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Belt/Disk sander reviews
Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing
for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope". I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill |
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Bill wrote:
Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope". I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill |
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On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:20:56 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing As a hobbyist, I've been using a 1975 Craftsman 4X24 handheld belt sander. I flip it over, as Russell, to use as a stationary. Just recently, it is showing signs of the brushes or something wearing out. It's been making ugly groaning noises at startup. After a minute or 2, it sounds better, but it's not purring. I vote get a good handheld, for now..... heavy weight and increase AMPs. With the handheld, let the weight of the sander be the applied pressure, i.e.., don't apply additional pressure, while sanding. Sonny |
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On 12/12/2014 5:58 PM, Sonny wrote:
On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:20:56 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing As a hobbyist, I've been using a 1975 Craftsman 4X24 handheld belt sander. I flip it over, as Russell, to use as a stationary. Just recently, it is showing signs of the brushes or something wearing out. It's been making ugly groaning noises at startup. After a minute or 2, it sounds better, but it's not purring. I vote get a good handheld, for now..... heavy weight and increase AMPs. With the handheld, let the weight of the sander be the applied pressure, i.e., don't apply additional pressure, while sanding. Sonny I have a Ryobi handheld that is like the Bosch. It has a sanding frame so it can be used for large flattening. The frame is great. The flat top on it makes it easy to flip over but I don't need to use it. Like I said b4. -- Jeff |
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These are good points. Get a heavy belt sander and use it upside down when
you need to. Two jobs in one. For a disc sander, make your own. I used an old motor and mounted a pulley on it, then drilled and tapped three screw holes to hold a round piece of MDF for the disc sandpaper base. You can stick the shaft of the motor out a little past the pulley to use as a pilot center for the disc to keep it centered. I made a rest for the wood out of some plywood and hinged it with some piano hinge on the sides, so I can tilt the rest and sand bevels. On the rest, I also put two threaded inserts to hold a fixed miter gauge so I can repeat the same angle again and again. this is a case where power is not real important. If you press hard enough into the disc that you need a bigger motor, all you do is load up or ruin the sandpaper. I think mine is about 1/5 HP, or about 4 amps. "woodchucker" wrote in message ... On 12/12/2014 5:58 PM, Sonny wrote: On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:20:56 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing As a hobbyist, I've been using a 1975 Craftsman 4X24 handheld belt sander. I flip it over, as Russell, to use as a stationary. Just recently, it is showing signs of the brushes or something wearing out. It's been making ugly groaning noises at startup. After a minute or 2, it sounds better, but it's not purring. I vote get a good handheld, for now..... heavy weight and increase AMPs. With the handheld, let the weight of the sander be the applied pressure, i.e., don't apply additional pressure, while sanding. Sonny I have a Ryobi handheld that is like the Bosch. It has a sanding frame so it can be used for large flattening. The frame is great. The flat top on it makes it easy to flip over but I don't need to use it. Like I said b4. -- Jeff --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... Didn't I say I was making push sticks? And, I mean ones suitable for giving away to friends. : ) |
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Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... Didn't I say I was making push sticks? And, I mean ones suitable for giving away to friends. : ) Now that's a Christmas gift idea. I'd order one for my wife but I'm afraid she'd use it on me... -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... I'm learning. Look what John taught me with his post! And I learned quite a bit about air compressors, and their substitutes such as electric paint sprayers, last week! I'm sure if you lived next door and could provide me with your instruction that I would be further along. And I could maybe borrow your tools! ; ) Bill |
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Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... I'm learning. Look what John taught me with his post! And I learned quite a bit about air compressors, and their substitutes such as electric paint sprayers, last week! I'm sure if you lived next door and could provide me with your instruction that I would be further along. And I could maybe borrow your tools! ; ) Oh no - you probably don't want to take advice from me! Unless you like learning things the hard way, that is. -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). OOPs, I just double-checked, that is 3.5 Amps, rated at 3/4HP (ha ha ha!) Bill - I you still on the hunt to buy equipment before you actually even start using anything? You're going to end up with a cool shop worth of stuff that has never even been used. Come on Boy - get using some of the stuff you've got... Maybe I should go to the doctor and find out whether I have an Iron deficiency? ; ) |
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"Bill" wrote in message ...
Maybe I should go to the doctor and find out whether I have an Iron deficiency? ; ) LOL |
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On 12/13/2014 1:08 AM, Bill wrote:
Maybe I should go to the doctor and find out whether I have an Iron deficiency? ; ) Better than a wood deficiency... (hey, *somebody* had to say it) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Not sure its a good recommendation or not. I have a Makita belt sander. 4x24 inch I think. The big handheld belt sander. I have a wood contraption I can turn it over and use it as a stationary sander. Small stationary sander compared to the dedicated models. Kind of a dual purpose machine with the little homemade stand.
On Friday, December 12, 2014 1:15:55 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not).* I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand).* I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope".* I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment.* I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill |
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"Bill" wrote in message
Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope". I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill I have a Rikon. It is alright. I use the disk a lot, belt rarely. If I had it to do over, I would probably go for a 12" disk (only) sander and skip the belt. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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"dadiOH" wrote in :
"Bill" wrote in message Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope". I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill I have a Rikon. It is alright. I use the disk a lot, belt rarely. If I had it to do over, I would probably go for a 12" disk (only) sander and skip the belt. I'd agree with dadiOH. I have a 4x24 stationary belt+disk sander (ancient Delta model) which very very rarely gets used. Generally only if I need to adjust the size of a piece of particle board or something like that that I don't want to use a plane on(*). The disk & table can be useful. More often the hand-held belt sander is more useful than the stationary belt. (you can plane particle board, of course, but only if you don't mind sharpening the blade frequently). John |
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On 12/12/2014 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started reading reviews at HF on the 3.8 Amp one they have on sale for $59.99. I know this is a "mistake" (maybe, maybe not). I kept reading reviews, of all related units, 1/3 HP, 1/2 HP, 3/4 HP..., 1.5HP (and even 2-3HP for people making knives, evidently they appreciate the *consistency* offered by greater power). The only group that really seemed happy, leaving out the knife makers, were those that had the 1.5HP (say Jet, at $1400, with a closed stand). I guess this is what is known as the "slippery slope". I could probably make due with my Nicholson rasp and sandpaper due to my "low volume". As Lew would say, my increased knowledge turned me into a "window shopper" for the moment. I just thought I would see how happy people here are with what they are using (particularly if it's still available in the market place). Bill I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding. -- Jeff |
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Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew Tonight I worked my way from there. To the Ridgid oss/edge sander combo tool ($200) which I looked at long enough until it started seeming cheap (i.e. of somewhat low quality) to me. Then up to the Jet benchtop 12" sander and OSS which are about $1K for the two. The Jet OSS as well as the Ridgid OSS both have mitered (tilting) tables. It seems like a nice way to bevel off the corners (of many things). I will see how I do first with the spokeshave and hand plane (as John suggested). I am likely to enjoy the peace and quiet they offer. Bill |
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On 12/13/2014 12:49 AM, Bill wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew Tonight I worked my way from there. To the Ridgid oss/edge sander combo tool ($200) which I looked at long enough until it started seeming cheap (i.e. of somewhat low quality) to me. Then up to the Jet benchtop 12" sander and OSS which are about $1K for the two. The Jet OSS as well as the Ridgid OSS both have mitered (tilting) tables. It seems like a nice way to bevel off the corners (of many things). I will see how I do first with the spokeshave and hand plane (as John suggested). I am likely to enjoy the peace and quiet they offer. Bill The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal and is surprisingly well made. -- Jeff |
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woodchucker wrote:
On 12/13/2014 12:49 AM, Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew Tonight I worked my way from there. To the Ridgid oss/edge sander combo tool ($200) which I looked at long enough until it started seeming cheap (i.e. of somewhat low quality) to me. Then up to the Jet benchtop 12" sander and OSS which are about $1K for the two. The Jet OSS as well as the Ridgid OSS both have mitered (tilting) tables. It seems like a nice way to bevel off the corners (of many things). I will see how I do first with the spokeshave and hand plane (as John suggested). I am likely to enjoy the peace and quiet they offer. Bill The rigid is not a cheap tool. It's got an induction motor not universal and is surprisingly well made. Thank you for your comment, Jeff. Coming back "down to Earth", that tool should probably be on my short wish list. Probably a common situation among those here, my wife was urging me to go to the store to choose a tool for myself for Christmas. I'll watch whether maybe the Ridgid edge/OSS goes on sale in the next few weeks. In the meantime, I'll try out my spokeshave! : ) I think my 2 spokeshaves, which I picked up at auction, are flat (as opposed to round), but it should be okay... I ordered this book and gave it to my wife to wrap up for Christmas "40 Power Tools You Can Make (Woodworking Classics)" I hope she likes it! ; ) Bill |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew Here you go Lew, here's both in one: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Osci...c-Sander/G0529 |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Bill wrote: Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw snip --------------------------------------------- It's a classic POS product, IMHO. Better to get a 12" disk sander and a separate spindle sander. Even at H/F, you are looking at $140 apiece, but at least you will have some decent equipment. Lew I have a disk sander (as well as belt sanders, and others) and I find that I seldom use it. Seems like I alternate between needing coarse grit for evening something out and fine for other uses. I HATE changing the disk, and often cannot use it again because the glue sticks to the metal instead of coming off with the sandpaper. It is much easier to change a belt. Maybe I need several disk sanders with different grits on them. -- GW Ross The more you explain it, the less I understand it -- Twain |
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I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding. |
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On 12/13/2014 8:11 PM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote: I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding. you would melt the polyc. that's because they are induction motors while the hand held are universal motors. The induction can not be speed controlled by voltage. -- Jeff |
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woodchucker wrote:
On 12/13/2014 8:11 PM, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding. you would melt the polyc. that's because they are induction motors while the hand held are universal motors. The induction can not be speed controlled by voltage. Thank you for that short lesson about motors, it is worth remembering! I went and visited the Ridgid sander at Home Depot tonight, and went to Menards too, as long as I was driving by, for the stated purpose of checking sanding tube availability, as well as window shopping the pneumatic tools. I have to say that the MasterForce (Menards brand) tools appear that they would hold up better than the Ridgid brand tools to me. I'd pay more to get more. I think the Ridgid sander is intended to be a "consumable" much like Swingman described the 3-6 gallon air compressors. I think the same applied to all of the "plastic" handheld power tools at Menards, I suppose--that's just about ALL they have. I don't argue that they don't provide good value. I saw someone write, "they won't remind you of your grandfather's tools...". Somewhere tucked in the back of my memory is a Porter Cable belt sander from 1978, or so--that someone was Proud to show me. They didn't have anything bigger than a 3" plastic handheld belt sander at Menards. The salesman said that's what the "average joe" wants. Lew has told me before, I was shopping in the wrong places. I'll give my hand tools a spin. Cheers, Bill |
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Bill wrote:
I have to say that the MasterForce (Menards brand) tools appear that they would hold up better than the Ridgid brand tools to me. I'd pay more to get more. I think the Ridgid sander is intended to be a "consumable" much like Swingman described the 3-6 gallon air compressors. I've never been in a Menards store Bill, so I have no idea what the quality of their private label tools are, but I can tell you that Ridgid brand is a very good brand of tool. It would surprise me if a chain store sold a private label tool that was superior in quality to it. -- -Mike- |
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They didn't have anything bigger than a 3" plastic handheld belt sander at Menards. The salesman said that's what the "average joe" wants. FWIW, a 4" handheld belt sander can be tedious to use. For most applications a 3x21 is sufficient and easier to handle. John |
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On 12/13/2014 10:59 PM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote: On 12/13/2014 8:11 PM, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I also have a 1" wide crapsman that I love too. I use it mostly for metal but also replace the belt for wood that needs a small belt or an inside done as this can be threaded through and remounted to do inside sanding. you would melt the polyc. that's because they are induction motors while the hand held are universal motors. The induction can not be speed controlled by voltage. Thank you for that short lesson about motors, it is worth remembering! I went and visited the Ridgid sander at Home Depot tonight, and went to Menards too, as long as I was driving by, for the stated purpose of checking sanding tube availability, as well as window shopping the pneumatic tools. I have to say that the MasterForce (Menards brand) tools appear that they would hold up better than the Ridgid brand tools to me. I'd pay more to get more. I think the Ridgid sander is intended to be a "consumable" much like Swingman described the 3-6 gallon air compressors. I think the same applied to all of the "plastic" handheld power tools at Menards, I suppose--that's just about ALL they have. I don't argue that they don't provide good value. I saw someone write, "they won't remind you of your grandfather's tools...". Somewhere tucked in the back of my memory is a Porter Cable belt sander from 1978, or so--that someone was Proud to show me. They didn't have anything bigger than a 3" plastic handheld belt sander at Menards. The salesman said that's what the "average joe" wants. Lew has told me before, I was shopping in the wrong places. I'll give my hand tools a spin. Cheers, Bill Most hand held tools today are plastic Bill. In many ways it's superior. It's lighter, it's self insulating (electrically). It can drop without cracking the case to some degree. Even the Festools are plastic Bill. I think you are being too critical. With your experience I think most will work for you. -- Jeff |
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woodchucker wrote: I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I have no idea what "BS marks" might be but it sands OK to remove/shape material. All plastics do but you get a buildup of fused particles along the trailing edge. Easy to knock off with a file or knife. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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dadiOH wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message woodchucker wrote: I found a unit that I rebuilt. I use it a lot. I also recently aquired a Rigid belt and spindle.. haven't used it much, didn't like the belt as much as I thought, prefer my old one. I do like the spindle and oscilation, and dust collection. But if I didn't have the old one I might appreciate the belt more. I'm curious how well it would work on polycarbonate, to "remove BS marks". I may have to buy one to find out... I think it would either work "great" or "crappy" (melting the poly). Interesting that NONE of the benchtop units are variable speed, unlike most of their handheld counterparts. I have no idea what "BS marks" might be but it sands OK to remove/shape material. All plastics do but you get a buildup of fused particles along the trailing edge. Easy to knock off with a file or knife. Sorry, "BS marks" = marks left by a band saw. Thank you for your answer! Bill |
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... Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started I'd be curious to know the shape of these push sticks. This as my initial reaction was to use a jointer or a hand plane and/or spoke shave to smooth them. Pretty much any outside curve can be handled with a plane and inside curves with a spoke shave. Using these tools could turn out to be faster than the rasp or sanding... |
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John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message ... Thinking a stationary belt/disk sander might be just the thing for smoothing push sticks cut out of yellow pine with my band saw, I started I'd be curious to know the shape of these push sticks. This as my initial reaction was to use a jointer or a hand plane and/or spoke shave to smooth them. Pretty much any outside curve can be handled with a plane and inside curves with a spoke shave. Using these tools could turn out to be faster than the rasp or sanding... Thank you for that insight, John! It had not occurred to me to use a plane or a spoke shave for the curves--and it was *never* going to occur to me to use a plane that way! I appreciate the lesson! Bill |
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Bill wrote in
: John Grossbohlin wrote: I'd be curious to know the shape of these push sticks. This as my initial reaction was to use a jointer or a hand plane and/or spoke shave to smooth them. Pretty much any outside curve can be handled with a plane and inside curves with a spoke shave. Using these tools could turn out to be faster than the rasp or sanding... Thank you for that insight, John! It had not occurred to me to use a plane or a spoke shave for the curves--and it was *never* going to occur to me to use a plane that way! I appreciate the lesson! To back up what John(*) said, if you don't have one of these: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/...-block-planes? node=4072 or something similar, you need one. It's the most useful tool in the shop, ideal for making tiny adjustments in length or thickness, putting a quick chamfer on an edge, making a square- section piece into a round section (I used mine to make the mast & yards for my sailing dingy)...you'll find it's always on your bench. John (* sometimes I think there's too many of us Johns) |
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John McCoy wrote:
Bill wrote in : John Grossbohlin wrote: I'd be curious to know the shape of these push sticks. This as my initial reaction was to use a jointer or a hand plane and/or spoke shave to smooth them. Pretty much any outside curve can be handled with a plane and inside curves with a spoke shave. Using these tools could turn out to be faster than the rasp or sanding... Thank you for that insight, John! It had not occurred to me to use a plane or a spoke shave for the curves--and it was *never* going to occur to me to use a plane that way! I appreciate the lesson! To back up what John(*) said, if you don't have one of these: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/...-block-planes? node=4072 or something similar, you need one. Lie_Nielsen, huh? I have "something similar"! Cheers, Bill It's the most useful tool in the shop, ideal for making tiny adjustments in length or thickness, putting a quick chamfer on an edge, making a square- section piece into a round section (I used mine to make the mast & yards for my sailing dingy)...you'll find it's always on your bench. John (* sometimes I think there's too many of us Johns) |
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Bill wrote in news:m6i5lb01mq7
@news7.newsguy.com: John McCoy wrote: To back up what John(*) said, if you don't have one of these: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/...-block-planes? node=4072 or something similar, you need one. Lie_Nielsen, huh? I have "something similar"! Not so long ago, if you wanted a plane your choice was either rehabilitating an old Stanley, or buying from Lie-Nielsen. Now there are more choices in quality planes, but out of habit I always recommend L-N. (plus many of the Veritas planes are just plain ugly, whereas the L-N all look like a tool should look). John |
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"Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for it).
Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk sander works better than a larger more powerful one? For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP. I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet of abrasives)? I'm sure in this case that the 12" unit is built to higher standards: has a nicer table and is "industrial strength". But that's sort of a different question. They probably make industrial strength 3/4hp 9" disk sanders too; I just haven't seen them where I shop. Bill |
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"Bill" wrote in message
"Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for it). Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk sander works better than a larger more powerful one? For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP. I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet of abrasives)? Well, the outside three inches will be moving farther in a given time but I don't know if that is a benefit or vice versa. Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy to burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do. Still, I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they charge more for them, no idea why. Somewhere in this thread - I think it was this thread, I've sorta lost track - someone mentioned the nuisance factor of changing grit on a disk sander. True. The solution is, put on an 80 grit disk and never change it until it is worn out then stick on a new 80 grit, on top of the old one or on the plate, your choice. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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dadiOH wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message "Stupid" disk sander question (this thread seems like a good place for it). Are there wood sanding applications where a smaller, less powerful disk sander works better than a larger more powerful one? For instance, 9" 3/4-HP, versus 12" 1 HP. I know sandpaper would be cheaper for the smaller one, but that's not what I'm talking about. Clearly the larger disk gives you more working room, but is there a downside to it (besides the higher cost per sheet of abrasives)? Well, the outside three inches will be moving farther in a given time but I don't know if that is a benefit or vice versa. Most disk sanders seem to be about 3500 rpm; at that speed, it is easy to burn wood, need to have a light touch which is easy enough to do. Still, I'd rather have one that is doing 1750 rpm; trouble is, they charge more for them, no idea why. All of the 12" ones I saw said 1725-1750 RPM, except Jet didn't list the RPM (I would expect the same). The 9" one I was looking at (part of a belt/disk combo unit) said 3100 RPM. Interesting. The circumference of a disk is directly proportion to the diameter. 12*1750 =21000 (*3.14) feet per minute, at the edge. 9*3100 = 27900 (*3.14) feet per minute at the edge, so these numbers are NOT different by factor of 2, like it appears at first glance. More like 25% difference. And the 1 HP number probably has more integrity. Thanks for making me think! Bill Somewhere in this thread - I think it was this thread, I've sorta lost track - someone mentioned the nuisance factor of changing grit on a disk sander. True. The solution is, put on an 80 grit disk and never change it until it is worn out then stick on a new 80 grit, on top of the old one or on the plate, your choice. |
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