Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have
them do an update.

So what did they quote? Mine was $100 / hr to reestablish a line.

Also, make sure the line is in fact ON the rod. Sometimes they're
displaced.

James Madison III wrote:
I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now
stops at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working
on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram
from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string
tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do
an
update.

Usually you put a fence a few inches inside the property line, just so
there is no issue about whose property it's on. Ideally you would find
both iron rods on that side (front corner and back corner) and run a
string between them -- that is the property line -- then put the fence
just inside that. The rods are often buried a couple inches deep but
are usually not too hard to find if you know generally where it should
be. Of course, they are easy to find with a metal detector!

"Sam O'Nella" wrote in message
...
Also, make sure the line is in fact ON the rod. Sometimes they're
displaced.

Well, since I'm using the rod to _find_ the line, how do I use the line to
make sure the rod is not displaced as you say?

"Sam O'Nella" wrote in message
...

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have
them do an update.

So what did they quote? Mine was $100 / hr to reestablish a line.

I have not called the survey company yet. But I'm glad to know that pricing
info, thanks. If it's that much, I'll probably just find it myself, then go
a few inches in just to be safe.

"Heathcliff" wrote in message
ups.com...

James Madison III wrote:
I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now
stops at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working
on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram
from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string
tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do
an
update.

Usually you put a fence a few inches inside the property line, just so
there is no issue about whose property it's on. Ideally you would find
both iron rods on that side (front corner and back corner) and run a
string between them -- that is the property line -- then put the fence
just inside that. The rods are often buried a couple inches deep but
are usually not too hard to find if you know generally where it should
be. Of course, they are easy to find with a metal detector!


Yes, I can see how doing a string between the front and back iron rods would
be best. I would have to destroy about 80 feet of fence to do that though


I think I'll tie on to the front rod, then tie on to the last fence post,
then go a few inches in just to be safe as you suggested. Thanks for the
info.

James Madison III wrote:

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.
(snip)

In my community, a side-yard fence may not extend beyond the back of the
house (toward the street). You ought to check with the local building
department.

Roby

Tie a line from the front of the property to the rear, putting in a
temporary stake about a foot or so outside the property stakes. Then
measure in a foot to make sure you are clearanced properly at any
given point on the property line.
This should eliminate having to tear down fence to make sure things
are done properly.
There is nothing better than knowing first hand where things *should*
be.

Yes, I can see how doing a string between the front and back iron rods would
be best. I would have to destroy about 80 feet of fence to do that though


I think I'll tie on to the front rod, then tie on to the last fence post,
then go a few inches in just to be safe as you suggested. Thanks for the
info.




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On 1/31/2005 8:46 PM US(ET), MUADIB=AE took fingers to keys, and typed th=
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following:

Tie a line from the front of the property to the rear, putting in a
temporary stake about a foot or so outside the property stakes. Then
measure in a foot to make sure you are clearanced properly at any
given point on the property line.
This should eliminate having to tear down fence to make sure things
are done properly.
There is nothing better than knowing first hand where things *should*
be.
=20


Except where knowing first hand, where things are *allowed* to be, which =

a visit to the local building department.will determine. Between the=20
time the original fence was built and the current time, setback codes=20
may have changed.
I know that 20 years ago, the fence setback in my area was 6" for a 6'=20
foot high fence. It is now 3'.
I have to get a permit to replace damaged portions of my fence, although =

I am grandfathered at 6"

=20
=20

Yes, I can see how doing a string between the front and back iron rods =
would
be best. I would have to destroy about 80 feet of fence to do that tho=
ugh


I think I'll tie on to the front rod, then tie on to the last fence pos=
t,
then go a few inches in just to be safe as you suggested. Thanks for t=
he
info.

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Talk to your City Surveyor he will know the correct way and it is free.

James Madison III wrote:
"Sam O'Nella" wrote in message
...
Also, make sure the line is in fact ON the rod. Sometimes they're
displaced.

Well, since I'm using the rod to _find_ the line, how do I use the
line to make sure the rod is not displaced as you say?

It is designated on the survey.

"Roby" wrote in message
...
James Madison III wrote:

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.
(snip)

In my community, a side-yard fence may not extend beyond the back of the
house (toward the street). You ought to check with the local building
department.

Roby


The fence on the opposite side of my house (my fence) extends 30 feet past
the back of the house towards the street, also I see many other houses in my
neighborhood have fences that extend past the back of the house so I guess I
thought I was safe. I don't want to tear down though so I'll probably check
the codes just in case.

This seems strange to me. Why would the fence separating two properties
not be built *on* the boundary, straddling it, with the owners of the
adjacent properties sharing the cost? -- unless, as on one side of our
property, there is a drainage easement, in which case, I assume, no
fence could be built at all.

Perce


On 01/31/05 06:06 pm Heathcliff tossed the following ingredients into
the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

Usually you put a fence a few inches inside the property line, just so
there is no issue about whose property it's on. Ideally you would find
both iron rods on that side (front corner and back corner) and run a
string between them -- that is the property line -- then put the fence
just inside that. The rods are often buried a couple inches deep but
are usually not too hard to find if you know generally where it should
be. Of course, they are easy to find with a metal detector!

On 1/31/2005 10:18 PM US(ET), Percival P. Cassidy took fingers to keys,
and typed the following:

This seems strange to me. Why would the fence separating two
properties not be built *on* the boundary, straddling it, with the
owners of the adjacent properties sharing the cost? -- unless, as on
one side of our property, there is a drainage easement, in which case,
I assume, no fence could be built at all.


If your fence is on the line, there is no place for you to fix, paint,
or otherwise touch the outside of your fence without trespassing on your
neighbor's property.


Perce


On 01/31/05 06:06 pm Heathcliff tossed the following ingredients into
the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

Usually you put a fence a few inches inside the property line, just so
there is no issue about whose property it's on. Ideally you would find
both iron rods on that side (front corner and back corner) and run a
string between them -- that is the property line -- then put the fence
just inside that. The rods are often buried a couple inches deep but
are usually not too hard to find if you know generally where it should
be. Of course, they are easy to find with a metal detector!



--
Bill

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message
...
This seems strange to me. Why would the fence separating two properties
not be built *on* the boundary, straddling it, with the owners of the
adjacent properties sharing the cost? -- unless, as on one side of our
property, there is a drainage easement, in which case, I assume, no fence
could be built at all.


I think it is a safety issue to avoid disputes later.

For one thing, I'm not willing to share the cost. I don't want a fence and
it my neighbor does, it is on him 100%. If accidentally he strayed on my
property with it I'd not be happy about it.

In some neighborhoods, you are correct and both may share the cost. The
next problem is 20 years later when both have moved and new people reside
there and the fence needs repairs. One says OK, the other says No.

I had the original surveyor come out to do it. He used a metal detector,
found the iron rods and staked them for $100. I could have done that. The
cost of the survey is dependant on how far back the surveyor has to go to
establish a reference. The original surveyor would know where the references
are. More importantly is knowing your communities regulations. I couldnt
extend my fence beyond the front of the house even though I could point to a
dozen houses that had done so. But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences. In addition
the codes required the fence to be 6 inches inside the property line with
the good side facing out.


"James Madison III" wrote in message
...

"Roby" wrote in message
...
James Madison III wrote:

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now
stops
at the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards
the
street.
(snip)

In my community, a side-yard fence may not extend beyond the back of the
house (toward the street). You ought to check with the local building
department.

Roby


The fence on the opposite side of my house (my fence) extends 30 feet past
the back of the house towards the street, also I see many other houses in
my
neighborhood have fences that extend past the back of the house so I guess
I
thought I was safe. I don't want to tear down though so I'll probably
check
the codes just in case.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:51:51 GMT, "James Madison III" wrote:

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.



Surveys around here run about $300, but having one is a sure way to
avoid any disputes later. I'd find the rods myself, then make sure
the fence is a couple inches inside the property line.

My fence & neighbor tale...
I had a tall healthy looking elderly one armed neighbor behind me tell me
quite loudly my bushes were sticking through my horz shadow box fencing onto
his property - he had walked into my garage while I was under a car with my
legs sticking out & quite greasy .... I instantly popped out and politely
apologized and said I'll fix it right now . Stopped what I was doing and
trimmed the bushes - some, very few small bushy limbs fell onto his
property - he returned and complained rudely I offered to come clean up -
No!. Maybe a yr or two later same ordeal - I asked to access his side of
fence, he said no - Told me I should get rid of that fence as it ruins his
view. again; Complained some clippings fell on his side.

He had a row of bushes along the fence on his side too ... they were always
poking though and I never would have even considered complaining until he
hires a guy with a pickup truck to wrap chain around all his bushes and a
running yank to remove all of his bushes, some had branches poking thru
the fence and they were yanking out lots of those horizontal cedar slats.
I got there about the time he was near finished and yelled at the guy to
stop - The neighbor comes out and grabbed a fence post and I swear if he had
two arms he would have yanked that post loose and pummeled me with it ..
he was angry as heck I complained to him about the fence damage ...that
ruins his view of my house & back yard.




"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:51:51 GMT, "James Madison III" wrote:

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from
the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.



Surveys around here run about $300, but having one is a sure way to
avoid any disputes later. I'd find the rods myself, then make sure
the fence is a couple inches inside the property line.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:33:11 GMT, Phisherman wrote:

$300 is cheap and I always thought it will cost upward to 1K,
BTW, where are you?

Surveys around here run about $300, but having one is a sure way to
avoid any disputes later. I'd find the rods myself, then make sure
the fence is a couple inches inside the property line.

"Jmagerl" wrote in message
news
But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences.


You must be the neighborhood hero!
How's mischief night at your house?

Kathy wrote:
"Jmagerl" wrote in message
news
But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences.


You must be the neighborhood hero!
How's mischief night at your house?

I think you misunderstood (or maybe I did). It doesn't read to me like
HE sent the letters, rather, letters were sent by the township or
whoever regulates that type of thing in his community.

--
Jennifer

James Madison III wrote:
....
Yes, I can see how doing a string between the front and back iron rods would
be best. I would have to destroy about 80 feet of fence to do that though


I think I'll tie on to the front rod, then tie on to the last fence post,
then go a few inches in just to be safe as you suggested. Thanks for the
info.

If you can find both rods, it should be pretty easy to run a line of
sight line down the existing fence to the other rod to see if it is
inside or on the line.

I've not read whole thread, but if nobody has mentioned it, since you
mentioned going towards the street be sure you know what zoning rules
(if any) apply or subdivision covenants.

Jennifer wrote:
Kathy wrote:
"Jmagerl" wrote in message
news
But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences.


You must be the neighborhood hero!
How's mischief night at your house?

I think you misunderstood (or maybe I did). It doesn't read to me
like HE sent the letters, rather, letters were sent by the township or
whoever regulates that type of thing in his community.

But HE (inadvertantly or not) caused them to get the letters. I'm sure he's
not favored very well in the 'hood.

In article , Sam O'Nella says...

Jennifer wrote:
Kathy wrote:
"Jmagerl" wrote in message
news But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences.


You must be the neighborhood hero!
How's mischief night at your house?

I think you misunderstood (or maybe I did). It doesn't read to me
like HE sent the letters, rather, letters were sent by the township or
whoever regulates that type of thing in his community.

But HE (inadvertantly or not) caused them to get the letters. I'm sure he's
not favored very well in the 'hood.



So, what should he have done? Sit tight and done nothing, not asked the town,
what? If their building was against code, how is it *his* fault? Oh, I know,
honor among theives, he's supposed to help them hide their violation.

I peeved a neighbor when I pointed out to the town that a storm drain was
completely clogged. Water would jump the curb, running diagonally across my
front yard, then down my other neighbor's yard, causing subsidience damage to a
front walkway I had, etc. The town came in and dug the new storm drain between
our properties - that's what easements are for.

The neighbor never talked to me again. Gosh darn, not only were some softwood
trees removed from the easement area, the town also noticed his failing septic
when they were back there. He had to replace it. I always wondered - what else
the heck was I supposed to do - tolerate ongoing water damage to help him hide
his septic?

Banty (looking lovingly at the For Sale sign that went up a month or so ago on
said neighbor's front lawn)

No...I had nothing to do with it. If people think the village doesn't know
what is going on, they are saddly mistaken. Fences are very visible
structures. THe building department had just gotten swamped during a growth
phase and couldnt keep up with everything. As soon as they caught up, the
letters went out. The town went from 8000 people to 18000 people in a span
of 5 years. They werent quite prepared for it.

"Sam O'Nella" wrote in message
...
Jennifer wrote:
Kathy wrote:
"Jmagerl" wrote in message
news But than I had gotten a permit and the others
all eventually got letters asking them to demolish their fences.


You must be the neighborhood hero!
How's mischief night at your house?

I think you misunderstood (or maybe I did). It doesn't read to me
like HE sent the letters, rather, letters were sent by the township or
whoever regulates that type of thing in his community.

But HE (inadvertantly or not) caused them to get the letters. I'm sure
he's not favored very well in the 'hood.

bumtracks wrote:
My fence & neighbor tale...
I had a tall healthy looking elderly one armed neighbor behind me tell me
quite loudly my bushes were sticking through my horz shadow box fencing onto

Where I live, what grows over my property is mine. Tree limbs and
shrubs over my line are mine to trim and clean up, unless one has an
agreement that neighbor trims both sides of his hedge. It is also
against building code here to mutilate trees, so "revenge" tree trimming
would not work.

Picking up a piece of lumber and threatening someone comes close to
assault. I would keep my distance, and invite him to leave your
property immediately if he comes back - call the cops if you have more
trouble. Restraining orders don't cost much. Sounds like a miserable
guy - does he live alone?

Except where knowing first hand, where things are *allowed* to be, which
a visit to the local building department.will determine. Between the
time the original fence was built and the current time, setback codes
may have changed.

There is that isn't there?.................LOL

And another damn good added post !




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I paid $100 for the survey company to come out and stake out the lot.

iradi8 wrote:
I paid $100 for the survey company to come out and stake out the lot.


I paid $700 for a 1.1 acre lot, fairly flat, with 5 corners. I had
bids from surveyors for $1600. I just wanted to know where the corners
are. I found out that I own about 100 feet further back into the
conservation land than I had assumed. It's a little hard to get to but
I have to pay tax on it anyway. The Town wouldn't let me give it to
them because it would leave the piece with my house less than the
required size!

xrongor wrote:
people in this group are very confronational. there is a simple solution.

go talk to the neighbor. show him where the line is as you see it. show
him where you are going to build the fence. then get him to sign something
that says he agrees to have the fence there.

worry about problems if they actually arise.

randy

"James Madison III" wrote in message
...

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.


Because some people have neighbors (like me) who are jackasses.

I doubt if the neighbor will sign anything. Put yourself in his
position. Will you do it? Even if that happens, how does the document
with signatures going to change the property lines delineated in the
deeds. If the document is not consistent with the deeds, it is useless.

"GFRfan" wrote in message

worry about problems if they actually arise.

randy

Because some people have neighbors (like me) who are jackasses.

Makes two of us. I'd not sign anything. He want the fence, it is his
problem. I don't want a fence.

"James Madison III" wrote in message
...
I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.

assuming your property is adjacent to another property owner's land:

you could build it without the other property owner's permission but if you
do so you will pay for the entire fence, if you build it right on the
property line the neighbor coul contest it, if you build it right inside the
property line on your side and it ever needs replacing you pay 100% for
replacement,

otherwise you both agree to pay 1/2 and agree on the kind of fence

survey update for fence line would be a good idea, neighbor could split the
cost of that too

James Madison III wrote:
I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.


Hi,
If you can find 4 rods at 4 corner of the lot with metal detector or
digging around, that's it. You already have a drawing to guesstimate
where the spots are.
Good luck,
Tont

James Madison III wrote:
"Sam O'Nella" wrote in message
...

Also, make sure the line is in fact ON the rod. Sometimes they're
displaced.


Well, since I'm using the rod to _find_ the line, how do I use the line to
make sure the rod is not displaced as you say?


Hi,
The rod is pretty long driven deep. Won't move easily.
Tony

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"GFRfan" wrote in message

worry about problems if they actually arise.

randy


Because some people have neighbors (like me) who are jackasses.


Makes two of us. I'd not sign anything. He want the fence, it is his
problem. I don't want a fence.


Hi,
You two better be neighbors, LOL!
I don't have neighbors, lonely!
Tony

Norminn wrote:


bumtracks wrote:

My fence & neighbor tale...
I had a tall healthy looking elderly one armed neighbor behind me tell me
quite loudly my bushes were sticking through my horz shadow box
fencing onto


Where I live, what grows over my property is mine. Tree limbs and
shrubs over my line are mine to trim and clean up, unless one has an
agreement that neighbor trims both sides of his hedge. It is also
against building code here to mutilate trees, so "revenge" tree trimming
would not work.

Picking up a piece of lumber and threatening someone comes close to
assault. I would keep my distance, and invite him to leave your
property immediately if he comes back - call the cops if you have more
trouble. Restraining orders don't cost much. Sounds like a miserable
guy - does he live alone?

Hi,
Sounds like angry one arm nut case. He'll lose another arm some day if
he does not change. Glad I never had neighbor like that in my life time.
Tony

I moved into my house a year ago and wanted to put in a fence all the
way around my property. The original survey company wanted $100 per
corner to put iron stakes in. I found out that this propery was
subdivided from a larger lot when the house was built in 1990 so I
figured the stakes were already there. After a couple swipes with a
rake, I got out the hose and started spraying with a hard stream. After
about 2 minutes I saw a bright yellow cap on the iron stake. I repeated
the process at all corners. By the way, I got the general area of the
corners by measuring from the first stake per my survey's measurements.

Bobby

..

I'm about to extend my backyard wood privacy fence. The fence now stops
at
the back of the house. I want to extend it 20 feet going towards the
street.

Since there is no old fence on the 20 feet of yard I'll be working on, I
need to make sure where the property line is. I have the diagram from the
1993 survey which says there are iron rods in place.

Do you think I'm safe to just find the rod myself and pull a string tight
between it and the last post on the old fence?

Or should I pay for a survey? I've heard that you can get a survey a
little
cheaper by calling the original survey company and just have them do an
update.


Because some people have neighbors (like me) who are jackasses.
========================================

Sounds like you have a the normal small sub division lot.. and it was
surveyed 10 years ago and as usual they (The survayers) have left 9
iron (markers) in place.... .

Grab the copy of the survey and look for some of those markers... My
home was built almopst 40 years ago and a few years ago I found the
markers that I needed in almost no time at all... In ten years they
should be easily found...

Then you can install the fence (as per local codes..set backs etc)

I truely have fantastic neighbors but I sure would not sign off on a
project for them that could affect my own property nor would I expect
them to sign off on one for me....

Bob Griffiths.

On 25 Feb 2005 11:34:07 -0800, "Bobby_M" wrote:

BTW, how do the iron stake look like and how deep (or length of stake) it stake
into the ground?

Thanks

I moved into my house a year ago and wanted to put in a fence all the
way around my property. The original survey company wanted $100 per
corner to put iron stakes in. I found out that this propery was
subdivided from a larger lot when the house was built in 1990 so I
figured the stakes were already there. After a couple swipes with a
rake, I got out the hose and started spraying with a hard stream. After
about 2 minutes I saw a bright yellow cap on the iron stake. I repeated
the process at all corners. By the way, I got the general area of the
corners by measuring from the first stake per my survey's measurements.

Bobby