to watching video's over and over is that you can catch parts
you missed when you doze off. ;~)

On 5/23/2019 9:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.Â* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.Â* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

I've had Tivo now for eighteen years, which provides the same
capability for "TV".


We have a DVR too since 2003. Way back when before HD, DirecTV Tivo,
when it was only standard Def. Now DirecTV DVR non Tivo But it does
have its limits.

Oddly I still pay DirecTV about the same now as I did 16 years ago.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 08:47:11 -0400, Jack wrote:

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

He does it for the thinner kerf. A considerable saving of expensive wood
over time.
--
Jerry O.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:20:18 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:45 -0400, Jack wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:34:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.

On 5/21/2019 10:24 PM, @notreal.com wrote:
+1
I guess there is a reason I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, it's opposite from NetFlix. I never found anything worth watching
on NetFlix either. Both TV and Netflix are complete wastelands, almost
completely void of any worthwhile content.

No one said it was "worthwhile" viewing (whatever that means). It
does pass time, however. Some is even entertaining. Is entertainment
"worthwhile"?

Sometimes, like some might be entertained by the morons on The View, or
reading your drivel perhaps...

You obviously know all about both. Only lefties worry about what
others do.

Besides, Leon was not talking about YouTube, he was talking about
regular TV. Leon watches Youtube when on the treadmill.

Did you pass your second grade literacy test yet?

Don't recall, perhaps you should explain what you meant by "I guess
there is a reason I don't watch Youtube" immediately following Leons
statement that he watches Youtube when on the treadmill?

Because he was explaining the moronic stuff that you like watch,
though he didn't say anything about The View. You clarified that,
though.

Go ahead, explain what you meant, I'll try to read it at a first grade
level, which should be more than enough.

Too complicated for you, obviously, so I did have to explain.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:56:40 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube. I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before. Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

Jack doesn't need any festering tools to get his work done, particularly
now with his dramatic decrease in work flow. Might buy the festering
Domino if in an active shop, even though it's super over priced. More
likely would spend the money on a nice drum sander. The $600 vacuum
though would be an embarrassment to own if everyone knew what it costs.

If Jack was going to waste money on any tools it would likely be on a TS
with a sliding table, I think that would be nice. Also would like a
larger jointer with segmented, spiral cutter head. Too old to justify
any of that stuff however. Fortunately, Jack has about every tool he
needs to build cabinets, tables, chairs, clocks, lamps, bird feeders,
and whirligigs. Been there, done all that, and no longer in the mood.

"Waste" money. You're clearly clueless (but I'm not telling anyone
anything new).

BTW, I don't "justify" hobbies. It's silly.

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

Maybe you can handle one?

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop. Jealous? Not hardly.

You protest too much. Loser.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 10:58:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2019 9:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

I've had Tivo now for eighteen years, which provides the same
capability for "TV".


We have a DVR too since 2003. Way back when before HD, DirecTV Tivo,
when it was only standard Def. Now DirecTV DVR non Tivo But it does
have its limits.

We dumped DirectTV (and DISH before that) as soon as possible. I
hated both. We have AT&T, now. Still sucks but worlds ahead of
either satellite service. At least we get reasonably good Internet
service now, with it.

Oddly I still pay DirecTV about the same now as I did 16 years ago.

AT&T is more expensive but at least it doesn't fade out every time a
cloud goes by. I'd cut the cord and go all Internet TV but SWMBO has
other ideas.

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

I have got to get into building smaller stuff.

Making small stuff goes fast, hence allows you your deserved retired time hanging out on the patio, fishing, tend a small veggie garden, etc.

I have one large project going, contemplating only one more.

Or, as I, you can collect more tools. That's a nice hobby, LOL, but not profitable.

Sonny

On 5/23/2019 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:

I have looked closely at sliding tables form my saw, SawStop even offers
one but like most they tend to make the saw less mobile. I move my TS
several times a day. soooooo the Dubby jigs get me through when I need
that type set up.

