"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim....." wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Fredxxx wrote
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Graham. wrote

Even if I successfully appeal the parking charge or Road Traffic Act
offence, the admin charge still stands

If you successfully appeal the parking charge then you should
counterclaim against them for the admin charge. It's a loss wholly
due to their pursuing an unenforceable claim against you.

That was my thought initially, but this is really defamation and its
consequences.

No its not, any more than receiving a speed camera fine is.
They can't even demand that you tell them who was driving the car in
the Lidl car park situation.

they no longer need to

in the absence of proof that someone else was driving, the owner (keeper)
is now liable for "fines".

Nope, they aren't legally liable with a private car park.

when will you stop commenting upon a legal system that you obviously have no
knowledge of?

But,

In as far as the penalty has been legally enforced, in the absence of
information as to who was actually driving, the keeper is liable.

I accept that there is no automatic assumption that the penalty was legally
enforced, but ISTM that was assumed at this point

tim