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"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Tough Guy no. wrote:

Supermarkets should have adequate parking. They should be sited on
large areas of ground. If they don't, they can **** off. I want to
park my car, go shopping, then go home. I will not mess about with
****ing tickets.

Excellent news. Means you'll not be moving to London.


Why would anyone want to from choice?

Because a lot more happens there than anywhere else.

That's one of the main reasons not to go there.

Not for those into what happens more than anywhere else.

Things cause noise.

Most get used to that.

What's wrong with some natural surroundings like trees?

Some find that too boring.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:58:45 +0100, Graham. wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:38:48 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 09/10/2015 21:25, charles wrote:
In article , Tough Guy no. 1265

wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:11:19 +0100, charles

wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 16:39:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
charles wrote:

How do they link your car registration with your payment
card?
Did you give them your card number in the first email?

at the branch I use, the cashier asks for your car number
but
it
doesn't end up on the receipt - but the date & time of
purchase
does.


I don't use shops that have these parking systems.

It's actually less trouble than the close by ASDA, where you
have to
get and display a free ticket from a machine.

They obviously have to control parking in some way, as it's
beside
an extremely busy station, with no car park.

Then the station should build themselves a car park. Why did
the
council approve a station with no car park?

That's rather like asking why Windsor Castle was built so close
to
Heathrow airport.

No it isn't.

Since the station waa built before the age of the motor car - and
Town &
Country planning did not exist - it is very similar

Yes indeed. When I was a lad (1950's) my local suburban commuter
station
(Ewell West) had a couple of dozen car parking spaces, but it was
seldom
more than half full. Most of those commuters who were lucky enough
to
have a car left it at home with the wife.

Women driving? Next thing they'll will be smoking pipes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXzqAC_7Vxg


Blocked.

Nope.

what part of:

"This video contains content from BBC Worldwide, who has blocked it in
your country on copyright grounds"

do you not understand

;-)

Don't get anything like that. And stop that smirking
or you will be sent to your room, again.

Will there be spanking?

Nope, you enjoyed that too much the last time.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:02:56 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:51:23 +0100, tim.....
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 16:45:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
charles wrote:
And the more people that follow your example the quicker they will
drop the scheme as uneconomic.

is it? Our local one has a comparatively small car park where it
was
usually necessary to wait some considerable time to get an parking
space. Often, I just went elsewhere. Now, with a camera monitored
system, a parking space is usually available, implying that many of
the
spaces were being used by non-customers - so I will continue to shop
there. Some people may, on principle stop going there, but others
will
take their place.

Yes. The Lidl car park at Clapham Junction isn't as big as many of
their
others - and before the scheme could be difficult to get a space.

Supermarkets should have adequate parking. They should be sited on
large
areas of ground. If they don't, they can **** off. I want to park my
car, go shopping, then go home. I will not mess about with ****ing
tickets.

and bugger the people who live in town centres and don't have cars then

That's a stupid place to live.

Not necessarily.

Towns are for shops and factories.

It can be quite convenient to live above/behind the shop.

Yes, so you can hear everyone talking all day.

Not when the shop isn't open.

How wonderful.

You don't qualify.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:08:59 +0100, alan_m wrote:

not my findings round here.

Not many knuckle draggers up here either.

The knuckle dragging ****wits that use my local Lidl/Aldi fill the car
parks with their Chelsea tractors and can be heard to say how
down-market the shop is as they pile their trolleys high.

That's the customers of the Waitrose, 400 yds from a Tesco Extra that
has an Aldi next door. Aldi suffers from elderly ditherers.

I've also switched some of the shop to Aldi in the last year, fresh
veg is cheaper than Tesco by 20% ish, is equal in quality and
generally has a better shelf life. Other things have been tried and
some rejected some adopted as one might expect.

Tesco are ****ing me off at them moment by dropping some of the
things that we like but aren't easily available elsewhere. Stock
items varies across stores as well, I was shopping coming home from
work last night about midnight as I was passing within a couple of
miles of a store that does stock things we want that the normal store
doesn't.

