Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

On 20 Aug 2020 at 20:27:00 BST, "newshound"
wrote:

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

They make some sense if you're going turboultrawide. I have a curved 38" Acer
XR382CQ and that wouldn't be as usable if it was flat just due to the changing
angles.

For a normal 21:9, don't worry about it - very little benefit.

For document use, I'd always recommend something around the 27" mark, 1400+
pixels tall, using IPS technology. That lets you do A3 or dual A4 in lifesize.
The Dell Ultrasharp range are extremely reliable, but there are very very many
somewhat cheaper models that'll probably be just as good.

If you look at 4k monitors, be aware that Windows is still a little on the
retarded side with screen scaling and you'll occasionally find things coming
up in tiny sizes. Less so as time goes by, with Win10 updates. Earlier
Windows, just don't go hi-res, it's aggravatingly crap.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research
to finding a cure for jerks." -- Calvin/Bill Watterson

On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

Apart from those massive curved widescreen monitors, I don't
see the point of a curved monitor.

Do you need 4K ?. That's another variable to ponder.

If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-

https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html

On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

My daughter recently bought a Samsung 32" curved monitor, to use when
she's working from home. She displays two pages on the monitor, and
other stuff on her laptop screen. She'd been using a 32" tv, but the
curve does seem to make things easier.

On 20/08/2020 21:49, S Viemeister wrote:
On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea
to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the
house.

My daughter recently bought a Samsung 32" curved monitor, to use when
she's working from home. She displays two pages on the monitor, and
other stuff on her laptop screen.Â* She'd been using a 32" tv, but the
curve does seem to make things easier.

I'm using a 40 inch 4k TV. I must admit the far side of the screen does
seem a long way away... Probably be OK through if I was in the middle,
but I have my old 20 inch of to one side to use when I'm running
non-computer stuff on the TV.

Andy

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

When I needed a new monitor, I got a 27" flat - not curved.

But what has been more useful than I expected is the USB side. It has standard USB which is useful for running a separate speaker, charging cameras, etc. And USB-C which both charges and allows display from a Surface. Can switch between computer and Surface quite easily.

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare. It's turned out to be superb and I can't imagine going back to separate monitors now that I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available. You mention Unix boxes; I do find the screen size lends itself well to having a terminal window and gkrellm etc always open at one side for constant visibility/access without getting in the way.

The monitor is curved, which I wasn't fussed about either way when it was ordered, but now I think it does make you feel more immersed and it wouldn't surprise me if it might be easier on the eyes given the reduced refocusing.. Thinking back, I didn't have my two separate monitors parallel and so perhaps I should've expected this. It wouldn't surprise me if having such a wide screen in a flat format would be really missing something.

I'd definitely recommend it/similar, but I ought to confess that my employer paid for it (£500-600?) and so it is difficult to work out how to factor that in. If I had to come up with anything I don't like it'd have to be the poor user interface - a hidden joystick around the back and everything being menu driven so sometimes quite a few clicks to do something that could quite easily have a dedicated button (eg changing source input). I've used the picture-in-picture feature a few times to connect two PCs simultaneously which works well enough, but arguably not quite as well as two separate monitors would. I wish it had built-in speakers too, just for the little amount of audio I need and that it help keep the desk clear if it had. None of these issues are showstoppers for me though - I still love it, and I still think of it as a lovely piece of kit having used it for over a year now.

Mathew

I did not see the OP, so will reply here...

On 20/08/2020 21:58, polygonum_on_google wrote:

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:27:03 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch
for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using
the 22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor
stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need
professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text
for editing especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these
days.

Yup, although many are the same resolution as their 24" cousins. So you
get bigger pixels rather than more information as such. However if what
you see is what you currently get only more magnified they can be a good
choice.

Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so
could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and
other boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a
custom stand).

You mounts that take three or more screens.

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange
idea to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff
around the house.

As the screen size gets wider, then it makes sense in applications where
you are sitting close to the screen - it keeps the eye to screen
distance consistent across the width of the display.

Not a bad idea, unless also want to be able to rotate the screen into
portrait mode from time to time.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really
interested in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish
Dell 490 as the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This
still seems to have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

When I needed a new monitor, I got a 27" flat - not curved.

But what has been more useful than I expected is the USB side. It has
standard USB which is useful for running a separate speaker, charging
cameras, etc. And USB-C which both charges and allows display from a
Surface. Can switch between computer and Surface quite easily.

Yup many have USB hubs at that level. Also many of the multi arm desk
mounts also include them, so you don't need to worry about the screen
having the feature so much if going for a multi monitor mount.

(the ones with gas lift arms are quite nice, but a bit more pricey)




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On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 23:08:44 UTC+1, Mathew Newton wrote:

I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare.

I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and, frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use.

On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

Unless you are doing photo critical work, any POS from Korea will do.
Only downsides I have found to modern LCD screens is failing backlights
and poor viewing angle



--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available.

The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual
screens as I want.

Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole
tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under
virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a
browser on a third...


--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

The Dell Ultrasharp range are extremely reliable

I have a Dell U2715H 2560x1440, good resolution and colours, only thing
missing is a VGA input for occasional hooking-up of older machines,
which I suppose is the way things are going, but a VGA-HDMI
soap-on-a-rope solved that.

Would probably buy another Ultrasharp if it died tomorrow, maybe a 4K
32" if I was feeling flush.

On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:


If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-

https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html

Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back.

Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a
PCIe card?

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
will stop making it

On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 05:15:59 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available.
The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual
screens as I want.

Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole
tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under
virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a
browser on a third...

Yes, a common feature of many window managers I believe. Its not something I've ever really got on with, but then as above I could imagine if I gave it more if a chance and got used to it I might end up singing its praises. I can only assume the benefits are limited to multiple, discrete, windows and not a single app spread across desktops though?

On 21/08/2020 05:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch
for laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the
22 as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need
professional state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for
editing especially with a couple of documents open.

In that case I would go for a flat monitor since it takes less desk
space. Immersiveness might be a selling point for gaming but I find it
supremely irrelevant for photo, video and text editing. I'm fussy about
decent colour management but unless you need it any LCD today is decent
and again if you don't want gaming you don't need insanely fast refresh.
But don't go below 60Hz - wider screens make you more sensitive to any
flicker in your peripheral vision.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these
days. Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so
could go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other
boxes I could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea
to me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the
house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as
the main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to
have plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

Unless you are doing photo critical work, any POS from Korea will do.
Only downsides I have found toÂ* modern LCD screens is failing backlights
and poor viewing angle

LCD ones are fine. For photo editing I prefer IPS since then there is a
sporting chance once calibrated that the colour management between what
you see on the screen and print out on the printer will be the same(*).
One benefit is that they have a wider viewing angle too (but cost more).

(*) even with Windoze which is retarded in this respect.

The latest OLED TV screens suffer from screen burn much like the CRTs of
old. They have wider dynamic range than LCDs and they cost a *LOT*.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/09...orrying-about/

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 21/08/2020 08:42, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:


If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-

https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html


Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back.

Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a
PCIe card?

almost certainly you will need a better card

The nvidia fanless entry level are cheap and quiet
Look for a GT710.

https://www.geforce.co.uk/node/13144/specifications

--
€œA leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
€œWe did this ourselves.€�

ۥ Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 21/08/2020 08:48, Mathew Newton wrote:
On Friday, 21 August 2020 at 05:15:59 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing them around the screen estate available.
The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual
screens as I want.

Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole
tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under
virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a
browser on a third...

Yes, a common feature of many window managers I believe. Its not something I've ever really got on with, but then as above I could imagine if I gave it more if a chance and got used to it I might end up singing its praises. I can only assume the benefits are limited to multiple, discrete, windows and not a single app spread across desktops though?

Yes. It suits a multi-tasking role more than a compile-debug-run role.
e.g. I leave mail in one window, and when I get audible warning of new
mail, I switch and deal with it. Then go back to whatever else I was doing.

Its a bit guicker than minimising amnd maximised a window

--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing
them around the screen estate available.

The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual
screens as I want.

Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole
tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under
virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a
browser on a third...

Windows had (or maybe still has) virtual screens in a free collection
of addons from MS whose name I can no longer remember, however the
idea was never really promoted.

--
Chris Green
·

On 21/08/2020 09:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/08/2020 08:42, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:


If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-

https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html


Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back.

Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need
a PCIe card?

almost certainly you will need a better card

The nvidia fanless entry level are cheap and quiet
Look for a GT710.

https://www.geforce.co.uk/node/13144/specifications


That'll 'only' drive 2560 x 1600.