My TS is on a cabinet I built. It includes my jointer which is next to
the TS. The jointer fence is exactly the hight of the saw table, so acts
as a convenient extention to the saw. The jointer and motor probably
add 150-200 lbs to the saw cabinet. I have the whole thing on wheels, 2
heavy duty ones on one end and a caster you step on to lift the other
end. It all moves very easily, although I seldom need too, only if
ripping something over 10' maybe 12' and then it's only to put it on a
slight angle.

For me having a jointer, I did have one for years that I tied the dog
leash to, is probably like you buying a Domino. A cool tool but I
seldom buy rough cut lumber anymore, for that matter I seldom buy
anything but S4S. My time is more valuable than the small amount of
savings buying wood that has to be sized. Plus, I extensively use an
optimizing program that lets me tell what and how much material to buy.
That program imports from Skecthup so it is pretty darn accurate.

I use mine quite a lot actually, more for getting square edges than
anything, but it is required to get a good face on rough lumber for
planing. For sizing wood I of course use my planer. That's a tool I
waited WAY too long to buy. Dimensional lumber is not the right size for
stuff. For example, drawer sides should be 1/2" or 5/8" with few
exceptions. Table tops generally 1" to 5/4" and plenty of other examples
where store bought lumber is not the right size. It also makes your
lumber perfectly equal in thickness, making cutting tongues and glue ups
more accurate.

To all new-bee woodworkers. I highly recommend getting a good planer,
absolutely with a segmented spiral cutter head, as soon as possible.
Same with a jointer.

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

I have got to get into building smaller stuff.

You won't need to tell yourself to do that, your body/mind will let you
know.

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop. Jealous? Not hardly.

I do the same but think, this stuff, that began as a hobby, has paid for
itself many times over. If only my wife's stuff had only cost what I
have spent. 12 months ago she added a $12K sewing machine to her
collection.

Nothing wrong with that, if it keeps her entertained and productive.
Much better than spending 12k on a trip to Hawaii or something. The year
before I got married I bought my wife-to-be a sewing machine for
Christmas, I think she was expecting a ring... I have never been able to
get her to sew anything. She still has it too, almost no use on it.
I like tools, figured she would too... Not so much!
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/23/2019 11:52 AM, Leon wrote:

The beauty to watching video's over and over is that you can catch parts
you missed when you doze off. ;~)

I record How the Universe Works, and Spaces Deepest Secrets. The shows
are pretty much garbage and boring, but they put me to sleep within 5
minutes. First, the videos are mostly fake, so you don't need to watch
them (videos of the big bang 14 million years ago, black holes which you
can't see, even IF they exist, and so on) This means you can just close
your eyes, and be put to sleep. I wake up in the middle of the night,
fast forward from the beginning 5 minutes (where I last fell asleep) and
wham, in minutes I'm back in dream land, and no drugs needed. One show
lasts at least a week before I delete it for a new one:-)
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/23/2019 2:59 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 08:47:11 -0400, Jack wrote:

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

He does it for the thinner kerf. A considerable saving of expensive wood
over time.

I thought about that, and really, if you think about it, you get a rough
cut off a BS that requires planing/sanding. Much better option is a
thin kerf blade on the table saw, that doesn't require any
sanding/planing for glue up. Much easier and any extra wood waste, if
any, is very marginal, and made up with time savings and accuracy.

And, it gives you an excuse to use that fancy sliding table:-)

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/23/2019 8:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:20:18 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:45 -0400, Jack wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:34:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.

On 5/21/2019 10:24 PM, @notreal.com wrote:
+1
I guess there is a reason I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, it's opposite from NetFlix. I never found anything worth watching
on NetFlix either. Both TV and Netflix are complete wastelands, almost
completely void of any worthwhile content.

No one said it was "worthwhile" viewing (whatever that means). It
does pass time, however. Some is even entertaining. Is entertainment
"worthwhile"?

