My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

However, I recall being told that the HDTVs dont have adaquate
resolution to provide a decent image for computers. Yet, the person who
told me that was no expert and that was told to me quite a few years ago
too, which may not be applicable to the newer TVs.

Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, Jerry.Tan wrote:


Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks

I use an old Dell computer DHP with a 2.8 GHz pentium purchased as a
cheap refurbished unit 6 years ago which had XP and only the built in
graphics card on the motherboard. I use it with both XP and linux
successfully on my new Vizio 62 inch TV (which has the RGB port). I can
run this above 1280 x 1024 resolution and it gives a good picture. Keep
your RGB cable short as this helps the quality. The computer is able to
play most video streams well, but full HD will be limited by your
graphics card or processor speed. If you already use it successfully on a
moniter then I think you'll be OK.


Thane

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-6, wrote:
My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor.

Check-out Goodwill and resale shops...I've bought a couple 17" for $10, and 19" for $20 and a Samsung for $30. Also see CL...I've listed and sold some on there...

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:25:59 -0800 (PST), bob_villa
wrote:

Check-out Goodwill and resale shops...I've bought a couple 17" for $10, and 19" for $20 and a Samsung for $30. Also see CL...I've listed and sold some on there...

Check out your community yard sales. My neighbor gave me an NEC 18"
MultiSync LCD 1850E monitor. He told me to just "take it" when I asked
his price. Better viewing than the 15" ViewSonic LCD I still have for
a spare.

In article ,
wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

depending on distance, I suppose it would be possible to use a wireless
keyboard and something like an AppleTV to use both in the TV room


However, I recall being told that the HDTVs dont have adaquate
resolution to provide a decent image for computers. Yet, the person who
told me that was no expert and that was told to me quite a few years ago
too, which may not be applicable to the newer TVs.

Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

However, I recall being told that the HDTVs dont have adaquate
resolution to provide a decent image for computers. Yet, the person who
told me that was no expert and that was told to me quite a few years ago
too, which may not be applicable to the newer TVs.

I'm currently using a 22 inch RCA HDTV at 1366X768 and it is working
perfectly

Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, someone wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died

Not picking on you in particular, I'm curious why all these computer
questions are not addressed to computer newsgroups, several of which are
alive and well.

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

depending on distance, I suppose it would be possible to use a wireless
keyboard and something like an AppleTV to use both in the TV room


He appears to want TV capability in
both locations. If he he adds your stuff, he winds up with just
his original HDTV in the living room, the PC chassis in the other room.
And AppleTV just adds a streaming video source to his HDTV. WTF does
that solve? Instead of trying to remote the PC, you might as well just
move the PC, but it still doesn't give you TV in two locations. Or
he could just buy the small HDTV that he suggested.

On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 4:28:39 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, someone wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died

Not picking on you in particular, I'm curious why all these computer
questions are not addressed to computer newsgroups, several of which are
alive and well.

Becaause folks like us better, obviously.

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input.
Mark

On 2/1/2015 4:28 AM, micky wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, someone wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died

Not picking on you in particular, I'm curious why all these computer
questions are not addressed to computer newsgroups, several of which are
alive and well.


Because the folks here give more practical solutions compared to the
geeks on some of the computer groups.

The most typical failure I've seen on LCD computer displays are failing
electrolytic capacitors in the power supply section. Typically they are
visually swollen. The parts are inexpensive from online sources. It can
be a challenge to solder boards that meet ROHS specs and not burn up
adjacent micro sized parts unless you have the proper tools.

On 1/31/2015 3:34 PM, wrote:
My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).


Check out Woot.com (Amazon's refurbished stuff)

On Sun, 1 Feb 2015 04:46:48 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

depending on distance, I suppose it would be possible to use a wireless
keyboard and something like an AppleTV to use both in the TV room


He appears to want TV capability in
both locations. If he he adds your stuff, he winds up with just
his original HDTV in the living room, the PC chassis in the other room.
And AppleTV just adds a streaming video source to his HDTV. WTF does
that solve? Instead of trying to remote the PC, you might as well just
move the PC, but it still doesn't give you TV in two locations. Or
he could just buy the small HDTV that he suggested.

