There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

On 19 Jan 2005 10:06:26 -0800, wrote:
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Yes, and they're all from the same person, with the same word in the
subject. Simple to configure to ignore in any good newsreader if
that's your preference.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

So, let me get this straight. You agree that they're on-topic, you
point out that they are consistantly marked, and you want him to
go away with them? Wouldn't it be easier to ignore them, either
manually or programmatically? If your newsreader doesn't support
ignoring any message with a particular word in the headers, or
a particular sender, get a better one.

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

JOAT, if you'd like some webspace to put your links, in addition to
posting them here, I'll get you set up.

Dave Hinz

I like the way that JOAT does his internet search results - easy to pass by,
but easy to identify the ones that might hold something of interest to me.
And I have even benefited from a few of them in finding something that was
of use to me, or maybe just enjoying a comment that JOAT may have posted
with the link. Since it doesn't cost anything to have them here, and they
are so well labeled, I am certainly in favor of JOAT continuing to post
here, and thank him for doing so.

Fred Bearman
Port Huron, Michigan

wrote in message
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There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person.

I vote for JOAT to stick around and keep posting here. I can read or ignore
as I please thanks to the clear subject lines.

Andy
http://www.myweb.cableone.net/andya/

wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

Yes, and they're all from the same person, with the same word in the
subject. Simple to configure to ignore in any good newsreader if
that's your preference.

I don't - and perhaps others - don't use a traditional newsreader app
but browse via a web browser (groups.google.com). I have seen posts in
the past where people comment on the volume of messages and bandwidth
concerns so I don't see why this question is so unusual. I am NOT
attacking him or his posts simply asking - what I thought - was a
reasonable question.

So, let me get this straight. You agree that they're on-topic,
Yes

you
point out that they are consistantly marked,
Yes

and you want him to go away with them?
NO!!

Wouldn't it be easier to ignore them, either manually or
programmatically?
It IS fairly easy to ignore them but I was mearly asking if perhaps we
should consider creating a dedicated group/list for them as there are
quite a few of them.

JOAT, if you'd like some webspace to put your links, in addition to
posting them here, I'll get you set up.
And I think the site would get traffic.

On 19 Jan 2005 10:32:21 -0800, wrote:
Yes, and they're all from the same person, with the same word in the
subject. Simple to configure to ignore in any good newsreader if
that's your preference.

I don't - and perhaps others - don't use a traditional newsreader app
but browse via a web browser (groups.google.com). I have seen posts in
the past where people comment on the volume of messages and bandwidth
concerns so I don't see why this question is so unusual. I am NOT
attacking him or his posts simply asking - what I thought - was a
reasonable question.

So because of your choice of a limited newsreading tool (in this case,
web-based), you want him to change how he's doing things, for you.

So, let me get this straight. You agree that they're on-topic,
Yes

you
point out that they are consistantly marked,
Yes

and you want him to go away with them?
NO!!

Seems to me that telling him to go to a different group is equivalent
to "go away with them".

Wouldn't it be easier to ignore them, either manually or
programmatically?
It IS fairly easy to ignore them but I was mearly asking if perhaps we
should consider creating a dedicated group/list for them as there are
quite a few of them.

This fits any definition of "go away" that I can think of.

JOAT, if you'd like some webspace to put your links, in addition to
posting them here, I'll get you set up.

And I think the site would get traffic.

Great. And I'm glad he posts them here as well. I'm sorry, but I don't
see how your choice of a ****-poor interface to read Usenet should dictate
that a useful resource is made less useful for everyone.

Andy wrote:
I vote for JOAT to stick around and keep posting here. I can read or ignore
as I please thanks to the clear subject lines.