Sometimes, like some might be entertained by the morons on The View, or
reading your drivel perhaps...

You obviously know all about both. Only lefties worry about what
others do.

If you think I'm "a leftie" you're a bigger moron than I thought. I
don't worry about what others do either. Do whatever you want. TV and
Netflix float your boat, good for you, I think your a moron, that's all.

Besides, Leon was not talking about YouTube, he was talking about
regular TV. Leon watches Youtube when on the treadmill.

Whelp, his statement is up there yet, but I'll copy it just for you:

"I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery."

My first grade interpretation of that statement is Leon was talking
about YouTube, and that it helps him get through the drudgery of the
treadmill.

Your immediate reply was "that's why I don't watch Youtube"

Makes no sense to me.

Did you pass your second grade literacy test yet?

Don't recall, perhaps you should explain what you meant by "I guess
there is a reason I don't watch Youtube" immediately following Leons
statement that he watches Youtube when on the treadmill?

Because he was explaining the moronic stuff that you like watch,
though he didn't say anything about The View. You clarified that,
though.

I missed that, what stuff I like to watch did Leon say was "moronic" He
didn't comment at all on the stuff I like to watch, other than agreed
that Scott Philips and some other shows were not so good?

Go ahead, explain what you meant, I'll try to read it at a first grade
level, which should be more than enough.

Too complicated for you, obviously, so I did have to explain.

Thanks for your time, but your explanation makes no sense, IE, moronic.

--
Jack
My people skills are just fine.
It’s my tolerance to idiots that needs work.

On 5/23/2019 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:56:40 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube. I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before. Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

Jack doesn't need any festering tools to get his work done, particularly
now with his dramatic decrease in work flow. Might buy the festering
Domino if in an active shop, even though it's super over priced. More
likely would spend the money on a nice drum sander. The $600 vacuum
though would be an embarrassment to own if everyone knew what it costs.

If Jack was going to waste money on any tools it would likely be on a TS
with a sliding table, I think that would be nice. Also would like a
larger jointer with segmented, spiral cutter head. Too old to justify
any of that stuff however. Fortunately, Jack has about every tool he
needs to build cabinets, tables, chairs, clocks, lamps, bird feeders,
and whirligigs. Been there, done all that, and no longer in the mood.

"Waste" money. You're clearly clueless (but I'm not telling anyone
anything new).

BTW, I don't "justify" hobbies. It's silly.

To a moron, perhaps.

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

Maybe you can handle one?

Two, I made two, and they work perfectly. I doubt you could handle one,
they take a modicum of skill, something not too many morons can muster.

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop. Jealous? Not hardly.

You protest too much. Loser.

I'm sorry, you're right, I'm jealous with festering tool envy... You are
dumber than a rock.

--
Jack
I'm not as dumb as you look.

Jack writes:
On 5/23/2019 2:59 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 08:47:11 -0400, Jack wrote:

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

He does it for the thinner kerf. A considerable saving of expensive wood
over time.

I thought about that, and really, if you think about it, you get a rough
cut off a BS that requires planing/sanding.

That depends entirely on the quality of the bandsaw and the bandsaw blade.

On 5/24/2019 6:58 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/23/2019 11:50 AM, Leon wrote:

I have looked closely at sliding tables form my saw, SawStop even offers
one but like most they tend to make the saw less mobile.* I move my TS
several times a day.* soooooo the Dubby jigs get me through when I need
that type set up.

My TS is on a cabinet I built.* It includes my jointer which is next to
the TS. The jointer fence is exactly the hight of the saw table, so acts
as a convenient extention to the saw.* The jointer and motor probably
add 150-200 lbs to the saw cabinet.* I have the whole thing on wheels, 2
heavy duty ones on one end and a caster you step on to lift the other
end.* It all moves very easily, although I seldom need too, only if
ripping something over 10' maybe 12' and then it's only to put it on a
slight angle.

