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Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. |
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On 20 Aug 2020 at 20:27:00 BST, "newshound"
wrote: What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. They make some sense if you're going turboultrawide. I have a curved 38" Acer XR382CQ and that wouldn't be as usable if it was flat just due to the changing angles. For a normal 21:9, don't worry about it - very little benefit. For document use, I'd always recommend something around the 27" mark, 1400+ pixels tall, using IPS technology. That lets you do A3 or dual A4 in lifesize. The Dell Ultrasharp range are extremely reliable, but there are very very many somewhat cheaper models that'll probably be just as good. If you look at 4k monitors, be aware that Windows is still a little on the retarded side with screen scaling and you'll occasionally find things coming up in tiny sizes. Less so as time goes by, with Win10 updates. Earlier Windows, just don't go hi-res, it's aggravatingly crap. Cheers - Jaimie -- "In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks." -- Calvin/Bill Watterson |
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On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. Apart from those massive curved widescreen monitors, I don't see the point of a curved monitor. Do you need 4K ?. That's another variable to ponder. If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html |
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On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. My daughter recently bought a Samsung 32" curved monitor, to use when she's working from home. She displays two pages on the monitor, and other stuff on her laptop screen. She'd been using a 32" tv, but the curve does seem to make things easier. |
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On 20/08/2020 21:49, S Viemeister wrote:
On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote: What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. My daughter recently bought a Samsung 32" curved monitor, to use when she's working from home. She displays two pages on the monitor, and other stuff on her laptop screen.Â* She'd been using a 32" tv, but the curve does seem to make things easier. I'm using a 40 inch 4k TV. I must admit the far side of the screen does seem a long way away... Probably be OK through if I was in the middle, but I have my old 20 inch of to one side to use when I'm running non-computer stuff on the TV. Andy |
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On Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. When I needed a new monitor, I got a 27" flat - not curved. But what has been more useful than I expected is the USB side. It has standard USB which is useful for running a separate speaker, charging cameras, etc. And USB-C which both charges and allows display from a Surface. Can switch between computer and Surface quite easily. |
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On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare. It's turned out to be superb and I can't imagine going back to separate monitors now that I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. You mention Unix boxes; I do find the screen size lends itself well to having a terminal window and gkrellm etc always open at one side for constant visibility/access without getting in the way. The monitor is curved, which I wasn't fussed about either way when it was ordered, but now I think it does make you feel more immersed and it wouldn't surprise me if it might be easier on the eyes given the reduced refocusing.. Thinking back, I didn't have my two separate monitors parallel and so perhaps I should've expected this. It wouldn't surprise me if having such a wide screen in a flat format would be really missing something. I'd definitely recommend it/similar, but I ought to confess that my employer paid for it (£500-600?) and so it is difficult to work out how to factor that in. If I had to come up with anything I don't like it'd have to be the poor user interface - a hidden joystick around the back and everything being menu driven so sometimes quite a few clicks to do something that could quite easily have a dedicated button (eg changing source input). I've used the picture-in-picture feature a few times to connect two PCs simultaneously which works well enough, but arguably not quite as well as two separate monitors would. I wish it had built-in speakers too, just for the little amount of audio I need and that it help keep the desk clear if it had. None of these issues are showstoppers for me though - I still love it, and I still think of it as a lovely piece of kit having used it for over a year now. Mathew |
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On 20/08/2020 21:58, polygonum_on_google wrote: On Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote: Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Yup, although many are the same resolution as their 24" cousins. So you get bigger pixels rather than more information as such. However if what you see is what you currently get only more magnified they can be a good choice. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). You mounts that take three or more screens. What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. As the screen size gets wider, then it makes sense in applications where you are sitting close to the screen - it keeps the eye to screen distance consistent across the width of the display. Not a bad idea, unless also want to be able to rotate the screen into portrait mode from time to time. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. When I needed a new monitor, I got a 27" flat - not curved. But what has been more useful than I expected is the USB side. It has standard USB which is useful for running a separate speaker, charging cameras, etc. And USB-C which both charges and allows display from a Surface. Can switch between computer and Surface quite easily. Yup many have USB hubs at that level. Also many of the multi arm desk mounts also include them, so you don't need to worry about the screen having the feature so much if going for a multi monitor mount. (the ones with gas lift arms are quite nice, but a bit more pricey) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 23:08:44 UTC+1, Mathew Newton wrote:
I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare. I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and, frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use. |
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On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. Unless you are doing photo critical work, any POS from Korea will do. Only downsides I have found to modern LCD screens is failing backlights and poor viewing angle -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat. |