Yeah... what he said. It's not JOAT's fault you can't run a normal newsreader.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Dave, wow - I apologize that I have very clearly offended you on this
one. However, I think that you are missing my point. I mean NO
ill-will towards him and I am not asking him to change what he does for
me (regardelss of my choice of news interface) but decided to post a
question to the group for consideration. Again, I mearly asked what I
thought was a reasonable question to the broader group. The posts so
far have been overwhelmingly in favor of his continuing to post his
inspiration messages here. Great, the question I asked appears to have
been aswered. As far as my asking HIM to go away - not the case at
all. He posts other things besides the inspiration posts to this group
just like everyone else does.

And to address your point of "...how your choice of a ****-poor
interface to read Usenet should dictate
that a useful resource is made less useful for everyone.." - I actually
think another newsgroup for THIS TYPE OF POST (not just posts from this
person) would make the resource more useful to everyone as it would be
more easily searchable etc.

wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.


I don't think we need another group for this type of post. They are as "on
topic" as you can get to a woodworking newsgroup so why not keep them here.
I don't see bandwidth as an issue because all you're getting in the subject
line. Very little traffic there.

What JOAT could do to reduce the number of posts would be to do an
'Inspiration' post and list all the stuff he finds in that one post. But,
I'm not his momma so I can't tell him what to do. Just a thought. :-)

Bryan

Fred wrote:
Since it doesn't cost anything to have them here, and they
are so well labeled, I am certainly in favor of JOAT continuing to post
here, and thank him for doing so.


Ditto.

Thanks, JOAT

Barry

On 19 Jan 2005 10:52:51 -0800, wrote:
Dave, wow - I apologize that I have very clearly offended you on this
one.

I'm not _offended_, I'm boggled that someone would impose the results
of their own poor choice of tools on a group of people.

However, I think that you are missing my point. I mean NO
ill-will towards him and I am not asking him to change what he does for
me (regardelss of my choice of news interface) but decided to post a
question to the group for consideration.

But the thing you're proposing _is_ that he change what he's doing,
and to not post them to the group.

Again, I mearly asked what I
thought was a reasonable question to the broader group. The posts so
far have been overwhelmingly in favor of his continuing to post his
inspiration messages here. Great, the question I asked appears to have
been aswered. As far as my asking HIM to go away - not the case at
all. He posts other things besides the inspiration posts to this group
just like everyone else does.

So you just want him to go away with the INSPIRATION posts. Got it.

And to address your point of "...how your choice of a ****-poor
interface to read Usenet should dictate
that a useful resource is made less useful for everyone.." - I actually
think another newsgroup for THIS TYPE OF POST (not just posts from this
person) would make the resource more useful to everyone as it would be
more easily searchable etc.

You can't google for the word INSPIRATION in rec.woodworking at
groups.google.com? (hint: yes, you can. Trivially so. Just as it's
trivial to ignore messages with that in the subject with any decent
newsreader.)

"Fred" wrote:

I like the way that JOAT does his internet search results - easy to pass by,
but easy to identify the ones that might hold something of interest to me.
And I have even benefited from a few of them in finding something that was
of use to me, or maybe just enjoying a comment that JOAT may have posted
with the link. Since it doesn't cost anything to have them here, and they
are so well labeled, I am certainly in favor of JOAT continuing to post
here, and thank him for doing so.

Hear! Hear! JOAT is as thoughtful as possible in using subject headers
that allow the reader to decide whether to read. While the nature of
the posts is a distinct subset (rec.woodworking.plans?) the volume is
small enough to easily stay in the larger, on-topic group, and is too
small, IMHO, to warrant a group of its own.

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

You are new here aintcha.
Maybe some suggestions after you see how this group works.



wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

Don't be so hard on Larryfox Dave. I doubt he is out to get your job.

wrote in message
ups.com...
Dave, wow - I apologize that I have very clearly offended you on this
one.


Dave tends to like to be the one that makes these type suggestions and you
apparently beat him to it.

Dave, at this point I think we are arguing semantics instead of
substance. Might I suggest that we either aggree to disagree or take
the discussion private (email in header is real). I would welcome the
opportunity to continue if you like.