Way back when, prior to 1999, I had a 1hp Craftsman TS with added
plastic laminate extensions, a Jet E-xacta fence, a fold down out feed
table and a roll around base with drawers and a dust collection spot in
the middle. And then I stopped messing around and up graded to a Jet
cabinet saw, later the SawStop.



For me having a jointer, I did have one for years that I tied the dog
leash to, is probably like you buying a Domino.* A cool tool but I
seldom buy rough cut lumber anymore, for that matter I seldom buy
anything but S4S.* My time is more valuable than the small amount of
savings buying wood that has to be sized.* Plus, I extensively use an
optimizing program that lets me tell what and how much material to buy.
That program imports from Skecthup so it is pretty darn accurate.

I use mine quite a lot actually, more for getting square edges than
anything, but it is required to get a good face on rough lumber for
planing.* For sizing wood I of course use my planer. That's a tool I
waited WAY too long to buy. Dimensional lumber is not the right size for
stuff.* For example, drawer sides should be 1/2" or 5/8" with few
exceptions. Table tops generally 1" to 5/4" and plenty of other examples
where store bought lumber is not the right size. It also makes your
lumber perfectly equal in thickness, making cutting tongues and glue ups
more accurate.

for the average job where the customer wants to save some money I use
1/2" Baltic birch for drawers and reinforce the joints with exposed
Domino's. On a job with Swingman about 9 years ago I/we built probably
50+ drawers for a kitchen and double bathroom re-do. The drawers were
made out of 3/4" Maple with DT joints for the kitchen and the exposed
Domino tenons for the bathroom drawers. I think I build about 100
drawers that year.

FWIW I have access to S4S lumber in 4/4, 5/4, 6/4 and so on.


To all new-bee woodworkers. I highly recommend getting a good planer,
absolutely with a segmented spiral cutter head,* as soon as possible.
Same with a jointer.

Agreed. But as I went more pro I seldom used the jointer and my 15"
planer sees little action. Again the availability of the s4s lumber and
the small price difference makes a difference when bidding a job.



Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

I have got to get into building smaller stuff.

You won't need to tell yourself to do that, your body/mind will let you
know.

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop.* Jealous? Not hardly.

I do the same but think, this stuff, that began as a hobby, has paid for
itself many times over.* If only my wife's stuff had only cost what I
have spent.* 12 months ago she added a $12K sewing machine to her
collection.

Nothing wrong with that, if it keeps her entertained and productive.
Much better than spending 12k on a trip to Hawaii or something. The year
before I got married I bought my wife-to-be a sewing machine for
Christmas, I think she was expecting a ring... I have never been able to
get her to sew anything. She still has it too, almost no use on it.
I like tools, figured she would too...* Not so much!

My wife eats, breathes, and the rest you know, QUILTING. She has
several regular customers that pay her to do the actual quilting for the
quilt tops that they sew together. She stays very busy with this but
unfortunately that does not pay like the furniture business end does.
Our entire upstairs of our story and a half home is dedicated to her
studio. Like me her hobby has evolved to paying jobs.
Totally agree on spending the money on something that you will use for
years vs. a trip that is a brief moment in time.

On 5/23/2019 1:59 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 08:47:11 -0400, Jack wrote:

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

He does it for the thinner kerf. A considerable saving of expensive wood
over time.



Yeah, I do not subscribe to the think kerf saving wood idea.
99.999999999999999% of the time there is waste at the end of the board
that gets tossed in the scrap pile or thrown away. And no one plans on
using every bit of the board less the kerf.

IMHO the only advantage to think kerf cuts is less required power.
There are more disadvantages than advantages.

On 5/23/2019 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 10:58:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2019 9:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.Â* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.Â* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

I've had Tivo now for eighteen years, which provides the same
capability for "TV".


