woodchucker wrote:
With your experience I think most will work for you.


I fully-believe that's what the manufacturer's were thinking. I studied
the parts diagrams, and picked up the pieces of plastic with my own
hands. There are too many of them.

Bill

John McCoy wrote:
Bill wrote in news:m6i5lb01mq7
@news7.newsguy.com:

John McCoy wrote:
To back up what John(*) said, if you don't have one of these:

https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/...-block-planes?
node=4072

or something similar, you need one.
Lie_Nielsen, huh? I have "something similar"!
Not so long ago, if you wanted a plane your choice was either
rehabilitating an old Stanley, or buying from Lie-Nielsen.

I understand. I probably collected at least 5 or 6 planes (including a
block plane and a low angle block plane), all for less than the $115 of
that one block plane.
I do enjoy admiring the Lie_Nielsen tools though, and others.
Woodworking show will be coming around next month.

Bill

Now there are more choices in quality planes, but out of
habit I always recommend L-N. (plus many of the Veritas
planes are just plain ugly, whereas the L-N all look like
a tool should look).

John

woodchucker wrote in news:UuSdnf8gY4z3RRDJnZ2dnUU7-
:

I have both. They are both good quality.

The veritas have some nice features.

Agreed, by all accounts they're fine planes and the other Lee
Valley stuff I have is good. Just some of them don't have the
classic look that a plane should have.

I don't have any bronze castings, but a friend
does and he claims that they color his wood as he works with them and
curses them out.

Can't say I've observed that. Years ago L-N occasionally did
planes in "German Silver", a nickle-based bronze. I have a
#2 (which I don't use) and the small block plane in it, and
it's probably the ideal metal for planes, except for the cost.

John

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal
and is surprisingly well made.

Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.

Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.

AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
With your experience I think most will work for you.


I fully-believe that's what the manufacturer's were thinking. I
studied the parts diagrams, and picked up the pieces of plastic with
my own hands. There are too many of them.

Bill

In case anyone needs this (I see they are sold as a two-pack):
http://www.sears.com/ridgid-eb44240-...&blockType=G59

Bill wrote:


It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought that
the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid unit.
Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a rental-station
store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What does that
say about how much they care about their customers?

Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different questions.
Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return a product to them -
usually not for the duration of the warranty. Usually more like 90 days or
so. With Ridgid products, the warranty is lifetime - even on batteries, if
applicable. So the retail warranty usually means that at some point you are
haveing to returen your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a
limited time. With Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you might have
to somehow get the product to an authorized repair center. With HD - who is
Ridgid's primary retailer, the normal retail sort of walk in return policy
applies in the same manner as most other retailers. That's just retail
competitiveness. Beyond that though is that very valuable lifetime
warranty. I've used it - I know it works.


The unit in
question has a lot of plastic parts...almost all. The main spindle
on the Ridgid, that runs all of the way the motor is used for every
operation. It is a built-in defect. Also, unsealed bearings.

What do you mean by unsealed bearings? I'm just not sure what you are
making reference to. As for plastic - Ridgid is not low end consumer junk.
I cannot imagine a wear part like a spindle being plastic, but I may be
wrong. Look again Bill at what Ridgid is and I think you may find your
first look might be mistaken.


When you consider that an inital stock of sanding materials could
approach $100, does one really want to "invest" in that unit?
I hope this shows that I did my homework, if nothing else.


Well, I think you certainly did do some of the homework required, but I'm
not sure you've seen things as they really are.

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought that
the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid unit.
Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a rental-station
store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What does that
say about how much they care about their customers?
Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different questions.
Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return a product to them -
usually not for the duration of the warranty. Usually more like 90 days or
so. With Ridgid products, the warranty is lifetime - even on batteries, if
applicable. So the retail warranty usually means that at some point you are
haveing to returen your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a
limited time. With Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you might have
to somehow get the product to an authorized repair center. With HD - who is
Ridgid's primary retailer, the normal retail sort of walk in return policy
applies in the same manner as most other retailers. That's just retail
competitiveness. Beyond that though is that very valuable lifetime
warranty. I've used it - I know it works.


The unit in
question has a lot of plastic parts...almost all. The main spindle
on the Ridgid, that runs all of the way the motor is used for every
operation. It is a built-in defect. Also, unsealed bearings.
What do you mean by unsealed bearings? I'm just not sure what you are
making reference to. As for plastic - Ridgid is not low end consumer junk.
I cannot imagine a wear part like a spindle being plastic, but I may be
wrong. Look again Bill at what Ridgid is and I think you may find your
first look might be mistaken.