I DO know how to use Google, I DO know that there are newsreaders out
there that filter, I DO NOT want the inspiration posts to go away
entirely I was just inquiring about moving/grouping them is all.

On 19 Jan 2005 11:40:09 -0800, wrote:

I DO know how to use Google, I DO know that there are newsreaders out
there that filter, I DO NOT want the inspiration posts to go away
entirely I was just inquiring about moving/grouping them is all.

Yes, apparently we have different meanings in mind of how "go away"
is or is not the same as "don't do it here". I can't see much point
in continuing the conversation either.

not so new but sure did step in the proverbial pile with this one. :-)

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message

I'm not going to suggest that Joat move his posts because I like reading
them. Along the same lines however, it would be nice if there was a central
location that one could go to and view them. (Aside from going to google and
implementing a specific search parameter)

Not to worry - you just had a run in with someone who has to have a comment
on just about every post made here. And you caught him on a good day.....;-)


wrote in message
ups.com...
not so new but sure did step in the proverbial pile with this one. :-)

Lucky me! :-)

On 19 Jan 2005 10:06:26 -0800, wrote:

There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.


Well, this newsgroup is big, maybe even classified as "huge." But
it's amazing the majority prefer it that way. Occasionally, I
appreciate JOAT postings and any thoughts by others who have an
inspiration or wood design thought. Wood can be shaped into just
about any crazy idea. For the most part, I'm a "traditional"
woodworker, but enjoy seeing something out of the ordinary at times.
Creating more groups means more unwanted crossposts. The only reason
ABPW makes sense is that this newsgroup is strictly a non-binary
discussion group.

On 19 Jan 2005 12:07:26 -0800, wrote:
Lucky me! :-)

You asked for input and I provided it. I see it as a selfish request,
for something you could trivially work around.

wrote:

Dave, at this point I think we are arguing semantics instead of
substance. Might I suggest that we either aggree to disagree or take
the discussion private (email in header is real). I would welcome the
opportunity to continue if you like.

I DO know how to use Google, I DO know that there are newsreaders out
there that filter, I DO NOT want the inspiration posts to go away
entirely I was just inquiring about moving/grouping them is all.

And everyone has said (some gently and some harshly): since it is
trivial to group them as it is, and to ignore them if they are not of
interest, why bother with moving them?
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 6:12pm (EST+5) (Dave=A0Hinz)
offered:
snip JOAT, if you'd like some webspace to put your links, in addition
to posting them here, I'll get you set up.

Thanks Dave, but no thanks. I don't save 99.9% of any links I
find. For any I want to check later, I normally cruise the archives.



JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert

wrote in message
ups.com...
not so new but sure did step in the proverbial pile with this one. :-)

Well Dave is our local self appointed net nanny. I have been here for 4 or
5 years and when he came on board a few months ago he was suggesting how I
should post. I still post as I wish.

Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 10:32am (EST-3) says:
snip And I think the site would get traffic.

OK, let's vote on splitting the group. Rec.woodworking, and
rec.woodworking.JOAT.

Will it be moderated? LMAO



JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert

wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person.


Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

I'm glad you brought it up. We've been looking to make a couple of changes
here and have a moderator for the group. We need a volunteer for the spot.
Are you interested? If so, just mention it and we will vote you in. Most
of us agree on having a moderator, but we're just not sure how to go about
it.

I hope you can and will help us.

Thanks,
Ed

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:39:44 -0500, J T wrote:
Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 6:12pm (EST+5) (Dave*Hinz)
offered:
snip JOAT, if you'd like some webspace to put your links, in addition
to posting them here, I'll get you set up.

Thanks Dave, but no thanks. I don't save 99.9% of any links I
find. For any I want to check later, I normally cruise the archives.

Mind if I harvest 'em from the archives and stick 'em on a page, if I
get bored? Full credit to you and all that...

Dave

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On 19 Jan 2005 12:07:26 -0800,
wrote:
Lucky me! :-)

You asked for input and I provided it. I see it as a selfish request,
for something you could trivially work around.

