I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

Yes!

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No!

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Maybe!

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writes:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

A 2"x40" low speed belt sander does a great job sharpening things like drill
bits, shears, construction chisels, etc.

As a boat builder, I'd be lost without a 12" disk sander for shaping work.

YMMV

Lew

wrote in message

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I use the belt on every project. Good for rounding a corner, taking a burr
off a dowel, straightening an imperfect edge, and 1000 other things that I
can't think of at the moment.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

wrote:

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

My 12" disk sander is used on just about every project. I use it to
quickly trim molding miters and inside fittings for a "watertight" fit.
The machine is actually located right in my assembly area for this reason.

I don't have a stationary belt sander, as I haven't had the use for one.

Barry

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:17:35 -0700,
wrote:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

==============
Honestly depends on the work you do... I have all of those tools
and I use my stationary belt sander 100 times more then my OSS
which I assume you mean stationary occilating sander

I will admit that I have not even had a sanding disc on the disc part
of the belt/disc sander in a long long time... which tells you I could
live quite well withOUT the disc..

As far as Dust Collection goes... There is NO WAY I would use the belt
sander without the DC running.. heck even for small short work
sessions of less then a minute my shop would be filled with dust
particles floating everywhere...

Bob Griffiths

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:17:35 -0700,
wrote:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?
============
My 2nd reply to your question...

Seems Barry & Lew would be lost without their disc sanders
and in my original reply I stated that I do not even have a sanding
disc glued on the plate since I hardly ever use the disc portion of my
satationary belt/disc sander....

So like I said it really depends on the work you do....

I make a lot of furniture projects...tables, desks, etc and I make a
lot of smaller furniture pieces scaled for Dolls..for my wife and her
hobby... But I do not build boats or need to "shape" large pieces
etc...

Bob Griffiths

It seems inconceivable to me to be with out either one. Although the 12"
disk gets the lion share, the belt and spindle gets used at some point on
every project. As I work with both metal and wood, I am trying to think
what I would do if I had to give up one of them... Nope, I would just end up
buying a new one again.

Dave

wrote in message
...
I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I use the belt on every project. Good for rounding a corner, taking a burr
off a dowel, straightening an imperfect edge, and 1000 other things that I
can't think of at the moment.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/


Sharpening flat pencils

wrote in
:

snip
There's always a shopvac for temporary stuff...

The part that's frustrating for me is that I rearrange the shop maybe twice
a year, in order to 1) clean up the crap that accumulates, 2) get at the
tool I need to use for the new project, and 3) find the things I _know_ are
in there somewhere, before I buy another one in frustration.

So in short, be flexible in your design, to the best of your abilities and
the limitations of your space. You don't need to solve all the problems
now. And tomorrow brings new problems/opportunities, anyhow.

Patriarch

"Vic Baron" wrote in message
t...

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I use the belt on every project. Good for rounding a corner, taking a
burr
off a dowel, straightening an imperfect edge, and 1000 other things that
I
can't think of at the moment.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/


Sharpening flat pencils

Isn't there some attachment for your compressor to fix flat pencils?

-j

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:17:35 -0700, the inscrutable
spake:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I agree with one or more of Owie's posts on this subject.

I have a lone Delta machine in my shop, a 1x30" belt/6" disc sander.
It gets used ALL the time and I need to connect it to the DC.


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"J" wrote in message
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"Vic Baron" wrote in message
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I use the belt on every project. Good for rounding a corner, taking a
burr
off a dowel, straightening an imperfect edge, and 1000 other things
that
I
can't think of at the moment.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/


Sharpening flat pencils

Isn't there some attachment for your compressor to fix flat pencils?

-j



red faced I lost it and have to save up to get a new one.

V

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:17:35 -0700,
wrote:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

I just added a disk/belt sander to my shop wish list. I was rebuilding
a recliner (long story) and had knocked apart the doweled joints on
the base that had worked loose. Before re-gluing I wanted to square
the ends of the pieces and clean off the old glue. Nothing I had
around the shop short of very careful work on the TS would do the job.
I couldn't take off more than a hair or the mechanism wouldn't fit any
more. I tried careful hand work with a sander but ended up rounding
the ends too much for my satisfaction, although the re-assembled chair
seems strong enough. I occurred to me that a well aligned disk sander
with a table and miter gauge would have made this task trivial. From
there I could see lots of places where it would be useful, so it went
on the list. It does, however, fall below the band-saw and OSS.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Patriarch wrote:

the tool I need to use for the new project, and 3) find the things I
_know_ are in there somewhere, before I buy another one in frustration.

I found my glue gun. It was actually there the whole time. Sometimes you
forget to look in the most obvious place for things. Like where it
actually goes.

I haven't quite been brave enough to plug it in though, seeing as how it's
covered in 324.7 million cubic tons of dust.

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if you get less then a 12" disc your wasting your money. as you can only use
maybe 3" of that disc in reality the smaller the less you can use. you want only
a 1700 rpm motor too. anything else would only work for steel. same with the
belt sander. only if you go up to a 6x89 can you handle the normal speed of most
motors.

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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:15:11 -0800, Steve Knight
wrote:

if you get less then a 12" disc your wasting your money. as you can only use
maybe 3" of that disc in reality the smaller the less you can use. you want only
a 1700 rpm motor too. anything else would only work for steel. same with the
belt sander. only if you go up to a 6x89 can you handle the normal speed of most
motors.

Twelve inch disk is what I was looking at. Most of the belts seem to
be 6x48, which at 1725 RPM gives 2500 fpm. I don't really see where
making the belt longer would do anything other than reduce heat a bit
and extend belt life, especially for light to moderate use.

Grizzly part no. G1276 was pretty much what I had in mind.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

"Tim Douglass" wrote in message

I don't really see where
making the belt longer would do anything other than reduce heat a bit
and extend belt life, especially for light to moderate use.

You can put a longer piece up to it and sand it smooth and straight. Longer
is better.

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:02:50 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"Tim Douglass" wrote in message

I don't really see where
making the belt longer would do anything other than reduce heat a bit
and extend belt life, especially for light to moderate use.

You can put a longer piece up to it and sand it smooth and straight. Longer
is better.

Duh! sound of hand slapping forehead

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Twelve inch disk is what I was looking at. Most of the belts seem to
be 6x48, which at 1725 RPM gives 2500 fpm. I don't really see where
making the belt longer would do anything other than reduce heat a bit
and extend belt life, especially for light to moderate use.

heat is the issue. the longer the belt the less heat buildup so the faster you
can run it. it will last far longer too.
but if you run a smaller belt faster the heat will burn the wood and make the
belt wear far faster.

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You can put a longer piece up to it and sand it smooth and straight. Longer
is better.


it's hard to sand straight with any belt sander. only if the belts are pretty
fresh. as usual it tends to round over things. the belt well usually cut on the
ends faster then in the middle same with the edges of the belt.

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Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:35:47 GMT, Larry Kraus
wrote:

How do I set up my ducting to allow for expansion?

I leave an extra "wye" fitting at every dead end, with a short piece
of pipe and a cap duct taped to the extra hole.. Adding more duct is
easy. My system is PVC, so the fittings are cheap enough.

The extra opening also facilitates removing the occasional blockage.

Barry

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:35:47 GMT, the inscrutable Larry Kraus
spake:

wrote:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

Abbalooley.


Maybe the question should be:

How do I set up my ducting to allow for expansion?

Sooner or later you WILL add some sort of dust producing tool, or
maybe just re-arrange the ones you have.

Buy a complete DC kit from www.Grizzly.com for $56 + s/h.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G3182
or
Buy 50' of duct through Amazon.com for $28 (+ free shipping!)
Buy Y adapters and clamps.
Cut and paste into whatever config you want.

NOTE: The vinyl tubing from Amazon comes from Penn State and
reeks to high heaven when you open the 4' long box. I took my
coil and strung it across my patio overnight to let the vinyl
smell diminish. That helped a -whole- lot. It's the flexible
type with a wire core which tries to contract when a vacuum is
applied, so lay/hang and brace it accordingly.


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4" stuff is not really going to cut it. I'm using 6" s&d
pipe/fittings with 6" flex.

see,
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/Ducting.cfm


There are also many limits given the size of DC and piping, so I'm
taking that into consideration. Bottom line.. minimize duct lengths..
minimize bends.. minimize flex

I'm trying to have one main run straight of the DC and then wye into
it only. But it seems I'm going to need to do a 45 jog to move the
line to the perimiter of the building to keep the duct out of the work
area

|
|
/
/
|
|

Along that run, will be wye's to the TS, jointer, BS, DP, MS



On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:23:10 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:35:47 GMT, the inscrutable Larry Kraus
spake:

wrote:

I'm working on my DC layout. A couple of tools I don't have, but
would have DC requirements are a stationary belt sander, disk sander
(or combo), a router table, and a OSS.

I got to asking myself last night, would I ever really need a
belt/disk sander? An OSS seems handy, but when would I need a
belt/disk sander?

Abbalooley.


Maybe the question should be:

How do I set up my ducting to allow for expansion?

Sooner or later you WILL add some sort of dust producing tool, or
maybe just re-arrange the ones you have.

Buy a complete DC kit from www.Grizzly.com for $56 + s/h.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G3182
or
Buy 50' of duct through Amazon.com for $28 (+ free shipping!)
Buy Y adapters and clamps.
Cut and paste into whatever config you want.

NOTE: The vinyl tubing from Amazon comes from Penn State and
reeks to high heaven when you open the 4' long box. I took my
coil and strung it across my patio overnight to let the vinyl
smell diminish. That helped a -whole- lot. It's the flexible
type with a wire core which tries to contract when a vacuum is
applied, so lay/hang and brace it accordingly.


--------------------------------------------
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http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Design
================================================= =====