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Is there a modern alternative to Araldite?
I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and
I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? |
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Steve wrote:
I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? epoxy adhesive comes in a huge range of formulations depending ion what you want to bond, and whet conditions you are exposing the subsequent joint to. Araldite is probably the worst of all possible formulations. or was. I use 'model shop' epoxies. Mainly 5 minute stuff and stove it in the Aga at about 100C for best results. |
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes Araldite is probably the worst of all possible formulations. or was. When I wanted to get into boat building and not become too sensitised to epoxy, I contacted a few people to find out where to buy industrial quantities of quantities of resin. Almost everyone pointed me to the makers of Araldite as being one of only a handful, if that, of actual manufacturers of the stuff. I made contact and Ciba-Geigy (I think it was) pointed me towards an appropriate "manufacturer" of a suitable formulation who used their resins. I don't think epoxy is perfect, and the effect of UV light is a real problem, but I haven't actually found anything better. My biggest complaint with all chemicals, paints etc., is that it is so difficult to find out what is actually in things, what is compatible and what possible side effects and long term deterioration to expect. What I need is a much better memory and simpler, more clear data. I'm still looking for polyurethane glue that someone here suggested for a particular task. Homebase had lots of things with fancy names, but not many tubes said what they actually were. -- Bill |
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On Jan 16, 6:28*pm, Steve wrote:
I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. *I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Epoxy is still the king of glues. There are certainly better suited glues for a fair few apps though, http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Glue plus some more industrial types such as PVB, melamine etc. There's also a wide range of epoxies and additives available, check out the range of west systems products. NT |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? I've recently discovered BondLoc - having watched a bedroom fitter use it for sticking plinths on bedroom furniture. It comes in two containers - an aerosol containing an activator, and a small bottle with a nozzle (bit like super glue) containing the adhesive. You spray one surface with the activator and let it dry (almost instant), spread adhesive from the nozzle on the other surface - and then press them together. You've got a rock solid bond in about 10 seconds. It wouldn't work if you had gaps to fill, or in cases where you couldn't position the items accurately first time - but for things like plinths, it's great (as long as you don't want to take them off again!). Like all things, it's horses for courses - and Araldite still has its uses - but for sticking things where gaps need to be filled, I tend to use Gripfill, since I can apply it with a sealant gun and it doesn't need mixing. On a slightly different subject, I've also recently discovered pocket hole jigs - for drilling pocket holes which allow boards to be screwed together in corner joints or side by side, with no screws showing on the outside. Apologies if this is old hat to some of you. [In case you don't know what I'm on about, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_hole describes pocket holes, and http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...s-worktop-jigs shows an example of a jig for creating them.] -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Depends on what you are attaching and the speed of cure needed. e.g. One epoxy I find quite remarkable is JB Weld. I have used this a multitude of hard to do repairs of the years after 1st having it recommended to me to fix a crack on the cast iron engine crankcase of our Citroen diesel. The oil pressure sensor mounting split. I was fitting a secondary oil filter at the time and was screwing in the tapered oil feed take-off and pressure sensor fitting when at the last tighten I heard a crack. Starting the engine later resulted in an quite serious oil leak. Examination revealed the crankcase boss split because the casting oilway had been drilled off-centre and the casing had cracked on the thinnest side :-( Anyway short answer was two liberal coatings of JB weld, the 2nd around a supporting jubilee clip and suffice to say the repair - subjected to vibration, hot oil at pressure, road spray etc lasted 5 years until the car was sold. We have since used it on fuel tank repairs, difficult plastics such a toolbox clasps, model helicopters etc. Its only downside we have found is the 24hr cure time to ensure a good bond and the fact it can sag unless rotated / repositioned during initial setting. I gather there is a fast cure 5 min version but we have never used that. Araldite for us never sort of 'set hard' and although well mixed never seems to cure as 'hard' as JB Weld. Of course there are the Araldite metalised epoxies but again we find them a little down on performance when it comes to a difficult repair so tend to get used for non critical repairs. To be honest some of the Poundland epoxies give a bond as good as the 3 to 4 times the price Araldite product. |