Oh, grow up for Christ's sake. The guy made a suggestion and few agree with
it. Fine, he realizes it, so let it be and you stop being an obnoxious
prick.

Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 9:19pm (EST+5) (Dave=A0Hinz)
wonders:
Mind if I harvest 'em from the archives and stick 'em on a page, if I
get bored? Full credit to you and all that...

ROTFLMAO Harvest away. None of them are mine, just links I ran
across. Don' need no steenkin' credit.



JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert

On 19 Jan 2005 10:06:26 -0800, wrote:


I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.


This one keeps coming back from time to time - kinda like herpes.

I like checking out JOAT's stuff - some of them are funny - some of
them are dumb - some of them are cool.

I can tell you this much for sure - JOAT's gonna keep on doing what he
does no matter what anybody else thinks - and that's what I like about
the man.



tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:37:07 -0500, Upscale wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On 19 Jan 2005 12:07:26 -0800,
wrote:
Lucky me! :-)

You asked for input and I provided it. I see it as a selfish request,
for something you could trivially work around.

Oh, grow up for Christ's sake. The guy made a suggestion and few agree with
it. Fine, he realizes it, so let it be and you stop being an obnoxious
prick.

Do us both a favor and killfile me then, wouldja? Thanks awfully.
Guy wants the world to change for him; I provided several ways he can
get what he wants without a useful resource being taken away.

wrote in message
ups.com...


not so new but sure did step in the proverbial pile with this one. :-)


There are pile's o plenty in this group.

On 19 Jan 2005 10:06:26 -0800, wrote:

There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

Personally, I like JOAT's stuff right where it is. This group is a bit
like eating chow mein - you can encounter just about anything in it,
and that's part of what makes it good.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

While we are on the topic of INSPIRATION, does any one have the link for the
pointy stick? :^)


wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.

In article ,
"Fred" wrote:

I like the way that JOAT does his internet search results - easy to pass by,
but easy to identify the ones that might hold something of interest to me.
And I have even benefited from a few of them in finding something that was
of use to me, or maybe just enjoying a comment that JOAT may have posted
with the link. Since it doesn't cost anything to have them here, and they
are so well labeled, I am certainly in favor of JOAT continuing to post
here, and thank him for doing so.

Fred Bearman
Port Huron, Michigan

wrote in message
oups.com...
There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person.



*waving*

"FRED!!"

"Over here! I can see your house from here!"

0¿0

Rob
Sarnia, ON

PS. I know a shortcut to a Lee Valley store. 55mins, tops.

In article .com,
wrote:

There are quite a few messages posted with INSPIRATION in the title and
most seem to be posted by the same person. The INSPIRATION in the
title certaily makes them easy to read/ignore at the readers choice but
there are still a lot of them.

Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Again, not suggesting NOT to post them but perhaps have a central place
to put them as opposed to the larger group.


JOAT...thanks, man. I appreciate what you're doing for us.
I think Larry does too.

0¿0

Rob

wrote:
Of the ones that I have looked at, most are not my cup of tea but I
respect the poster's right to post them as they are certainly on-topic.
I am just wondering if it might not be a good idea to setup a seperate
group/list for these types of posts (Similar to ABPW for pics).

MM... let me see..

NO

Good lord, of all the crap in here you object to that the most?

Thoughts anyone? JOAT, thoughts?

Here is an easy way to get thoughts from JOAT: Write the following, or
something like it:

"I searched for free plans for a futon but could not find any. Does
anybody have free plans for one?"

A subject like "Anyone got free plans?" will help it gain the attention
it deserves.

I give you a pretty good chance on hearing from him. While you are at
it, you could try emailing him privately and asking for some as well.

PK

In article t, Dave
Jackson wrote:

I kinda like the idea of a separate area for plans.

alt.woodworking.plans already exists. Seems like nobody much is using
it, though.

Have fun!

djb

--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows