Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing
down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from
it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old
petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

--
Adam

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

"Corporal Jones" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing down the
runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from it's
exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old petrol engine with
a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer holidays near
Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan flew very low overhead, apart
from seeing every detail of it's undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf
eversince.

Barry


Indeed. Stealth bombers seem to have come on a lot since those days.


michael adams

....

Actually, no. Stealth only refers to their radar profile. Yes they can
reduce the heat signature to some extent, but they still make a bloody
racket.
Brian

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"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Corporal Jones" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry


Indeed. Stealth bombers seem to have come on a lot since those days.


michael adams

...

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway at
RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb directly
over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get past
the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far better.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:26:41 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway
at RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb
directly over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get
past the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far
better.

Had a similar experience driving past Manston when they were rehearsing
the air show. I was driving down the road just outside the perimeter -
with the sunroof open.

Then a Harrier did a vertical takeoff just inside the perimeter - the
"sit on its backside and let loose" sort.

I nearly went off the road.



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On 09/06/2014 13:06, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:26:41 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway
at RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb
directly over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get
past the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far
better.

Had a similar experience driving past Manston when they were rehearsing
the air show. I was driving down the road just outside the perimeter -
with the sunroof open.

Then a Harrier did a vertical takeoff just inside the perimeter - the
"sit on its backside and let loose" sort.

I nearly went off the road.

One of the most impressive (and in some ways scary) things I ever saw
was a harrier at one of the Southend air shows about 20 years ago. If
did a couple of fly pasts, and then did a third one slower and slower
until finally coming to a "stop" in front of the main crowd. It was
flying at about 50' and hence was below most of the audience standing on
the Westcliff "cliffs". It then did its normal side to side, nodding,
and backwards flying displays. Before finally starting to ascended with
the planes attitude level to start, but slowing rotating toward the nose
up vertical - all the time gaining vertical speed until it is on full
afterburner, flying straight up, until it vanished through the cloud
base. Awesome display of power and control.

The scary bit (aside from the incredible body shaking noise) was it did
its display over the water - the tide was in. There was a couple of dozy
muppets in a rowing boat that thought it might be a good idea to get
under the plane and so rowed out into its jet thrust which you could see
whipping up the surface of the water. Obviously they then suddenly
realised it was really not a very good idea at all, and were trying like
mad to get out of the way, but by this time the side to side and forward
/ backward part of the demo was taking place. The thrust was basicically
playing a game of tiddlywinks with them - skitting the boat first one
way then the other - I was amazed it did not sink or get capsized under
the shear force being excreted on it.


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Rather unfortunate spelling mistake there!

Syke


On 09/06/2014 16:27, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/06/2014 13:06, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:26:41 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway
at RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb
directly over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get
past the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far
better.

Had a similar experience driving past Manston when they were rehearsing
the air show. I was driving down the road just outside the perimeter -
with the sunroof open.

Then a Harrier did a vertical takeoff just inside the perimeter - the
"sit on its backside and let loose" sort.

I nearly went off the road.

One of the most impressive (and in some ways scary) things I ever saw
was a harrier at one of the Southend air shows about 20 years ago. If
did a couple of fly pasts, and then did a third one slower and slower
until finally coming to a "stop" in front of the main crowd. It was
flying at about 50' and hence was below most of the audience standing on
the Westcliff "cliffs". It then did its normal side to side, nodding,
and backwards flying displays. Before finally starting to ascended with
the planes attitude level to start, but slowing rotating toward the nose
up vertical - all the time gaining vertical speed until it is on full
afterburner, flying straight up, until it vanished through the cloud
base. Awesome display of power and control.

The scary bit (aside from the incredible body shaking noise) was it did
its display over the water - the tide was in. There was a couple of dozy
muppets in a rowing boat that thought it might be a good idea to get
under the plane and so rowed out into its jet thrust which you could see
whipping up the surface of the water. Obviously they then suddenly
realised it was really not a very good idea at all, and were trying like
mad to get out of the way, but by this time the side to side and forward
/ backward part of the demo was taking place. The thrust was basicically
playing a game of tiddlywinks with them - skitting the boat first one
way then the other - I was amazed it did not sink or get capsized under
the shear force being excreted on it.

On 09/06/2014 16:27, John Rumm wrote:
One of the most impressive (and in some ways scary) things I ever saw
was a harrier at one of the Southend air shows about 20 years ago. If
did a couple of fly pasts, and then did a third one slower and slower
until finally coming to a "stop" in front of the main crowd. It was
flying at about 50' and hence was below most of the audience standing on
the Westcliff "cliffs". It then did its normal side to side, nodding,
and backwards flying displays. Before finally starting to ascended with
the planes attitude level to start, but slowing rotating toward the nose
up vertical - all the time gaining vertical speed until it is on full
afterburner, flying straight up, until it vanished through the cloud
base. Awesome display of power and control.

Harriers don't have afterburners.

On another note...

I was at Farnborough one year. There were two things which particularly
stick: One was that they sat a Tornado on the end of the runway. lit
the afterburner, set the brakes on full, and gave it as much throttle as
they could without it moving. Everyone was watching it, and no-one saw
the other 4 coming the other way down the runway at 0.8...

And Brian Trubshaw, Concorde chief pilot IIRC, brought one empty over
from Heathrow, did a touch and go, then did his damnedest to to a
fighter full-afterburner-vertical-climb. He got quite steep!

Andy

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:26:41 +0100, PeterC wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:23:23 +0100, Corporal Jones wrote:

On 08/06/2014 19:08, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

When I was a lad I used to stay at my Uncles farm during the summer
holidays near Retford, one day whilst combining in the field a Vulcan
flew very low overhead, apart from seeing every detail of it's
undercarrage I think I have been somewhat deaf eversince.

Barry

Same here - but a different 'plane: cycling past the end of the runway
at RAF Upper Heyford, a Merkinjet took off and went into full climb
directly over me.
For some daft 'reason', when I saw/heard it approaching I tried to get
past the runway - stopping and covering my ears would have been far
better.

Had a similar experience driving past Manston when they were rehearsing
the air show. I was driving down the road just outside the perimeter -
with the sunroof open.

Then a Harrier did a vertical takeoff just inside the perimeter - the
"sit on its backside and let loose" sort.

I nearly went off the road.


Sometimes the RAF practice dogfights next to Filey Brig. That's a
worthwhile free show.

--
Adam

On 06/08/2014 07:08 PM, ARW wrote:
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Fantastic effort by those attempting to keep it flying - I use to chip
in - but I fear it's just too expensive to keep it going for much
longer. As you say though, an awesome plane.

Andy C

On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?



--
David P

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(



--
Adam

In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


wiki is as reliable as harry

--
Adam

In article ,

....

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that
one other than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

wiki is as reliable as harry

Possibly, I'd rather trust the book -- Vulcan 607 by Rowland White
-- chronicling the Falklands mission. I found it a very interesting
read.

Don't forget the Vulcan fleet was being wound down and was within a
few months of being scrapped at the time of the Falklands raid. So
it was certainly something of an achievement to bring the fleet back
to operational status and mount the raid.
--
Dennis Davis

charles scribbled...


In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

"Jabba" wrote in message
ldhosting.com...
charles scribbled...


In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come
in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near
vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one
other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when
the fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

They won that for other reasons.

"Jabba" wrote in message
ldhosting.com...
charles scribbled...


In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come
in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near
vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that one
other
than for moral purposes:-(

not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"


It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

Er. We are building new ones.

On 09/06/2014 06:51, Jabba wrote:

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.


They are building some proper aircraft carriers ATM, not the tidily
helicopter carriers we have just scrapped.

On 09/06/2014 10:48, Tim Streater wrote:
In article
sting.com, Jabba
wrote:

charles scribbled...

In article , ARW
wrote:
"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to
come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they
puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near
vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?
It was one of their missions - and they totally failed in that
one other
than for moral purposes:-(
not quite true. Read the wiki page on "Operation Black Buck"

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any
carriers now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

Well we do have a carrier, but it only carries choppers, no fast jets.
That was the mistake - selling the remaining harriers to the Yanks.

AIUI, there was also some chance that the Argies, having seen that we
could mount a bombing raid from 8000 miles away, became nervous that we
might attack Buenos Ares, and so held some of their fighter-bombers up
north just in case.

The Argies made any number of fatal strategic mistakes - mostly not
fully committing to the engagement, flying some of their best aircraft
to neutral countries so they were impounded etc, rather than lost in
dogfights, and telling their pilots not to engage with the harriers.
(Even if they had lost aircraft at a 5:1 ratio, they could have won
simply by attrition).



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On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:52:07 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article sting.com,
Jabba wrote:

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any
carriers now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

It's more important for Britain to have a Navy - with carriers - almost
than anything else, defence-wise.

looks sceptical

But, regardless of anything else, did you listen to R4's History of the
Royal Navy?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046czzn

Tim Streater scribbled...


In article
sting.com, Jabba
wrote:

It cost over a £1million for every bomb that hit the runway, when the
fleet had the same bombs available for their aircraft, which were
several thousand miles closer to the target. The operation was
performed to wind up the RN, in an attempt to prove that aircraft
carriers have no use. Looks like they won as we don't have any carriers
now and all the aircraft the navy used have been scrapped.

It's more important for Britain to have a Navy - with carriers - almost
than anything else, defence-wise.


Only if we keep on going to war.

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/
Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled the
stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them - fabulous
planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I misremembered
that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK, three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled
8 times in flight by a fleet of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which
themselves had to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km) and
16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged bombing raids in history
at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the Royal Air
Force[7]
because the British armed forces had been cut in the late seventies and the RAF may have
desired a greater role in the conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this day with some
independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the damage to the airfield and radars
being quickly repaired.[36] The runway continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until
the end of the war and was also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA
Pucarás.[38] As a result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist
about the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

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"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK,

No, from Ascension Island


three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled 8 times in flight by a fleet
of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which themselves had
to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km)
and 16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged
bombing raids in history at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the
Royal Air Force[7] because the British armed forces had been cut in the
late seventies and the RAF may have desired a greater role in the
conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this
day with some independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the
damage to the airfield and radars being quickly repaired.[36] The runway
continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until the end of the war and was
also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA Pucarás.[38] As a
result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist about
the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

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In article , michael adams
wrote:

"David P" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ Awesome - but totally OT.

many years ago I worked in Pontefract and the Vulcan's used to come in
low over the town using the bus staion as a marker. Then they puled
the stick back and pushed the throttle hard forward for a near vertical
climb.

I still get the shivers down my spine just thinking about them -
fabulous planes.

Wasn't their last active flying to the Falklands or have I
misremembered that?

For each operation flying direct from the UK,

No, from Ascension Island


Yup, that being the black line on the map with the 6,300 km on it.




three 22 yr old Vulcans had to be refuelled 8 times in flight by a fleet
of Victor tankers based on Ascension Island some of which themselves had
to be refuelled in flight. "At almost 6,800 nautical miles (12,600 km)
and 16 hours for the return journey, these were the longest-ranged
bombing raids in history at that time."

quote

It has been suggested that the Black Buck raids were pressed home by the
Royal Air Force[7] because the British armed forces had been cut in the
late seventies and the RAF may have desired a greater role in the
conflict to prevent further cuts.[8]

[...]

The military effectiveness of Black Buck remains controversial to this
day with some independent sources describing it as minimal,[35] the
damage to the airfield and radars being quickly repaired.[36] The runway
continued to be used by Argentine C-130s until the end of the war and was
also available for Aermacchi MB-339 jets[37] and FMA Pucarás.[38] As a
result of the controversy a number of common misconceptions exist about
the raid.

/quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck


michael adams

...




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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.

"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.


I know, and it landed back in Doncaster at around 16:57.

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"ARW" wrote in news:ln2bqf$ph0$1@dont-
email.me:

"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:08:21 +0100, ARW wrote:

Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

It's been at Welshpool airshow today.


I know, and it landed back in Doncaster at around 16:57.


An awesome project. To restore a complex 4 engined military aircraft that
uses obsolete electrics, etc and to get it approved by the CIVIL Aviation
Authorities is hell of an achievement. The fund raising has been done
imaginatively and professionally.

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just taxiing
down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes from
it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a an old
petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats
a noise you would never forget.

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On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 20:44:11 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the fumes
from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt like a
an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats a
noise you would never forget.

I remember a cartoon in a book of Falklands military humour (still have
it somewhere):

Argentine soldiers watching a Vulcan drop a bomb on (well, near) the Port
Stanley runway:

"Caramba, Pedro [or some such]: If that's the size of their planes, how
big are their aircraft carriers??"



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On 8 Jun 2014 19:52:02 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

I remember a cartoon in a book of Falklands military humour (still have
it somewhere):

Argentine soldiers watching a Vulcan drop a bomb on (well, near) the Port
Stanley runway:

"Caramba, Pedro [or some such]: If that's the size of their planes, how
big are their aircraft carriers??"

Didn't the USAF refer to them as "aluminium overcast?.
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No, I think was the B-36.

Regards

Syke

On 09/06/2014 08:29, PeterC wrote:
On 8 Jun 2014 19:52:02 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

I remember a cartoon in a book of Falklands military humour (still have
it somewhere):

Argentine soldiers watching a Vulcan drop a bomb on (well, near) the Port
Stanley runway:

"Caramba, Pedro [or some such]: If that's the size of their planes, how
big are their aircraft carriers??"

Didn't the USAF refer to them as "aluminium overcast?.

On 09/06/2014 08:29, PeterC wrote:
Didn't the USAF refer to them as "aluminium overcast?.

That's a B17.

http://www.johnweeks.com/b17active/b17eaa.html

Andy

On 08 Jun 2014, Harry Bloomfield
grunted:

ARW expressed precisely :
Today I was working at Finningley the home of this

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

Just after 3pm it it went into the sky.

The first thing you notice is the noise. It makes more noise just
taxiing down the runway than a commercial jet makes on lift off!

It then flew towards the house (the floor vibrated) and blew the
fumes from it's exhaust into the house as it made it's turn. It smelt
like a an old petrol engine with a manual choke that was too far out.

Awesome - but totally OT.

Whilst working there, I witnessed the entire fleet take off, now thats
a noise you would never forget.

ITYF they called it a 'squadron' , but God yes. When I was a kid, in the
late 60s me and my Dad were regulars at the annual RAF Finningley air
display, and one of the highlights was the 'Vulcan scramble', when they'd
all take off as if there'd been a 4-minute warning of nuclear attack.
Unbelievable noise; smoke everywhere and the ground shaking beneath your
feet.


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Lobster wrote:

When I was a kid, in the
late 60s me and my Dad were regulars at the annual RAF Finningley air
display, and one of the highlights was the 'Vulcan scramble', when they'd
all take off as if there'd been a 4-minute warning of nuclear attack.
Unbelievable noise; smoke everywhere and the ground shaking beneath your
feet.

I went to one of those displays, and yes, it was something you
would never forget.

The Lightning doing a low pass and rapid climb was another
highlight.

I have been inside the Vulcan at Newark, and certainly wouldn't
fancy 16 hours travelling backwards in those cramped conditions.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

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The Lightning doing a low pass and rapid climb was another
highlight.


Back in the late 70s, I visited Binbrook, and was able to watch a couple
of Lightnings take off at dusk. Got them rolling down the runway, then
hit the after burners, two big balls of flame travelling away from me at
great speed. Fantastic sight.


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On 2014-06-09, Adrian wrote:
In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
The Lightning doing a low pass and rapid climb was another
highlight.


Back in the late 70s, I visited Binbrook, and was able to watch a couple
of Lightnings take off at dusk. Got them rolling down the runway, then
hit the after burners, two big balls of flame travelling away from me at
great speed. Fantastic sight.

I used to fly to Copenhagen every Wednesday morning from Heathrow and more
often than not the aircraft in front of us was the morning Concord flight
to Washington. When he opened the taps for takeoff, everything in our
aircraft rattled & on a couple of occasions some of the overhead lockers
fell open. As he accelerated away down the runway you could see two things,
one impressive - into the exhausts of the engines, the mouth of Hell, one
less so - the huge plume of filth the thing chucked out the back.


Fantastic plane. Flew back from Monaco Grand Prix from Nice - just
before it crashed. Same pilot.

Taking off was like riding down the runway on a rocket.
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In message , Huge
writes
On 2014-06-09, Adrian wrote:
In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
The Lightning doing a low pass and rapid climb was another
highlight.


Back in the late 70s, I visited Binbrook, and was able to watch a couple
of Lightnings take off at dusk. Got them rolling down the runway, then
hit the after burners, two big balls of flame travelling away from me at
great speed. Fantastic sight.

I used to fly to Copenhagen every Wednesday morning from Heathrow and more
often than not the aircraft in front of us was the morning Concord flight
to Washington. When he opened the taps for takeoff, everything in our
aircraft rattled & on a couple of occasions some of the overhead lockers
fell open. As he accelerated away down the runway you could see two things,
one impressive - into the exhausts of the engines, the mouth of Hell, one
less so - the huge plume of filth the thing chucked out the back.



Ah yes, Concorde taking off. Follow the line of the runways west from
Heathrow, and just past the M25 you will find the Queen Mother
reservoir, home to Datchet Water Sailing Club. You didn't want to be
sailing on the south end of the pond when Concorde took off, the whole
boat would shake.


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On 9 Jun 2014 20:27:06 GMT, Huge wrote:



I used to fly to Copenhagen every Wednesday morning from Heathrow and more
often than not the aircraft in front of us was the morning Concord flight
to Washington. When he opened the taps for takeoff, everything in our
aircraft rattled & on a couple of occasions some of the overhead lockers
fell open. As he accelerated away down the runway you could see two things,
one impressive - into the exhausts of the engines, the mouth of Hell, one
less so - the huge plume of filth the thing chucked out the back.

North Devon where I have spent a lot of time used to get quite a thump
from the Sonic boom as some of the services westbound passed by out
to sea. It wasn't a direct bang but distant a boom like faraway
thunder, enough to rattle the odd window disturb pheasants and make
some grockles jump. It became part of the background noise like
distant church bells and was a useful peg that marked the passing of
the day.
Boom," ah there goes the 18.30 must be time for tea" sort of thing.
Now as much a lost sound of the past as copper phone wires humming in
the wind
One perfectly cloudless spring day I remember observing the early
evening flight from london to JFK while lying against a rock on Lundy
Island with a pair of decent binoculars, The afterburner glow was
easily seen as it accelerated 1000's of feet above the Bristol
channel.


G.Harman