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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.
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Silica gel (a type of dessicant)

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


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Dessicant (generic term for that which dries something else out)
Silica gel (a type of dessicant)

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

* plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! *Thanks.


to dry a cell phone, take battery out and use a hair dryer. get the
phone nice and toasty.

it may not work but drying it fast is important
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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a camera,
or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a plastic bag
with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.


Rice, at a push. Charcoal should work too, I expect.

Funny you mention this - about ten minutes ago I was shoveling snow off
the path out front and unearthed (unsnowed?) my daughter's camera...

cheers

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On Feb 22, 10:12*am, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

* plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! *Thanks.


Remove the battery and SIM/memory card first. This should be done as
soon as you know the device got wet. i.e. immediately.

Bury it in uncooked rice.

I would use a large bowl or leave the bag open. You want the moisture
to escape, not get sealed in the bag.


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I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.



The material you're thinking of is "desiccant". you'll be familiar with
this from those little white pouches you get with some electronic stuff
that say, "Do Not Eat" on them.

Google for these terms: desiccant packs

Shipping-supply places often have them.



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You can also put the camera in a sunny window for a couple of days (after
running out the lens, removing the battery and cards, and opening whatever
things are openable). The heat is high enough to evaporate the moisture,
but not high enough to damage the camera. Putting it on the dashboard of
your car works as well.


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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


Raw white rice.

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

* plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! *Thanks.


Dried out a cell phone with rice in the bag. Think it took a day.
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:12:08 -0500, micky wrote:

About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a camera,
or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a plastic bag
with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.


Rice, at a push. Charcoal should work too, I expect.

Funny you mention this - about ten minutes ago I was shoveling snow off
the path out front and unearthed (unsnowed?) my daughter's camera...


Try rice. Or maybe charcoal.

cheers

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to dry a cell phone, take battery out and use a hair dryer. get the
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it may not work but drying it fast is important




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Dessicant (generic term for that which dries something else out)
Silica gel (a type of dessicant)

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

* plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! *Thanks.


to dry a cell phone, take battery out and use a hair dryer. get the
phone nice and toasty.

it may not work but drying it fast is important


Too late for that!

Actually the guy I got it from did remove the battery and the memory
card, and leave it open, but it didnt' help.

That was months ago, and he just gave it to me today.

Can't open the zoom lens, as someone suggested because even with a
charged battery, the camerat does absolutely nothin' .

It's getting warmer, so I can try the sunny window, but RICE was the
substance I couldn't think of. I'm going to try that first. Seems
to me a sealed bag will be better because the rice will have to use
the humidity from the camera instead of the whole house. But if
that doesn't work, I'll try an open container with new rice.

I save all those little dessciant bags just for something liek this,
and I could heat them in the oven I think and dry them out. or I could
go buy something bigger.

(He checked with Panasonic and they told him they don't really fix the
cameras, they just send a duplicate, and if they don't have that,
something close, and since there is no warranty for this, they charge
90 dollars for a small point and shoot digital camer. He bought a
new newer model for 99.

He was on a cruise, with the camera in a pocket of his bathing suit,
when he went to the hot tub. Noticed it right away, will, right after
it went under water.

If nothing else I got another USB cord, and a might fit something
someday battery and charger, Plus a camera to take apart -- found
two screws already. )

Thanks all.
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:12:08 -0500, micky wrote:

About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a camera,
or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a plastic bag
with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.


Rice, at a push. Charcoal should work too, I expect.


Rice is what I was looking for. I don't think anything else normally
found in the home absorbs as much water. Not even spaghetti.

I'll try to let you all know, but cameras have many more parts and
moving parts than cellphones, and I think it will take weeks if it
works, not just a day.


Funny you mention this - about ten minutes ago I was shoveling snow off
the path out front and unearthed (unsnowed?) my daughter's camera...


Try rice. Or maybe charcoal.

cheers

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I'll try to let you all know, but cameras have many more parts and
moving parts than cellphones, and I think it will take weeks if it
works, not just a day.


It's probably not related to moving parts, but rather electronic
components. If it doesn't work in a few days, it's not likely to work
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:12:08 -0500, micky wrote:

About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a plastic bag with
some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.


Rice, at a push. Charcoal should work too, I expect.

Funny you mention this - about ten minutes ago I was shoveling snow off
the path out front and unearthed (unsnowed?) my daughter's camera...


Try rice. Or maybe charcoal.


Hmm, that's good thinking - I might just do that.

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


Remove battery. Best to cycle and or blow dry. Cycling temperature will
make it breath. You want air flow, not stagnant. I usually use a
combination of air and sit the device under a 100 watt lamp to get around
120 degrees.

Salt is another desiccant, but don't get it near device.

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.



rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

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On 2/22/2012 10:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


Desiccants can be purchased at craft stores, like Michaels; used for
drying flowers. It would need to be put into a paper or cloth container
to keep the dust out of the camera. First action, though, I would use a
hair dryer on low heat to blow out as much moisture as possible (after
removing the battery and chip)....never done it. The silica gel
desiccant changes color when it has absorbed moisture (blue to pink?)
and is easy to renew by heating in oven at low temp.
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On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.



rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature
at 100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and
also, fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in
the microwave.
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On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.



rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature at
100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and also,
fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in the
microwave.


100 sounds great! the lowest mine will hold is 170. much too hot for
raising bread. Good for wet phones though.

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On 2/22/2012 9:46 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.


Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a


plastic bag


with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days..


I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.


Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.


If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.


I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature at
100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and also,
fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in the
microwave.


100 sounds great! *the lowest mine will hold is 170. *much too hot for
raising bread. *Good for wet phones though.

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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


Take batteries out and put in a container with rice. The rice will
absorb the moisture inside the device.


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On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.



rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature at
100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and also,
fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in the
microwave.


Our microwave died and I bought a Panasonic to replace it. The box
touted that it has "inverter technology".

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...rter_story.asp

Interestingly enough it actually works. "inverter turbo defrost" doesn't
cook the edges of food and is really fast. And it is higher power and
cooks faster without overcooking the edges of food.
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In an electric oven. A byproduct of burning gas is moisture.
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Dessicant (generic term for that which dries something else out)
Silica gel (a type of dessicant)


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About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.


Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a


* plastic bag


with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.


I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.


Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.


If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! *Thanks.


to dry a cell phone, take battery out and use a hair dryer. get the
phone nice and toasty.


it may not work but drying it fast is important


Too late for that!

Actually the guy I got it from did remove the battery and the memory
card, and leave it open, but it didnt' help.

That was months ago, and he just gave it to me today.


This happened months ago and you think it still has water in it?

I would say it's fried if it doesn't work.
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In an electric oven. A byproduct of burning gas is moisture.


Not enough moisture from burning gas in my experience; have done it many
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On 2/23/2012 8:46 AM, Art Todesco wrote:
On 2/22/2012 9:46 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature at
100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and also,
fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in the
microwave.


Our microwave died and I bought a Panasonic to replace it. The box touted
that it has "inverter technology".

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...rter_story.asp

Interestingly enough it actually works. "inverter turbo defrost" doesn't
cook the edges of food and is really fast. And it is higher power and
cooks faster without overcooking the edges of food.


Has nothing to with drying a phone. I have one. Very powerful. They say a
higher than normal failure rate. Does not need the big 60 hz transformer
because it a switching supply. More parts. I love mine.

My little turbo oven has a dryer mode, but is set at 135 degrees. Not good
for phones and it tends to brown veggies if left in too long.

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On 2/22/2012 9:46 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/22/2012 9:12 AM, micky wrote:
About a year ago three was a thread here about how to dry out a
camera, or maybe it was a cellphone, that had been underwater.

Rather than take it apart, someone had sealed it in a

plastic bag

with some other material or substance and let it sit for several days.

I can't remember what the other material was, and googling the
keywords I could thinik of didn't find it.

Any suggestion of the keywords used, or of what to use to dry the
camera.

If I'd known I would need this, I woudl have saved it!! Thanks.


rice is the lore. But the oven works faster.

I have a really neat feature on my Whirlpool oven that is for raising
dough. Once set, it runs the convection fan and holds the temperature at
100 degree F. Besides dough, it's great for drying out things and also,
fast defrosting of meat or anything, without edge cooking, like in the
microwave.


Our microwave died and I bought a Panasonic to replace it. The box
touted that it has "inverter technology".


Sometimes companies brag about things not worth bragging about.

At a shlock store a a few years ago, a radio with "superheterodyne
circuitryf'. Of course all AM radios have had that for maybe 100
years, (except crystal readios.)

Another cheap stereo said, "Direct coupled for high frequency
response". Well yes, when you use fewer and cheaper components than
good brands use, you have to use direct coupling for reasonably high
frequency ressponse, but that doesn't make it good.

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...rter_story.asp

Interestingly enough it actually works. "inverter turbo defrost" doesn't
cook the edges of food and is really fast. And it is higher power and
cooks faster without overcooking the edges of food.


Good to know. I'm glad they're bragging about something braggable.
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:42:29 -0800 (PST), Ron
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it may not work but drying it fast is important


Too late for that!

Actually the guy I got it from did remove the battery and the memory
card, and leave it open, but it didnt' help.

That was months ago, and he just gave it to me today.


This happened months ago and you think it still has water in it?

I would say it's fried if it doesn't work.


You know, you're probably right. At least that drying won't help.

I do think there could still be water in it. Somehow I think water
has an easier time getting in t han it does getting out, that
evaporation is incrediblly slow.

But I think the damage has been done.

Fried? with only 7 volts? I sort of doubt that.

I'm thinking the on-off switch or the battery contacts might be
corroded. That would account for the fact that nothing at all
happens.

The battery contracts look qlean and I put a drop of DeoxIT DP5 into
the slide switch, but doing that from the top never works well.

I've found 5 screws, enough to take 3 of the 4 sides off, so maybe I
can get at the swtitch wihtout the whole thing popping apart. But
experience tells me I should try the rice first, since that won't
cause the camera to burst apart. When/if that doesn't work, I'll try
taking it apart.

Thanks and thanks all.
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On Feb 24, 5:57*am, micky wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:42:29 -0800 (PST), Ron
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it may not work but drying it fast is important


Too late for that!


Actually the guy I got it from did remove the battery and the memory
card, and leave it open, but it didnt' help.


That was months ago, and he just gave it to me today.


This happened months ago and you think it still has water in it?


I would say it's fried if it doesn't work.


You know, you're probably right. * At least that drying won't help.

I do think there could still be water in it. * Somehow I think water
has an easier time getting in t han it does getting out, that
evaporation is incrediblly slow.

But I think the damage has been done.

Fried? * with only 7 volts? *I sort of doubt that.


Fried, as in no longer works. Junked. Trashed. Etc.....
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:34:36 -0800 (PST), Ron
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On Feb 24, 5:57*am, micky wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:42:29 -0800 (PST), Ron
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it may not work but drying it fast is important


Too late for that!


Actually the guy I got it from did remove the battery and the memory
card, and leave it open, but it didnt' help.


That was months ago, and he just gave it to me today.


This happened months ago and you think it still has water in it?


I would say it's fried if it doesn't work.


You know, you're probably right. * At least that drying won't help.

I do think there could still be water in it. * Somehow I think water
has an easier time getting in t han it does getting out, that
evaporation is incrediblly slow.

But I think the damage has been done.

Fried? * with only 7 volts? *I sort of doubt that.


Fried, as in no longer works. Junked. Trashed. Etc.....


Gotcha. I'm sort of a literalist. In fact, I think one needs oil to
fry electronics.
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