Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing
down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from
it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old
petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

--
Adam

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

On 06/08/2014 07:08 PM, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Fantastic effort by those attempting to keep it flying - I use to chip
in - but I fear it's just too expensive to keep it going for much
longer. As you say though, an awesome plane.

Andy C

"Corporal Jones" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing down the
runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from it's
exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old petrol engine with
a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer holidays near
Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan flew very low overhead, apart
from seeing every detail of it's undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf
eversince.

Barry


Indeed. Stealth bombers seem to have come on a lot since those days.


michael adams

....

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?



--
David P

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(



--
Adam

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.


I know, and it landed back in Doncaster at around 16:57.

--
Adam

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK, three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled
8 times in flight by a fleet of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which
themselves had to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km) and
16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged bombing raids in history
at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the Royal Air
Force[7]
because the British armed forces had been cut in the late seventies and the RAF may have
desired a greater role in the conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this day with some
independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the damage to the airfield and radars
being quickly repaired.[36] The runway continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until
the end of the war and was also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA
Pucarás.[38] As a result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist
about the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

....




--
David P

"charles" wrote in message
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In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


wiki is as reliable as harry

--
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In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

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"ARW" wrote in news:ln2bqf$ph0$1@dont-
email.me:

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.


I know, and it landed back in Doncaster at around 16:57.


An awesome project. To restore a complex 4 engined military aircraft that
uses obsolete electrics, etc and to get it approved by the CIVIL Aviation
Authorities is hell of an achievement. The fund raising has been done
imaginatively and professionally.

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing
down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from
it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old
petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats
a noise you would never forget.

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Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

In article , michael adams
wrote:

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK,

No, from Ascension Island


three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled 8 times in flight by a fleet
of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which themselves had
to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km)
and 16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged
bombing raids in history at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the
Royal Air Force[7] because the British armed forces had been cut in the
late seventies and the RAF may have desired a greater role in the
conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this
day with some independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the
damage to the airfield and radars being quickly repaired.[36] The runway
continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until the end of the war and was
also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA Pucarás.[38] As a
result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist about
the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

...




-- David P

--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 20:44:11 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats a
noise you would never forget.

I remember a cartoon in a book of Falklands military humour (still have
it somewhere):

Argentine soldiers watching a Vulcan drop a bomb on (well, near) the Port
Stanley runway:

"Caramba, Pedro [or some such]: If that's the size of their planes, how
big are their aircraft carriers??"



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The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

We had a CCF camp at RAF Waddington in the 1960s when it was home to the
nuclear deterrent Vulcans. One was loud but a flight taking off on one
of the quick-response exercises was awesome. But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.


--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

In article ,

....

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that
one other than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

wiki is as reliable as harry

Possibly, I'd rather trust the book -- Vulcan 607 by Rowland White
-- chronicling the Falklands mission. I found it a very interesting
read.

Don't forget the Vulcan fleet was being wound down and was within a
few months of being scrapped at the time of the Falklands raid. So
it was certainly something of an achievement to bring the fleet back
to operational status and mount the raid.
--
Dennis Davis

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , michael adams
wrote:

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK,

No, from Ascension Island


Yup, that being the black line on the map with the 6,300 km on it.




three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled 8 times in flight by a fleet
of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which themselves had
to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km)
and 16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged
bombing raids in history at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the
Royal Air Force[7] because the British armed forces had been cut in the
late seventies and the RAF may have desired a greater role in the
conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this
day with some independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the
damage to the airfield and radars being quickly repaired.[36] The runway
continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until the end of the war and was
also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA Pucarás.[38] As a
result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist about
the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

...




-- David P

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Yup there is another parked at Southend airport near us. Its no longer
airworthy, but they are allowed to taxi it from time to time.

(last time they did that they got the front wheel off the ground!)


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On 08/06/2014 20:54, Robin wrote:
But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.

Keep your eyes open.

This summer the Canadians are bringing theirs over - so there will be
TWO Lancs flying together for the first time since the 60s.

http://www.warplane.com/lancaster-2014-uk-tour.aspx

Andy
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weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun, and in
the morning, WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.


Awesome indeed. We took our (then) baby son to an airshow at RAF Gaydon
(now the home of Jaguar/Landrover and Aston Martin) in 1975. He screamed
when the Vulcan went over, and I had to put my fingers in his ears!
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Robin wrote:
We had a CCF camp at RAF Waddington in the 1960s when it was home to the
nuclear deterrent Vulcans. One was loud but a flight taking off on one
of the quick-response exercises was awesome. But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.

Living on the flightpath for both Cambridge Airport (home of unusual
maintenance contracts like RAF Tristars) and IWM Duxford, we get rather
spoiled. Last week sitting in the garden it was the Red Arrows in full
display mode, the week before it was the only B17 Flying Fortress in Europe,
doing training circuits around my house.

Theo

In article , Theo Markettos
scribeth thus
Robin wrote:
We had a CCF camp at RAF Waddington in the 1960s when it was home to the
nuclear deterrent Vulcans. One was loud but a flight taking off on one
of the quick-response exercises was awesome. But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.


Living on the flightpath for both Cambridge Airport (home of unusual
maintenance contracts like RAF Tristars) and IWM Duxford, we get rather
spoiled. Last week sitting in the garden it was the Red Arrows in full
display mode, the week before it was the only B17 Flying Fortress in Europe,
doing training circuits around my house.

Theo

Nah!, weren't the 'arraws 'twas this furrin lot;!...

http://www.patrouilledefrance.fr/
--
Tony Sayer

On 08 Jun 2014, Harry Bloomfield
grunted:

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the
fumes from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt
like a an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats
a noise you would never forget.

ITYF they called it a 'squadron' , but God yes. When I was a kid, in the
late 60s me and my Dad were regulars at the annual RAF Finningley air
display, and one of the highlights was the 'Vulcan scramble', when they'd
all take off as if there'd been a 4-minute warning of nuclear attack.
Unbelievable noise; smoke everywhere and the ground shaking beneath your
feet.


--
David

Yes the engines are those which were developed for concorde. I can remember
standing there rather deaf and awe struck as that particular plane took
off with its ring of jets squirting raw fuel into the exhaust and burning it
and making clouds of black smoke, and yes the noise. I think the main reason
that was retired was due to its anti social problems.
I like the way that when something like burning fuel in the exhaust comes
up its not given that name, its called reheat, which is somewhat of an
understatement for such engines. Brian

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"ARW" wrote in message
...
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing
down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an
old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

--
Adam

Actually, no. Stealth only refers to their radar profile. Yes they can
reduce the heat signature to some extent, but they still make a bloody
racket.
Brian

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"Corporal Jones" wrote in message
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On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry


Indeed. Stealth bombers seem to have come on a lot since those days.


michael adams

...

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 22:55:35 +0100, Theo Markettos wrote:

Robin wrote:
We had a CCF camp at RAF Waddington in the 1960s when it was home to
the nuclear deterrent Vulcans. One was loud but a flight taking off on
one of the quick-response exercises was awesome. But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.

Living on the flightpath for both Cambridge Airport (home of unusual
maintenance contracts like RAF Tristars) and IWM Duxford, we get rather
spoiled. Last week sitting in the garden it was the Red Arrows in full
display mode, the week before it was the only B17 Flying Fortress in
Europe,
doing training circuits around my house.

All we got here was lots of Dreamliner test flights last summer. Coming
over at about 2000 feet.

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The engines for the Vulcan were developed long before Concorde was even
thought of. There was one Vulcan which was adapted as a test bed for
Concorde engines, though, One engine on one side of the plane instead of
the usual two. In the same way that there was a Shackelton with a Vulcan
engine underneath the fuselage, flying out of Bitteswell in the 1950s.


In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Yes the engines are those which were developed for concorde. I can
remember standing there rather deaf and awe struck as that particular
plane took off with its ring of jets squirting raw fuel into the exhaust
and burning it and making clouds of black smoke, and yes the noise. I
think the main reason that was retired was due to its anti social
problems. I like the way that when something like burning fuel in the
exhaust comes up its not given that name, its called reheat, which is
somewhat of an understatement for such engines. Brian

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In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

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wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come
in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near
vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one
other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when
the fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

They won that for other reasons.

in 1315784 20140609 001436 Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 22:55:35 +0100, Theo Markettos wrote:

Robin wrote:
We had a CCF camp at RAF Waddington in the 1960s when it was home to
the nuclear deterrent Vulcans. One was loud but a flight taking off on
one of the quick-response exercises was awesome. But not as awesome as
sitting in the rear gunner's turret of the last flying Lancaster.

Living on the flightpath for both Cambridge Airport (home of unusual
maintenance contracts like RAF Tristars) and IWM Duxford, we get rather
spoiled. Last week sitting in the garden it was the Red Arrows in full
display mode, the week before it was the only B17 Flying Fortress in
Europe,
doing training circuits around my house.

All we got here was lots of Dreamliner test flights last summer. Coming
over at about 2000 feet.

You also had BA's A380 training flights last summer.

Lobster wrote:

When I was a kid, in the
late 60s me and my Dad were regulars at the annual RAF Finningley air
display, and one of the highlights was the 'Vulcan scramble', when they'd
all take off as if there'd been a 4-minute warning of nuclear attack.
Unbelievable noise; smoke everywhere and the ground shaking beneath your
feet.

I went to one of those displays, and yes, it was something you
would never forget.

The Lightning doing a low pass and rapid climb was another
highlight.

I have been inside the Vulcan at Newark, and certainly wouldn't
fancy 16 hours travelling backwards in those cramped conditions.

Chris
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come
in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near
vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one
other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

Er. We are building new ones.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway at
RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb directly
over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get past
the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far better.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 8 Jun 2014 19:52:02 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

I remember a cartoon in a book of Falklands military humour (still have
it somewhere):

Argentine soldiers watching a Vulcan drop a bomb on (well, near) the Port
Stanley runway:

"Caramba, Pedro [or some such]: If that's the size of their planes, how
big are their aircraft carriers??"

Didn't the USAF refer to them as "aluminium overcast?.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

harryagain scribbled...



It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

Er. We are building new ones.


One may not be built, if it is, it will be mothballed immediately. The
second might be in service in 6 years time. So we would have been
without a carrier for almost 10 years - they're not exactly vital to our
defence are they?

Going back to the Falklands, we had 2 carriers and they were not used
well. The admiral in charge was a prat. I've read a couple of books by
harrier pilots and none have a good word for Woodward. His ****ups put
pressure on the Navy afterwards.

Dennis Davis wrote in news:ln2f14$87p$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

In article ,

...

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that
one other than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

wiki is as reliable as harry

Possibly, I'd rather trust the book -- Vulcan 607 by Rowland White
-- chronicling the Falklands mission. I found it a very interesting
read.

Don't forget the Vulcan fleet was being wound down and was within a
few months of being scrapped at the time of the Falklands raid. So
it was certainly something of an achievement to bring the fleet back
to operational status and mount the raid.

Also - the in-flight refueling equipment had been removed some years
earlier and the crew that flew the mission had not been trained in re-
fueling until the mission was being prepared.

charles wrote in
:

The engines for the Vulcan were developed long before Concorde was even
thought of. There was one Vulcan which was adapted as a test bed for
Concorde engines, though, One engine on one side of the plane instead of
the usual two. In the same way that there was a Shackelton with a Vulcan
engine underneath the fuselage, flying out of Bitteswell in the 1950s.



Correct.(But I thought the Concorde Engine was under the bomb bay for
flight testing)
The Vulcan and the Victor were also used to carry our nuclear deterrant -
the Blue Steel Missile.
The missile (there were over 50 of them) carried a nuclear warhead. They
were an air launced cruise missile with a guidance system that used valves
(it predated the invention of the transistor)

On 9 Jun 2014 07:03:29 GMT, Huge wrote:

we get rather spoiled.

Not sure I'd like that much noise. We get fast jets through here
close enough to see the pilots at times. They are loud but up, past
and gone in less than a minuet. Chinooks just make the windows
rattle, Black Hawks nervous, having no real requirement to be
streamlined, they just look like the killing machines they are.

Last week sitting in the garden it was the Red Arrows in full
display
mode,

We saw them last week on holiday over Falmouth. Doubly good because we
didn't know it was on. Never seen them do a display live, before. Dead
good, it was.

Meh, it's OK I guess, the skill required is certainly not to be
belittled but I'd like to seem 'em do it pushing the envelope of
Typhoons or Tornados. Trouble is finding somewhere to do it or
keeping sub-sonic. Look at the fuss that is made when an interceptor
Typhoon is given permission to go super-sonic over land. B-)

Few years back three fighter jets had a dog fight over this area, now
that was something to watch and listen to, didn't go super-sonic but
flat out vertical climbs aren't quiet.

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Cheers
Dave.

In article 2, DerbyBorn
wrote:
charles wrote in
:

The engines for the Vulcan were developed long before Concorde was even
thought of. There was one Vulcan which was adapted as a test bed for
Concorde engines, though, One engine on one side of the plane instead
of the usual two. In the same way that there was a Shackelton with a
Vulcan engine underneath the fuselage, flying out of Bitteswell in the
1950s.



Correct.(But I thought the Concorde Engine was under the bomb bay for
flight testing) The Vulcan and the Victor were also used to carry our
nuclear deterrant - the Blue Steel Missile. The missile (there were
over 50 of them) carried a nuclear warhead. They were an air launced
cruise missile with a guidance system that used valves (it predated the
invention of the transistor)

You could be correct about "under the bomb bay", I wasn't sure. But valves
v transisitors, no. Blue Steel's guidance system might have predated the
serious use of the transistor, which were "invented" in 1947. The first
prototype Vulcan flew in 1952. Blue Steel was called for in 1954 and
entered service in 1964.

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