Waitrose have an intersting promo at the moment, get a "My Waitrose"
card and you can choose up to 10 items from selected ones to get an
extra 20% discount on those items. That 20% on top of any other
promo/reduction/offer. This does bring some things below Tesco
prices...

Costco, about once/quarter, but they keep dropping things we want as
well. The membership fee was easy to save 10 years ago but it's
getting close now, the other problem is that CostCo is a hundred mile
round trip.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:59:58 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:34:03 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:38:48 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 09/10/2015 21:25, charles wrote:
In article , Tough Guy no. 1265

wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:11:19 +0100, charles

wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 16:39:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
charles wrote:

How do they link your car registration with your payment
card?
Did you give them your card number in the first email?

at the branch I use, the cashier asks for your car number but
it
doesn't end up on the receipt - but the date & time of
purchase
does.


I don't use shops that have these parking systems.

It's actually less trouble than the close by ASDA, where you
have
to
get and display a free ticket from a machine.

They obviously have to control parking in some way, as it's
beside
an extremely busy station, with no car park.

Then the station should build themselves a car park. Why did the
council approve a station with no car park?

That's rather like asking why Windsor Castle was built so close to
Heathrow airport.

No it isn't.

Since the station waa built before the age of the motor car - and
Town
&
Country planning did not exist - it is very similar

Yes indeed. When I was a lad (1950's) my local suburban commuter
station
(Ewell West) had a couple of dozen car parking spaces, but it was
seldom
more than half full. Most of those commuters who were lucky enough to
have a car left it at home with the wife.

All these problems are solved by not living so close to each other. I
don't have parking problems in Scotland.

But you do have a hell of a problem getting
and keeping a well paid job or even one
that you would be happy to do for free.

No more than I would in London.

Much more than you would in London in fact.

Statistics show otherwise.

Like hell they do.

And in London you need a much better paid job as the house prices are
stupid.

And there are far more of those there than where you are now.

Why get paid more just to pay more?

Because it beats being on benefits.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:01:45 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:30:54 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:25:52 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265

wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:11:19 +0100, charles

wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 16:39:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
charles wrote:

How do they link your car registration with your payment
card?
Did you give them your card number in the first email?

at the branch I use, the cashier asks for your car number
but
it
doesn't end up on the receipt - but the date & time of
purchase
does.


I don't use shops that have these parking systems.

It's actually less trouble than the close by ASDA, where you
have
to
get and display a free ticket from a machine.

They obviously have to control parking in some way, as it's
beside
an extremely busy station, with no car park.

Then the station should build themselves a car park. Why did the
council approve a station with no car park?

That's rather like asking why Windsor Castle was built so close to
Heathrow airport.

No it isn't.

Since the station waa built before the age of the motor car - and
Town
&
Country planning did not exist - it is very similar

And everything nearby is equally old is it?

Irrelevant.

See below.

Useless.

When a building is knocked down, a car park should be made if there
aren't enough already.

Pity about who owns that building and the land
its on and why the knocked the building down
and what they replaced it with.

The council is in control of what is allowed to be built where.

But has to pay for what they take over
to turn into a carpark for the local station.

That's their job.

But they aren't necessarily allowed to do that.

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bob Minchin
writes
Rod, it is possible that they may have different stocking policies in
your part of the world. Initially I used to go in for their
promotional items - tools etc and then tried a few food items and
liked them and it grew from there. I still can't just write out my
shopping list and expect to get everything in ALDI but in UK they and
several other supermarkets supply their prices to www.mysupermarket.com
And so I can see exactly who sells what and for how much as well as
the special offers. So far LIDL have refused to play ball with the
website but ALDI, ASDA, Tesco, sainsburys, morrisons waitrose and
ocado show their wares.

Bob, I don't shop and had not come across the *mysupermarket* site.
Warburtons seeded loaf are an issue with my shopper as they are not
always in stock.

Does that site do an *availability* service. I had a poke round and gave
it my post code but could not find an *in stock* feature.