Yep, tv is in the living room, computer in bedroom. I actually do have
an old CRT tv on the bedroom, with DTV box, but I've been wanting to
replace that tv anyhow.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 09:03:02 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/1/2015 4:28 AM, micky wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, someone wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died

Not picking on you in particular, I'm curious why all these computer
questions are not addressed to computer newsgroups, several of which are
alive and well.


Because the folks here give more practical solutions compared to the
geeks on some of the computer groups.

You just hit the nail right on the head. Seems everytime I go to a
computer related newsgroup, I end up so confused by all the geek talk,
that I leave more puzzled that I was in the first place.

I know the last time I asked on one of those newsgroups a simple
question about disabling antomatic upgrades in a web browser, I ended up
with reams of technical stuff I dod not understand, was told my
operating system was too old (XP) and needed to be upgraded, my browser
was also old and a security risk, and was told that browser is no good
anyhow, and so on.... Heck, some even told me to use linux and not
windows. I'm no geek nor do I want to be. I'm happy with the software
I use, even if it is old.

After spending a few hours on my own, I found the setting I wanted, but
it's sort of hidden, which is why I could not easily find it.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 05:00:30 -0800, makolber wrote:

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input. Mark

Yes, that's right. The RGB connection is the VGA 15 pin connector similar
to that on monitors. I'd advise the OP to check before he buys a new TV
as not all units have it.

Thane

On 2/1/2015 11:08 AM, wrote:


Yep, tv is in the living room, computer in bedroom. I actually do have
an old CRT tv on the bedroom, with DTV box, but I've been wanting to
replace that tv anyhow.


When you do, get a big one. Our first bedroom TV was 13" CRT, replaced
by a 19" CRT. When I went to a flatscreen, I was thinking a 27", but
ended up with a 32". It was good, but since moved to another location
and replaced with a 40". Thought it would be huge, but it is a nice
size from the bed.

Common scenario is no matter what size you think you need, get one size
larger. Worked for me.

On 2/1/2015 11:36 AM, Thane wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 05:00:30 -0800, makolber wrote:

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input. Mark

Yes, that's right. The RGB connection is the VGA 15 pin connector similar
to that on monitors. I'd advise the OP to check before he buys a new TV
as not all units have it.

Thane


Many computers now have an HDMI output too

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:14:16 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/1/2015 11:36 AM, Thane wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 05:00:30 -0800, makolber wrote:

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input. Mark

Yes, that's right. The RGB connection is the VGA 15 pin connector
similar to that on monitors. I'd advise the OP to check before he buys
a new TV as not all units have it.

Thane


Many computers now have an HDMI output too

Yes, but the OP said he had an old computer.

I was in a similar situation to the OP having an old, cheap machine with
XP which I wanted to retain, but use it with a large screen TV. Finding a
TV with RGB (VGA) input was the fix for me. I also tried changing the OS
on this too, to linux and this worked well too, so my old PC now can run
either with the TV as monitor and wireless keyboard and mouse. The range
is limited to about 6 feet, but it works well.

Thane

On 1/31/2015 3:34 PM, wrote:
My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

However, I recall being told that the HDTVs dont have adaquate
resolution to provide a decent image for computers. Yet, the person who
told me that was no expert and that was told to me quite a few years ago
too, which may not be applicable to the newer TVs.

Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks


It can certainly be done although I, personally, find that my 42" HDTV
makes a crappy computer display despite operating at 1920X1080 resolution.
The problem is a matter of scale -- the pixels are effectively spread out
over a huge area compared to the identical resolution on the 23" computer
monitor on my desk operating at the same resolution. It is just too
difficult to get in the right position to make use of it. So, while the
HDTV (connected by HDMI) is the only display on my HTPC and is fine for
playing back media, I wouldn't want to sit and compose a long email on it;
most of the time I can hardly locate the mouse pointer on that big slab of
plastic.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:28:33 -0500, micky
wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:34:58 -0600, someone wrote:

My old LCD 17" computer monitor died

Not picking on you in particular, I'm curious why all these computer
questions are not addressed to computer newsgroups, several of which are
alive and well.

Because there is a nexus between computers and home repair. Many
solutions can also be found in the Help and Support in Windows, if
folks bother to search it from their desktop. Use the search box from
the Start icon.
--
"Dumb is local...As soon as you go 15 miles away from your dumbness, you see how dumb you are." -- Sherrod Small

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:36:41 -0600, Thane wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 05:00:30 -0800, makolber wrote:

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input. Mark

Yes, that's right. The RGB connection is the VGA 15 pin connector similar
to that on monitors. I'd advise the OP to check before he buys a new TV
as not all units have it.

Thane
Many now have DVI and HDMI either instead of or in addition to VGA,
and as long as you have or can add DVI or HDMI out on your computer
you can get even higher resolution.
Hardly ANY HDTVs come without HDMI today

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 11:43:33 -0600, Thane wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:14:16 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/1/2015 11:36 AM, Thane wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 05:00:30 -0800, makolber wrote:

If the hdtv has the proper type of input, (vga in your case)
then you should be good to go.
But do check before you buy,, not all tvs have vga input. Mark

Yes, that's right. The RGB connection is the VGA 15 pin connector
similar to that on monitors. I'd advise the OP to check before he buys
a new TV as not all units have it.

Thane


Many computers now have an HDMI output too

Yes, but the OP said he had an old computer.

I was in a similar situation to the OP having an old, cheap machine with
XP which I wanted to retain, but use it with a large screen TV. Finding a
TV with RGB (VGA) input was the fix for me. I also tried changing the OS
on this too, to linux and this worked well too, so my old PC now can run
either with the TV as monitor and wireless keyboard and mouse. The range
is limited to about 6 feet, but it works well.

Thane
Range is easy to fix too. Just buy a Bluetooth keyboard and
mouse..About 35 feet with no problem.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:27:41 -0500, "N. Cognito"
wrote:

On 1/31/2015 3:34 PM, wrote:
My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).


Check out Woot.com (Amazon's refurbished stuff)
I've sold and used a LOT of refurbished "stuff" over the years and
the quality is very spotty at best. I have learned that if it is
readily available on the "refurbished" market (not lease returns) it
is likely best to stear clear of it even in the "first line" market as
there is usually a good reason they need refurbing.
Refurbed hard drives have been the biggest dissapointment. Refurbed
cameras and AV equpment not much better .(including TVs and monitors)
"De-Branded" computer equipment is also very suspect. If HP doesn't
want you to know that monitor used to have the HP name on it, there is
often good reason!!!!

On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 14:29:49 -0500, BenignBodger
wrote:

On 1/31/2015 3:34 PM, wrote:
My old LCD 17" computer monitor died and I'm not stuck using a 13" CRT
monitor, till I get another monitor. Although Ebay has some USED 17"
monitors fairly cheap, I'm thinking that I might just invest in a NEW
monitor. I'm sticking with 17" or maybe a 19". anything larger is too
big for my space.

I noticed that a monitor about that size is darn near the same price as
a HDTV of comparable size, and it seems most of the latest HDTV's have a
15 pin SVGA input. (which is what I use).

I already have a HDTV, but it's in another room, and I dont want to move
either the TV or the Computer. So, it would actually be nice to have
another TV as well as a monitor, and have it all in one, so the HDTV
would actually be preferred.

However, I recall being told that the HDTVs dont have adaquate
resolution to provide a decent image for computers. Yet, the person who
told me that was no expert and that was told to me quite a few years ago
too, which may not be applicable to the newer TVs.

Anyone know about this?

BTW: My computer is just an average computer and has standard built in
video card. It's not a high-end or gaming machine. The monitor that
died was a 17" HP 1740, which had a decent picture.

Thanks


It can certainly be done although I, personally, find that my 42" HDTV
makes a crappy computer display despite operating at 1920X1080 resolution.
The problem is a matter of scale -- the pixels are effectively spread out
over a huge area compared to the identical resolution on the 23" computer
monitor on my desk operating at the same resolution. It is just too
difficult to get in the right position to make use of it. So, while the
HDTV (connected by HDMI) is the only display on my HTPC and is fine for
playing back media, I wouldn't want to sit and compose a long email on it;
most of the time I can hardly locate the mouse pointer on that big slab of
plastic.

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".

On 2/2/2015 12:49 AM, wrote:

snip

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".

You should be able to find a VGA LCD monitor of that size for free on
Freecycle. Or for around $25 on craigslist (I see a load of them on
craigslist in my area for $25-40).

Many newer computers don't have VGA ports and even though there are HDMI
to VGA and Mini Display Port to VGA converters and they cost less than
$10, I think most people just buy a new monitor and sell or give away
the old one.

On 2/2/2015 3:49 AM, wrote:

plastic.

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".


Bigger is not always better. For most uses, a 19" to 23" is quite a lot
on a desktop. The only advantage to a larger screen is not making that
email bigger, but having it in full view of it with a spreadsheet next
to it also in full view. Or larger CAD drawings.

Given the price difference, I'd consider 19" the minimum.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:41:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/2/2015 3:49 AM, wrote:

plastic.

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".


Bigger is not always better. For most uses, a 19" to 23" is quite a lot
on a desktop. The only advantage to a larger screen is not making that
email bigger, but having it in full view of it with a spreadsheet next
to it also in full view. Or larger CAD drawings.

Given the price difference, I'd consider 19" the minimum.
In my opinion a 28 inch monitor is about optimum. At the insurance
office I have many users on 2 19 inchers, one on a 23 and a 19, with
the 19 in "page mode" (standing on it's short side), and a few on 28s.

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:41:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/2/2015 3:49 AM, wrote:

plastic.

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".


Bigger is not always better. For most uses, a 19" to 23" is quite a lot
on a desktop. The only advantage to a larger screen is not making that
email bigger, but having it in full view of it with a spreadsheet next
to it also in full view. Or larger CAD drawings.

Given the price difference, I'd consider 19" the minimum.
In my opinion a 28 inch monitor is about optimum. At the insurance
office I have many users on 2 19 inchers, one on a 23 and a 19, with
the 19 in "page mode" (standing on it's short side), and a few on 28s.

+1

I use a 27", which seems about right. It gives you enough space
to view two documents, side by side. The other factor is enough
heigth to comfortable view full pages. Given the small price difference,
if you have the room, I think it's definitely the way to go.

On 2/3/2015 8:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:41:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/2/2015 3:49 AM, wrote:

plastic.

I wouldn't even consider a tv that big for a monitor. I'd get a stiff
neck from having to keep turning my head to read an email or web page.

I'm looking for a similar size, 17 to 20".


Bigger is not always better. For most uses, a 19" to 23" is quite a lot
on a desktop. The only advantage to a larger screen is not making that
email bigger, but having it in full view of it with a spreadsheet next
to it also in full view. Or larger CAD drawings.

Given the price difference, I'd consider 19" the minimum.
In my opinion a 28 inch monitor is about optimum. At the insurance
office I have many users on 2 19 inchers, one on a 23 and a 19, with
the 19 in "page mode" (standing on it's short side), and a few on 28s.

+1

I use a 27", which seems about right. It gives you enough space
to view two documents, side by side. The other factor is enough
heigth to comfortable view full pages. Given the small price difference,
if you have the room, I think it's definitely the way to go.


I use two identical ViewSonic 23" panels which are, contrary to convention,
stacked vertically because my computer desk is just too small to do
otherwise. It actually functions well -- the top monitor is taken up by the
remote panel for my WHS computer in the basement, a BOINC client, a handful
of useful widgets, and many virtual sticky notes -- things which are pretty
much static most of the time. That leaves the bottom screen for 'work' (or
what passes for it) and since it is at a better angle and doesn't need any
head movement that is comfortable.

Someone had a good idea with 16:10 (8:5) aspect...but it didn't catch on. I don't think anyone makes them now?
16:9 is a media driven ratio, and not the best IMO for a PC.