We have a DVR too since 2003. Way back when before HD, DirecTV Tivo,
when it was only standard Def. Now DirecTV DVR non Tivo But it does
have its limits.

We dumped DirectTV (and DISH before that) as soon as possible. I
hated both. We have AT&T, now. Still sucks but worlds ahead of
either satellite service. At least we get reasonably good Internet
service now, with it.

when we moved into our new home about 9 years ago we structured wiring
for media and internet. The neighborhood had Uverse. We switched at
that point to ATT Uverse. That lasted about 2 years. After about the
5th outage, that often lasted all week, we and several of our close
neighbors dropped Uverse and we went back to DirecTV. With Uverse,
Internet, TV, and Telephone, when Uverse goes down, EVERYGHING goes
down. You cannot even watch prerecorded TV as everything you record is
actually on the cloud. That was the last straw.


There has never ever been an issue with DirecTV.
We did however keep Uverse internet and it has been pretty reliable and
fast.

Our next step is to go with something like Tablo and internet only.




Oddly I still pay DirecTV about the same now as I did 16 years ago.

AT&T is more expensive but at least it doesn't fade out every time a
cloud goes by. I'd cut the cord and go all Internet TV but SWMBO has
other ideas.


Must be a location thing, we get temporary outages but only during heavy
rain. I can live with that.

On 5/24/2019 7:11 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/23/2019 11:52 AM, Leon wrote:

The beauty to watching video's over and over is that you can catch parts
you missed when you doze off.* ;~)

I record How the Universe Works, and Spaces Deepest Secrets. The shows
are pretty much garbage and boring, but they put me to sleep within 5
minutes. First, the videos are mostly fake, so you don't need to watch
them (videos of the big bang 14 million years ago, black holes which you
can't see, even IF they exist, and so on) This means you can just close
your eyes, and be put to sleep.* I wake up in the middle of the night,
fast forward from the beginning 5 minutes (where I last fell asleep) and
wham, in minutes I'm back in dream land, and no drugs needed. One show
lasts at least a week before I delete it for a new one:-)

You know there is a growing number of people, soon to be a majority of
people, that believe that the big bang was actually filmed as it
happened. A lot of these people are government leaders and those that
they have promised to take care of, to get their votes.

I was reading NextDoor, a local neighborhood information source. A
woman took several pictures of "earth worms" and asked the neighbors if
these were snakes. This is where we are headed.

Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.


I got through the "first day". It's race to 40, not 30--ha. I'm
going to have to "pace" myself! ; ) Chohan is pretty
intimidating, for a pool player, a big guy.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 08:19:00 -0400, Jack wrote:

I thought about that, and really, if you think about it, you get a rough
cut off a BS that requires planing/sanding. Much better option is a
thin kerf blade on the table saw, that doesn't require any
sanding/planing for glue up. Much easier and any extra wood waste, if
any, is very marginal, and made up with time savings and accuracy.

He has thought about it and decided that it is cost effective.

He ran a production shop and started out with regular "hobbyist" tools and
did quality work. As his sales increased - I have ordered one of his boards
- he put the money back into better, and larger tools. And, if Festool
makes a tool he needs - he has it and considers it a good investment.

He has now expanded into a small factory and has a retail store in Moscow.
He seems to know his business, and what he is doing since he is making money
and expanding.

Moreover, Scott is right. With the right bandsaw and the right blade -
assuming that the saw is tuned-up properly - one would be hard pressed to
tell the difference in cuts.

I doubt that Festool stays in business supplying a Status/Prestige market.
They stay in business because they supply a high quality tool that performs
its intended task exceptionally well - and for a long time.

YMMV, and obviously does.
--
Jerry O.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 08:38:08 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2019 8:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:20:18 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:23:45 -0400, Jack wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:34:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

And they put this stuff on TV!

David Marks was pretty good, and naturally it is gone today.

I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery.

On 5/21/2019 10:24 PM, @notreal.com wrote:
+1
I guess there is a reason I don't watch Youtube.

