I have a need for a site that describes this procedure, thanks in
advance.

ctops.legal

On Apr 18, 12:41 pm, "ctops.legal" wrote:
I have a need for a site that describes this procedure, thanks in
advance.

ctops.legal

If you want to make a cable with male connectors on both ends, nothing
but wire in the middle, then transfer data from one computer to
another: Not possible. Don't remember the details, but the USB
standard makes it physically impossible. There must be an active
device in the middle of the cable. But don't take my word for it.
Google "usb data transfer", etc. There are many on the market.

See if www.si87.com has what you need.
cuhulin

I would not advise USB to USB to transfer files. USB was not designed
for this.

It is best done through the Ethernet port. There is a lot of
information available about how to make a simple network between two
computers for transfering files.


Jerry G.
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advance.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ctops.legal

USB is a master/slave connection, and your intent is to connect
two masters. It can be done, by a cable that supports a
dual-port memory which is a slave to both the masters.
And, some software.

However, a peer-to-peer connection is far easier and can
generalize to more than two computers. Firewire and Ethernet
and variations on WiFi are the best choices here.

Those little USB keychain flash drives are widely available,
inexpensive
and completely supported by modern OS software. Use them if
it has to be a USB solution.

Greetings "ctops.legal" et. al...

I couldn't agree with Jerry more! Even if configured for data
transfer, USB is bandwidth limited for data of any substantial
size. This is why our networks have notoriously been Ethernet
based. The good thing about two computers that sport an Ethernet
connection is you don't require a hub or a switch if you merely
want to connect the two together.

In front of me right now is a Belkin package for a CAT5e
Crossover cable M/N: T3532G/A. Many other companies are making
the same type of cable - probably for less money. Connect this
cable between two computers having an Ethernet port and you'll
typically have 10 or 100MBit/sec. connection and something less
than that regarding the actual data transfer, considering the
overhead, but it will usually be more than adequate for PC use.
This is the way to establish data transfer at a better bandwidth
with a protocol that was established for broadband reliable data
transfer.

Cheers,
Mr. Mentor


"Jerry G." wrote in message
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I would not advise USB to USB to transfer files. USB was not
designed
for this.

It is best done through the Ethernet port. There is a lot of
information available about how to make a simple network between
two
computers for transfering files.


Jerry G.
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On Apr 18, 2:41 pm, "ctops.legal" wrote:
I have a need for a site that describes this procedure, thanks
in
advance.

ctops.legal

dBc wrote:

Greetings "ctops.legal" et. al...

I couldn't agree with Jerry more! Even if configured for data
transfer, USB is bandwidth limited for data of any substantial
size. This is why our networks have notoriously been Ethernet
based. The good thing about two computers that sport an Ethernet
connection is you don't require a hub or a switch if you merely
want to connect the two together.

In front of me right now is a Belkin package for a CAT5e
Crossover cable M/N: T3532G/A. Many other companies are making
the same type of cable - probably for less money. Connect this
cable between two computers having an Ethernet port and you'll
typically have 10 or 100MBit/sec. connection and something less
than that regarding the actual data transfer, considering the
overhead, but it will usually be more than adequate for PC use.
This is the way to establish data transfer at a better bandwidth
with a protocol that was established for broadband reliable data
transfer.


That's ok if both computers have an Ethernet port. If they don't, you
have to install a network card, and configure them to the same networks.
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax. I gave them to friends who wanted to borrow the expensive
one, and they worked fine.

http://www.usb.org/about/usb_nomenclature states that USB currently has
a maximum data rate of 480 Mb/s, or almost five times that of 100 Mb/s
Ethernet. Also, keep in mind that the actual data rates are about 20
MB/s and 40 MB/s

These are both burst rates, because no PC can maintain those data
rates on a continuous basis.


Cheers,
Mr. Mentor


If you want to claim 'mentor' status, please give all the facts, not
just your personal preferences. If someone wants to copy an entire hard
drive, there are better ways, but to move some files between computers,
either works OK. In the shop, I use a USB wireless internet to install
software from the shop server, since there are places I haven't finished
the network cabling. I have the advantage of being able to set up a
computer anywhere there is enough space to work, without worrying about
finding a free ethernet port.

http://www.lyberty.com/tech/terms/usb.html has a comparison chart for
the common interfaces, and versions.