When you consider that an inital stock of sanding materials could
approach $100, does one really want to "invest" in that unit?
I hope this shows that I did my homework, if nothing else.

Well, I think you certainly did do some of the homework required, but I'm
not sure you've seen things as they really are.

I've got plenty invested in my examination so far. I understand how
things are for me, as well as many other types of users.
I've have read every review on the product that exists. I really don't
want to discourage anyone else from buying the product (sorry, if it
sounded like I was doing that). I don't like every brand of guitar as
much as everyone else either (I won't mention those).
I like parts that don't slip--including tuning pegs! ; ) What have you
got against Jet's JBOS-5? It was $416 in November.
Admittedly, it's more than twice as heavy as the Ridgid. See, now
whether you view that positively or negatively depends on the type of
user one is.
I will say that as an edge sander, the Ridgid is poorly designed. I
believe it started out as an OSS and then they thought of "adding a new
feature".
Go with what you like!

Cheers,
Bill

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought that
the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid
unit. Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a rental-station
store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What does that
say about how much they care about their customers?
Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different
questions. Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return a
product to them - usually not for the duration of the warranty. Usually
more like 90 days or so. With Ridgid products, the warranty
is lifetime - even on batteries, if applicable. So the retail
warranty usually means that at some point you are haveing to returen
your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a limited time. With
Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you might have to
somehow get the product to an authorized repair center. With HD -
who is Ridgid's primary retailer, the normal retail sort of walk in
return policy applies in the same manner as most other retailers. That's
just retail competitiveness. Beyond that though is that very
valuable lifetime warranty. I've used it - I know it works.
The unit in
question has a lot of plastic parts...almost all. The main spindle
on the Ridgid, that runs all of the way the motor is used for every
operation. It is a built-in defect. Also, unsealed bearings.
What do you mean by unsealed bearings? I'm just not sure what you
are making reference to. As for plastic - Ridgid is not low end
consumer junk. I cannot imagine a wear part like a spindle being
plastic, but I may be wrong. Look again Bill at what Ridgid is and
I think you may find your first look might be mistaken.


When you consider that an inital stock of sanding materials could
approach $100, does one really want to "invest" in that unit?
I hope this shows that I did my homework, if nothing else.

Well, I think you certainly did do some of the homework required,
but I'm not sure you've seen things as they really are.

I've got plenty invested in my examination so far. I understand how
things are for me, as well as many other types of users.
I've have read every review on the product that exists. I really
don't want to discourage anyone else from buying the product (sorry,
if it sounded like I was doing that). I don't like every brand of
guitar as much as everyone else either (I won't mention those).
I like parts that don't slip--including tuning pegs! ; ) What have
you got against Jet's JBOS-5? It was $416 in November.
Admittedly, it's more than twice as heavy as the Ridgid. See, now
whether you view that positively or negatively depends on the type of
user one is.
I will say that as an edge sander, the Ridgid is poorly designed. I
believe it started out as an OSS and then they thought of "adding a
new feature".
Go with what you like!

Cheers,
Bill

I think you missed everything I was trying to say Bill. I agree that you
should buy what you want because of what's important to you and that's the
last I have to say.

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought that
the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid
unit. Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a rental-station
store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What does that
say about how much they care about their customers?
Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different
questions. Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return a
product to them - usually not for the duration of the warranty. Usually
more like 90 days or so. With Ridgid products, the warranty
is lifetime - even on batteries, if applicable. So the retail
warranty usually means that at some point you are haveing to returen
your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a limited time. With
Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you might have to
somehow get the product to an authorized repair center.

Yes, the 100+ mile round trip would make me want to throw the unit in
the garbage (they probably count on that). Oh, that would likely be two
100+ mile round trips, wouldn't it? Jet's customer service center is
local. Lots of people say Ridgid won't repair a "bent/wobbly spindle"
either. It falls under normal wear, abuse, or something along those lines.

Cheers,
Bill

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought
that the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid
unit. Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a
rental-station store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What
does that say about how much they care about their customers?
Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different
questions. Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return a
product to them - usually not for the duration of the warranty.
Usually more like 90 days or so. With Ridgid products, the
warranty is lifetime - even on batteries, if applicable. So the retail
warranty usually means that at some point you are haveing to
returen your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a
limited time. With Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you
might have to somehow get the product to an authorized repair center.