Yeah, it's opposite from NetFlix. I never found anything worth watching
on NetFlix either. Both TV and Netflix are complete wastelands, almost
completely void of any worthwhile content.

No one said it was "worthwhile" viewing (whatever that means). It
does pass time, however. Some is even entertaining. Is entertainment
"worthwhile"?

Sometimes, like some might be entertained by the morons on The View, or
reading your drivel perhaps...

You obviously know all about both. Only lefties worry about what
others do.

If you think I'm "a leftie" you're a bigger moron than I thought. I
don't worry about what others do either. Do whatever you want. TV and
Netflix float your boat, good for you, I think your a moron, that's all.

You certainly act like a snowflake.

Besides, Leon was not talking about YouTube, he was talking about
regular TV. Leon watches Youtube when on the treadmill.

Whelp, his statement is up there yet, but I'll copy it just for you:

"I put a couple of miles on the tread mill almost every day, You Tube on
a 32" TV "right in front" of the tread mill gets me through the drudgery."

Idiot.

My first grade interpretation of that statement is Leon was talking
about YouTube, and that it helps him get through the drudgery of the
treadmill.

Yep, illiterate.

Your immediate reply was "that's why I don't watch Youtube"

Illiterate idiot.

Makes no sense to me.

Of course it doesn't. You're stupid.

Did you pass your second grade literacy test yet?

Don't recall, perhaps you should explain what you meant by "I guess
there is a reason I don't watch Youtube" immediately following Leons
statement that he watches Youtube when on the treadmill?

Because he was explaining the moronic stuff that you like watch,
though he didn't say anything about The View. You clarified that,
though.

I missed that, what stuff I like to watch did Leon say was "moronic" He
didn't comment at all on the stuff I like to watch, other than agreed
that Scott Philips and some other shows were not so good?

Of course you missed it. You're too stupid to actually read for
comprehension.

Go ahead, explain what you meant, I'll try to read it at a first grade
level, which should be more than enough.

Too complicated for you, obviously, so I did have to explain.

Thanks for your time, but your explanation makes no sense, IE, moronic.

Yes, you are indeed.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 08:50:46 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2019 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 09:56:40 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/22/2019 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:58:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/22/2019 9:06 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/21/2019 1:58 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 09:03:58 -0400, Jack wrote:

I about completely
stopped watching anything on regular TV, and 99% of what I watch is on
Youtube. I like ABOM79 and David Richards Old Steam Powered Machine
Shop, but watch and subscribe to a few others machinist shows as well.

Check out mtmwood on Youtube. He doesn't do many videos now, however, he
went from a garage operation to a production plant doing end grain
cutting
boards. I especially like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd-jxTmq4g

Yes, I believe I watched that one before. Very nice cutting board. Not
my style of shop though, too clean, too, neat, too many Festering tools.
(Through that in for Leon:-))

Thank you Jack. LOL. I am familiar with this guy too. I never noticed
the Festool till now though. I was more impressed with his large
stationary equipment.

Jack is just jealous - Festool envy.

Jack doesn't need any festering tools to get his work done, particularly
now with his dramatic decrease in work flow. Might buy the festering
Domino if in an active shop, even though it's super over priced. More
likely would spend the money on a nice drum sander. The $600 vacuum
though would be an embarrassment to own if everyone knew what it costs.

If Jack was going to waste money on any tools it would likely be on a TS
with a sliding table, I think that would be nice. Also would like a
larger jointer with segmented, spiral cutter head. Too old to justify
any of that stuff however. Fortunately, Jack has about every tool he
needs to build cabinets, tables, chairs, clocks, lamps, bird feeders,
and whirligigs. Been there, done all that, and no longer in the mood.

"Waste" money. You're clearly clueless (but I'm not telling anyone
anything new).

BTW, I don't "justify" hobbies. It's silly.

To a moron, perhaps.