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I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax.

snip

Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin

Michael

msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax.

snip

Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin

Michael


No, they were USB to USB cables with a processor. I haven't seen any
for about six months, but I think I might have one left, and hiding
somewhere in the 1000+ spare cables in the shop.

I have bought USb to ethernet adapters for under $10, though.


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On Apr 26, 7:41 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax.

snip

Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin

Michael

No, they were USB to USB cables with a processor. I haven't seen any
for about six months, but I think I might have one left, and hiding
somewhere in the 1000+ spare cables in the shop.

I have bought USb to Ethernet adapters for under $10, though.

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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-data-link-file-
transfer-cable-uc250.htm

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
ctops.legal

On Apr 26, 7:41 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax.

snip

Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin

Michael

No, they were USB to USB cables with a processor. I haven't seen any
for about six months, but I think I might have one left, and hiding
somewhere in the 1000+ spare cables in the shop.

I have bought USb to ethernet adapters for under $10, though.

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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-
http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-da...able-uc250.htm

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
ctops.legal

ctops.legal wrote:
On Apr 26, 7:41 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
snip
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and works in
minutes, without changing the network configuration. It has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I have found
a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store, for a dollar, plus
sales tax.
snip
Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin
Michael
No, they were USB to USB cables with a processor. I haven't seen any
for about six months, but I think I might have one left, and hiding
somewhere in the 1000+ spare cables in the shop.

I have bought USb to Ethernet adapters for under $10, though.

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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-data-link-file-
transfer-cable-uc250.htm

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
ctops.legal

Give it up. If you could do it, there wouldn't be big lumps of electronics
in the middle of usb link cables.
You couldn't possibly build the hardware for the $12 shipped it would cost
to buy one. And the software is yet another problem.

http://ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA3004.htm
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ctops.legal wrote:

On Apr 26, 7:41 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
I have the software and active USB interface that installs and
works in minutes, without changing the network configuration. It
has a USB power
processor that handles the data transfer, and handshaking. I
have found a cheap one that works OK at a 'Dollar Tree' store,
for a dollar, plus sales tax.

snip

Wow, you mean to say that you have purchased USB Ethernet adapters
for
one dollar at the Dollar Tree? I'll bet you get a few requests for
trips to that store from here on... grin

Michael

No, they were USB to USB cables with a processor. I haven't seen
any
for about six months, but I think I might have one left, and hiding
somewhere in the 1000+ spare cables in the shop.

I have bought USb to ethernet adapters for under $10, though.

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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-

http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-da...able-uc250.htm

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
ctops.legal
Laplink recently gave one away on the front of a magazine. Little
silver box in the middle ! Says "Laplink USB 1.1, Made in China"
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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-
http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-da...able-uc250.htm

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
ctops.legal


Then go to the OEM websites and find out who makes the chipset, then
spend a couple thousand dollars for the development kit, and pay the
license fees. USB isn't a simple cable interface, and USB 2.0 is even
harder to get working.

start here, but you'll spend a lot more than if you just bought the
interface already built. http://www.lvr.com/usbc.htm


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On May 13, 6:58*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Yea I know all that I am trying to find the hardware that make the USB
x USB work, see-
http://www.usb-ware.com/usb-2-usb-da...er-cable-uc250...

There about $35.00 right down the street I want to make my own, there
must be a do it yourself site or blog somewhere, an ethernet
connection would require 2 complicated drivers and compatibility
issues with Vista units and older systems, plus it's my hobby, thanks
guys.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *ctops.legal

* *Then go to the OEM websites and find out who makes the chipset, then
spend a couple thousand dollars for the development kit, and pay the
license fees. *USB isn't a simple cable interface, and USB 2.0 is even
harder to get working.