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On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual screens as I want. Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a browser on a third... -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
The Dell Ultrasharp range are extremely reliable I have a Dell U2715H 2560x1440, good resolution and colours, only thing missing is a VGA input for occasional hooking-up of older machines, which I suppose is the way things are going, but a VGA-HDMI soap-on-a-rope solved that. Would probably buy another Ultrasharp if it died tomorrow, maybe a 4K 32" if I was feeling flush. |
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On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:
If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back. Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a PCIe card? -- Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they will stop making it |
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On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 05:15:59 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote: I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual screens as I want. Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a browser on a third... Yes, a common feature of many window managers I believe. Its not something I've ever really got on with, but then as above I could imagine if I gave it more if a chance and got used to it I might end up singing its praises. I can only assume the benefits are limited to multiple, discrete, windows and not a single app spread across desktops though? |
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On 21/08/2020 05:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote: Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. In that case I would go for a flat monitor since it takes less desk space. Immersiveness might be a selling point for gaming but I find it supremely irrelevant for photo, video and text editing. I'm fussy about decent colour management but unless you need it any LCD today is decent and again if you don't want gaming you don't need insanely fast refresh. But don't go below 60Hz - wider screens make you more sensitive to any flicker in your peripheral vision. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. Unless you are doing photo critical work, any POS from Korea will do. Only downsides I have found toÂ* modern LCD screens is failing backlights and poor viewing angle LCD ones are fine. For photo editing I prefer IPS since then there is a sporting chance once calibrated that the colour management between what you see on the screen and print out on the printer will be the same(*). One benefit is that they have a wider viewing angle too (but cost more). (*) even with Windoze which is retarded in this respect. The latest OLED TV screens suffer from screen burn much like the CRTs of old. They have wider dynamic range than LCDs and they cost a *LOT*. https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/09...orrying-about/ -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 21/08/2020 08:42, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote: If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back. Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a PCIe card? almost certainly you will need a better card The nvidia fanless entry level are cheap and quiet Look for a GT710. https://www.geforce.co.uk/node/13144/specifications -- €œA leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, €œWe did this ourselves.€ €• Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching |
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On 21/08/2020 08:48, Mathew Newton wrote:
On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 05:15:59 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote: I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual screens as I want. Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a browser on a third... Yes, a common feature of many window managers I believe. Its not something I've ever really got on with, but then as above I could imagine if I gave it more if a chance and got used to it I might end up singing its praises. I can only assume the benefits are limited to multiple, discrete, windows and not a single app spread across desktops though? Yes. It suits a multi-tasking role more than a compile-debug-run role. e.g. I leave mail in one window, and when I get audible warning of new mail, I switch and deal with it. Then go back to whatever else I was doing. Its a bit guicker than minimising amnd maximised a window -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote: I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual screens as I want. Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a browser on a third... Windows had (or maybe still has) virtual screens in a free collection of addons from MS whose name I can no longer remember, however the idea was never really promoted. -- Chris Green · |
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On 21/08/2020 09:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/08/2020 08:42, Jeff Gaines wrote: On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote: If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back. Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a PCIe card? almost certainly you will need a better card The nvidia fanless entry level are cheap and quiet Look for a GT710. https://www.geforce.co.uk/node/13144/specifications That'll 'only' drive 2560 x 1600. To the OP - I bought an Asus VP28UQG 28" LED - the higher resolution (3840 x 2160) means you get more information on the screen. The downside of this relatively cheap monitor is that text can be slightly blurred - but overall it's fine for me on a 'spare' Windows PC. My iMac's native resolution is 5120 x 2880. That really crams stuff on to a 27" screen, but the default text size is approaching the limits of my less than perfect eyesight. It's fine at the moment, but guess another 10 years and I'll be struggling. Also, buying that standard of screen is £1000+ . . . -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes. Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands. I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing especially with a couple of documents open. I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand). What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house. I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment. Wow, great set of advice, thanks to everyone. Some pretty consistent "themes" and some useful warnings. I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two (sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22 inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and laptops live under. I already had the Dell ultrasharps on my initial shortlist (I had a good Iiyama years ago). Tempted by IPS from other reviews. |
