In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



Uhhh, do you visit Earth much ??

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"Fred" wrote in message news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

Hi Fred
Black & Decker only mfe. light duty power tool,thus only for small litte job.
If you need long lasting tool you should have buy heavy duty tool eg. AEG power
tool I have one AEG 1/2"power drill use for twenty five years, which do not have
any problam,untill my friend did not return back to me after he borrow from me.

"mowhoong" wrote in message
om...
"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

Hi Fred
Black & Decker only mfe. light duty power tool,thus only for small litte
job.
If you need long lasting tool you should have buy heavy duty tool eg. AEG
power
tool I have one AEG 1/2"power drill use for twenty five years, which do
not have
any problam,untill my friend did not return back to me after he borrow
from me.

These were all used in light duty - extra light duty. They just haven't
held up to normal use. Thanks, but don't need 1/2" or larger tools.

In article Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03,
"Fred" wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I know they often get negative press.

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.


Roland

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.



My mom has one of those B&D cordless electric mowers and it actually works
very well, but when I picked it up (for free mind you) the stupid cable
operated switch was all messed up. I built a little controller with some
high current MOSFETs and screwed a microswitch to the handle so it's
activated by the original deadman bar, been working great ever since.

"Joe Doe" wrote in message


I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit

If it was truly good quality, it would not have to go back in for warranty
service. Twice.

Good to hear they have good customer service though. B & D is no longer the
quality it was years ago. Serviceable stuff the the light user, but nothing
of interest for a tradesman.

In article ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

"Joe Doe" wrote in message


I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit

If it was truly good quality, it would not have to go back in for warranty
service. Twice.

Which is why, I mentioned what the nature of the repairs were - I may
have unintentionally caused the first mishap (freewheeling motor which
did not drive the blade) by occasionally using the mower to mulch small
amounts of brush (very small - generally less than 1/2 inch brush).

The second time it failed only the brushes needed replacing. If I knew
it was not under warranty I would have tried to troubleshoot better and
probably have discovered it myself. Assuming it was under warranty I
did not bother to troubleshoot at all. Two years for a set of brushes
on a mower is not really that bad. Incidentally, before I bought this
mower I shared a B&D electric mower with a friend for about 5 years. It
did two yards of less than 5000 sq ft for that length of time and is
still in use at my friends home (now going on eight years). Over that
time, the deadman switch became a bit iffy (had to pull it way past the
natural stop to get the mower to run). The same service center
diagnosed this problem when I took my new mower in and sold me a $10
part for the repair of the old mower). I had a generally trouble free
eight years and avoided breathing gas fumes which alone is worth it to
me. I seriously doubt anybody with a gas mower could have a more trouble
free experience.

Based on my experience I really believe at least their corded electric
mower is a good product (for smaller yards) and hope my second one
continues to perform as well as the first.

The service center I went to was a DeWalt service center and they were
nothing but ultra professional - did not ask me to produce a receipt,
verified warranty status based on serial number, gave me a courtesy
discount on other stuff, threw in a new blade on the mower. All these
steps engender customer loyalty - they acknowledge the product should
not have failed and make small gestures in recognition of this. So
despite the torrent of negative press I am quite happy to defend Black
and Decker on at least this product and their after sales service as it
relates to this product.


Good to hear they have good customer service though. B & D is no longer the
quality it was years ago. Serviceable stuff the the light user, but nothing
of interest for a tradesman.

Yes but the price reflects this. If a Panasonic or Makita drill cost
$150- $200 + and a B&D costs half to a third or a fourth as much it is
silly to expect a premium product. If people shelled out equivalent
dollars their complaints would be more credible.

Roland

"Joe Doe" wrote in message
...
In article Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03,
"Fred" wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


I know they often get negative press.

I push their corded electric lawn mowers to people with small yards
(like myself).

I have taken my mower in twice for warranty work and was VERY well
treated (they put in a new blade gratis etc.). On the second visit I
asked when my warranty expired (two years theoretically) and they said
it had already expired two months back but they were extending it as a
courtesy. So I have to say I am quite pleased both with the mower and
how warranty work was handled. Regarding the need for warranty work:
the first time the motor would freewheel - I used to use the mower to
mulch fairly 1/2-3/4" sized branches and am not sure if it contributed
to early failure. The second visit needed new brushes.


Roland

Good to hear you found a good service shop. But taking in stuff for a repair
a year is not what I call good quality workmanship/design. I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago. I can cut my
grass twice on a single charge - 5,000 square feet each time. Good quality
mower, excellent manual and reasonably priced parts.

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. com...

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.



I have a Dremel-like tool by Ryobi and it's definitly not as nice as the
real thing. On the other hand, I got a cheap Ryobi router a few years ago
and while only used lightly I've never had any trouble with it. Overall they
seem to be about the same as B&D, some of their stuff is decent, some is
crappy, it's all relatively low end Chinese stuff.

Which ones do you have?

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. com...

"Fred" wrote in message


I have a Ryobi
electric mower and have never had one single trouble with it other than
having to replace the lead-acid battery about 5 years ago.

Good for you. I have two Ryobi tools. I'll never have another.

A few years ago i noticed aluminum wire in some B&D stuff

Check the cross-country power lines all over the country: They're aluminum
also. So...you're saying this is a good thing, right?

A few years ago i noticed aluminum wire in some B&D stuff

Depends on what you're doing. Aluminum wires don't carry as much current as
the same size copper - probably not a big deal with small power items.
Don't know much about the fatigue ,etc. I wouldn't use aluminum in
construction or panels, but probably fine in low power CRAP like BLACK AND
DECKER!!! (Had to get that shot in there!)

Fred

"WEBPA" wrote in message
...
Check the cross-country power lines all over the country: They're
aluminum
also. So...you're saying this is a good thing, right?

A few years ago i noticed aluminum wire in some B&D stuff

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



Black & Decker hasn't been any good throughout my lifetime, or most of it
anyway. Perhaps they were decent back in the 60's and 70's but I've had some
of their stuff since the 80's and while some hasn't broken, it all feels
cheap.

At about the time of 12/4/2004 11:04 AM, James Sweet stated the following:

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made

a

decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck

the

assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but

now

I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred




Black & Decker hasn't been any good throughout my lifetime, or most of it
anyway. Perhaps they were decent back in the 60's and 70's but I've had some
of their stuff since the 80's and while some hasn't broken, it all feels
cheap.



A co-worker of mine bought a very expensive B&D coffee maker. After 1
cup it shorted out.

As for power tools, I have a Makita angle grinder. Works great with no
problems. I'd buy another Makita power tool if I needed it.

--
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Remove all numbers, then remove invalid, email, no, and spam to reply.

Don't know about their tools, but I like their posters. B^)
"Daniel Rudy"

As for power tools, I have a Makita angle grinder. Works great with no
problems. I'd buy another Makita power tool if I needed it.

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



I quit buying their stuff long ago.

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"CJT" wrote in message
...
| Fred wrote:
| In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
| decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
| then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
| worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
| small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
| vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.
|
| The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
| assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
| I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

| I quit buying their stuff long ago.

Is it a real company, or just a brand for "Made in China"?

N

They bought GE appliances a few years ago and since then it has been
down hill.

CJT wrote:

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



I quit buying their stuff long ago.

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No kidding! I thought GE still made them.

"rae baker" wrote in message
...
They bought GE appliances a few years ago and since then it has been
down hill.

CJT wrote:

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small
drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The
replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for
a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle
off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to
suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good,
but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



I quit buying their stuff long ago.

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On 12/29/2004 11:18 PM US(ET), Fred took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

No kidding! I thought GE still made them.


B&D bought GE's small appliance division, not the large appliance
division. The small appliances are probably still made in the former GE
plants with former GE workers.

"rae baker" wrote in message
...


They bought GE appliances a few years ago and since then it has been
down hill.

CJT wrote:


Fred wrote:


In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't


made a


decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small


drills,


then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The


replacement


worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for


a


small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle


off


vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to


suck the


assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good,


but now


I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred




I quit buying their stuff long ago.

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"willshak" wrote in message
...
On 12/29/2004 11:18 PM US(ET), Fred took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

No kidding! I thought GE still made them.


B&D bought GE's small appliance division, not the large appliance
division. The small appliances are probably still made in the former GE
plants with former GE workers...

....which are probably all in China.

jak

Fred wrote:
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't
made a decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their
small drills, then returned it when the motor seized up after 2
months. The replacement worked for a year, then the motor developed
an open circuit. Same for a small jig saw -- the blade moved up and
down at about a 5-degree angle off vertical. The same for a small
electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to
suck the assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be
quite good, but now I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

My neighbor had the same problem. Then his wife pointed out that he only
turned on for about two minutes, moved up and down at the wrong angle, and
could never seem to get the job done to her satisfaction.

"JerryMouse" wrote in message news:0I-dnd3Hlrjyri_cRVn-

My neighbor had the same problem. Then his wife pointed out that he only
turned on for about two minutes, moved up and down at the wrong angle, and
could never seem to get the job done to her satisfaction.

Tell him to try viagra.

"Fred" wrote in message
news:Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03...
In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



They sold their soul to WalMart, cycles of build it cheaper.

"Hugh Prescott" wrote in message
...

| They sold their soul to WalMart, cycles of build it cheaper.

Have you seen that TV show about Wal-Mart where they get the sellers into
little rooms then screw them down until they move to China or go bankrupt?

N

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:


The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:




The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.



Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:19:32 -0500 willshak wrote in
Message id: :

On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:




The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.



Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.

I tried calling them, and the rep stated that if it still was functioning
there was nothing they could do. I told him that it was the last B&D
anything I'd ever buy. Like he cared...

On 12/7/2004 9:52 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:19:32 -0500 willshak wrote in
Message id: :



On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:



On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:






The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.




Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.



My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.



I tried calling them, and the rep stated that if it still was functioning
there was nothing they could do. I told him that it was the last B&D
anything I'd ever buy. Like he cared...


My B&D was bought just after B&D bought out the GE line of small
appliances. It had replaced a similar GE coffee maker and the only
difference between the two was the B&D label. Perhaps they still had the
GE mindset at the time.

"JW" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:19:32 -0500 willshak wrote in
Message id: :

On 12/6/2004 11:51 AM US(ET), JW took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT "Fred"
wrote in Message id: Yicsd.678$S33.563@trnddc03:




The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.



Ditto. My B&D coffepot's heating plate rotted out after 9 months or so,
and the little valve thing on the basket that allows you to get a cup
while it's brewing leaked like a sieve after 2 months.

My B&D coffee maker's LCD readout became very dim and couldn't be read.
I called B&D and they told me to cut off the power cord as close to the
machine as possible and send it to them. I did, and they sent me a new
coffee maker. I saved the old pot and other parts for spares.

I tried calling them, and the rep stated that if it still was functioning
there was nothing they could do. I told him that it was the last B&D
anything I'd ever buy. Like he cared...

Should have called back the next day and said it was completely broken,
likely they'd never even check.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:55:04 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred


Growing up, everything my dad ever bought made by black&decker broke
way too early.
He swore he never bought b&d again and hasn't
Makita is his preference.

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"Fred" wrote in message
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In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred



My B&D battery operated drill worked for about an hour then it went to the
trash bin which is about as good as Sear's Craftsman drills.

With that said, B&D foldable table (Workmate) is extremely useful and
couldn't go without one on a jobsite, the old professional 10" chop saw is
pretty good and could take a lot of abuse and it would be hard to find a
better circular saw than the worm drive B&D.

Black and Decker went down the toilet when DeWalt bought them out.



"Fred" wrote in message
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In my experience over the past 5 years or so, Black & Decker haven't made
a
decent electric tool/appliance. I have bought one of their small drills,
then returned it when the motor seized up after 2 months. The replacement
worked for a year, then the motor developed an open circuit. Same for a
small jig saw -- the blade moved up and down at about a 5-degree angle off
vertical. The same for a small electric screwdriver.

The company must have been taken over by some Wall Street group to suck
the
assets out of it, I don't know. Their stuff used to be quite good, but
now
I wouldn't touch any of their stuff, sorry to say.

Fred

In article ETPud.556580$D%.382107@attbi_s51,
"Oscar_Lives" wrote:

Black and Decker went down the toilet when DeWalt bought them out.



According to the corporate history Black and Decker bought DeWalt in
1960.

See:

http://www.blackanddecker.co.uk/abou...ut=&ToolSectio
n=

Other brands they own are Price Pfister, Kwikset and Emhart.


Clearly the B&D tool line is a low end line and should be compared to
other low end lines like Ryobi, Harbor Freight etc. etc. People
comparing B&D performance to DeWalt, Milwaukee, Porter Cable etc. makes
no sense. It is like paying for a Toyota Tercel and expecting a Lexus.

Black and Decker itself makes this distinction on its home page where it
refers to the B&D line as a consumer line and the DeWalt line as a
"high-peformance" line.

They state:

"The Power Tools and Accessories segment manufactures and markets
consumer power tools, accessories, electric lawn and garden tools, and
electric cleaning and lighting products under the Black & Decker brand,
and high-performance power tools, accessories, industrial equipment,
laser products and air compressors under the DEWALT brand."

See the section on business segments at:

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir...DK&script=2100

"Joe Doe" wrote

Clearly the B&D tool line is a low end line and should be compared to
other low end lines like Ryobi, Harbor Freight etc. etc. People
comparing B&D performance to DeWalt, Milwaukee, Porter Cable etc. makes
no sense. It is like paying for a Toyota Tercel and expecting a Lexus.

Nobody's comparing anything. 3 out of the 4 B&D small power tools I have
bought in the past 5 years worked for less than 3 months each under normal
conditions. I don't think it's too much to ask that a product actually
WORK THE WAY IT WAS ADVERTISED!???

Black and Decker itself makes this distinction on its home page where it
refers to the B&D line as a consumer line and the DeWalt line as a
"high-peformance" line.

This is just B&D's way of saying "we told you so" and trying to prevent
unhappy consumers returning the products when they fail. Lazy or passive
people won't take the time to return a $30 item if it has worked for 2-3
months. They figure, "hey, I did get 2-3 month out of it, so that's OK."

I have had good experiences with B & D products. They are certainly not
commercial grade tools, but they seem to be at least a little better than
the typical consumer crap otherwise available, mostly. It varies with the
item. I just look at the options and try to pick the best one. If it
appears to be B & D, then so be it. Thus far I have found them to be
acceptable consumer grade products.

Leonard


"Fred" wrote in message
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"Joe Doe" wrote

Clearly the B&D tool line is a low end line and should be compared to
other low end lines like Ryobi, Harbor Freight etc. etc. People
comparing B&D performance to DeWalt, Milwaukee, Porter Cable etc. makes
no sense. It is like paying for a Toyota Tercel and expecting a Lexus.

Nobody's comparing anything. 3 out of the 4 B&D small power tools I have
bought in the past 5 years worked for less than 3 months each under normal
conditions. I don't think it's too much to ask that a product actually
WORK THE WAY IT WAS ADVERTISED!???

Black and Decker itself makes this distinction on its home page where it
refers to the B&D line as a consumer line and the DeWalt line as a
"high-peformance" line.

This is just B&D's way of saying "we told you so" and trying to prevent
unhappy consumers returning the products when they fail. Lazy or passive
people won't take the time to return a $30 item if it has worked for 2-3
months. They figure, "hey, I did get 2-3 month out of it, so that's OK."

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote
They are certainly not
commercial grade tools, but they seem to be at least a little better than
the typical consumer crap otherwise available, mostly.

A good motto for them!!