* *start here, but you'll spend a lot more than if you just bought the
interface already built. http://www.lvr.com/usbc.htm

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Hey I will just buy the interface cable and go into the interface
hardware that's the easy way, all the reading don't get to the problem
ALWAYS find a simple way, I guess the caveman had to break a s**tload
of rocks before he found one that would roll, thanks guys.


ctops.legal

"ctops.legal" wrote:

Hey I will just buy the interface cable and go into the interface
hardware that's the easy way, all the reading don't get to the problem
ALWAYS find a simple way, I guess the caveman had to break a s**tload
of rocks before he found one that would roll, thanks guys.


ctops.legal


Idiot.


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"ctops.legal" wrote:

Hey I will just buy the interface cable and go into the interface
hardware that's the easy way, all the reading don't get to the problem
ALWAYS find a simple way, I guess the caveman had to break a s**tload
of rocks before he found one that would roll, thanks guys.

ctops.legal

* Idiot.

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Come on now "Idiot. " that was uncalled for, see 1. our internet
signal is different than most of the rest of Comcast's other customers
in other parts of the US, we get a we get a TPV 6 (TPT/IPv6) Ethernet,
with a max dl @ 900 kbs, USB configuration is about 1/2 of that, 10
years ago the area got a non-Fiber-optic cable it's somethins else
similar but not the same, USB to wireless is about 2 times the dl rate
as dial-up, I am going to talk to a guy everybody knows around here
called Doc. he can build anything electronic, thanks guys I just
wanted to find out some simple information not start a argument over
USB v Ethernet/wireless.

ctops.legal

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On May 15, 3:20 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote:

Hey I will just buy the interface cable and go into the interface
hardware that's the easy way, all the reading don't get to the problem
ALWAYS find a simple way, I guess the caveman had to break a s**tload
of rocks before he found one that would roll, thanks guys.

ctops.legal

Idiot.

Come on now "Idiot.


Yes. Idiot. I pointed you to the resources required to design a USB
product, and you ignored them. Making a wheel from a rock was a lot
easier. You didn't have to pay anyone for the right to use it after you
made it, either.


" that was uncalled for, see 1. our internet
signal is different than most of the rest of Comcast's other customers
in other parts of the US, we get a we get a TPV 6 (TPT/IPv6) Ethernet,
with a max dl @ 900 kbs, USB configuration is about 1/2 of that, 10
years ago the area got a non-Fiber-optic cable it's somethins else
similar but not the same, USB to wireless is about 2 times the dl rate
as dial-up, I am going to talk to a guy everybody knows around here
called Doc. he can build anything electronic, thanks guys I just
wanted to find out some simple information not start a argument over
USB v Ethernet/wireless.

ctops.legal


Want to bet? You have to pay a fee to register a USB device, sign
"Non Disclosure Agreements" and pay for the development tools. Unless he
is already designing USB products that is a very big NRE. I spent years
in electronic design and manufacturing, and saw what an expensive mess
USB product development was. For a one off you are better off to buy
something. If you think you an build and sell a million units for less
than the Chinese, you are truly insane.

As far as your lame caveman comment: You're watching way too many
Geico commercials. It reminds me of Gary Larson's 'Farside' caveman
plumber cartoon. There are two cavemen looking into a hole, and a roll
of toilet paper is on a stick. One caveman says to the other, "Ug! This
not be cheap!"


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On May 20, 10:30*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
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On May 15, 3:20 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote:

Hey I will just buy the interface cable and go into the interface
hardware that's the easy way, all the reading don't get to the problem
ALWAYS find a simple way, I guess the caveman had to break a s**tload
of rocks before he found one that would roll, thanks guys.

ctops.legal

* Idiot.

*Come on now "Idiot.

* *Yes. *Idiot. *I pointed you to the resources required to design a USB
product, and you ignored them. *Making a wheel from a rock was a lot
easier. *You didn't have to pay anyone for the right to use it after you
made it, either.

" that was uncalled for, see 1. our internet
signal is different than most of the rest of Comcast's other customers
in other parts of the US, we get a we get a TPV 6 (TPT/IPv6) Ethernet,
with a max dl @ 900 kbs, USB configuration is about 1/2 of that, 10
years ago the area got a non-Fiber-optic cable it's somethins else
similar but not the same, USB to wireless is about 2 times the dl rate
as dial-up, I am going to talk to a guy everybody knows around here
called Doc. he can build anything electronic, thanks guys I just
wanted to find out some simple information not start a argument over
USB v Ethernet/wireless.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *ctops.legal

* *Want to bet? *You have to pay a fee to register a USB device, sign
"Non Disclosure Agreements" and pay for the development tools. Unless he
is already designing USB products that is a very big NRE. *I spent years
in electronic design and manufacturing, and saw what an expensive mess
USB product development was. *For a one off you are better off to buy
something. *If you think you an build and sell a million units for less
than the Chinese, you are truly insane.