To the OP - I bought an Asus VP28UQG 28" LED - the higher resolution
(3840 x 2160) means you get more information on the screen. The downside
of this relatively cheap monitor is that text can be slightly blurred -
but overall it's fine for me on a 'spare' Windows PC.


My iMac's native resolution is 5120 x 2880. That really crams stuff on
to a 27" screen, but the default text size is approaching the limits of
my less than perfect eyesight. It's fine at the moment, but guess
another 10 years and I'll be struggling. Also, buying that standard of
screen is £1000+ . . .

--
Cheers, Rob

On 20/08/2020 20:27, newshound wrote:
Currently using a 22 inch LG on the desktop and a secondary 19 inch for
laptops or when I power up one of the unix boxes.

Time I upgraded, thinking about a 27 inch main monitor and using the 22
as secondary, perhaps on one of the adjustable 2-monitor stands.

I don't do games, I do some photos and video but don't need professional
state of the art. Mainly I could do with bigger text for editing
especially with a couple of documents open.

I was surprised to see how cheap decent 27 inch screens are these days.
Not really limited by money, and I have a reasonably big desk so could
go bigger than 27 inch. By reorganising the printers and other boxes I
could have three monitors (I can easily build a custom stand).

What do people think about curved monitors? Seem like a strange idea to
me but I am very happy with various other Samsung stuff around the house.

I know it is a "piece of string" question but I'd be really interested
in the views of these groups. Currently have an old-ish Dell 490 as the
main box with a Radeon R7 200 series DVI card. This still seems to have
plenty of "oomph" for me at the moment.

Wow, great set of advice, thanks to everyone. Some pretty consistent
"themes" and some useful warnings.

I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two
(sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour
calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22
inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably
be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and
laptops live under.

I already had the Dell ultrasharps on my initial shortlist (I had a good
Iiyama years ago). Tempted by IPS from other reviews.

In article ,
Mathew Newton wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 23:08:44 UTC+1, Mathew Newton wrote:

I went from two 19" 4:3 monitors (not sure of the resolutions) to a single 34" ultrawidescreen (21:9, 3440 x 1440) Samsung CH890 (https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/professional-ch890/) and wasn't sure how it'd compare.

I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use
a 49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90
(https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really
quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and,
frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working
on someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I
think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use.

I'd say there is an ideal size. Assuming the monitor in a common position
- rather than some way off. I've had 24" for ages - and not really felt
the need to go bigger. With smaller, I did, but had to wait until
economical to do so.

--
*A cartoonist was found dead in his home. Details are sketchy.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mathew Newton wrote:
I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a
49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90
(https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really
quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and,
frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on
someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I
think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use.

Urgh, I can't imagine why you'd want 49" 3840x1080. I suppose it might be
good for films, but that's about it.

A 40" 4K monitor (which is same horizontal res as above, double vertical
res) works out the same pixel density as four 20" 1080p monitors. A 43" 4K
as four 21.5" 1080p. That means you don't need any fancy pixel scaling
settings, you can just use it as if it's four small monitors, without
bezels, glued together.

4K panels are cheap now - a 4K TV is £250 at Argos these days. TVs aren't
necessarily great as monitors for various reasons, but they're often 'good
enough', especially for domestic use.

Theo

In uk.d-i-y newshound wrote:
I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two
(sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour
calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22
inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably
be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and
laptops live under.

It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you the
ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one machine take
over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel can do up to 4
inputs shown at once.

In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of the
screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg setting up
Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality but just want to
see what I'm typing.

Theo

On 21/08/2020 13:33, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y newshound wrote:
I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two
(sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a Datacolour
calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be keeping the 22
inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly money. I'll probably
be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers" that keyboards and
laptops live under.

It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you the
ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one machine take
over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel can do up to 4
inputs shown at once.

In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of the
screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg setting up
Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality but just want to
see what I'm typing.

Theo

Good point, I had not thought of that.

Playing with Pi's and/or Arduino is one of the things I havn't quite got
around to doing yet. But it's well worth thinking about future proofing.

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:53:57 +0100, newshound wrote:

On 21/08/2020 13:33, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y newshound wrote:
I'm definitely going for two screens because I routinely run two
(sometimes three) machines at the same time. I already have a
Datacolour calibrator. Will *probably* go 27 inch becase I'll be
keeping the 22 inch LG and Amazon's stand for 2 x 27 isn't silly
money. I'll probably be mounting it on one of my three sided "raisers"
that keyboards and laptops live under.

It's worth looking at picture-in-picture capability. That provides you
the ability to display multiple inputs if you want, and have one
machine take over the display if you want. For example my 40" 4K panel
can do up to 4 inputs shown at once.

In 1-way PiP the second input is scaled to a window in the top right of
the screen, overlaying the main input. I use this quite a bit for eg
setting up Raspberry Pis, where I'm not fussed by perfect image quality
but just want to see what I'm typing.

Theo

Good point, I had not thought of that.

Playing with Pi's and/or Arduino is one of the things I havn't quite got
around to doing yet. But it's well worth thinking about future proofing.

I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to
understand how to get it working on these yet.

Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main
HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait.

This works well.

Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors
from two outputs to the single screen.

Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a
window to go full screen.

Cheers


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On 21 Aug 2020 at 08:42:17 BST, ""Jeff Gaines""
wrote:

On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:


If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-


https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html

Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back.

Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a
PCIe card?

Depends - what CPU (and therefore embedded Intel gfx) are you using?

Cheers - Jaimie
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In uk.comp.homebuilt David wrote:
I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to
understand how to get it working on these yet.

Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main
HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait.

This works well.

Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors
from two outputs to the single screen.

Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a
window to go full screen.

You mean 'maximise' to only go to half the screen, like it did on your two
monitor setup?

There are Windows addons to do this, which would seem easier than lying to
Windows that it has two monitors (and messy pixel scaling the monitor has to
do).

Not tried it but apparently:

WIN+Right Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the
right.
WIN+Left Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the
left.

Theo

On 21 Aug 2020 at 17:10:09 BST, "Theo"
wrote:

In uk.comp.homebuilt David wrote:
I have a 4K monitor with multiple inputs but haven't had the time to
understand how to get it working on these yet.

Intention was to replicate what I have at this location, which is 22" main
HD monitor in landscape and 15" second monitor in portrait.

This works well.

Haven't yet got to the stage where W10 will drive two virtual monitors
from two outputs to the single screen.

Could partition a single screen but this gets compromised if you want a
window to go full screen.

You mean 'maximise' to only go to half the screen, like it did on your two
monitor setup?

There are Windows addons to do this, which would seem easier than lying to
Windows that it has two monitors (and messy pixel scaling the monitor has to
do).

Not tried it but apparently:

WIN+Right Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the
right.
WIN+Left Arrow: Resize the window to half of the display and dock it to the
left.

Just dragging a window so that the mouse hits the left or right edge of the
screen should trigger a "drop if you want it to go half-screen". Possibly
needs enabling, I've no idea what the defaults are.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...p-your-windows

Cheers - Jaimie
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Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 21 Aug 2020 at 08:42:17 BST, ""Jeff Gaines""
wrote:

On 20/08/2020 in message Andrew wrote:

If you don't, and your desk is big enough, then they have these :-


https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/...3270qs-b1.html
Wow, half the price I paid for my HP 24" monitors a few years back.

Will built in Intel gfx drive those at full resolution or do you need a
PCIe card?

Depends - what CPU (and therefore embedded Intel gfx) are you using?

Cheers - Jaimie

Intel are generous, in that they're more likely to
name Xres * Yres @ RefreshRate, so you can quickly
figure it out.

Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number.

The HDMI one might be workable at 2560x1440, the DP
one if the connector is available, is more useful.
While the lower refresh rates are OK for movie playback,
you want 60Hz operation for desktop usage. (85Hz is
not necessary with LCDs. The LCD has "persistence"
sufficient for the lower rate.)

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-4-20-ghz.html

Max Resolution (HDMI 1.4) 4096 x 2304 @ 24Hz === not a useful spec -------------+
|
Max Resolution (DP) 4096 x 2304 @ 60Hz === good for 4K (3840 × 2160) |
|
[Max Resolution (eDP - Integrated Flat Panel) 4096 x 2304 @ 60Hz === laptop? |
|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI |
|
HDMI |
1.3€“1.4b |
|
2560 x 1440 75Hz That's why they tell you it is HDMI 1.4, to correct it... |
3840 x 2160 30Hz -----------------------------------------------------------------+

Adapters are available, both passive and active ones, for converting
from one standard to another. I have an HDMI to VGA and a DP to VGA adapter,
as examples of (cheap) active ones. There are also some from-to combos
which make (expensive) active ones. You're almost better off buying
a video card. The low end of the video card market is no longer
cheap, for items still under support...

Once Intel dips its paddle in the water with Xe graphics
cards, perhaps the low end pricing will change.

Paul

On 21/08/2020 in message Paul wrote:

Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number.

That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly.

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Jeff Gaines wrote:

Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number.

That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly.

co-incidentally that's what I have, so I know it's there

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html

On 21/08/2020 in message Andy Burns
wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

Start at ark.intel.com and enter the CPU part number.

That's a brilliant resource but it can't find my Xeon E3 1245 V3 sadly.

co-incidentally that's what I have, so I know it's there

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html

Brilliant thank you :-)

You have to get the ID in the right order...

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Andy Burns wrote:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html

But it doesn't tell you much about graphics capability ... without
splitting too many fine hairs the E3-1245 v3 is basically an i7-4770
(non-K) but the differ on graphics ... the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160
but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600.

Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75462/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1245-v3-8m-cache-3-40-ghz.html


But it doesn't tell you much about graphics capability ... without
splitting too many fine hairs the E3-1245 v3 is basically an i7-4770
(non-K) but the differ on graphics ... the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160
but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600.

Looks like someone was asleep at their desk at Intel.

The entry here might have been speculative.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/I...1245%20v3.html

"Integrated graphics GPU Type: HD P4600"

That's my backup source if they're not visible on ark.
That site isn't known for listing resolution support.

Paul

On 21/08/2020 09:25, Chris Green wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/08/2020 23:08, Mathew Newton wrote:
I'm used to not automatically maximising my windows and instead moving/sizing
them around the screen estate available.

The beauty of Mint MATE (linux) is that I can have as many virtual
screens as I want.

Unless I need to have more than one window per task, I simply move whole
tasks onto another virtual screen, so I can have e.g. Windows under
virtualbox on one virtual screen, a mail and news client on another, a
browser on a third...

Windows had (or maybe still has) virtual screens

Yup standard part of Win 10...

https://community.windows.com/en-us/...top-windows-10

in a free collection
of addons from MS whose name I can no longer remember,

MS Powertoys probably

however the
idea was never really promoted.

It has its followers... personally I prefer multiple real desktops!


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Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

the i7 has HD4600 max 3840x2160
but the E3 only has P3000 max 2560x1600.

Looks like someone was asleep at their desk at Intel.
The entry here might have been speculative.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/I...1245%20v3.html
Â*Â*Â* "Integrated graphicsÂ*Â*Â* GPU Type: HD P4600"

I was going by this

https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/processors/xeon/xeon-e3-1200-hd-graphics-guide.html

Looking again, that might not be for the E3 v3 Xeons, doesn't matter to
me as I use an rx580 GPU with mine, neither the CPU or GPU are
rocketships by today's standards but for non-gaming both still work well
for me ...

I think my M/B has stopped receiving firmware updates, and the CPU has
stopped getting microcode fixes, so they mitigated Spectre and left
Fallout/Zombieload alone for those CPUs

On 21/08/2020 13:26, Theo wrote:
Mathew Newton wrote:
I forgot to add: don't assume bigger is always better... I sometimes use a
49" super-ultrawidescreen (32:9, 3840x1080) Samsung CHG90
(https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg90d/) at work and really
quite hate it. The reduced vertical resolution as a bit limiting and,
frankly, I never go near the far sides as it feels like you're working on
someone else's desk when you do! Probably great for gaming - which I
think is it's target market - but somewhat deficient for 'normal' use.

Urgh, I can't imagine why you'd want 49" 3840x1080. I suppose it might be
good for films, but that's about it.

A 40" 4K monitor (which is same horizontal res as above, double vertical
res) works out the same pixel density as four 20" 1080p monitors. A 43" 4K
as four 21.5" 1080p. That means you don't need any fancy pixel scaling
settings, you can just use it as if it's four small monitors, without
bezels, glued together.

4K panels are cheap now - a 4K TV is £250 at Argos these days. TVs aren't
necessarily great as monitors for various reasons, but they're often 'good
enough', especially for domestic use.

Theo

The sticking point is the underlying panel technology for todays
4K TV's and monitors. Many seem to be VA or MVA, which ??don't have
the best viewing angle compared to IPS.

I notice the Sony and LG are now selling 48 inch OLED TV's, which
might make an interesting monitor.