In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



Uhhh, do you visit Earth much ??

--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

"Fred" wrote in message news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

Hi Fred
Black & Decker only mfe. light duty power tool,thus only for small litte job.
If you need long lasting tool you should have buy heavy duty tool eg. AEG power
tool I have one AEG 1/2"power drill use for twenty five years, which do not have
any problam,untill my friend did not return back to me after he borrow from me.

In article Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03,
"Fred" wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I know they often get negative press.

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.


Roland

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



Black & Decker hasn't been any good throughout my lifetime, or most of it
anyway. Perhaps they were decent back in the 60's and 70's but I've had some
of their stuff since the 80's and while some hasn't broken, it all feels
cheap.

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.



My mom has one of those B&D cordless electric mowers and it actually works
very well, but when I picked it up (for free mind you) the stupid cable
operated switch was all messed up. I built a little controller with some
high current MOSFETs and screwed a microswitch to the handle so it's
activated by the original deadman bar, been working great ever since.

"Joe Doe" wrote in message


I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit

If it was truly good quality, it would not have to go back in for warranty
service. Twice.

Good to hear they have good customer service though. B & D is no longer the
quality it was years ago. Serviceable stuff the the light user, but nothing
of interest for a tradesman.

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



I quit buying their stuff long ago.

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"CJT" wrote in message
...
| Fred wrote:
| In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
| decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
| then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
| worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
| small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
| vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.
|
| The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
| assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
| I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

| I quit buying their stuff long ago.

Is it a real company, or just a brand for "Made in China"?

N

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their
small drills, then returned it when the motor seized up after 2
months. The replacement worked for a year, then the motor developed
an open circuit. Same for a small jig saw -- the blade moved up and
down at about a 5-degree angle off vertical. The same for a small
electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to
suck the assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be
quite good, but now I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

My neighbor had the same problem. Then his wife pointed out that he only
turned on for about two minutes, moved up and down at the wrong angle, and
could never seem to get the job done to her satisfaction.

"mowhoong" wrote in message
om...
"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

Hi Fred
Black & Decker only mfe. light duty power tool,thus only for small litte
job.
If you need long lasting tool you should have buy heavy duty tool eg. AEG
power
tool I have one AEG 1/2"power drill use for twenty five years, which do
not have
any problam,untill my friend did not return back to me after he borrow
from me.

These were all used in light duty - extra light duty. They just haven't
held up to normal use. Thanks, but don't need 1/2" or larger tools.

"Joe Doe" wrote in message
...
In article Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03,
"Fred" wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I know they often get negative press.

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.


Roland

Good to hear you found a good service shop. But taking in stuff for a repair
a year is not what I call good quality workmanship/design. I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago. I can cut my
grass twice on a single charge - 5,000 square feet each time. Good quality
mower, excellent manual and reasonably priced parts.

"JerryMouse" wrote in message news:0I-dnd3Hlrjyri_cRVn-

My neighbor had the same problem. Then his wife pointed out that he only
turned on for about two minutes, moved up and down at the wrong angle, and
could never seem to get the job done to her satisfaction.

Tell him to try viagra.

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. com...

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.



I have a Dremel-like tool by Ryobi and it's definitly not as nice as the
real thing. On the other hand, I got a cheap Ryobi router a few years ago
and while only used lightly I've never had any trouble with it. Overall they
seem to be about the same as B&D, some of their stuff is decent, some is
crappy, it's all relatively low end Chinese stuff.

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



They sold their soul to WalMart, cycles of build it cheaper.

"Hugh Prescott" wrote in message
...

| They sold their soul to WalMart, cycles of build it cheaper.

Have you seen that TV show about Wal-Mart where they get the sellers into
little rooms then screw them down until they move to China or go bankrupt?

N

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I feel the same way. I had some B&D tools that lasted forever. I
used swear by their tools. Now I swear at them. I bought one of
their drills 1 1/2 years ago. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything. I
contacted the company. They told me to take it to a service center.
I checked, the nearest center is 130 miles away. I contacted them and
told them I am not going that far. They said that is all they can do
for me. I bought a saber saw a year ago. I used it about 8 times.
Last week I was cutting a piece of thin sheet metal with a metal
cuting blade. Suddenly the blade stopped moving, yet the motor kept
running. There went the cheap plastic gears. I;m sure they will tell
me to drive 130 miles again. I tossed the drill in the trash, because
there was no way to remove the chuck. I guess the saw will be next to
add to the garbage heap. I will never buy another B&D tool.

Mark

I'd forgotten about the drill, my mom has one of those pieces of crap, I'm
always cursing at it whenever I end up having to use it over there because I
can't drill through anything without the drill bit spinning in the chuck.

. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything.

Cheap keyless chucks are junk. OTOH, if you buy a $200 drill, they are
excellent.

At about the time of 12/4/2004 11:04 AM, James Sweet stated the following:

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made

a

decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck

the

assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but

now

I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred




Black & Decker hasn't been any good throughout my lifetime, or most of it
anyway. Perhaps they were decent back in the 60's and 70's but I've had some
of their stuff since the 80's and while some hasn't broken, it all feels
cheap.



A co-worker of mine bought a very expensive B&D coffee maker. After 1
cup it shorted out.

As for power tools, I have a Makita angle grinder. Works great with no
problems. I'd buy another Makita power tool if I needed it.

--
Daniel Rudy

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At about the time of 12/5/2004 5:04 AM, Edwin Pawlowski stated the
following:

. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything.


Cheap keyless chucks are junk. OTOH, if you buy a $200 drill, they are
excellent.



Just goes to show you, you get what you pay for...usually. I'll spend
the money to by a quality peice of equipment that will give me years of
trouble free service vs. spending $20 for some chinese made peice of junk.

--
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Which ones do you have?

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. com...

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.

Don't know about their tools, but I like their posters. B^)
"Daniel Rudy"

As for power tools, I have a Makita angle grinder. Works great with no
problems. I'd buy another Makita power tool if I needed it.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:b1zsd.10503$PL1.7529@trnddc09...

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for
a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I feel the same way. I had some B&D tools that lasted forever. I
used swear by their tools. Now I swear at them. I bought one of
their drills 1 1/2 years ago. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything. I
contacted the company. They told me to take it to a service center.
I checked, the nearest center is 130 miles away. I contacted them and
told them I am not going that far. They said that is all they can do
for me. I bought a saber saw a year ago. I used it about 8 times.
Last week I was cutting a piece of thin sheet metal with a metal
cuting blade. Suddenly the blade stopped moving, yet the motor kept
running. There went the cheap plastic gears. I;m sure they will tell
me to drive 130 miles again. I tossed the drill in the trash, because
there was no way to remove the chuck. I guess the saw will be next to
add to the garbage heap. I will never buy another B&D tool.

Mark

I'd forgotten about the drill, my mom has one of those pieces of crap, I'm
always cursing at it whenever I end up having to use it over there because
I
can't drill through anything without the drill bit spinning in the chuck.

Ditto. Mines "cordless". Holds a charge for 45 seconds.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:13:07 GMT, Daniel Rudy
b0e1l2l3.4i5n6v7a8l9i0d1.2n3e4t5
wrote:

At about the time of 12/5/2004 5:04 AM, Edwin Pawlowski stated the
following:

. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything.


Cheap keyless chucks are junk. OTOH, if you buy a $200 drill, they are
excellent.



Just goes to show you, you get what you pay for...usually. I'll spend
the money to by a quality peice of equipment that will give me years of
trouble free service vs. spending $20 for some chinese made peice of junk.


Depends what I need it for. Some stuff it's absolutely worth getting
quality. Snap-ring pliers for example. If I just need a cheap socket
set to keep in the car, the $30 set is fine. A brick chisel that I'll
never need again, a cheap chinese one is fine.

B&D makes a lot of Sears tools, btw. I agree that B&D quality has
gone down the toilet. I had a $30 Sears drill that endured 10 years
of abuse until I managed to snap the shaft driving lag bolts. An
equilvalent new replacement has plastic gears and would probably only
tolerant light use.

So far, I like Porter-Cable for medium quality tools. The circular
saw runs nice and quiet compared to many other I've tried.

-Chris

Ross Herbert posted for all of us....


You were lucky to buy your Ryobi when you did. These days Ryobi does
not exist except in brand name only. The Japanese company closed down
their power tool manufacturing business around 1999 (I think), and
sold the brand name to Techtronic Industries in Hong Kong. Prior to
that they made a general purpose range of tools and also a "Tradeline"
series. All of the Tradeline tools I had were excellent value for
money and would give many years of troublefree service.

It was shortly after Techtronic bought the name that all the junk
tools with the Ryobi brand name appeared on the scene. I had several
problems with their handyman belt sander and also a cordless drill so
much that I was eventually reimbursed for the cost of the sander
(which I put towards a Makita), and Ryobi "gave" me one of their newer
so-called "professional" or trades series cordless drills as a
replacement for the junk drill. I had to direct my complaints directly
back to management in Hong Kong before this occurred though.

I suspect you will find that B&D is no longer the original company
(much like Ryobi) and consequently their products are now largely
"junk". I remember using one of their compact aluminium framed Holgun
drills back in the 1960's, and boy, could these drills take a
hammering without any problems for year after year. That was when B&D
was really a good power tool.


You will note that this same company has bought Milwaukee Tools. Can't wait
to see what they do to them...
--
Tekkie

Other than their Dust-Busters, the majority of B&D tools and
appliances I've had have been poorly engineered. Last time I was in
Lowe's, looking for a Porter Cable cordless finish nailer, the guy
there said that B&D bought Porter Cable (Pentair) and stopped
production of the nailer (it could be used with either a battery or
compressor). I think he said that Delta was part of Pentair, too. I
did see on Amazon that B&D is putting out a cordless finish nailer
this month (doesn't work with a compressor, though). I still want one,
but I'm going to hold off until I see the reviews.

Last thing, while at Lowe's I saw a Bosch reciprocating saw on sale
for a Christmas promotion, and it was made in China!

In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

"Joe Doe" wrote in message


I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit

If it was truly good quality, it would not have to go back in for warranty
service. Twice.

Which is why, I mentioned what the nature of the repairs were - I may
have unintentionally caused the first mishap (freewheeling motor which
did not drive the blade) by occasionally using the mower to mulch small
amounts of brush (very small - generally less than 1/2 inch brush).

The second time it failed only the brushes needed replacing. If I knew
it was not under warranty I would have tried to troubleshoot better and
probably have discovered it myself. Assuming it was under warranty I
did not bother to troubleshoot at all. Two years for a set of brushes
on a mower is not really that bad. Incidentally, before I bought this
mower I shared a B&D electric mower with a friend for about 5 years. It
did two yards of less than 5000 sq ft for that length of time and is
still in use at my friends home (now going on eight years). Over that
time, the deadman switch became a bit iffy (had to pull it way past the
natural stop to get the mower to run). The same service center
diagnosed this problem when I took my new mower in and sold me a $10
part for the repair of the old mower). I had a generally trouble free
eight years and avoided breathing gas fumes which alone is worth it to
me. I seriously doubt anybody with a gas mower could have a more trouble
free experience.

Based on my experience I really believe at least their corded electric
mower is a good product (for smaller yards) and hope my second one
continues to perform as well as the first.

The service center I went to was a DeWalt service center and they were
nothing but ultra professional - did not ask me to produce a receipt,
verified warranty status based on serial number, gave me a courtesy
discount on other stuff, threw in a new blade on the mower. All these
steps engender customer loyalty - they acknowledge the product should
not have failed and make small gestures in recognition of this. So
despite the torrent of negative press I am quite happy to defend Black
and Decker on at least this product and their after sales service as it
relates to this product.


Good to hear they have good customer service though. B & D is no longer the
quality it was years ago. Serviceable stuff the the light user, but nothing
of interest for a tradesman.

Yes but the price reflects this. If a Panasonic or Makita drill cost
$150- $200 + and a B&D costs half to a third or a fourth as much it is
silly to expect a premium product. If people shelled out equivalent
dollars their complaints would be more credible.

Roland

Last thing, while at Lowe's I saw a Bosch reciprocating saw on sale
for a Christmas promotion, and it was made in China!


Doesn't surprise me, what's *not* made in China these days? I tried for a
while to avoid buying Chinese stuff then finally gave up. Another side of
this though, at the rate their economy is growing and ours (US) is sinking,
pretty soon it might not be cost effective to import from China and perhaps
either more stuff will be made here, or the Chinese stuff will improve
similar to Japanese products of the 70's and 80's though I think it's more
likely we'll just find some other third world country to build stuff.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:mnTsd.1647$mn6.1079@trnddc07...

| Last thing, while at Lowe's I saw a Bosch reciprocating saw on sale
| for a Christmas promotion, and it was made in China!
|
| Doesn't surprise me, what's *not* made in China these days? I tried for a
| while to avoid buying Chinese stuff then finally gave up. Another side of
| this though, at the rate their economy is growing and ours (US) is
sinking,
| pretty soon it might not be cost effective to import from China and
perhaps
| either more stuff will be made here, or the Chinese stuff will improve
| similar to Japanese products of the 70's and 80's though I think it's more
| likely we'll just find some other third world country to build stuff.

It's worse than you think. What happens if some terrorist puts a WMD in a
container headed for the US? Or explodes it inside the borders?

First, they shut down all the ports. All containers now must be inspected,
and before they leave the export country. It takes time to set all that up.
Now all the longshoremen are out of work. Then Wal-Mart and others run out
of goods. Oops, there goes the largest employer in the USA - laying off 90%
of staff and what happens to the other chains? And its not like they can
start up US manufacture quickly, after shipping all the machinery overseas.
Other businesses start to buckle from the losses. Next the US dollar starts
to fall fast due to internal pressures and external insecurities. Who holds
all the paper? China for one, and they're hurting with no exports, so they
call the notes. Welcome to the crash of '29 - times 10.

N

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:11:16 GMT, "NSM" wrote:


"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:mnTsd.1647$mn6.1079@trnddc07...

| Last thing, while at Lowe's I saw a Bosch reciprocating saw on sale
| for a Christmas promotion, and it was made in China!
|
| Doesn't surprise me, what's *not* made in China these days? I tried for a
| while to avoid buying Chinese stuff then finally gave up. Another side of
| this though, at the rate their economy is growing and ours (US) is
sinking,
| pretty soon it might not be cost effective to import from China and
perhaps
| either more stuff will be made here, or the Chinese stuff will improve
| similar to Japanese products of the 70's and 80's though I think it's more
| likely we'll just find some other third world country to build stuff.

It's worse than you think. What happens if some terrorist puts a WMD in a
container headed for the US? Or explodes it inside the borders?

First, they shut down all the ports. All containers now must be inspected,
and before they leave the export country. It takes time to set all that up.
Now all the longshoremen are out of work. Then Wal-Mart and others run out
of goods. Oops, there goes the largest employer in the USA - laying off 90%
of staff and what happens to the other chains? And its not like they can
start up US manufacture quickly, after shipping all the machinery overseas.
Other businesses start to buckle from the losses. Next the US dollar starts
to fall fast due to internal pressures and external insecurities. Who holds
all the paper? China for one, and they're hurting with no exports, so they
call the notes. Welcome to the crash of '29 - times 10.

N

Just more paranoid ramblings.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:13:07 GMT, Daniel Rudy
b0e1l2l3.4i5n6v7a8l9i0d1.2n3e4t5
wrote:

At about the time of 12/5/2004 5:04 AM, Edwin Pawlowski stated the
following:

. It had a keyless chuck. I have never
been fond of those things, but most hold if you burn the **** out of
your hand tightening them. Not this one. I dont hold anything.

Try using a rubber strap wrench to get it tight, better than scrubbing
your palms. Or at least use a shop rag wrapped around it.

Cheap keyless chucks are junk. OTOH, if you buy a $200 drill, they are
excellent.
Or simply replace it with a quality keyless chuck from a tool shop or
good hardware store. I've had fair luck using Jacob replacement
chucks.



Just goes to show you, you get what you pay for...usually. I'll spend
the money to by a quality peice of equipment that will give me years of
trouble free service vs. spending $20 for some chinese made peice of junk.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:


The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:




The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.



Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:35:16 -0500 Tekkie wrote in
Message id: :

You will note that this same company has bought Milwaukee Tools.

*sob*

"none" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:11:16 GMT, "NSM" wrote:

| It's worse than you think. What happens if some terrorist puts a WMD in a
| container headed for the US? Or explodes it inside the borders?
|
| First, they shut down all the ports. All containers now must be
inspected,
| and before they leave the export country. It takes time to set all that
up.
| Now all the longshoremen are out of work. Then Wal-Mart and others run
out
| of goods. Oops, there goes the largest employer in the USA - laying off
90%
| of staff and what happens to the other chains? And its not like they can
| start up US manufacture quickly, after shipping all the machinery
overseas.
| Other businesses start to buckle from the losses. Next the US dollar
starts
| to fall fast due to internal pressures and external insecurities. Who
holds
| all the paper? China for one, and they're hurting with no exports, so
they
| call the notes. Welcome to the crash of '29 - times 10.
|
| N
|
| Just more paranoid ramblings.

It isn't paranoia if they're really out to get you - and they are - and
they've done it before, twice. No amount of groping women in airports will
stop this form of attack.

N

It isn't paranoia if they're really out to get you - and they are - and
they've done it before, twice. No amount of groping women in airports will
stop this form of attack.

N



And they'll keep doing it, so what? You can live your life in terror if you
want but I'm gonna go on living and not let it get to me. I could get blown
up by some nutcase but then I could also be killed tinkering with
electricity, doesn't mean I'm gonna stop doing it. The thing is, there's an
unlimited supply of terrorists, chances are some live right under your nose,
if you fear them you give them power.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:59:38 GMT, "NSM" wrote:


"none" wrote in message
.. .
| On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:11:16 GMT, "NSM" wrote:

| It's worse than you think. What happens if some terrorist puts a WMD in a
| container headed for the US? Or explodes it inside the borders?
|
| First, they shut down all the ports. All containers now must be
inspected,
| and before they leave the export country. It takes time to set all that
up.
| Now all the longshoremen are out of work. Then Wal-Mart and others run
out
| of goods. Oops, there goes the largest employer in the USA - laying off
90%
| of staff and what happens to the other chains? And its not like they can
| start up US manufacture quickly, after shipping all the machinery
overseas.
| Other businesses start to buckle from the losses. Next the US dollar
starts
| to fall fast due to internal pressures and external insecurities. Who
holds
| all the paper? China for one, and they're hurting with no exports, so
they
| call the notes. Welcome to the crash of '29 - times 10.
|
| N
|
| Just more paranoid ramblings.

It isn't paranoia if they're really out to get you - and they are - and
they've done it before, twice. No amount of groping women in airports will
stop this form of attack.

N

If you really knew what you were talking about in regards to security
procedures on import shipments and the precautions/procedures taken we
might be able to have a intelligent discussion on the finer points of
"all the bogeymen you think are out to get us". But I doubt it. You
seem well brainwashed by all the propagandist copswallow put out by
the thief in chief and his cronies.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:19:32 -0500 willshak wrote in
Message id: :

On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:




The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.



Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.

I tried calling them, and the rep stated that if it still was functioning
there was nothing they could do. I told him that it was the last B&D
anything I'd ever buy. Like he cared...

On 12/7/2004 9:52 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:19:32 -0500 willshak wrote in
Message id: :



On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:



On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:






The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.




Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.



My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.



I tried calling them, and the rep stated that if it still was functioning
there was nothing they could do. I told him that it was the last B&D
anything I'd ever buy. Like he cared...


My B&D was bought just after B&D bought out the GE line of small
appliances. It had replaced a similar GE coffee maker and the only
difference between the two was the B&D label. Perhaps they still had the
GE mindset at the time.