If you are a seeded loaf fan try the Bergen range £1/800gm in ASDA. They
have about three different seed mixes. We like the sunflower and chia
variant. They tend to have the seeds in the bread rather than a feeble
attempt to glue them on the outer surface.

Sometimes items are marked as out of stock on mysupermarket but I think
that is more when there is a supply issue and the warehouses have no stock.
Not aware of a store by store stock indicator in the same way as Argos,
B&Q, toolsatan screwfix etc present their stock positions.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:08:59 +0100, alan_m wrote:

Costco, about once/quarter, but they keep dropping things we want as
well. The membership fee was easy to save 10 years ago but it's
getting close now, the other problem is that CostCo is a hundred mile
round trip.

Indeed. Our 'local' Costco is a fifty mile round trip, and again,
probably four times a year. I've just renewed the subscription, and am
not convinced it is worthwhile. Having said that, Wifey had a free eye
test there, and bought specs for far less than high street prices, so
perhaps that alone makes it worthwhile for another year.
--
Graeme

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:42:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details. Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

*I* can't, but the authorities can.

Tell me what my care number plate is.

Ditto.

Tell me what the last transaction on my card was.

Ditto.

MM (not side valve)

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:22:12 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

Tell me what my care number plate is.


You have a care number?

He certainly needs one!

MM

In message , Bob Minchin
writes

Bob, I don't shop and had not come across the *mysupermarket* site.
Warburtons seeded loaf are an issue with my shopper as they are not
always in stock.

Does that site do an *availability* service. I had a poke round and gave
it my post code but could not find an *in stock* feature.

If you are a seeded loaf fan try the Bergen range £1/800gm in ASDA.
They have about three different seed mixes. We like the sunflower and
chia variant. They tend to have the seeds in the bread rather than a
feeble attempt to glue them on the outer surface.

Sometimes items are marked as out of stock on mysupermarket but I think
that is more when there is a supply issue and the warehouses have no
stock.
Not aware of a store by store stock indicator in the same way as Argos,
B&Q, toolsatan screwfix etc present their stock positions.

OK Bob. Worth a try:-)

Seeded loaf is a compromise. Shopper lady is trying to get me to diet:-(
Brown bread is totally inedible in my view. Seeded batch has large
slices, freezes well and is sweet enough for my palate.

Current master plan is to encourage over-buying so that there are spares
in the freezer:-)

--
Tim Lamb

News wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote
alan_m wrote

Costco, about once/quarter, but they keep dropping
things we want as well. The membership fee was easy
to save 10 years ago but it's getting close now, the other
problem is that CostCo is a hundred mileround trip.

Indeed. Our 'local' Costco is a fifty mile round trip,

Mine is a 500 mile round trip.

and again, probably four times a year.

I don't do it at all.

I've just renewed the subscription,
and am not convinced it is worthwhile.

Yeah, it wouldn't be for me, so I haven't bothered.

Having said that, Wifey had a free eye test there, and
bought specs for far less than high street prices, so
perhaps that alone makes it worthwhile for another year.

Not here it doesn't. Our eye tests are covered by our equivalent of
the NHS and they have to give you the prescription if you ask for it
and I just order them online from Zenni Optical usually.

MM wrote
Rod Speed wrote
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On
that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not that
I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

*I* can't, but the authorities can.

Not with some of mine they can't. And we weren't discussing
what the authoritys can discover there anyway.

Tell me what my car number plate is.

Ditto.

We weren't discussing what the authoritys can discover there.

Tell me what the last transaction on my card was.

Ditto.

We weren't discussing what the authoritys can discover there.

MM (not side valve)

A likely story.

"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:22:12 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On
that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

Tell me what my care number plate is.


You have a care number?

He certainly needs one!

Somehow I don't believe you're a very nice person.

On 11/10/2015 08:22, MM wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:22:12 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

Tell me what my care number plate is.


You have a care number?

He certainly needs one!

MM

On 11/10/2015 09:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"MM" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:22:12 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the
checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them.
On that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

Tell me what my care number plate is.


You have a care number?

He certainly needs one!

Somehow I don't believe you're a very nice person.



He is a sad little man.