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Mathew Newton wrote: On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 23:08:44 UTC+1, Mathew Newton wrote: I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare. I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and, frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use. I'd say there is an ideal size. Assuming the monitor in a common position - rather than some way off. I've had 24" for ages - and not really felt the need to go bigger. With smaller, I did, but had to wait until economical to do so. -- *A cartoonist was found dead in his home. Details are sketchy.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Mathew Newton wrote:
I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and, frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use. Urgh, I can't imagine why you'd want 49" 3840x1080. I suppose it might be good for films, but that's about it. A 40" 4K monitor (which is same horizontal res as above, double vertical res) works out the same pixel density as four 20" 1080p monitors. A 43" 4K as four 21.5" 1080p. That means you don't need any fancy pixel scaling settings, you can just use it as if it's four small monitors, without bezels, glued together. 4K panels are cheap now - a 4K TV is £250 at Argos these days. TVs aren't necessarily great as monitors for various reasons, but they're often 'good enough', especially for domestic use. Theo |
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I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two (sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22 inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and laptops live under. It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you the ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one machine take over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel can do up to 4 inputs shown at once. In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of the screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg setting up Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality but just want to see what I'm typing. Theo |
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On 21/08/2020 13:33, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y newshound wrote: I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two (sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22 inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and laptops live under. It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you the ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one machine take over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel can do up to 4 inputs shown at once. In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of the screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg setting up Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality but just want to see what I'm typing. Theo Good point, I had not thought of that. Playing with Pi's and/or Arduino is one of the things I havn't quite got around to doing yet. But it's well worth thinking about future proofing. |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:53:57 +0100, newshound wrote:
On 21/08/2020 13:33, Theo wrote: In uk.d-i-y newshound wrote: I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two (sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22 inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and laptops live under. It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you the ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one machine take over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel can do up to 4 inputs shown at once. In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of the screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg setting up Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality but just want to see what I'm typing. Theo Good point, I had not thought of that. Playing with Pi's and/or Arduino is one of the things I havn't quite got around to doing yet. But it's well worth thinking about future proofing. I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to understand how to get it working on these yet. Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait. This works well. Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors from two outputs to the single screen. Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a window to go full screen. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 21 Aug 2020 at 08:42:17 BST, ""Jeff Gaines""
wrote: On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote: If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back. Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a PCIe card? Depends - what CPU (and therefore embedded Intel gfx) are you using? Cheers - Jaimie -- "Reality is what doesn't go away when you stop believing in it" -- Philip K Dick |
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In uk.comp.homebuilt David wrote:
I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to understand how to get it working on these yet. Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait. This works well. Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors from two outputs to the single screen. Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a window to go full screen. You mean 'maximise' to only go to half the screen, like it did on your two monitor setup? There are Windows addons to do this, which would seem easier than lying to Windows that it has two monitors (and messy pixel scaling the monitor has to do). Not tried it but apparently: WIN+Right Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the right. WIN+Left Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the left. Theo |
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On 21 Aug 2020 at 17:10:09 BST, "Theo"
wrote: In uk.comp.homebuilt David wrote: I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to understand how to get it working on these yet. Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait. This works well. Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors from two outputs to the single screen. Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a window to go full screen. You mean 'maximise' to only go to half the screen, like it did on your two monitor setup? There are Windows addons to do this, which would seem easier than lying to Windows that it has two monitors (and messy pixel scaling the monitor has to do). Not tried it but apparently: WIN+Right Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the right. WIN+Left Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the left. Just dragging a window so that the mouse hits the left or right edge of the screen should trigger a "drop if you want it to go half-screen". Possibly needs enabling, I've no idea what the defaults are. https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...p-your-windows Cheers - Jaimie -- "The more wrong a guy gets, the louder he yells at the person trying to help him. Which, inevitably, makes him even wronger. But less helped." -- Merlin Mann |