I certainly don't justify anything to you. You wouldn't understand it
if I did. Too stupid.

Whirligigs are fun though if you are old and done with large projects.

Maybe you can handle one?

Two, I made two, and they work perfectly. I doubt you could handle one,
they take a modicum of skill, something not too many morons can muster.

Wow! I'm impressed! yawn

Sometimes I just go in my shop, sit there with a coffee and think, man
this might be the worlds greatest shop. Jealous? Not hardly.

You protest too much. Loser.

I'm sorry, you're right, I'm jealous with festering tool envy... You are
dumber than a rock.

Idiot.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 11:05:30 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2019 1:59 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 08:47:11 -0400, Jack wrote:

What I noticed was he has a nice TS with a sliding table, yet used his
bandsaw to cut up his blocks for the cutting board. Seemed wrong to me.

He does it for the thinner kerf. A considerable saving of expensive wood
over time.



Yeah, I do not subscribe to the think kerf saving wood idea.
99.999999999999999% of the time there is waste at the end of the board
that gets tossed in the scrap pile or thrown away. And no one plans on
using every bit of the board less the kerf.

The kerf of a bandsaw blade vs. a table saw blade is significant if
you're cutting blocks for a vertical cutting board, particularly if
it's done with squares.

IMHO the only advantage to think kerf cuts is less required power.
There are more disadvantages than advantages.

Think kerf vs. regular TS blade, sure but the issue is the kerf of a
bandsaw. Of course power doesn't matter if you have it (no reason to
use a thin kerf blade on a decent cabinet saw).

On Fri, 24 May 2019 11:16:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2019 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2019 10:58:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2019 9:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Bill writes:
Jack wrote:

If you are into one pocket, the best ever is a recent match
between Tony Chohan and Dennis Orcolo.* It was streamed by POV
pool and is in 3 parts.* Race to 30 for $50k. These are two of
the best one pocket players on earth, Tony probably number one.

Thanks, I wrote it down for later. One thing I like about
watching videos on YouTube it that I can watch a long video over
multiple sittings, i.e. when I'm eating. Way better than TV.

I've had Tivo now for eighteen years, which provides the same
capability for "TV".


We have a DVR too since 2003. Way back when before HD, DirecTV Tivo,
when it was only standard Def. Now DirecTV DVR non Tivo But it does
have its limits.

We dumped DirectTV (and DISH before that) as soon as possible. I
hated both. We have AT&T, now. Still sucks but worlds ahead of
either satellite service. At least we get reasonably good Internet
service now, with it.

when we moved into our new home about 9 years ago we structured wiring
for media and internet. The neighborhood had Uverse. We switched at
that point to ATT Uverse. That lasted about 2 years. After about the
5th outage, that often lasted all week, we and several of our close
neighbors dropped Uverse and we went back to DirecTV. With Uverse,
Internet, TV, and Telephone, when Uverse goes down, EVERYGHING goes
down. You cannot even watch prerecorded TV as everything you record is
actually on the cloud. That was the last straw.

We had all those problems with both Dish and DirectTV, too. The
Internet service we could get at the time wouldn't support streaming
on a good day. Uverse certainly hasn't been without issues (the whole
system has been replaced, piece-meal, several times) but worlds ahead
of both satellite services. ...and no dropouts.

There has never ever been an issue with DirecTV.
We did however keep Uverse internet and it has been pretty reliable and
fast.

Our next step is to go with something like Tablo and internet only.

I would but, as I said, SWMBO would never go for it.


Oddly I still pay DirecTV about the same now as I did 16 years ago.

AT&T is more expensive but at least it doesn't fade out every time a
cloud goes by. I'd cut the cord and go all Internet TV but SWMBO has
other ideas.


Must be a location thing, we get temporary outages but only during heavy
rain. I can live with that.

They kept saying that there was something wrong with out setup (dish
direction, or something) but could never fix it.