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Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my
wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/catego...xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote:
Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. More hassle and extra tools. From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 29/05/2020 19:22, David wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. More hassle and extra tools. From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. Cheers Dave R A hardwired CAT5e link with wall mounted sockets is the best 'permanent' solution, but you don't need punchdown tools. Some CAT5e socket modules just have a press-on cover plate that pushes all 8 wires in in one go. There are those plug-in things that carry ethernet over mains wiring for a quick fix. Lifetime before failure ? - variable. |
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Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable with plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer.
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"David" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). yes I know If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. I'm having a man drill holes through the walls. It only needs to go up one wall along two ceilings (hall/bedroom) and back down the wall again Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Yes, but better moulded plugs :-) Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. my WiFi give me 12 Mbps (when it works properly) but thinking of upgrading to FTTC If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. do they have crossovers in? won't one crossover undo the other or do I have third crossover in the wall Or doesn't Ethernet crossover at all? More hassle and extra tools. That's clear, but is it DIYable with amateur tools? From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. tlc don't have 15m cable (or anything longer than 10) starting with 2 gives me the option of converting to 3 later (when I next want to decorate), by the addition of two sockets, but if I do that, do I need new cable or can I just cut the plugs off the one that's there? |
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"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 29/05/2020 19:22, David wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. More hassle and extra tools. From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. Cheers Dave R A hardwired CAT5e link with wall mounted sockets is the best 'permanent' solution, but you don't need punchdown tools. Some CAT5e socket modules just have a press-on cover plate that pushes all 8 wires in in one go. that sounds a weird solution starting with a circular cable? There are those plug-in things that carry ethernet over mains wiring for a quick fix. Lifetime before failure ? - variable. I'm going to end up a with Christmas tree of plugs in the hallway, I don't think this will be a good solution I'm also not sure that hall and bedroom are on the same ring (yes I know that I could test by turning it off at the CU) The man's coming next week to do other work. It wont cost me any more for him to drill a couple of holes and fix some trucking as I pay him a day rate and don't have enough other work. so 5 pounds of cable and 10 pounds for trunking is the cheapest solution |
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"Tricky Dicky" wrote in message ... Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it what I had in the last house admittedly it was a preinstalled extension, not a dIYed one it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable with plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. I'm concerned that if I do this I will mess up connecting the cable to the connections in the socket tim |
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On 29/05/2020 19:44, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable with plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. That is rubbish. I tried an experiment and adding 30m of decent cable to my ADSL circuit. It was only borderline detectable with 0.1dB loss some of which was almost certainly the extra inline connectors. No difference in sync speed at all. That said I wouldn't recommend running a long phone extension and split it near the modem. The way mine is done is to split it at the master socket and then run ADSL only down from the loft to my office and POTS on the other circuit. You don't want to encourage extra interference. For reasons best known to themselves BT thought it would be fun to put my master socket in the loft on the front wall brickwork. This means a bit of a trek and faffing about whenever there is a reportable line fault. No mains in the loft so plugging a modem into the master socket requires a fair bit of effort moving things into position. Belgacom in Belgium were worse - they installed my ISDN service as a feature artwork in the dining room with a myriad of blinking LEDs. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Friday, 29 May 2020 18:38:15 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. The somewhat-lateral approach to that problem is to run the router's power supply over the ethernet cable between the router and a central location. https://i.stack.imgur.com/8yS3u.png at https://superuser.com/questions/1311...our-fttp-point and makes the point it can make it easier to put the router onto a UPS near all the other network equipment. Owain |
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On Friday, 29 May 2020 18:38:15 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) You don't, that's handled by Ethernet - and most adapters now handle crossovers if they occur inadvertently. I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Probably not. Don't use CCA / aluminium cable. Owain |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:47 +0100, tim... wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). yes I know If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. I'm having a man drill holes through the walls. It only needs to go up one wall along two ceilings (hall/bedroom) and back down the wall again Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Yes, but better moulded plugs :-) Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. my WiFi give me 12 Mbps (when it works properly) but thinking of upgrading to FTTC If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. do they have crossovers in? won't one crossover undo the other or do I have third crossover in the wall Or doesn't Ethernet crossover at all? More hassle and extra tools. That's clear, but is it DIYable with amateur tools? From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. tlc don't have 15m cable (or anything longer than 10) starting with 2 gives me the option of converting to 3 later (when I next want to decorate), by the addition of two sockets, but if I do that, do I need new cable or can I just cut the plugs off the one that's there? One thing - if your man is drilling holes in the wall they need to be a lot, lot bigger to take a moulded on plug than they do to just take a cable with no plug on the end. However if you are happy with that it seems straightforward. About crossover. Modern kit detects if this is needed. Back in the day you had to worry about this, but not in the last {mumble} years. Anyway, if I understand correctly you are effectively just running a long patch cable from your router to your PC, just like you would use a short patch cable if the two were side by side. So if you go for that option crossover isn't an issue. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Tricky Dicky writes Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable with plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. Limited knowledge alert.. don't you need to position your router where you get best wi-fi transmission? All my visitors seem to expect good links for their pads and phones! I have a part used drum of cat6 you can fetch:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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On 29/05/2020 18:37, tim... wrote:
Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer Not a good option really - you will get best BB performance with the router connected to the master socket fitted with a face plate filter. Preferably without additional extension wiring, or at least with the bell wire disconnected (and re-created at point of use with a PABX master socket) 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. Yup cheap and easy. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. A more elegant solution, since you can now run the wiring in solid core CAT5e rather than with a stranded patch lead. Both do the job, but the solid core is easier to route and dress along the way. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power.Â* This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres CAT5e in either case. Preferably proper copper cable and not Copper Clad Steel (CCS) or Copper Clad Aluminium (CCA). I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect Its cheap because, patch leads are dirt cheap at trade(ish) prices, and, its CCA - so cheap cable. In reality at 10m it will work fine. OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/catego...xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only And still CCA. Somewhere like : https://www.comms-express.com/categories/cat5e-rj45-ethernet-cable-patch-leads-cables/?finder=rj45¶ms=Category|Cat5e,UTP%20/%20FTP|UTP,Length|10mt Usually only do copper. If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up?Â* How do I Yup, especially if you get decent quality CAT5e modules. I like these: https://www.comms-express.com/produc...ttered-module/ They have wire retention that gets a good grip on the strands and hold the wire in place prior to punch down. They are marked with only the TIA 568 B colours, so they are less confusing to wire and that reduces the chase of accidentally getting different standards used on each end! Note they are quite deep, which makes them less fiddly to wire - but you need the slightly deeper bevel edge frame: https://www.comms-express.com/produc...late-bevelled/ handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) No need to - router to computer is straight through, and in reality, all modern kit will auto detect and configure as required anyway. I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable The guideline is normally no tighter than 4x the cable diameter (about 1"). In reality on short runs you can go tighter. Cat5e UTP is quite flexible and will stay where you put it. STAP, or CAT6 and up, less so. Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking?Â* Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? If you fit a reasonable size of trunking, then yup. Anything else? If doing socket to socket installs, it always makes sense to install a pair of cables and double CAT5e modules at each end. That leave options in the future, is little extra effort, and the materials are cheap. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 29/05/2020 19:59, tim... wrote:
"Tricky Dicky" wrote in message ... Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it what I had in the last house admittedly it was a preinstalled extension, not a dIYed one it should be connected directly to the BT/OpenreachÂ* master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable withÂ* plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. I'm concerned that if I do this I will mess up connecting the cable to the connections in the socket You would have to try really hard! Basically eight wires, and the same number of terminals. Push each wire into the matching colour terminal, then punch it down. Just make sure you have the tool the right way round so that it trims off the excess length on the far end of the wire! :-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 29/05/2020 19:48, tim... wrote:
"David" wrote in message Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Yes, but better moulded plugs :-) Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. my WiFi give me 12 Mbps (when it works properly) but thinking of upgrading to FTTC FTTC tops out at 80 Mbps, so your ethernet speed is not going to be a limiting factor for a single connection. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. do they have crossovers in? No won't one crossover undo the other Yes it would - but you don't need crossovers anywhere. Straight through connection from network card to network switch (i.e. the router) is normal. (and modern switches have auto Medium Dependent Interfaces anyway - so will configure themselves to work with either cable) More hassle and extra tools. That's clear, but is it DIYable with amateur tools? It is. And a neater, more reliable and more "professional" job. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap Because it's copper clad aluminium. |
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On 29/05/2020 20:44, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Tricky Dicky writes Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable withÂ* plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. Limited knowledge alert.. don't you need to position your router where you get best wi-fi transmission? All my visitors seem to expect good links for their pads and phones! Yup one of the common conflicts of interest in a "one box does all" router solution. Often the master socket will be at a far corner of the building, and the ideal place for a single wifi point right in the middle of it. Multiple Wireless Access Points (either wired, or these days "meshing") can solve that problem nicely. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house If you're made of money, you can fix this by drilling zero holes. They're called mesh routers. The author of this article, works at Arstechnica today. https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...viewed?start=3 (This article is a bit silly. Not all the articles are keepers.) https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...system-secrets On some of these kinds of sites, it's better to search them from Google, than use their local search. Google for site:smallnetbuilder.com mesh router review and Google will dig up more examples. Price-wise, think of it as "buying 3 routers of a special type". A waste of money, except if money is not an issue. Sometimes, pulling wire just isn't an option, depending on what's in the walls. What you'd want, is backhaul done on 5GHz, leaving 2.4GHz for "the usual" 802.11N stuff in the computers themselves. Usually the computer end is behind the times. But 5GHz doesn't penetrate walls all that well, and if it does both backhaul and normal communications on 2.4GHz, then things could be a bit choppy. There are also repeaters and access points. Perhaps running an extension cable is easier in the basement, to some sort of Wifi solution, then "point" the Wifi antenna towards the first floor. If the device has removable antennas, you can use a directional antenna to reach the first floor (that's if your first attempt to reach the first floor, didn't work). There may be a solution in three dimensions you can dream up, to reach an "inaccessible" spot. There is also power line networking. But that's pretty low on my list. Spraying 2.4GHz and 5GHz is better, because those bands are already a write-off from an RF perspective. Paul |
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Tricky Dicky wrote
Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 21:40:42 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
Or cheat... work out the best place for the comms hub with power, central location, space for equipment etc, and move the phone master socket(s) to there! I was very lucky here. The previous occupants of teh house lived downstairs, and elderly mother lived upstairs (her daughter had mobility problems, and she didn't). She had the master phone socket fitted in her living room (previous large upstairs bedroom), and a cable was run to an extension downstairs. This happened to be the room we chose as an office (the other large bedroom wasn't as convenient, and a bit smaller). The corner where the master socket was located was already chosen for the equipment rack. So the router is about 0.5 metres from the master socket. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:46:38 +1000, Jake56 wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. True. But arguably it it isn't in such an electrically noisy environment. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 29/05/2020 18:37, tim... wrote:
Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. Ethernet over powerline will do quite nicely unless you need really high speed or have other constraints that prevent it from working. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres Bog standard cat-5 cable will do if you know what you are doing and don't want to use insanely high speeds over long distances. The faster you want to go the more exacting the curvature requirements are. You will need tooling to attach the fitting to the ends of any cables or alternatively oversized holes in the walls. I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/catego...xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up?Â* How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking?Â* Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? My advice would be to try internet over mains first. I do have both hardwired connections and powerline ethernet in my house. The hardwired ones are reserved for streaming video and large file transfers the rest can go on the mains. Amazingly ethernet over mains works for me across two different ringmains which I was surprised at. Speed is well down on the headline figure but still way faster than my 5Mbps ADSL 2+. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:46:38 +1000, Jake56 wrote: Tricky Dicky wrote Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. True. But arguably it it isn't in such an electrically noisy environment. Its actually in a more electrically noisy environment outside the house with the traffic ignition noise etc. And it isnt electrical noise that determines the broadband speed anyway. |
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On 29/05/2020 23:47, Jake56 wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:46:38 +1000, Jake56 wrote: Tricky Dicky wrote Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/OpenreachÂ* master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. True. But arguably it it isn't in such an electrically noisy environment. Its actually in a more electrically noisy environment outside the house with the traffic ignition noise etc. And it isnt electrical noise that determines the broadband speed anyway. actually it largely is...all te other broadband users on the same cable run will produce more noise than the radio stations do in total -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun". |
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I'd not use mains plug internet adaptors, they create massive radio noise
locally and with some appliances plugged in can be pretty poor at actually doing what they are supposed to. What about this new Mesh system I keep reading about? Is it any good? Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 29/05/2020 19:22, David wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. More hassle and extra tools. From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. Cheers Dave R A hardwired CAT5e link with wall mounted sockets is the best 'permanent' solution, but you don't need punchdown tools. Some CAT5e socket modules just have a press-on cover plate that pushes all 8 wires in in one go. There are those plug-in things that carry ethernet over mains wiring for a quick fix. Lifetime before failure ? - variable. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 29/05/2020 23:47, Jake56 wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:46:38 +1000, Jake56 wrote: Tricky Dicky wrote Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. True. But arguably it it isn't in such an electrically noisy environment. Its actually in a more electrically noisy environment outside the house with the traffic ignition noise etc. And it isnt electrical noise that determines the broadband speed anyway. actually it largely is...all te other broadband users on the same cable run will produce more noise than the radio stations do in total But the cable is twisted pairs and its not radio stations, it the ignitions in the traffic thats much worse than any electrical noise inside the house. And the speed you get with broadband isnt determined by the noise level anyway, its determined by the length of the run of copper pairs in the street cable. -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun". |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote
I'd not use mains plug internet adaptors, they create massive radio noise locally and with some appliances plugged in can be pretty poor at actually doing what they are supposed to. What about this new Mesh system I keep reading about? Is it any good? Yep, works well but not that cheap. "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 29/05/2020 19:22, David wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. More hassle and extra tools. From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. Cheers Dave R A hardwired CAT5e link with wall mounted sockets is the best 'permanent' solution, but you don't need punchdown tools. Some CAT5e socket modules just have a press-on cover plate that pushes all 8 wires in in one go. There are those plug-in things that carry ethernet over mains wiring for a quick fix. Lifetime before failure ? - variable. |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 29 May 2020 18:38:15 UTC+1, tim... wrote: 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) You don't, that's handled by Ethernet - and most adapters now handle crossovers if they occur inadvertently. ok I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Probably not. probably not, what? Don't use CCA / aluminium cable. I had no intention of doing so tim |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:47 +0100, tim... wrote: "David" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:37:05 +0100, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect OTOH http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/category.php? terms=28-0100Y&source=googleproducts&gclid=CjwKCAjw5cL2BRAS EiwAENqAPuPpagMT2lBOQai1pqjaU6fA0QONhltF9pymPnyQ2k- BGaUVEXjn3xoCuyEQAvD_BwE looks better, but is mail order only If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable Will I be able to get around the 90 degree corner as I go up the side of a wall and then turn to go along the ceiling, all inside trucking? Will I have to go around that corner outside trucking to avoid bending the cable too much? Anything else? Ta Tim You have linked to a 10 metre patch cable at TLC so that will only work for option (2). yes I know If that will work for you (and you have no issues getting the cable through doorways and still having the door shut) then that seems an easy option. Assuming that you really only need 10 metres. I'm having a man drill holes through the walls. It only needs to go up one wall along two ceilings (hall/bedroom) and back down the wall again Again you cabling4less link shows a cable with plugs at both ends. Yes, but better moulded plugs :-) Cat5e cable is fine unless you want speeds over a Gigabit per second. my WiFi give me 12 Mbps (when it works properly) but thinking of upgrading to FTTC If you want to install a socket in your office and another by the router then you will need a length of Cat5e cable, two sockets and a punch down tool to wire up the back of the sockets. Plus a patch cable from the socket to the computer ans the socket to the router. do they have crossovers in? won't one crossover undo the other or do I have third crossover in the wall Or doesn't Ethernet crossover at all? More hassle and extra tools. That's clear, but is it DIYable with amateur tools? From your description I would go for option 2 but get a 15 metre cable because you always need more length than you think. tlc don't have 15m cable (or anything longer than 10) starting with 2 gives me the option of converting to 3 later (when I next want to decorate), by the addition of two sockets, but if I do that, do I need new cable or can I just cut the plugs off the one that's there? One thing - if your man is drilling holes in the wall they need to be a lot, lot bigger to take a moulded on plug than they do to just take a cable with no plug on the end. However if you are happy with that it seems straightforward. About crossover. Modern kit detects if this is needed. Back in the day you had to worry about this, but not in the last {mumble} years. Anyway, if I understand correctly you are effectively just running a long patch cable from your router to your PC, just like you would use a short patch cable if the two were side by side. That's the default solution but ideally I'd like proper sockets on the wall instead tim |
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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message ... In message , Tricky Dicky writes Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Option 3 to me is the obvious solution and rather than using cable with plugs on, use Cat5e cable and two sockets with fly leads to the router and computer. Limited knowledge alert.. don't you need to position your router where you get best wi-fi transmission? my router is where it is, by the phone socket in the hallway All my visitors seem to expect good links for their pads and phones! all visitors to my property get what they get I think you can surmise I don't have too many visitors for which wifi connection is a big issue I have a part used drum of cat6 you can fetch:-) unless you are very near, collecting it would cost more than buying new thanks tim |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:46:38 +1000, Jake56 wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote Do not connect your router/modem to an extension socket on the phone network it should be connected directly to the BT/Openreach master socket with the shortest modem lead you can manage. Thats bull****. There is FAR more copper lead between the master socket and the exchange or node than there is to any extension socket. There's some truth, but it's oversimplified. The phone line is a twisted pair, which resists interference. The master socket splits out a bell wire (which isn't needed by most modern phones, but older ones need it). This means that the line is no longer balanced, you have three wires not two. If you use a plug-in extension, or follow the standard BT extension plan, you'll extend this unbalanced line which can pick up interference. Also a lot of "extension" cable you can buy in the DIY shops is poor quality - and extension cables are often flat with no twist. The correct way to do things is fit a filter at the master socket - something like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231901235940 if you've got a square NTE5A or this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323768321976 for the new NTE5C. Take a dedicated extension to the router, using only one pair and proper CW1308 copper (not CCA) cable. Take all the phones from the filtered terminals using a separate cable. The router lead does want to be as short as possible, as these usually aren't twisted, though if you can find a twisted-pair RJ11 lead the length shouldn't matter. Done like this you should see no drop in speed. Theoretically there's some, due to the extra length and impedance discontinuity at the master socket, but it's tiny compared with the line itself. On the other hand, use a 20m tinsel-wire flat cable to extend your line, and you may well see a substantial drop in speed. Mike |
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On 30/05/2020 08:15, Jake56 wrote:
actually it largely is...all te other broadband users on the same cable run will produce more noise than the radio stations do in total But the cable is twisted pairs and its not radio stations, it the ignitions in the traffic thats much worse than any electrical noise inside the house. It being twisted will affect any noise it is subject to. It doesn't apopoly soleley to i=gnition noise. And the speed you get with broadband isnt determined by the noise level anyway, its determined by the length of the run of copper pairs in the street cable. Precisely. The longer the run the more pickup from adjacent cables and from radio stations. As well as the weaker the wanted signal. You seem to be rather weak on the theory of radio. I suggest you study the implications of near versus far field signals on twisted pair transmission lines, and the choice of ADSL bins versus the signal strength of the few remaining AM radio stations as well as the variation of recieved noise level with the time of day. Then a short diversions into interference suppression on modern cars equipped with - yes - AM radios as well, still - should disabuses you of any notion that you actually know what you are talking about. -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... On 29/05/2020 18:37, tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house So I'm thinking about how to add a fixed connection into my office the distance of cable required is 8-10m I have (I think) three choices: 1) add a telephone extension into the room, and move the router into that room and plug the Ethernet directly into the computer Not a good option really - you will get best BB performance with the router connected to the master socket fitted with a face plate filter. Preferably without additional extension wiring, or at least with the bell wire disconnected (and re-created at point of use with a PABX master socket) 2) run a standard cable (with a plug on each end) between the rooms. Yup cheap and easy. 3) add an Ethernet socket on the wall by the router, connected to another one in the office, plug the router into one, and the computer into the other. A more elegant solution, since you can now run the wiring in solid core CAT5e rather than with a stranded patch lead. Both do the job, but the solid core is easier to route and dress along the way. I'm hiding it in plastic trucking (having only recently decorated I'm not chasing walls and redecorating today) it will look exactly the same, whatever is inside it's only the flying ends that will look different In all cases I will have to run the cables round the walls, preferably in trunking. In the case of (1), I am limited to where I can put it as the router needs power. This has to be the last choice option. So, what are the pros and cons of each of these? Specifically, 1) do I need a particular grade of cable for 10 metres CAT5e in either case. Preferably proper copper cable and not Copper Clad Steel (CCS) or Copper Clad Aluminium (CCA). will they go round my 90 degree bends? I have found this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CX305R.html though it looks too cheap, but I can click and collect Its cheap because, patch leads are dirt cheap at trade(ish) prices, that not how pricing of sat cables works, least not last time I looked and, its CCA - so cheap cable. being cheap is good, if it works In reality at 10m it will work fine. ok https://www.comms-express.com/categories/cat5e-rj45-ethernet-cable-patch-leads-cables/?finder=rj45¶ms=Category|Cat5e,UTP%20/%20FTP|UTP,Length|10mt Usually only do copper. If I install sockets on the wall, are they easy to wire up? How do I Yup, especially if you get decent quality CAT5e modules. I like these: https://www.comms-express.com/produc...ttered-module/ so I need the tool to push the wires in They have wire retention that gets a good grip on the strands and hold the wire in place prior to punch down. They are marked with only the TIA 568 B colours, so they are less confusing to wire and that reduces the chase of accidentally getting different standards used on each end! Note they are quite deep, which makes them less fiddly to wire - but you need the slightly deeper bevel edge frame: https://www.comms-express.com/produc...late-bevelled/ handle Rx/Tx crossover (or don't I need to?) No need to - router to computer is straight through, and in reality, all modern kit will auto detect and configure as required anyway. I have read that there are restrictions on bending the cable The guideline is normally no tighter than 4x the cable diameter (about 1"). 1" diameter , radius, something else? thanks tim |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... tim... wrote: Some of you may have seen in another place that I am having trouble with my wireless connections in the house If you're made of money, you can fix this by drilling zero holes. They're called mesh routers. that's already been suggested elsewhere but it isn't a no-mess solution, because they presumably need power and (like most houses) I don't have power sockets at ceiling height tim |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Sat, 30 May 2020 17:15:49 +1000, Jake56, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Bod addressing senile Rot: "Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of trouble." Message-ID: |
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Lonely Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Sat, 30 May 2020 17:17:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian cretin's pathological trolling: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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Installing Ethernet cables
On Sat, 30 May 2020 08:54:19 +0100, tim... wrote:
and, its CCA - so cheap cable. being cheap is good, if it works I'd a void both CCS and CCA. Our telephone line is ali, highly unreliable, as the ali keeps fracturing in the IDC "jelly bean" conectors. Spark installed some CCS "CW1308" (interior telephone cable) from the master socket to router position, about 10 yards of cable. Using that made a dramatic reduction in ADSL rate. Fortunately I'd also specced a couple of (copper) Cat5e's as well, using one of them no problem. -- Cheers Dave. |
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