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Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 21 Aug 2020 at 08:42:17 BST, ""Jeff Gaines"" wrote: On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote: If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :- https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back. Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a PCIe card? Depends - what CPU (and therefore embedded Intel gfx) are you using? Cheers - Jaimie Intel are generous, in that they're more likely to name Xres * Yres @ RefreshRate, so you can quickly figure it out. Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number. The HDMI one might be workable at 2560x1440, the DP one if the connector is available, is more useful. While the lower refresh rates are OK for movie playback, you want 60Hz operation for desktop usage. (85Hz is not necessary with LCDs. The LCD has "persistence" sufficient for the lower rate.) https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-20-ghz.html Max Resolution (HDMI 1.4) 4096 x 2304 @ 24Hz === not a useful spec -------------+ | Max Resolution (DP) 4096 x 2304 @ 60Hz === good for 4K (3840 × 2160) | | [Max Resolution (eDP - Integrated Flat Panel) 4096 x 2304 @ 60Hz === laptop? | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI | | HDMI | 1.3€“1.4b | | 2560 x 1440 75Hz That's why they tell you it is HDMI 1.4, to correct it... | 3840 x 2160 30Hz -----------------------------------------------------------------+ Adapters are available, both passive and active ones, for converting from one standard to another. I have an HDMI to VGA and a DP to VGA adapter, as examples of (cheap) active ones. There are also some from-to combos which make (expensive) active ones. You're almost better off buying a video card. The low end of the video card market is no longer cheap, for items still under support... Once Intel dips its paddle in the water with Xe graphics cards, perhaps the low end pricing will change. Paul |
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On 21/08/2020 in message Paul wrote:
Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number. That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly. -- Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. |
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Jeff Gaines wrote:
Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number. That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly. co-incidentally that's what I have, so I know it's there https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html |
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On 21/08/2020 in message Andy Burns
wrote: Jeff Gaines wrote: Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number. That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly. co-incidentally that's what I have, so I know it's there https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html Brilliant thank you :-) You have to get the ID in the right order... -- Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK All things being equal, fat people use more soap |
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Andy Burns wrote:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html But it doesn't tell you much about graphics capability ... without splitting too many fine hairs the E3-1245 v3 is basically an i7-4770 (non-K) but the differ on graphics ... the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160 but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600. |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html But it doesn't tell you much about graphics capability ... without splitting too many fine hairs the E3-1245 v3 is basically an i7-4770 (non-K) but the differ on graphics ... the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160 but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600. Looks like someone was asleep at their desk at Intel. The entry here might have been speculative. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/I...1245%20v3.html "Integrated graphics GPU Type: HD P4600" That's my backup source if they're not visible on ark. That site isn't known for listing resolution support. Paul |
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On 21/08/2020 09:25, Chris Green wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote: I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual screens as I want. Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a browser on a third... Windows had (or maybe still has) virtual screens Yup standard part of Win 10... https://community.windows.com/en-us/...top-windows-10 in a free collection of addons from MS whose name I can no longer remember, MS Powertoys probably however the idea was never really promoted. It has its followers... personally I prefer multiple real desktops! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Paul wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160 but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600. Looks like someone was asleep at their desk at Intel. The entry here might have been speculative. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/I...1245%20v3.html Â*Â*Â* "Integrated graphicsÂ*Â*Â* GPU Type: HD P4600" I was going by this https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/processors/xeon/xeon-e3-1200-hd-graphics-guide.html Looking again, that might not be for the E3 v3 Xeons, doesn't matter to me as I use an rx580 GPU with mine, neither the CPU or GPU are rocketships by today's standards but for non-gaming both still work well for me ... I think my M/B has stopped receiving firmware updates, and the CPU has stopped getting microcode fixes, so they mitigated Spectre and left Fallout/Zombieload alone for those CPUs |
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On 21/08/2020 13:26, Theo wrote:
Mathew Newton wrote: I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and, frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use. Urgh, I can't imagine why you'd want 49" 3840x1080. I suppose it might be good for films, but that's about it. A 40" 4K monitor (which is same horizontal res as above, double vertical res) works out the same pixel density as four 20" 1080p monitors. A 43" 4K as four 21.5" 1080p. That means you don't need any fancy pixel scaling settings, you can just use it as if it's four small monitors, without bezels, glued together. 4K panels are cheap now - a 4K TV is £250 at Argos these days. TVs aren't necessarily great as monitors for various reasons, but they're often 'good enough', especially for domestic use. Theo The sticking point is the underlying panel technology for todays 4K TV's and monitors. Many seem to be VA or MVA, which ??don't have the best viewing angle compared to IPS. I notice the Sony and LG are now selling 48 inch OLED TV's, which might make an interesting monitor. |
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