* *As far as your lame caveman comment: *You're watching way too many
Geico commercials. *It reminds me of Gary Larson's 'Farside' caveman
plumber cartoon. There are two cavemen looking into a hole, and a roll
of toilet paper is on a stick. One caveman says to the other, "Ug! This
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I admit it was lame, and I can see youe a software tech, I can't hold
a candle up against you my friend, honestly it was google that helped
put a bunch of dirty cops against me in 2001 cost me 5 years I didn't
owe, I have learned I'm sorry buy I'm playing catch-up if I could post
with true anonymity via newserver I would, I got access to 5 or 6
services, you know software that will do that please let me know, I
don't hold google responseable for me getting railroaded" I should
have had the knowledge" as youn seem to do, you seem like a very smart
person I'm sorry I disrespected you, I'm not trying to make $ I
discuss here because you guys know your s**t, I mean no disrespect.

ctops.legal

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I admit it was lame, and I can see youe a software tech, I can't hold
a candle up against you my friend, honestly it was Google that helped
put a bunch of dirty cops against me in 2001 cost me 5 years I didn't
owe, I have learned I'm sorry buy I'm playing catch-up if I could post
with true anonymity via newserver I would, I got access to 5 or 6
services, you know software that will do that please let me know, I
don't hold google responseable for me getting railroaded" I should
have had the knowledge" as you seem to do, you seem like a very smart
person I'm sorry I disrespected you, I'm not trying to make $ I
discuss here because you guys know your s**t, I mean no disrespect.

ctops.legal



Follow the links I posted earlier. You will see it isn't a simple, or
reasonably priced task. One of the rules of design is to know when to
buy, rather than build.

Also, a design project shold be on either news:sci.electronics.basics
or news:sci.electronics.design Both groups are availible on Google
Groups, but most of the posters there are trying to learn, or
profesional designers and won't waste time with anyone with a bad
attitude.


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I admit it was lame, and I can see youe a software tech, I can't hold
a candle up against you my friend, honestly it was Google that helped
put a bunch of dirty cops against me in 2001 cost me 5 years I didn't
owe, I have learned I'm sorry buy I'm playing catch-up if I could post
with true anonymity via newserver I would, I got access to 5 or 6
services, you know software that will do that please let me know, I
don't hold google responseable for me getting railroaded" I should
have had the knowledge" as you seem to do, you seem like a very smart
person I'm sorry I disrespected you, I'm not trying to make $ I
discuss here because you guys know your s**t, I mean no disrespect.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ctops.legal

* *Follow the links I posted earlier. You will see it isn't a simple, or
reasonably priced task. *One of the rules of design is to know when to
buy, rather than build.

* *Also, a design project shold be on either news:sci.electronics.basics
or news:sci.electronics.design Both groups are availible on Google
Groups, but most of the posters there are trying to learn, or
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Well I hate to say it but google searchs bring people to discussions,
I have never found a good news client N/B Pro is good binary files
client, but as far as posting I have yet to find a client that will
allow anonymous posting, you know one ?

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Well I hate to say it but google searchs bring people to discussions,
I have never found a good news client N/B Pro is good binary files
client, but as far as posting I have yet to find a client that will
allow anonymous posting, you know one ?


I've never looked for one. BTW, Google isn't anonymous. A couple
phone calls, and they will reveal your information to the police.


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Well I hate to say it but google searchs bring people to discussions,
I have never found a good news client N/B Pro is good binary files
client, but as far as posting I have yet to find a client that will
allow anonymous posting, you know one ?

* *I've never looked for one. *BTW, Google isn't anonymous. A couple
phone calls, and they will reveal your information to the police.