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On 16 Jan, 18:28, Steve wrote:
Are there better adhesives out there these days? Better epoxies. They've been around as long as Araldite, just not so obvious in retail packs. Get a 16 quid West System small pack (search this newsgroup last week) from Axminster, and some of their fillers too. I use about one of these a year. Also search online for advice on filling it. A thin epoxy works better and is stronger than Araldite, and you can thicken it appropriately as needed. Then there's UV-cure glue, which is coming up fast. Two grand's worth of curing light is now down to 80 quid (search eBay under dentistry) and the stuff is both strong and practically instant. Great for glass. |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:13:17 -0000, "Roger Mills"
wrote: I've recently discovered BondLoc - having watched a bedroom fitter use it for sticking plinths on bedroom furniture. It comes in two containers - an aerosol containing an activator, and a small bottle with a nozzle (bit like super glue) containing the adhesive. You spray one surface with the activator and let it dry (almost instant), spread adhesive from the nozzle on the other surface - and then press them together. You've got a rock solid bond in about 10 seconds. That sounds like the stuff DG fitters used when they installed my windows the other day |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Usenet Nutter wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:13:17 -0000, "Roger Mills" wrote: I've recently discovered BondLoc - having watched a bedroom fitter use it for sticking plinths on bedroom furniture. It comes in two containers - an aerosol containing an activator, and a small bottle with a nozzle (bit like super glue) containing the adhesive. You spray one surface with the activator and let it dry (almost instant), spread adhesive from the nozzle on the other surface - and then press them together. You've got a rock solid bond in about 10 seconds. That sounds like the stuff DG fitters used when they installed my windows the other day What did it look like? This is what I bought: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Adhe.../sd2340/p47409 -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:15:33 -0000, "Roger Mills"
wrote: In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Usenet Nutter wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:13:17 -0000, "Roger Mills" wrote: I've recently discovered BondLoc - having watched a bedroom fitter use it for sticking plinths on bedroom furniture. It comes in two containers - an aerosol containing an activator, and a small bottle with a nozzle (bit like super glue) containing the adhesive. You spray one surface with the activator and let it dry (almost instant), spread adhesive from the nozzle on the other surface - and then press them together. You've got a rock solid bond in about 10 seconds. That sounds like the stuff DG fitters used when they installed my windows the other day What did it look like? This is what I bought: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Adhe.../sd2340/p47409 I didn't get a close look at it Roger and I'm not sure what they actually used it for ...at first I thought they were just using Super Glue because of the type of bottle but then heard one asking for the spray and saw him using the spray then the "glue" I see that stuff can be used on PCV-u or (UPVC if you prefer) . |
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Gio wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Depends on what you are attaching and the speed of cure needed. e.g. One epoxy I find quite remarkable is JB Weld. That's polyester, not epoxy. |
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Steve wrote:
I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? There are some situations where epoxy is not the easiest or most suitable. Where some gap-filling is needed, where large amounts of adhesive will have a tendency to flow away from where it's wanted, and where some strength reduction is acceptable, the polyurethane in a cartridge is very useful, e.g. Selleys Liquid Nails. I was sceptical at first, but now I'm frequently finding uses for it. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Gio wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Depends on what you are attaching and the speed of cure needed. e.g. One epoxy I find quite remarkable is JB Weld. That's polyester, not epoxy. Not according to the manufacturers web site data sheet. http://jbweld.net/techinfo/JB%20Weld...ight-48009.pdf |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Gio wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Depends on what you are attaching and the speed of cure needed. e.g. One epoxy I find quite remarkable is JB Weld. That's polyester, not epoxy. Not according to the manufacturers web site data sheet. http://jbweld.net/techinfo/JB%20Weld...ight-48009.pdf |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Gio wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Depends on what you are attaching and the speed of cure needed. e.g. One epoxy I find quite remarkable is JB Weld. That's polyester, not epoxy. Not according to the manufacturers web site data sheet. http://jbweld.net/techinfo/JB%20Weld...ight-48009.pdf |
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Bill wrote:
I'm still looking for polyurethane glue that someone here suggested for a particular task. Homebase had lots of things with fancy names, but not many tubes said what they actually were. Titebond from Axminster? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? There are some situations where epoxy is not the easiest or most suitable. Where some gap-filling is needed, where large amounts of adhesive will have a tendency to flow away from where it's wanted, and where some strength reduction is acceptable, the polyurethane in a cartridge is very useful, e.g. Selleys Liquid Nails. I was sceptical at first, but now I'm frequently finding uses for it. for a quick'n'dirtyy bodge nothing beats hot glue in a gun sticks almost anything to anything (fairly strongly) quite gap filling and very very fast. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Gib Bogle wrote: Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? There are some situations where epoxy is not the easiest or most suitable. Where some gap-filling is needed, where large amounts of adhesive will have a tendency to flow away from where it's wanted, and where some strength reduction is acceptable, the polyurethane in a cartridge is very useful, e.g. Selleys Liquid Nails. I was sceptical at first, but now I'm frequently finding uses for it. for a quick'n'dirtyy bodge nothing beats hot glue in a gun sticks almost anything to anything (fairly strongly) quite gap filling and very very fast. Doesn't give you much time to position anything, so can only be used to spot fix. The super glue? mentioned earlier has the benefit of curing instantly, but only after a whiff of the activator, which appears to be a gas of some kind because it doesn't have to physically touch the glue. It allows DG installers to fix long lengths of floppy trims in stages i.e. they can get the bottom bit fixed, then work their way upwards |
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Stuart Noble wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Gib Bogle wrote: Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? There are some situations where epoxy is not the easiest or most suitable. Where some gap-filling is needed, where large amounts of adhesive will have a tendency to flow away from where it's wanted, and where some strength reduction is acceptable, the polyurethane in a cartridge is very useful, e.g. Selleys Liquid Nails. I was sceptical at first, but now I'm frequently finding uses for it. for a quick'n'dirtyy bodge nothing beats hot glue in a gun sticks almost anything to anything (fairly strongly) quite gap filling and very very fast. Doesn't give you much time to position anything, so can only be used to spot fix. 10-15 seconds really. The modern 'glue pot' The super glue? mentioned earlier has the benefit of curing instantly, but only after a whiff of the activator, which appears to be a gas of some kind because it doesn't have to physically touch the glue. It allows DG installers to fix long lengths of floppy trims in stages i.e. they can get the bottom bit fixed, then work their way upwards |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Bill wrote: I'm still looking for polyurethane glue that someone here suggested for a particular task. Homebase had lots of things with fancy names, but not many tubes said what they actually were. Titebond from Axminster? Or Gorilla glue. Or anything referred to as PUR... |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:13:46 -0800 (PST)
Andy Dingley wrote: On 16 Jan, 18:28, Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Better epoxies. They've been around as long as Araldite, just not so obvious in retail packs. Get a 16 quid West System small pack (search this newsgroup last week) from Axminster, and some of their fillers too. I use about one of these a year. Also search online for advice on filling it. A thin epoxy works better and is stronger than Araldite, and you can thicken it appropriately as needed. Then there's UV-cure glue, which is coming up fast. Two grand's worth of curing light is now down to 80 quid (search eBay under dentistry) and the stuff is both strong and practically instant. Great for glass. That's why my last filling tasted of fish for three days! |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:28:02 +0000, Steve wrote:
I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. Has the formula changed over the years (possibly as various chemicals / substances have fallen foul of various laws)? I remember it being pretty good when I was a kid, but when I used some a few years ago (mixing carefully according to directions) it didn't seem nearly as strong. Maybe it was just the things I happened to be gluing, but it seemed consistently weak on all of them. (I'm not sure it even exists on this side of the Atlantic) cheers Jules |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:09:44 -0600, Jules wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:28:02 +0000, Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. Has the formula changed over the years (possibly as various chemicals / substances have fallen foul of various laws)? I remember it being pretty good when I was a kid, but when I used some a few years ago (mixing carefully according to directions) it didn't seem nearly as strong. Maybe it was just the things I happened to be gluing, but it seemed consistently weak on all of them. The make-or-break :-) factor with pretty much all adhesives is the state of the surfaces you're bonding. Apart from some being reet-boogers to glue (such as polythene etc.) they are very sensitive to grease and other crud, even in microscopic amounts, on the mating surfaces. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Araldite Rapid. |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On 16 Jan, 18:28, Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Better epoxies. They've been around as long as Araldite, just not so obvious in retail packs. Get a 16 quid West System small pack (search this newsgroup last week) from Axminster, and some of their fillers too. I use about one of these a year. Also search online for advice on filling it. A thin epoxy works better and is stronger than Araldite, and you can thicken it appropriately as needed. Then there's UV-cure glue, which is coming up fast. Two grand's worth of curing light is now down to 80 quid (search eBay under dentistry) and the stuff is both strong and practically instant. Great for glass. West System have recently added Six10 in a 190ml cartridge ... this is West System world famous epoxy, with stiffeners already included in a self mixing cartridge. |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:19:44 -0000, "Rick Hughes"
wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? Araldite Rapid. LOL! I agree. I have used Araldite for 40 years, and still use it. For those purposes where you need a faster cure, there's Rapid. |
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Steve wrote:
Are there better adhesives out there these days? Off topic, but a filling fell out (big hole, right at the back), went to the dentist expecting injections, drilling, etching and all the rest. However, my previous dentist has retired and a new dolly dentist saw to me. She told her assistant to mix a big ball of something, bunged it in the hole, shaped it with her fingers and said "OK, that's it". Two minutes! Does anybody know what it is? Another Dave |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:16:30 +0000, Another Dave
wrote: Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Off topic, but a filling fell out (big hole, right at the back), went to the dentist expecting injections, drilling, etching and all the rest. However, my previous dentist has retired and a new dolly dentist saw to me. She told her assistant to mix a big ball of something, bunged it in the hole, shaped it with her fingers and said "OK, that's it". Two minutes! Does anybody know what it is? Car body filler. -- Frank Erskine |
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Another Dave wrote:
Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Off topic, but a filling fell out (big hole, right at the back), went to the dentist expecting injections, drilling, etching and all the rest. However, my previous dentist has retired and a new dolly dentist saw to me. She told her assistant to mix a big ball of something, bunged it in the hole, shaped it with her fingers and said "OK, that's it". Two minutes! Does anybody know what it is? On a similar subject, anyone know how grab adhesives work? Some of the newer ones like 'Serious Stuff' etc are simply incredible. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 17 Jan, 20:26, "The Medway Handyman" davidl...@no-spam-
blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On a similar subject, anyone know how grab adhesives work? *Some of the newer ones like 'Serious Stuff' etc are simply incredible. The newer really impressive ones are MS Polymer (MS = modified silane, and they are mostly polyurethanes). I'm no chemist (hence reliance on wikipedia) but this gives some info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-assembled_monolayer On the general subject, the structural methacrylate glues are pretty amazing, I called some industrial glue suppliers to get recommendations about what glue to use for some stainless steel plates - was expecting the answer to be ms polymer or possibly epoxy, but they came back with these http://www.holdtite.com/shop/ProductList.aspx?cId=94. Amazing stuff, like a pumped up holt melt on steroids (with a little more open time). |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:26:33 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Another Dave wrote: Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Off topic, but a filling fell out (big hole, right at the back), went to the dentist expecting injections, drilling, etching and all the rest. However, my previous dentist has retired and a new dolly dentist saw to me. She told her assistant to mix a big ball of something, bunged it in the hole, shaped it with her fingers and said "OK, that's it". Two minutes! Does anybody know what it is? On a similar subject, anyone know how grab adhesives work? Some of the newer ones like 'Serious Stuff' etc are simply incredible. Also, about 25 years ago at work, a Bostik rep. called in with an adhesive that could work on slightly greasy metal - in fact it worked better on that than on degreased metals. I've never seen it advertised anywhere, so perhaps it didn't fulfill its promise. -- Peter. 2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em. |
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On 17 Jan, 19:14, Bruce wrote:
I agree. *I have used Araldite for 40 years, and still use it. *For those purposes where you need a faster cure, there's Rapid. Apart from being weaker and utterly useless for hot service, Araldite Rapid is also _slower_ than standard. Standard Araldite can be mixed hot and will cure in a few minutes - really as fast as you're able to work it. |
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:23:20 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley
wrote: On 17 Jan, 19:14, Bruce wrote: I agree. *I have used Araldite for 40 years, and still use it. *For those purposes where you need a faster cure, there's Rapid. Apart from being weaker and utterly useless for hot service, Araldite Rapid is also _slower_ than standard. Standard Araldite can be mixed hot and will cure in a few minutes - really as fast as you're able to work it. A useful hint, thanks. |
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Bolted wrote:
On 17 Jan, 20:26, "The Medway Handyman" davidl...@no-spam- blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On a similar subject, anyone know how grab adhesives work? Some of the newer ones like 'Serious Stuff' etc are simply incredible. The newer really impressive ones are MS Polymer (MS = modified silane, and they are mostly polyurethanes). I'm no chemist (hence reliance on wikipedia) but this gives some info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-assembled_monolayer Thanks for that - interesting. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On 17 Jan, 19:14, Bruce wrote: I agree. I have used Araldite for 40 years, and still use it. For those purposes where you need a faster cure, there's Rapid. Apart from being weaker and utterly useless for hot service, Araldite Rapid is also _slower_ than standard. Standard Araldite can be mixed hot and will cure in a few minutes - really as fast as you're able to work it. It was meant with humor .... I used rapid when I first started work .. 1975 ! and it had been going years then. |
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"Frank Erskine" wrote in message ... On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:16:30 +0000, Another Dave wrote: Steve wrote: Are there better adhesives out there these days? Off topic, but a filling fell out (big hole, right at the back), went to the dentist expecting injections, drilling, etching and all the rest. However, my previous dentist has retired and a new dolly dentist saw to me. She told her assistant to mix a big ball of something, bunged it in the hole, shaped it with her fingers and said "OK, that's it". Two minutes! Does anybody know what it is? Car body filler. yep P38 great on incisors prefer Isopon on molars |
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On Jan 18, 8:25*pm, "Rick Hughes"
wrote: Apart from being weaker and utterly useless for hot service, Araldite Rapid is also _slower_ than standard. Standard Araldite can be mixed hot and will cure in a few minutes - really as fast as you're able to work it. Hmm - I'm no great fan of Araldite rapid, but it will also set quicker when heated. I did this very thing over the weekend, and it set 'strong' within a minute or two. I've never had the 'slow' Araldite set so quickly. Do you know something I don't? (I use a hot air gun to warm it up; I have put ceramics etc. in a cooling oven overnight with the full strength stuff) I do agree that Araldite Rapid is very poor strength- and adhesion- wise when compared to the normal stuff. It also seems to me that 'years ago...' Araldite was stronger than it is now. However I put that down to the amazement of youth, and lack of experience of using it in many and varied applications. J^n |
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On 19 Jan, 12:50, jkn wrote:
Hmm - I'm no great fan of Araldite rapid, but it will also set quicker when heated. Too much risk of over-doing it and having it fail altogether, IMHO. I did this very thing over the weekend, and it set 'strong' within a minute or two. I've never had the 'slow' Araldite set so quickly. It'll set while you're stirring it, if you over do it. I use an adjustable lab stirrer hotplate, with a disposable aluminium mince pie dish on top. You can use a kitchen electric stove instead, but keep it low. If it discolours, smells, fumes, turns "gritty" or indeed sets solid, you've overdone it. |
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Hi Andy
On Jan 19, 2:33*pm, Andy Dingley wrote: It'll set while you're stirring it, if you over do it. I use an adjustable lab stirrer hotplate, with a disposable aluminium mince pie dish on top. You can use a kitchen electric stove instead, but keep it low. If it discolours, smells, fumes, turns "gritty" or indeed sets solid, you've overdone it. Sounds like you cook it substantially hotter than I've ever tried. Useful to know you can go as high as that, thanks. J^n |
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On Jan 17, 11:40*am, Stuart Noble wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Gib Bogle wrote: Steve wrote: I've used Araldite for 40 years or more on all kinds of diy repairs and I've found it pretty good at sticking hard stuff to many other types of hard stuff. *I've nearly run out and need to get some more but it occurs to me that adhesives might well have moved on in 40 years without me noticing. Are there better adhesives out there these days? There are some situations where epoxy is not the easiest or most suitable. Where some gap-filling is needed, where large amounts of adhesive will have a tendency to flow away from where it's wanted, and where some strength reduction is acceptable, the polyurethane in a cartridge is very useful, e.g. Selleys Liquid Nails. *I was sceptical at first, but now I'm frequently finding uses for it. for a quick'n'dirtyy bodge nothing beats hot glue in a gun sticks almost anything to anything (fairly strongly) quite gap filling and very very fast. Doesn't give you much time to position anything, so can only be used to spot fix. Spot fix and then apply as a fillet works very well for some applications. MBQ |
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