Yes, the 100+ mile round trip would make me want to throw the unit in
the garbage (they probably count on that). Oh, that would likely be
two 100+ mile round trips, wouldn't it? Jet's customer service
center is local. Lots of people say Ridgid won't repair a
"bent/wobbly spindle" either. It falls under normal wear, abuse, or
something along those lines.

Ok.

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

It wasn't a direct apples-to-apples comparision. But I thought
that the MasterForce 6"-belt x 9" disk sander looked more robust
than the Ridgid, and it was on sale for $20 less than the Ridgid
unit. Here's another fact,
the nearest Ridgid "Customer Service Center" is at a
rental-station store more than 50 miles from Indianapolis. What
does that say about how much they care about their customers?
Good observation Bill but that begs a whole lot of different
questions. Most retailers have a limit on how long you can return
a product to them - usually not for the duration of the warranty.
Usually more like 90 days or so. With Ridgid products, the
warranty is lifetime - even on batteries, if applicable. So the
retail warranty usually means that at some point you are haveing
to returen your product to the manufacturer - and at that, for a
limited time. With Ridgid, it's lifetime, even if that means you
might have to somehow get the product to an authorized repair
center.

Yes, the 100+ mile round trip would make me want to throw the unit in
the garbage (they probably count on that). Oh, that would likely be
two 100+ mile round trips, wouldn't it? Jet's customer service
center is local. Lots of people say Ridgid won't repair a
"bent/wobbly spindle" either. It falls under normal wear, abuse, or
something along those lines.

Ok.

BTW - what does this have to do with Menards vs Ridgid? Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
.
Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?

Jet has a 5 year warranty, with a promise of service available after the
sale.
So far, I have confidence in them, though who knows for sure what the
future holds.

The more I learn about stuff, the better prepared I will be when it
turns up at auction.
This Jet OSS was there about 2 months ago (but I was previewing, the
auction was the next day).
A missed opportunity.

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal
and is surprisingly well made.
Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.
Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.
AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.


Just adding to what you wrote:

In 2014, Tenex Capital Management New York City, NY acquired the JET,
POWERMATIC AND WILTON brands from Walter Meier and changed the company
name to JPW Industries where they continue to grow and outperform their
competition with innovative, quality products and services.

As if you didn't know, all of this consolidation is no good for us!

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
.
Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?

Jet has a 5 year warranty, with a promise of service available after the sale.
So far, I have confidence in them, though who knows for sure what the future holds.

The more I learn about stuff, the better prepared I will be when it turns up at auction.
This Jet OSS was there about 2 months ago (but I was previewing, the
auction was the next day).
A missed opportunity.

Buy the thousand dollar one Bill. You will want it to out last this thread.
:-)

wrote in :

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.

AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

I'm not sure if the Ridgid name is licensed to TTI or to Home
Depot (who in turn contract it to TTI).

But my main point there was that Emerson still makes the
plumbers tools (which was Ridgid's original claim to fame).

John

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Bill wrote:
Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing
for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw
snip
---------------------------------------------
It's a classic POS product, IMHO.

Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander.

Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you
will have some decent equipment.

Lew


I have a disk sander (as well as belt sanders, and others) and I find
that I seldom use it. Seems like I alternate between needing coarse
grit for evening something out and fine for other uses. I HATE
changing the disk, and often cannot use it again because the glue
sticks to the metal instead of coming off with the sandpaper. It is
much easier to change a belt. Maybe I need several disk sanders with
different grits on them.

--
 GW Ross 

 The more you explain it, the less I 
 understand it -- Twain 

Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
.
Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?
Jet has a 5 year warranty, with a promise of service available after the sale.
So far, I have confidence in them, though who knows for sure what the future holds.

The more I learn about stuff, the better prepared I will be when it turns up at auction.
This Jet OSS was there about 2 months ago (but I was previewing, the
auction was the next day).
A missed opportunity.
Buy the thousand dollar one Bill. You will want it to out last this thread.
:-)

Sorry if it got annoying.

"Bill" wrote:

Sorry if it got annoying.
------------------------------------------------------
That's to be expected after about the tenth response.

Lew

Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
.
Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?
Jet has a 5 year warranty, with a promise of service available after
the sale.
So far, I have confidence in them, though who knows for sure what
the future holds.

The more I learn about stuff, the better prepared I will be when it
turns up at auction.
This Jet OSS was there about 2 months ago (but I was previewing, the
auction was the next day).
A missed opportunity.
Buy the thousand dollar one Bill. You will want it to out last this
thread.
:-)

Sorry if it got annoying.

My dad used a sanding disk attached to the end of a corded drill. Having
tried it myself as
a youngster, I remember it making a cloud of dust! cough, couch : )

On 12/15/2014 12:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
.
Is Jet a lifetime
warranty?
Jet has a 5 year warranty, with a promise of service available after
the sale.
So far, I have confidence in them, though who knows for sure what the
future holds.

The more I learn about stuff, the better prepared I will be when it
turns up at auction.
This Jet OSS was there about 2 months ago (but I was previewing, the
auction was the next day).
A missed opportunity.
Buy the thousand dollar one Bill. You will want it to out last this
thread.
:-)

Sorry if it got annoying.


Na Na Na Na, I'm just pulling your leg. Can't believe I did not get
involved in this before now. :~)

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:28:25 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

wrote in :

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.

AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

I'm not sure if the Ridgid name is licensed to TTI or to Home
Depot (who in turn contract it to TTI).

You can judge...

http://forum.drc.su/who-owns-who-rid...eg-vt4186.html

But my main point there was that Emerson still makes the
plumbers tools (which was Ridgid's original claim to fame).

Could be. As I said the market is really convoluted.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:11:47 -0500, Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal
and is surprisingly well made.
Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.
Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.
AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.


Just adding to what you wrote:

In 2014, Tenex Capital Management New York City, NY acquired the JET,
POWERMATIC AND WILTON brands from Walter Meier and changed the company
name to JPW Industries where they continue to grow and outperform their
competition with innovative, quality products and services.

As if you didn't know, all of this consolidation is no good for us!

I'm not convinced. It's better that there is a consolidation than all
of these companies disappearing. The market isn't huge.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:35:47 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote:

Sorry if it got annoying.
------------------------------------------------------
That's to be expected after about the tenth response.

[..../]
IRONY

Sure beats the incessant gas price postings.

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:11:47 -0500, Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal
and is surprisingly well made.
Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.
Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.
AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

Just adding to what you wrote:

In 2014, Tenex Capital Management New York City, NY acquired the JET,
POWERMATIC AND WILTON brands from Walter Meier and changed the company
name to JPW Industries where they continue to grow and outperform their
competition with innovative, quality products and services.

As if you didn't know, all of this consolidation is no good for us!
I'm not convinced. It's better that there is a consolidation than all
of these companies disappearing. The market isn't huge.

Several of Delta's products seems to have virtually (and absolutely)
disappeared since they got consolidated.
I've noticed the absence of their 8" jointer and a couple of their
sanders, and there is most-likely more.

I have Not observed the presence of a Festool OSS! : )
(especially one that wasn't plastic!)

Carvers, if you used an OSS to "cut close" would you expect the sand
paper to leave grit in the wood and dull your carving tools (just curious)?

Bill

Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:11:47 -0500, Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in
news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not
universal
and is surprisingly well made.
Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.
Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.
AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

Just adding to what you wrote:

In 2014, Tenex Capital Management New York City, NY acquired the JET,
POWERMATIC AND WILTON brands from Walter Meier and changed the company
name to JPW Industries where they continue to grow and outperform their
competition with innovative, quality products and services.

As if you didn't know, all of this consolidation is no good for us!
I'm not convinced. It's better that there is a consolidation than all
of these companies disappearing. The market isn't huge.

Several of Delta's products seems to have virtually (and absolutely)
disappeared since they got consolidated.
I've noticed the absence of their 8" jointer and a couple of their
sanders, and there is most-likely more.

I have Not observed the presence of a Festool OSS! : )
(especially one that wasn't plastic!)

Carvers, if you used an OSS to "cut close" would you expect the sand
paper to leave grit in the wood and dull your carving tools (just
curious)?

Bill

From a brief search, the answer to that last question seems to be Yes.
Though several use a toothbrush and air compressor or shopvac to remove
the embedded abrasives.

"Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for it).

Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk
sander works better than a larger more powerful one?

For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP.

I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not
what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working
room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet
of abrasives)?

I'm sure in this case that the 12" unit is built to higher standards:
has a nicer table and is "industrial strength". But that's sort of a
different question. They probably make industrial strength 3/4hp 9" disk
sanders too; I just haven't seen them where I shop.

Bill

"Bill" wrote in message

"Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for
it).
Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk
sander works better than a larger more powerful one?

For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP.

I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not
what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working
room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet
of abrasives)?

Well, the outside three inches will be moving farther in a given time but
I don't know if that is a benefit or vice versa.

Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy to
burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do. Still,
I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they charge more
for them, no idea why.

Somewhere in this thread - I think it was this thread, I've sorta lost
track - someone mentioned the nuisance factor of changing grit on a
disk sander. True. The solution is, put on an 80 grit disk and never
change it until it is worn out then stick on a new 80 grit, on top of the
old one or on the plate, your choice.

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dadiOH wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message

"Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for
it).
Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk
sander works better than a larger more powerful one?

For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP.

I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not
what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working
room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet
of abrasives)?

Well, the outside three inches will be moving farther in a given time
but I don't know if that is a benefit or vice versa.

Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy
to burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do.
Still, I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they
charge more for them, no idea why.

All of the 12" ones I saw said 1725-1750 RPM, except Jet didn't
list the RPM (I would expect the same).
The 9" one I was looking at (part of a belt/disk combo unit) said 3100
RPM. Interesting.
The circumference of a disk is directly proportion to the diameter.
12*1750 =21000 (*3.14) feet per minute, at the edge.
9*3100 = 27900 (*3.14) feet per minute at the edge, so these numbers are
NOT different by factor of 2, like it appears at first glance.
More like 25% difference. And the 1 HP number probably has more integrity.

Thanks for making me think!
Bill




Somewhere in this thread - I think it was this thread, I've sorta lost
track - someone mentioned the nuisance factor of changing grit on a
disk sander. True. The solution is, put on an 80 grit disk and never
change it until it is worn out then stick on a new 80 grit, on top of
the old one or on the plate, your choice.

"dadiOH" wrote in :

Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy
to burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do.
Still, I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they
charge more for them, no idea why.

More expensive to make a 1750 rpm motor. A motor with two
poles will turn at 3600 rpm on 60Hz AC line (unloaded, the
loaded speed will be around 3450 rpm). A motor with four
poles will run 1800 rpm (unloaded, around 1750 loaded).
None too surprisingly, it takes more material and effort
to make a 4-pole motor (altho not a whole lot more). So
2-pole motors are the most widely available and cheapest.

John

"John McCoy" wrote in message

"dadiOH" wrote in :

Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy
to burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do.
Still, I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they
charge more for them, no idea why.

More expensive to make a 1750 rpm motor. A motor with two
poles will turn at 3600 rpm on 60Hz AC line (unloaded, the
loaded speed will be around 3450 rpm). A motor with four
poles will run 1800 rpm (unloaded, around 1750 loaded).
None too surprisingly, it takes more material and effort
to make a 4-pole motor (altho not a whole lot more). So
2-pole motors are the most widely available and cheapest.

John

Thanks, John, always nice to know stuff.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:15:18 -0500, Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:11:47 -0500, Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

woodchucker wrote in news:6oGdnbZAT_hpDRHJnZ2dnUU7-
:

The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal
and is surprisingly well made.
Ridgid (two "d"s *) power tools are a bit unpredictable. Most of
them are made by Ryobi, I beleive, with corresponding quality.
Not really (made by Ryobi). Both are made by the parent company, TTI,
(the other name in the TTI group is "Milwaukee"). Ryobi is meant for
the low-end consumer market, while Ridgid is intended for the higher
end consumer and low end contractor. Milwaukee, of course, is
intended for the pro-sumer or industrial markets.

A few of them are made by other vendors (some might even be
made by Emerson Electric, who actually own the Ridgid name and
make the Ridgid plumbers tools), which sometimes means a higher
spec tool.
AIUI, Ridge (Emerson) owns the (Ridge and Ridgid) trademarks but
they're licensed to TTI, who actually manufactures most of the tools.

The tool biz is really convoluted.

Just adding to what you wrote:

In 2014, Tenex Capital Management New York City, NY acquired the JET,
POWERMATIC AND WILTON brands from Walter Meier and changed the company
name to JPW Industries where they continue to grow and outperform their
competition with innovative, quality products and services.

As if you didn't know, all of this consolidation is no good for us!
I'm not convinced. It's better that there is a consolidation than all
of these companies disappearing. The market isn't huge.

Several of Delta's products seems to have virtually (and absolutely)
disappeared since they got consolidated.
I've noticed the absence of their 8" jointer and a couple of their
sanders, and there is most-likely more.

More evidence that the market can't support all of the existing
brands.

I have Not observed the presence of a Festool OSS! : )
(especially one that wasn't plastic!)
Carvers, if you used an OSS to "cut close" would you expect the sand
paper to leave grit in the wood and dull your carving tools (just curious)?

Bill