--http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account:http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
Yea all ISP's and Yahoo, Google, you name it, I get Spam in my Fax,
know anyway to stop that ?

"ctops.legal" wrote:

On May 21, 11:34 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote:

Well I hate to say it but google searchs bring people to discussions,
I have never found a good news client N/B Pro is good binary files
client, but as far as posting I have yet to find a client that will
allow anonymous posting, you know one ?

I've never looked for one. BTW, Google isn't anonymous. A couple
phone calls, and they will reveal your information to the police.

--http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account:http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
Yea all ISP's and Yahoo, Google, you name it, I get Spam in my Fax,
know anyway to stop that ?


Send it back to them, followed by 20 pages of black paper all taped
end to end. It uses up lots of their ink or toner and paper. When they
see what it costs them, they'll stop.


--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html


Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
m:


"ctops.legal" wrote:

On May 21, 11:34 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote:
.....I get Spam in my Fax,
know anyway to stop that ?


Send it back to them, followed by 20 pages of black paper all taped
end to end. It uses up lots of their ink or toner and paper. When they
see what it costs them, they'll stop.

Report them to the FCC. Recently FAX spammers have been fined tens of
thousands of dollars.

You can also SUE the FAX spammer in small claims court.

Google for
fax spammer fined





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infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

bz wrote:

Report them to the FCC. Recently FAX spammers have been fined tens of
thousands of dollars.

You can also SUE the FAX spammer in small claims court.

Google for
fax spammer fined


That only works for people in the US. My method works anywhere.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
:

bz wrote:

Report them to the FCC. Recently FAX spammers have been fined tens of
thousands of dollars.

You can also SUE the FAX spammer in small claims court.

Google for
fax spammer fined


That only works for people in the US. My method works anywhere.

You don't have to live in a country to sue in that country nor to report
law violators in that country to regulators in that country.

That said, I did stop a 'junk faxer' a couple of years ago by a somewhat
similar method.
They were sending 'pump and dump' stock tip faxes, with a 1 800 number at
the bottom to 'opt out'.
Of course, opting out had no effect...or rather confirmed your phone number
to the junk faxers.

I know this because I tried a couple of times and just got more junk faxes.

So I programmed my computer to repeatedly call the 'opt out' number and
'press the right buttons to "opt out"'.
Repeatedly.
Over and over.
All night long.

I think I only had to run it a couple of nights before they stopped hitting
my fax machine.





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bz

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infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

On May 23, 8:08*am, bz wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote :

bz wrote:

Report them to the FCC. Recently FAX spammers have been fined tens of
thousands of dollars.

You can also SUE the FAX spammer in small claims court.

Google for
fax spammer fined

* *That only works for people in the US. *My method works anywhere..

You don't have to live in a country to sue in that country nor to report
law violators in that country to regulators in that country.

That said, I did stop a 'junk faxer' a couple of years ago by a somewhat
similar method.
They were sending 'pump and dump' stock tip faxes, with a 1 800 number at
the bottom to 'opt out'.
Of course, opting out had no effect...or rather confirmed your phone number
to the junk faxers.

I know this because I tried a couple of times and just got more junk faxes..

So I programmed my computer to repeatedly call the 'opt out' number and
'press the right buttons to "opt out"'.
Repeatedly.
Over and over.
All night long.

I think I only had to run it a couple of nights before they stopped hitting
my fax machine.

--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

* remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

Mike you really hate spam don't you, I am just curious you in the
UK ?, and you don't have "infinite ignorance" your an intense
individual I like that and where I'm at complaints from private
citizens are like standing on top of Mt. Everest (alone) and yelling
for a cup of hot chocolate, if you don't fine a law suit you can't
even get access to basic public records. Honestly spam is not a big
problem here in the US, there is to many scamers trying to prey on old
people that can't even start a computer, crack dealers are more
ethecial than most lawyers, judges make up there own sets of rules for
the court, complaints what a joke, what you say, oh nyea my friend is
making me a USB x USB interface he said it's simple and it's will be
tweaked, see you can make any hardware you want in the US just don't
try to make $ on it., hey what's up with Google's new "Validation: For
verification purposes please type the characters you see in the
picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility
icon" deal ?

ctops.legal

"ctops.legal" wrote in message
...
On May 23, 8:08 am, bz wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote
:

bz wrote:

Report them to the FCC. Recently FAX spammers have been fined tens of
thousands of dollars.