On 11/10/2015 10:21, The Todal wrote:
On 11/10/2015 08:22, MM wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:22:12 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
MM wrote
Chris wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the
checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them.
On that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic
so they could check with the store easily that I'd used the
store on the date and time in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove
I made a purchase. They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

How do they link your car registration with your payment card?

Nowadays, EVERYthing's linked, EVERYthing's discoverable.

Nope. Tell me what my mobile phone number is.

Tell me what my care number plate is.


You have a care number?

He certainly needs one!

MM


Could he not share yours? ;-)

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On
that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic so they
could
check with the store easily that I'd used the store on the date and
time
in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove I made a
purchase.
They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves. Be interesting to see what
happens
next.

I'm not being horrible, but it seems to me that most of these parking
problems happen in the south.
We have never ever had problems parking in supermarket car parks in the
north.
Even if we won £40M we would never move to the south.
See, I've not been horrible.

We?

Is there more than one of you?

There is a Mrs Pounder Esquire.

No Mrs is ever an esquire, you illiterate clown.

You are only the third person to fall for the Esquire gag.
This once more confirms that you are a stupid Australian ****.
Well done.

In article ,
Richard wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
complain about poor PT without ever using it.

Why should I?

You shouldn't. You'd be best to stay indoors.

--
*The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Some 9 million?


You don't really think they want to live there do you?

In my case, yes. But I do only tend to speak for myself, not others.

It has to be experienced on an occasional basis to really see and smell
how bad it is.

You'd obviously prefer the smell of pigs.

Transport is messed up,

That certainly says you're not speaking from experience.


no parking, even if you can reach your destination.

Which is why you use the very good PT for those sort of journeys.

The people are very unappealing, I suspect because they are so unhappy.

Not sure I'd take your views on who is and isn't unappealing as
relevant. ;-)

Housing is unobtainable for the average wage individual.

As it is in just about every UK city.


It's a mess.

Stay at home, then.

--
*When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Richard wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
Richard wrote:
But why did he not drive to work?

Because there were no ****ing parking spaces there either.

But surely, since you obviously have lost the use of your legs, they'd
give you a disabled space?

Where did you get the idea that I was the hypothetical driver?
Do keep up, dearie.

Right. So the lack of parking merely hearsay. Figures.

Because you and Adrian snip relevant parts of the dialogue, context
gets lost. Try to follow things. The whole bit from just before you
asked "And the wife drove in those days?" was not about a specific
individual.


Remember Adrian doesn't do reading very well. Maybe Dave is
similarly challenged!

The parrot person never snips anything. Neither does Wodney. Think on.

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In article ,
Richard wrote:
But why did he not drive to work?

Because there were no ****ing parking spaces there either.

But surely, since you obviously have lost the use of your legs, they'd
give you a disabled space?

Where did you get the idea that I was the hypothetical driver?
Do keep up, dearie.

Right. So the lack of parking merely hearsay. Figures.

Because you and Adrian snip relevant parts of the dialogue, context gets
lost. Try to follow things. The whole bit from just before you asked
"And the wife drove in those days?" was not about a specific individual.

If you feel a relevant part has been snipped you can easily put it back in
your reply.

But of course that would require some thought and effort. Much easier to
simply quote everything.

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In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:26:33 +0100, Capitol wrote:

The traffic was still buggered up in the 50s.

London traffic was buggered up several centuries before the 1950s.

The London smogs were appalling.

And, before them, the piles of horse**** in the streets were a health
hazard.

Cam someone please tell me about any UK city where you can park anywhere
and traffic flows easily?

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The Lidl branch I most use is at Clapham Junction. They have number
recognition cameras, and ask you for your car number at the checkout.
Which then gives you up to 90 minutes free parking.

Had a demand for a fine from the company that runs it for them. On
that
occasion, the till person obviously forgot to ask me for my details.
Not
that I noticed at the time. And they could have changed the system
anyway.

Emailed the car park company and said I'd paid by plastic so they
could
check with the store easily that I'd used the store on the date and
time
in question.

Some time later, I've had an email asking me to prove I made a
purchase.
They want a copy of the till receipt.

As it happens I do still have it - as I bought something with a
warranty.
But had it been just groceries, would have been junked the same day.

So I've told them to check themselves. Be interesting to see what
happens
next.

I'm not being horrible, but it seems to me that most of these parking
problems happen in the south.
We have never ever had problems parking in supermarket car parks in
the north.
Even if we won £40M we would never move to the south.
See, I've not been horrible.

We?

Is there more than one of you?

There is a Mrs Pounder Esquire.

shouldn't it be Mrs Pounder Madam

Nope. There is no equivalent for a woman
and only an illiterate clown ever has both
Mr and Esq on the address at the same time.
it's one or the other, not both.

I know

I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that point in order to make my own
:-(

tim

In article ,
Chris wrote:
On 10/10/2015 16:31, michael adams wrote:

In this case the OP is in the right, he shopped at Lidl and
didn't exceed the limit. And there's proof of this as he paid
by credit card and his car was filmed by the CCTV both
in and out. So he doesn't need to do anything or explain
himself in any way. As it happens he helpfully explained to
them that he'd paid by CC, which is more than I'd have done.


michael adams

As I posted further up the thread, I'm not sure how this proves that the
OP made a purchase at the relevant time unless

(a) his bank provided the name and address associated with his card to
Lidl and they passed them to the parking enforcers who obtained those
associated with his car registration from the DVLA and matched the two up

or

(b) he told the parking enforcers his card number and they got Lidl to
confirm from their records that he made a purchase at the relevant time.

They have my name (obviously) and the time and date. Both appear on my
till receipt. All that's needed is look up the branch records
corresponding to those. After all they will likely have logged what was
bought for marketing purposes. Do you really thing they can't do something
as simple as this? After all, it's hardly going to be the first time it
was needed.

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:14:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Cam someone please tell me about any UK city where you can park anywhere
and traffic flows easily?

St David's? St Asaph?

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Fredxxx wrote
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Graham. wrote

Even if I successfully appeal the parking charge or Road Traffic Act
offence, the admin charge still stands

If you successfully appeal the parking charge then you should
counterclaim against them for the admin charge. It's a loss wholly
due to their pursuing an unenforceable claim against you.

That was my thought initially, but this is really defamation and its
consequences.

No its not, any more than receiving a speed camera fine is.
They can't even demand that you tell them who was driving the car in
the Lidl car park situation.

they no longer need to

in the absence of proof that someone else was driving, the owner (keeper)
is now liable for "fines".

Nope, they aren't legally liable with a private car park.

when will you stop commenting upon a legal system that you obviously have no
knowledge of?

But,

In as far as the penalty has been legally enforced, in the absence of
information as to who was actually driving, the keeper is liable.

I accept that there is no automatic assumption that the penalty was legally
enforced, but ISTM that was assumed at this point

tim

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There's plenty online, especially in local groups, of people who've
ignored these demands and simply thrown them away without any
consequences at all.

Dangerous advice, post Beavis. *Probably* what would happen. But the
courts have allowed it now.

As it happens I wasn't advising the OP to do anything. I was simply
making
an observation.

Any advice on offer would have been in the webpage to which I left a
link


http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c...going-far.html


As to Beavis I'm not aware of any judgement being made,
and in any case with Beavis, there is no disagreement as
to fact.

Beavis has been found in favour of the parking company at the appeal
court, as such is precedence creating and applies everywhere (in England)

The Supreme count have heard Beavis' (2nd) appeal and the world is
awaiting their response.

That's what I just said, above.

no you didn't

you said:

"As to Beavis I'm not aware of any judgement being made"

tim

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
As I posted further up the thread, I'm not sure how this proves that the OP made a
purchase at the relevant time unless

Unless nothing.

The CC transaction will give the location and exact time and date.

Even the till receipt has my name on it.

You can't really get a much better standard of proof than that.

Quite.

The fact that the claimant may have to jump through hoops to
satisfy themselves that the OP is speaking the truth as he
claims, or in the end find themselves unable to do so, is
entirely their problem. Not his.

My feeling exactly. And although I could easily enough provide a copy of
the receipt in this instance, I wouldn't be able to if it was simply
groceries, as I don't keep those. And it would be a very odd shopper who
did.

Its not for the OP to jump through hoops to prove anything.
Not even to answer letters or emails.

It's up to the company to either swallow it, or take him to
Court and when judgement goes against them, at a bare minumum
pay him his costs when he produces the CC evidence as supplied
by his CC provider which proves he was speaking the truth.

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There's plenty online, especially in local groups, of people who've
ignored these demands and simply thrown them away without any
consequences at all.

Dangerous advice, post Beavis. *Probably* what would happen. But the
courts have allowed it now.

As it happens I wasn't advising the OP to do anything. I was simply
making
an observation.

Any advice on offer would have been in the webpage to which I left a
link


http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c...going-far.html


As to Beavis I'm not aware of any judgement being made,
and in any case with Beavis, there is no disagreement as
to fact.

Beavis has been found in favour of the parking company at the appeal
court, as such is precedence creating and applies everywhere (in England)

The Supreme count have heard Beavis' (2nd) appeal and the world is
awaiting their response.

That's what I just said, above.


(After that there's nowhere else to go - this isn't a subject likely to
get a very positive response for a hearing at the European court)

tim

Unlike in this case, AFAIUI Beavis is appealing simply on the grounds
that it's "unfair"; on a matter of principle, not on matters of fact.
And as such I'm rather surprised that he's got this far.

The principle being that the fine does not conform to the assumption that it
must be a reasonable estimate of actual loss.

The case is arguable (if you have unlimited pockets)

tim

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
Bob, I don't shop and had not come across the *mysupermarket* site.
Warburtons seeded loaf are an issue with my shopper as they are not
always in stock.

Tesco do a very nice seeded loaf. My favourite.

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
It wouldn't occur to you that if there wasn't
room for a carpark at station in London,

We were discussing the situation where the
station car park was rarely more than half full.

And I was discussing one where there never was a car park. ;-)

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On 10/10/2015 16:31, michael adams wrote:

In this case the OP is in the right, he shopped at Lidl and
didn't exceed the limit. And there's proof of this as he paid
by credit card and his car was filmed by the CCTV both
in and out. So he doesn't need to do anything or explain
himself in any way. As it happens he helpfully explained to
them that he'd paid by CC, which is more than I'd have done.


michael adams

As I posted further up the thread, I'm not sure how this proves that the
OP made a purchase at the relevant time unless

Unless nothing.

The CC transaction will give the location and exact time and date.

You can't really get a much better standard of proof than that.

The fact that the claimant may have to jump through hoops to
satisfy themselves that the OP is speaking the truth as he
claims, or in the end find themselves unable to do so, is
entirely their problem. Not his.

I don't agree

the offence is one of "forgetting to enter his details at the time"

as such it IS the OP's job to prove that they were otherwise entitled to
free parking, It is this mistake which has caused the company the
inconvenience of establishing this, so it is HIS task to prove it.

tim

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We?

Is there more than one of you?

There is a Mrs Pounder Esquire.

Do you have bigger tits than her?

Of course.
I hear that your latest gf has two backs.


When did you start reading Shakespeare?


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In article ,
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Not for those into what happens more than anywhere else.

Things cause noise. What's wrong with some natural surroundings like
trees?

They have parrots in them round here. Nasty things which make a lot of
noise. And a particularly unpleasant one.

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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:02:31 +0100, DJC wrote:

I can't remember if the recording system failed or it was a
software
error - but it recorded here as being there all day

Or bad programming. Counting only the first in and the last out.

The cynic says good programming. The notices take a while to arrive,
the dozy won't be able to remember what they did on that day and just
pay up...

Yes - it took quite some time for the first letter to arrive.

As it happened I'd used the same Lidl later, and realised they'd not
stopped the till person having to log your car number. So was half
expecting it.

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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
I've also switched some of the shop to Aldi in the last year, fresh
veg is cheaper than Tesco by 20% ish, is equal in quality and
generally has a better shelf life. Other things have been tried and
some rejected some adopted as one might expect.

Interesting. We don't have an Aldi close enough yet - although one is due
to open shortly.

Lidl salad and fruit isn't as good as Tesco. Not really sure about price
as I tend to buy that sort of thing on quality.

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On 10/10/2015 04:46, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxxx wrote
wrote
Graham. wrote

Even if I successfully appeal the parking charge or Road Traffic Act
offence, the admin charge still stands

If you successfully appeal the parking charge then you should
counterclaim against them for the admin charge. It's a loss wholly
due to their pursuing an unenforceable claim against you.

That was my thought initially, but this is really defamation and its
consequences.

No its not, any more than receiving a speed camera fine is.

It's very different. Fines can only be administered in a magistrates
court. Parking charges are a purely civil matter. Penalties cannot be
pursued through the civil courts. Charges can, and as such charges must
be reasonable under various statute laws.

They can't even demand that you tell them who was driving the car in
the Lidl car park situation.

You don't seem to understand that the law changed a couple of years ago,
where the registered keeper is responsible for providing the name of the
driver or pay the charge themselves.

From a parking charge company perspective, it doesn't matter who drove
the car, but who its registered to.


Aren't we therefore talking of High Court action?

Nope, just ignore anything they send you and see them realise that their
bluff has been called and give up.

In message , Bob Minchin
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bob Minchin
writes
Rod, it is possible that they may have different stocking policies in
your part of the world. Initially I used to go in for their
promotional items - tools etc and then tried a few food items and
liked them and it grew from there. I still can't just write out my
shopping list and expect to get everything in ALDI but in UK they and
several other supermarkets supply their prices to www.mysupermarket.com
And so I can see exactly who sells what and for how much as well as
the special offers. So far LIDL have refused to play ball with the
website but ALDI, ASDA, Tesco, sainsburys, morrisons waitrose and
ocado show their wares.

Bob, I don't shop and had not come across the *mysupermarket* site.
Warburtons seeded loaf are an issue with my shopper as they are not
always in stock.

Does that site do an *availability* service. I had a poke round and gave
it my post code but could not find an *in stock* feature.

If you are a seeded loaf fan try the Bergen range £1/800gm in ASDA.
They have about three different seed mixes. We like the sunflower and
chia variant. They tend to have the seeds in the bread rather than a
feeble attempt to glue them on the outer surface.

Sometimes items are marked as out of stock on mysupermarket but I think
that is more when there is a supply issue and the warehouses have no
stock.
Not aware of a store by store stock indicator in the same way as Argos,
B&Q, toolsatan screwfix etc present their stock positions.

No, and the supermarkets don't present that info on their shopping sites
either - though sometimes out of stock if they have none and know they
won't I guess (which is where I presume mysupermarket pull their data
from).

1 it would be meaningless in terms of online shopping - unless they had
some system of reserving stock - someone else might have bought it.

2. cue people turning up and saying 'it said it was in stock on the
website blah blah blah' when they have sold out in the hour since the
person looked.

A bit different for Ocado, of course cos they operate out of a warehouse
and can easier better stock control and allocation.
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On 10/10/2015 04:46, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxxx wrote
wrote
Graham. wrote

Even if I successfully appeal the parking charge or Road Traffic Act
offence, the admin charge still stands

If you successfully appeal the parking charge then you should
counterclaim against them for the admin charge. It's a loss wholly
due to their pursuing an unenforceable claim against you.

That was my thought initially, but this is really defamation and its
consequences.

No its not, any more than receiving a speed camera fine is.
They can't even demand that you tell them who was driving the car in
the Lidl car park situation.
Aren't we therefore talking of High Court action?

Nope, just ignore anything they send you and see them realise that their
bluff has been called and give up.

We were talking of defamation, where Graham (I think) would suffer a £20
admin charge from the lease company, even if the PCN was issued incorrectly.

Since the £20 is a contractual obligation between Graham's company and
the lease company, he cannot bluff anyone or expect the lease company to
give up.