You can also SUE the FAX spammer in small claims court.

Google for
fax spammer fined

That only works for people in the US. My method works anywhere.

You don't have to live in a country to sue in that country nor to report
law violators in that country to regulators in that country.

That said, I did stop a 'junk faxer' a couple of years ago by a somewhat
similar method.
They were sending 'pump and dump' stock tip faxes, with a 1 800 number at
the bottom to 'opt out'.
Of course, opting out had no effect...or rather confirmed your phone
number
to the junk faxers.

I know this because I tried a couple of times and just got more junk
faxes.

So I programmed my computer to repeatedly call the 'opt out' number and
'press the right buttons to "opt out"'.
Repeatedly.
Over and over.
All night long.

I think I only had to run it a couple of nights before they stopped
hitting
my fax machine.

--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is
an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

Mike you really hate spam don't you, I am just curious you in the
UK ?, and you don't have "infinite ignorance" your an intense
individual I like that and where I'm at complaints from private
citizens are like standing on top of Mt. Everest (alone) and yelling
for a cup of hot chocolate, if you don't fine a law suit you can't
even get access to basic public records. Honestly spam is not a big
problem here in the US, there is to many scamers trying to prey on old
people that can't even start a computer, crack dealers are more
ethecial than most lawyers, judges make up there own sets of rules for
the court, complaints what a joke, what you say, oh nyea my friend is
making me a USB x USB interface he said it's simple and it's will be
tweaked, see you can make any hardware you want in the US just don't
try to make $ on it., hey what's up with Google's new "Validation: For
verification purposes please type the characters you see in the
picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility
icon" deal ?

ctops.legal

Hey Gov.
You didn't even mention the Donkeys and Elephants fighting head to head
to get into more of their public's pockets. EH!! Cheers

Mike you really hate spam don't you, I am just curious you in the
UK ?, and you don't have "infinite ignorance" your an intense
individual I like that and where I'm at complaints from private
citizens are like standing on top of Mt. Everest (alone) and yelling
for a cup of hot chocolate, if you don't fine a law suit you can't
even get access to basic public records. Honestly spam is not a big
problem here in the US, there is to many scamers trying to prey on old
people that can't even start a computer, crack dealers are more
ethecial than most lawyers, judges make up there own sets of rules for
the court, complaints what a joke, what you say, oh nyea my friend is
making me a USB x USB interface he said it's simple and it's will be
tweaked, see you can make any hardware you want in the US just don't
try to make $ on it., hey what's up with Google's new "Validation: For
verification purposes please type the characters you see in the
picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility
icon" deal ?

ctops.legal



I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another.

James Sweet wrote:

I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another.


I use 'Mailwasher' to bounce the garbage as undeliverable. If they
are expecting to do business with their email address, the more bounced
mail, the better to plug their inbox and prevent real customers from
contacting them. I have never abandoned an e-mail address, but I have
had to change ISPs quite a few times as they went out of business, or
couldn't tell the truth about their technical problems. That old, "The
problem is on your end" doesn't work when you have a half dozen working
computers that have the same problem, all at once.


.. I still have my Netscape E-mail address that is at least ten years
old. That account was created two days after I went online. The E-mail
account from my ISP received 13 identical pieces of spam the first day,
so I replied to every one of them, telling them what to do with their
'custom painted hardhats'. I got a nasty email back, telling me that I
had no right to 'spam them' with thirteen replies becasue it filled
their tiny inbox, but they were within their rights to send me e-mail
because they were in business. I told them they had sent me 13 pieces of
their crap advertising, and the next time I would send two replies. A
third time would get for, and continue to go up, by the power of two. I
never got another e-mail from them. ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"ctops.legal" wrote:

Mike you really hate spam don't you, I am just curious you in the
UK ?, and you don't have "infinite ignorance" your an intense
individual I like that and where I'm at complaints from private
citizens are like standing on top of Mt. Everest (alone) and yelling
for a cup of hot chocolate, if you don't fine a law suit you can't
even get access to basic public records. Honestly spam is not a big
problem here in the US, there is to many scamers trying to prey on old
people that can't even start a computer, crack dealers are more
ethecial than most lawyers, judges make up there own sets of rules for
the court, complaints what a joke, what you say, oh nyea my friend is
making me a USB x USB interface he said it's simple and it's will be
tweaked, see you can make any hardware you want in the US just don't
try to make $ on it., hey what's up with Google's new "Validation: For
verification purposes please type the characters you see in the
picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility
icon" deal ?

ctops.legal


Yes, I am in the US, and I hate spam. As far as tracking down public
information, I do fairly well. I had a friend selling pet supplies at a
flea market who was being harassed by another dealer who bragged that no
one would ever find out where she lived. We got her full name, and
within 15 minutes online I had found her street address on an open
database, and printed out a map for my friends. Then they drove up and
down the street a few times, till they were sure they saw the woman
peeking out her front door at their marked vehicle.


The change at Google is because spammers have developed automated
software to create new accounts. The change slows them down, because
they have to crack a 'captcha' (The graphic you have to decode and type
in) for every message they post. So far it's working, because what spam
I am seeing today is mostly posted from other news servers.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
:

James Sweet wrote:

I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another.


I use 'Mailwasher' to bounce the garbage as undeliverable.

NO!!!!!
NEVER bounce mail unless you can _guarantee_ that it goes to the ACTUAL
sender!!!!

Bouncing mail is an abuse of the INTERNET and should NEVER be done.

What if [as is very common] the spammer is using a forged return / senders
address????
You end up clobbering some innocent soul's inbox.

Some spammers purposely use bouncers to 'forward' their spam.

Many viruses use bouncers or even faked bounces to try to get their virus
infected e-mail to someone that will open it.
http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html


If they
are expecting to do business with their email address, the more bounced
mail, the better to plug their inbox and prevent real customers from
contacting them.

..... snipped a case where bouncing WAS justified. Such cases are very rare.

Usually it is better to report spammers to their ISP and let the ISP deal
with them. If you do ANYTHING to let the spammer know that your e-mail
address works, you are just inviting them to sell your address to other
spammers.

By the way, spamcop can be used to report spam. Sometimes it helps.


--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

On May 23, 7:19*pm, James Sweet wrote:
Mike you really hate spam don't you, I am just curious you in the
UK ?, and you don't have "infinite ignorance" your an intense
individual I like that and where I'm at complaints from private
citizens are like standing on top of Mt. Everest (alone) and yelling
for a cup of hot chocolate, if you don't fine a law suit you can't
even get access to basic public records. Honestly spam is not a big
problem here in the US, there is to many scamers trying to prey on old
people that can't even start a computer, crack dealers are more
ethecial than most lawyers, judges make up there own sets of rules for
the court, complaints what a joke, what you say, oh nyea my friend is
making me a USB x USB interface he said it's simple and it's will be
tweaked, see you can make any hardware you want in the US just don't
try to make $ on it., hey what's up with Google's new "Validation: For
verification purposes please type the characters you see in the
picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility
icon" deal ?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ctops.legal

I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree gmail, spam not a problem.

On May 24, 6:15*am, bz wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote :

James Sweet wrote:

I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another..

* *I use 'Mailwasher' to bounce the garbage as undeliverable.

*NO!!!!!
NEVER bounce mail unless you can _guarantee_ that it goes to the ACTUAL
sender!!!!

Bouncing mail is an abuse of the INTERNET and should NEVER be done.

What if [as is very common] the spammer is using a forged return / senders
address????
You end up clobbering some innocent soul's inbox.

Some spammers purposely use bouncers to 'forward' their spam.

Many viruses use bouncers or even faked bounces to try to get their virus
infected e-mail to someone that will open it.http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html

If they
are expecting to do business with their email address, the more bounced
mail, the better to plug their inbox and prevent real customers from
contacting them.

.... snipped a case where bouncing WAS justified. Such cases are very rare..

Usually it is better to report spammers to their ISP and let the ISP deal
with them. If you do ANYTHING to let the spammer know that your e-mail
address works, you are just inviting them to sell your address to other
spammers.

By the way, spamcop can be used to report spam. Sometimes it helps.

--
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

* remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

Yea by coincidence I was discussing in another group Spamcop, and
Carnivore, aka DCS1000 which is a hardware gaget that any honorable
ISP would not allow, but do you guys know of a computer based software
retail/custom that will extract the header information from emails ?

"ctops.legal" wrote in news:20fd4783-628b-4d91-
:


Yea by coincidence I was discussing in another group Spamcop, and
Carnivore, aka DCS1000 which is a hardware gaget that any honorable
ISP would not allow, but do you guys know of a computer based software
retail/custom that will extract the header information from emails ?

I use thunderbird to read my e-mails.
I do a ctrl-U to view the source, which includes the headers.
Other programs have ways also. Takes some practice to understand the
headers.
http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html




--
bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

I use 'Mailwasher' to bounce the garbage as undeliverable. If they
are expecting to do business with their email address, the more bounced
mail, the better to plug their inbox and prevent real customers from
contacting them.

Please don't bounce spam; this can contribute to backscatter attacks
wherein the bounced messages are returned to forged envelope sender
addresses, creating DoS floods and more spam.

Michael

On May 24, 10:43*am, bz wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote in news:20fd4783-628b-4d91-
:



Yea by coincidence I was discussing in another group Spamcop, and
Carnivore, aka DCS1000 which is a hardware gaget that any honorable
ISP would not allow, but do you guys know of a computer based software
retail/custom that will extract the header information from emails ?

I use thunderbird to read my e-mails.
I do a ctrl-U to view the source, which includes the headers.
Other programs have ways also. Takes some practice to understand the
headers.http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html

--
bz * * *73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

* remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

"thunderbird " as in the email client ?, I had no idea thunderbird
mail client had such a feature, there is some custom software I have
been hearing about but can't find it, is the thunderbird procedure
ctrl-U give correct ip information ?


ctops.legal

"ctops.legal" wrote in news:d224cf89-0461-40a5-9604-
:

On May 24, 10:43*am, bz wrote:
"ctops.legal" wrote in news:20fd4783-628b-4d91-
:

.....
I use thunderbird to read my e-mails.
I do a ctrl-U to view the source, which includes the headers.
Other programs have ways also. Takes some practice to understand the
headers.http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html

"thunderbird " as in the email client ?

Yes, the one from mozilla.

, I had no idea thunderbird
mail client had such a feature.

As I suggested, read
http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html

, there is some custom software I have
been hearing about but can't find it, is the thunderbird procedure
ctrl-U give correct ip information

Depending on what you mean by 'correct ip information', yes.

You need to understand what the header of the e-mail message gives you.
The only information that is 'completely trustworthy' is the LAST information
added by YOUR mail server when it is contacted by the server that sends it
the e-mail message.
Older header information could be forged [but is often correct].

A program/service such as samspade can be used to find more information on
the server that sent the e-mail to your mail server.






--
bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

bz wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
:

James Sweet wrote:

I'm in the US and I despise spam, more than one email address I've had
has been rendered useless by the enormous volume of spam that makes it
in. I've had much better luck since I switched to gmail and set up a
number of disposable email forwards through trashmail.net, now whenever
I start getting spam from one, I can just drop it and switch to another.


I use 'Mailwasher' to bounce the garbage as undeliverable.

NO!!!!!
NEVER bounce mail unless you can _guarantee_ that it goes to the ACTUAL
sender!!!!


I look at the headers, and bounce it back when the IP address matches
the server name. I was getting over 2000 pieces of junk a week when I
started. It quickly dropped to less than a dozen, and some of those are
from zombies on broadband connections. By bouncing those, their ISP can
spot the problem and tell them to fix their computer, or close their
account. There are millions of bounce from bad or closed e-mail
accounts every day. Some of the spammers remove the bounces form their
lists. The spam with 50 or more addresses in the headers is sent by
those who don't give a damn.

I am down to less than a dozen bounces a week. Some domains are
blacklisted by me and my E-mail server, along with Mailwashers checks
the spamcop and other blacklists.


--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html


Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm